Note to readers: please ignore the part where the teachers could not make the fold-over join instructions work. They *do* work. See revised paragraph in Lesson 3. We will discuss in class for Lesson 4. --mid 4/2/06. ----- Session Start: Wed Mar 29 17:51:42 2006 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat nice to meet you Good evening all, sorry I'm a bit late. is this your first time in class? hi mimi Hi Mimi Hi Mimi 12I have been in the international classroom before, but I usually work at night and miss teh class ok nice to have you with us this time :) Glad you could make it this evening Nicole. mimi there may be 2 new students soon too.... asked for the address when they saw me working on an exchange for wally That's great, next set of lessons starts in a few weeks (time flies) no doubt 12thanks - has the class started, or are we just chatting? just chatting until 9 though if you have questions you can ask any time by the way mimi i finished lesson 4 this morning it us up and ready as well as a page with links for the class to look at for extra help/practice 12i noticed that lesson 4 is titled lesson 3 ugh...... there would be something i forgot lol thanks nicole i will fix that lol Thanks Anita! I saw around noon my time and sent you a note. 12sorry to be the pest - I was excited to have time to look at it and get it printed to practice So Nicole, are you learning shuttle tatting, needle tatting, or both? dont worry about that nicole.... i am glad you pointed it out 12shuttle tatting for now, then maybe i'll try needle 12I did not see instructions for doing the "mock picot" for the rosette, did I miss something? It's in the pattern - in the 4th paragraph just under the pattern for the first ring Its name is longer than the process to make it (mock picot that is) OK, MY CLOCK ON THE WALL SAYS 6PM (9 PM EASTERN). LET'S ALL SIGN IN AND GET STARTED! MIMI DILLMAN, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, SNOHOMISH, WA USA anita hobden, ahobden@hotmail.com, london ontario Carmen - Lima - Peru carlat@viabcp.com 12nicole simons naturalnails_ut@yahoo.com, Woods Cross, UT Cecilia Hobbs hobbsca@sbcglobal.net houston texas THANKS ALL! THANK YOU ANITA FOR THE LOVELY WRITE UP ON MY CANDY CANE VISION YOURS LOOKS GREAT DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE HER PROCESS TO MAKE IT? it worked out fairly easily http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/candycane.html AND LINKED FROM THE LESSON 2 PAGE WOULD YOU LIKE TO DESCRIBE, ANITA? It's great! Would love to know the pattern. 12IF ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER LINKS THEY FIND USEFULE PLEASE EMAIL ME 12FOR THOSE THAT WERE HERE LAST WEEK 12YOU WILL REMEMBER WE SAID THAT THE SLT WOULD MOVE YOUR 12COLORS IN THE RIGHT PLACE WHEN NEEDLE TATTING 12NORMALLY YOU WOULD DO A SLT AFTER EVERY ELEMENT IN A PATTER (NEEDLE TATTERS ONLY) 12IN THIS CASE WE SKIPPED EVERY SECOND ONE SO THE CH AND R WERE THE SAME COLOR 12THIS ALLOWS US TO GET THE STRIPED AFFECT 12IS EVERYONE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND MY NOTES BESIDE MY SCANS? 12IF THERE IS ANY QUESTION, OR IF THERE IS NOT ENOUGH DETAIL I CAN ADD A FEW MORE SCANS.... 12OK MIMI THESE LADIES ARE TOO QUIET 12PLEASE TALK TO US LADIES.... WE CAN ONLY HELP IF WE KNOW WHAT YOU NEED FROM US YES THEY ARE! IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, MAYBE WE CAN MOVE TO LESSON 3? http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson3.html DID YOU ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS LESSON FOR TONIGHT? I KNOW NICOLE READ IT, HOW ABOUT CARMEN AND CECILIA? Yes, I read and printed it our for reference. ;-) Yes, I did. But I missed the candy info 09I have been looking at the candy cane- is the pattern the same for shuttle? 12IT IS IN THE LINKS IN LESSON 2 NOW CANDY CANE IS EASIER FOR SHUTTLE TATTERS TO UNDERSTAND NEEDLE TATTERS HAD DIFFICULTY BECUASE THEY USE SLT ALL THE TIME SO THE USE OF SLT TO CONTROL COLOR WAS A NOVEL CONCEPT 12LOL YUP SHUTTLE TATTING THE CANDY CANE WILL BE EASIER YOU START THE SAME - TIE 2 SHUTTLE THREADS TOGETHER. MAKE A RING WITH RED AND RW OOOPS, LOOK, THE WHITE THREAD IS IN THE WRONG SPPOT! OOPS, AHEAD OF MYSELF LOL 12LOL NO, NOT (SORRY HEADACHE) 12ROFL THE RED THREAD IS IN THE WRONG SPOT AFTER THE NECESSARY FW RW I MEANT RW SO, IN ORDER TO MAKE A RED CHAIN, YOU WILL HAVE TO SWAP THE WHITE AND RED THREADS THE SWAP IS DONE BY SLT. AFTER THE RED CHAIN, YOU CAN RW AND MAKE THE WHITE RING WITHOUT SLT. BUT TO MAKE THE WHITE CHAIN, YOU WILL NEED TO SLT AFTER YOU RW. MAKE SENSE? 09sounds pretty easy - maybe if I start now, I will have enough for Christmas :) 12THEY ARE NOT THAT BAD NICOLE 12MAKE UP IN A FEW MIN 09no --- I am just that busy 12LOL NOT GOOD AND ONE LAST QUESTION ANITA ON THE CANDY CANE I NOTICED YOU WERE MAKING TRUE RINGS WITH THE NEEDLE? 12THOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE ME RIGHT NOW 12YES WHY TRUE RINGS? ANY HELP TO THOSE INSTEAD OF STANDARD ONES? 12I JUST LIKE THE LOOK OF THEM BETTER IF I CAN START WITH A LONG ENOUGH THREAD TO DO IT 12NORMALLY WITH LARGER PROJECTS THOUGH IT IS TOO HARD 12CAN ONLY WORK WITH SO MUCH AT A TIME OK, I SEE, THANKS SHALL WE GO ON TO LESSON 3 THEN? http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson3.html 12LOOKS GOOD WE HAVE AN ACTION-PACKED LINEUP OF TATTING ACTIONS TODAY. I STARTED WITH JOINS CECILIA POINTED OUT IT MIGHT BE A BIT SKEWED TOWARDS HOW SHUTTLE TATTERS DO THEIR JOINS SORRY ABOUT THAT... BUT THAT'S MOSTLY HOW I TAT, WITH THE SHUTTLE. PLUS, SHUTTLE TATTERS WILL HAVE A MORE DIFFICULT TIME WITH JOINS THEY RARELY MAKE PICOTS BIG ENOUGH TO FIT THE SHUTTLE THROUGH!! SO INSTEAD, THEY HAVE TO PULL A LOOP OF THREAD THROUGH THE PICOT, THEN PULL THE SHUTTLE THROUGH. 09the whole shuttle? not just the hook? 12CECILLIA..... NEEDLE TATTERS NORMALLY DONT HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN OUR COMON JOIN ANYWAY I'M TEASING, NICOLE. I HAVE ONLY SEEN A FEW PICOTS LARGE ENOUGH FOR A SHUTTLE, AND THOSE WERE DECORATIVE ONLY 12OTHER THAN DOING JOINS IN TIGHT SPACES OF COURSE WE USE A HOOK (OR SHUTTLE PICK) TO PULL UP A THREAD LOOP THROUGH THE PICOT TO MAKE THE JOIN. I have been proactic ing the joins but I still get stuck with the last picot twisting THE FOLD-OVER PICOT IS INDEED ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT, CECILIA. Crochet hook I'M RATHER SURPRISED, THOUGH, THAT YOU HAVE MUCH TROUBLE WITH IT WITH THE NEEDLE. I WOULD PULL MY NEEDLE THROUGH THE RING MADE UP TO THAT POINT, LAY MY WORK FLAT, PASS THE NEEDLE, SNUG IT ALL UP, THEN CAST ON THE STITCHES FOR THE LAST JOIN. MAYBE THAT WOULDN'T WORK? ANITA? CAN YOU BAIL ME OUT HERE LOL? 12CECILIA ADRE YOU LOOKING AT A SMALL MOTIF (A BUTTERFLY) OR LARGER LIKE A DOILY? In a tight ring of six rings, joing the picot from ring six to ring one gets twisted 12OK MIMI WERE YOU GOING TO GO OVER THE FOLD-OVER JOIN? (NOT SURE THAT IS WHAT IT IS CALLED, BUT WHERE YOU FOLD THE MOTIF?) RIGHT, THAT'S THE ONE FOR THE CENTER OF THE ROUND-ROBIN DOILY 12CECILIA HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE DIAGRAMS SHOWN IN THIS LESSON? TAMMY'S INSTRUCTIONS LOOK QUITE CLEAR. DID YOU FIND A PROBLEM WITH IT? 12http://www.georgiaseitz.com/newtat/join1.gif THE IDEA IS TO FOLD THE WORK SO THAT THE PICOT TO BE JOINED IS ACCESSIBLE IN A MORE FAMILIAR POSITION OOP I THINK I SEE THE DIFFICULTY 12AS NOTED IN THE DIAGRAMS THOUGH, MAKE SURE YOU FOLD IT BACK NOT FORWARD!!!! 12THAT WILL MIX YOU UP TOO IF YOUR WORK IS FOLDED, YOU WILL HAVE TO INSERT YOUR HOOK FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE, RIGHT? AND TWIST THE PICOT OVER BEFORE GRABBING THE THREAD? 12YES 12JUST REALIZED THE PIC DOESNT SHOW THAT 12 :( 12OPPS SO YES, THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH TAMMY'S DIAGRAM, VERY SORRY WE'LL ASK IF SHE'S WILLING TO UPDATE IT, OTHERWISE MAKE OUR OWN. 12IT LOOKS STRANGE THAT YOU ARE WANTING TO TWIST IT AT FIRST BUT IT WORKS THAT WAY THIS JOIN IS NOT VERY COMMON, NOT LIKE IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF OLD WHEN THEY ONLY HAD RINGS 12HONEST NOW HTAT WE HAVE CHAINS AND OTHER PRETTY ELEMENTS, THESE KINDS OF FLOWERETTES ARE NOT USED AS MUCH SO PLEASE FORGIVE US FOR NOT NOTICING THE PROPER TWISTING MOTION FOR THE PICOT :) 12CECILIA DOES THAT HELP? But I just can't get that needle to bend when I wanted to make that join ;-) 12OR AT LEAST MAKE SENSE? 12UGH.... NOW I SEE THE PROBLEM.... I BELIEVE ONE MUST TWIST THE PICOT COUNTERCLOCKWISE WHEN JOINING WITH THE WORK FOLDED UNDER 12GIRL YOU HAVE TO LEAR TO CHEAT LOL I' practice with the twist now. WHEN YOU UNFOLD THE WORK, THE JOIN SHOULD LAY FLAT, NOT BE DOUBLY TWISTED :) 12I HAVE HAD SPOTS ON MOTIFS WHERE I WILL PULL MY THREAD THROUGH PART WAY SO I HAVE ROOM TO MOVE FOR THE JOIN ANYWAY, MAYBE ITS BEST WE PRACTICE ON A MORE COMMON JOIN, THE LOCK JOIN. 12THAT IS ANOTHER REASON I USE SCMR ALOT WHEN NEEDLE TATTING SHUTTLE TATTERS ALSO CALL IT THE "SHUTTLE JOIN" OR "SHUTTLE LOCK JOIN" GOOD POINT ANITA LOCK JOIN IS A VERY NECESSARY MANEUVER FOR SHUTTLE TATTERS IT'S ACTUALLY VERY RARE FOR NEEDLE TATTERS. 09which pattern demonstrated the lock CLASSIC ROSETTE AND 2ND ROUND OF ROUND ROBIN CENTER SHUTTLE TATTERS NEED LJ WHENEVER THEY FIND THAT THE CURRENT WORK IS *ABOVE* THE PREVIOUS WORK TO WHICH THEY NEED TO JOIN MEANING: THE SHUTTEL THREAD IS CLOSER TO THE PICOT THAN THE BALL THREAD BECAUSE NORMALLY ONE PULLS THE CLOSEST THREAD TO THE PICOT INTO THE PICOT FOR THE JOIN 12WHICH HAPPENS ALOT BUT WHEN THE PICOT IS BELOW, IT'S THE SHUTTLE THREAD THAT'S CLOSEST OF COURSE, ONE CAN ONLY DO LJ WITH CHAINS OTHERWISE YOUR RINGS WOULD NEVER CLOSE!! NEEDLE TATTERS, THOUGH, WILL FIND VALUE IN THE LJ IN SITUATIONS LIKE THE CLASSIC ROSETTE, OR THE CHAIN-AFTER-CHAIN WORK THAT WAS SHOWN IN THE SHUTTLE JOIN LESSON http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/joins.html THE LOCK JOIN WILL HELP NEEDLE TATTERS BETTER TENSION THEIR WORK THE LJ HOLDS THE PREVIOUS WORK IN PLACE THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO TENSION UP THE CHAIN *BEFORE* YOU MAKE THE LJ! BUT BY HAVING LOCKED THE PREVIOUS CHAIN IN PLACE, YOU DO NOT PULL IT OUT OF ALIGNMENT WHEN TENSIONING FUTURE CHAINS DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THE ACTUAL MAKING OF THE LJ IS SIMPLE, BUT ONE MUST DO IT CAREFULLY IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDO 12LESSON 4 IS NOW FIXED...... (IS NO LONGER TITLED LESSON 3) :) ONE PULLS A LOOP OF THE SHUTTLE THREAD/NEEDLE THREAD THROUGH THE PICOT 09thanks THEN PASSES THE SHUTTLE/NEEDLE THROUGH THAT LOOP THEN ONE CAREFULLY TIGHTENS THE KNOT, TAKING CARE NOT TO LEAVE A BARE THREAD THAT WOULD BE - GASP - GAPSOSIS! WHAT I DO TO KEEP CONTROL IS PLACE THE END OF THE CHAIN RIGHT NEXT TO THE PICOT WITH THE LJ 09I guess I really need to be doing this to fully understand the explanation. THEN PULL UP THE LOOP SO THAT THERE IS NO THREAD GAP BEFORE THE PICOT AND JOIN IT HELPS, NICOLE THEN I CAN PULL ON MY SHUTTLE UNTIL THE LOOP GETS PULLED IN AND THE KNOT IS COMPLETE I USUALLY DO THE FINAL TIGHTENING BY PULLING THE SHUTTLE THREAD TO MY LEFT, TOWARD THE CHAIN I JUST MADE GEORGIA ONCE POINTED OUT THAT THIS TAKES AWAY ANY LAST BARE THREAD THAT MIGHT SHOW IT HAS WORKED FOR ME ANYWAY DID EVERYONE LOOK AT THE CLASSIC ROSETTE PATTERN, AND MAYBE GIVE IT A TRY? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/springideas.html WITHOUT BEADS OF COURSE THESE ARE ACTUALLY VERY QUICK TO MAKE. 12BEADS ARE NEXT WEEK :) AND IT ONLY TAKES A FEW TRIES AT THAT LOCK JOIN, AND IT COMES VERY EASILY AND AS NICOLE POINTED OUT, THE MOCK PICOT IDEA IS A LITTLE BIT HIDDEN. 09I still havent figured it out THIS IS OUR FIRST "CLIMBING OUT" TECHNIQUE - ALLOWS YOU TO TRAVEL FROM ONE ROUND TO THE NEXT WIHTOUT ACUTALLY CUTTING OFF THREADS AND CREATING MORE THREAD ENDS RATHER LIKE CROCHETERS NEFVER HAVE TO CUT THEIR THREAD TO GO TO THE NEXT ROUND (ANYONE HERE CROCHET?) 09i hate hiding ends - so this is great 09i also crochet and knit ONE MAKES THE MOCK PICOT AFTER A RING OR CHAIN TO MAKE IT, YOU LEAVE ENOUGH BARE THREAD ON BOTH THE SHUTTLE THREAD AND BALL THREAD TO LOOK JUST LIKE A PICOT - SAME SIZE AS THE OTHER PICOTS ON THE RING, I MEAN ONE CLOSES THE PICOT WITH A LOCK STITCH - THAT'S PROBABLY THE PART THAT CONFUSED YOU NICOLE, WE NEVER INTRODUCED LOCK STIT LOCK STITCH - FLIPPED 1ST HALF OF A STITCH, 2ND HALF *NOT* FLIPPED THAT STOPS THE THREADS IN THEIR TRACKS - NO SLIDING ANITA, HOW WOULD YOU DO THE LS WITH A NEEDLE? WEAVER'S KNOT WITH THE BALL THREAD? 12I WOULD USE A WEAVER KNOT 12EASIEST TO HIDE IN THE WORK SO IT WOULD NOT BE NOTICABLE OK WEAVER'S KNOT BETWEEN TEH NEEDLE AND BALL THREAD ENOUGH DISTANCE FROM THE RING TO LOOK LIKE A PICOT 09oh- I see it now - thank you. THE BARE THREADS LOOK LIKE A PICOT I MEAN IT'S MORE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN THAN DO, HONEST AND IF YOU'D EVER HAD TO HIDE 2 THREAD ENDS IN A SINGLE RING OVER AND OVER, YOU'D FIGURE THIS OUT PRETTY QUICK ANYWAY I'M SURE ;)) SO PLEASE KEEP THE MOCK PICOT HANDY AS A TOOL WE'LL LEARN ANOTHER TOOL NEXT WEEK MEANTIME, FOR THE CLASSIC ROSETTE, THE WORK IS BASICALLY RING - MOCK PICOT CLIMB OUT TO ROUNDS AND ROUNDS OF CHAINS EACH CHAIN GETS SNUGGED UP AND THEN A LOCK JOIN IS MADE TO THE NEXT PICOT ON THE ROUND BELOW AROUND AND AROUND YOU GO! HAVE FUN WITH THE CLASSIC ROSETTE I HAVE A FRIEND WHO MAKES THEM VERY HAIRY/FRILLY BY PUTTING LOTS OF PICOTS ON EACH CHAIN SHE VARIES THE LENGTHS A LITTLE AND THE EFFECT IS ALMOST LIKE A SHAG RUG, ONLY PRETTIER. I'LL GET THE LINK IN A MINUTE 12LIKE A CARNATION LOL http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/mimi/violets.htm Melanie did them in purple, so we called them violets :) 12MAN I HAD TO THINK TO GET THAT FLOWER NAME LOL.... COULD PICTURE IT EASY THOUGH OK MIMI, BACK ON TRACK IF YOU WANT TO FINISH IN 15 MINS Anita,have you checked Mary's roses link I have sent it to you? IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS ON LOCK JOINS AND MOCK PICOTS, I'LL GO TO RINGS OFF CHAINS, SOMETIMES CALLED FLOATING RINGS 09the violets are pretty. 12YES CARMEN IT IS ON THE PAGE OF EXTRA LINKS FLOATING RINGS ARE THE KIND OF THING YOU MAY HAVE TO MAKE WITH SHUTTLE/NEEDLE IN HAND BASICALLY, THE CHAIN IS INTERRUPTED TO THROW OFF A CHAIN USING THE THREAD THAT WAS FORMING THE STITCHES NOT THE CORE THREAD, AS WE HAVE BEEN DOING NEEDLE TATTERS WILL HAVE TO SLIDE THE HALF-MADE CHAIN OFF THEIR NEEDLE THEN THREAD UP THE BALL THREAD ONTO THE NEEDLE AND MAKE A RING WITH WHAT WAS THE BALL THREAD (TRUE RING HERE LADIES) THEN YOU TAKE THE NEEDLE OFF THE BALL THREAD AND PUT IT BACK ON THE CORE THREAD (PREVIOUS NEEDLE THREAD) AND CONTINUE IWTH THE CHAIN THE CORE OF THE CHAIN WILL BE UNITERRUPTED 12HMMMM SHESH.... MADE THE PAGE.... LINK WILL BE ON THE CLASS MAIN PAGE IN A MIN SHUTTLE TATTERS HAVE TO HAVE 2 SHUTTLES IN USE TO MAKE FLOATING RINGS ONE SHUTTLE ACTS LIKE THE BALL UNTIL IT'S TIME TO MAKE A FLOATING RING. SO THEN ONE STARTS THE CHAIN AS USUAL UP UNTIL THE PLACE TO THROW OFF THE FLOATING RING YOU TAKE THE BALL SHUTTLE THREAD OFF YOUR LEFT HAND, AND USE IT TO MAKE A RING. BOTH SHUTTLE AND NEEDLE TATTERS NEED TO MAKE SURE TO MAKE THIS RING AS CLOSE TO THE PREVIOUS CHAIN AS POSSIBLE YES, YET ANOTHER POSSIBLE SPOT FOR GAPSOSIS AFTER CLOSING THE RING, YOU PUT THIS SHUTTLE'S THREAD BACK OVER YOUR LEFT HAND IN THE BALL THREAD POSITION AND FINISH THE CHAIN. 12link is up AGAIN, THE CORE THREAD (FIRST SHUTTLE IN USE, USUALLY CALLED - IMAGINATIVELY - SHUTTLE ONE) WILL NOT BE INTERRUPTED AND THE CHAIN CAN BE TENSIONED AS NORMAL CLEAR AS MUD? THANKS ANITA 12Sites for extra Info/Practice http://www.georgiaseitz.com/roundrobin/newbiesroundrobin.html ALL THOSE OUTER RINGS ARE FLOATING RINGS 12ON THE MAIN CLASS PAGE 09sounds pretty easy actually 12IT IS ALL EASY NICOLE 12JUST A MATTER OF FIGURING OUT THE TERMS AND SEEING IT 12TATTING ONLY LOOKS DIFFICULT..... ITS NOT REALLY I HAVE MET PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFICULTY MANAGING 2-SHUTTLE TATTING SO FOR THOSE PEOPLE, THESE FLOATING RINGS CAN BE A DIFFICULT CONCEPT AS LONG AS YOU CAN RECOGNIZE WHICH SHUTTLE HOLDS THE THREAD THAT'S THE CORE OF THE PREVIOUS ELEMENT AND WHICH SHUTTLE HAS THE THREAD WHICH *NEEDS* TO BE THE CORE OF THE NEXT ELEMENT, YOU'LL BE FINE. 09do you use picot guages? WHERE'S THAT LINK ANITA? I USE PICOT GAUGES WHEN I HAVE A LOT TO MAKE ON A SINGLE ELEMENT OTHERWISE I JUST EYEBALL 12THE EXTRA PRACTICE ONE? YES, I'M CURIOUS WHICH ROSE CAMEN MEANT? THREAD ENDS, MY BIG BUGABOO 12http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/Practice.html I USED TO AVOID MAKING ITEMS COMPOSED OF LOTS OF SMALLER MEDALLIONS OR ELEMENTS OH I DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT PAGE For needle tatters, the ring would be cast onusing the needle thread, correct? 12I ADDED IT TODAY..... EXACTLY, CARMEN 12KEEP FINDING NEW PATTERNS AND PICS PAGES THAT WOULD HELP GOOD IDEA ANITA NOW, THREAD ENDS I READ A BOOK BY JUDI BANASHEK CALLED 'IMPECCABLE TATTING' SHE HAS LOTS OF IDEAS FOR DEALING WITH ENDS I'VE PUT THE MOST MAINSTREAM (AND SOME NOT QUITE SO MAINSTREAM) IN THIS LESSON FIRST, TATTING OVER THE TAILS ACTUALLY, NEEDLE TATTERS CAN DO THIS TOO IF YOU'RE VERY CAREFUL AND PATIENT IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO SEW THEM IN FOR SHUTTLE TATTING, AS LONG AS YOUR HSUTTLE HAS A PICK OR HOOK, IT'S VERY EASY THE MAIN IDEA IS TO GET THE TAIL TO FOLLOW THE CORE THREAD BY GUIDING THE TAIL INTO EACH HALF STITCH AFTER ITS MADE THEN TENSIONING VERY TIGHTLY OVER THE TOP TO PREVENT THE WORK FROM BULGING FROM THE DOUBLE THICKNESS 09I have done this before - so much easier than sewing them in after. IF THE TAIL IS LONG ENOUGH, \ INVENTIVE SHUTTLE TATTERS CAN ATTACH THAT END TO THE WORKING SHUTTLE 12IF YOU ARE SHUTTLE TATTING YES AND BOTH THREADS WILL LAND INSIDE THE CORE, AND QUICKLY TOO! I TRY TO AVOID 2 THREAD ENDS IN ONE CHAIN IF I CAN AT LEAST IN A RING YOU CAN TAT OVER ONE END, THEN SEW THE END INTO THE OTHER SIDE *** OR **** YOU CAN USE A MAGIC THREAD FOR THAT 2ND END! DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO READ ABOUT THE MAGIC THREAD TRICK? CALLED "TRICK" BECAUSE IT'S SLICK :)) AT LEAST IT WAS TO THOSE OF US WHEN WE FIRST SAW IT DEMONSTRATED LOL\ 09thats the floss threader one right? RIGHT, I USE A FLOSS THREADER 12STILL HAVE TO TRY THAT LOL IT'S RIGID AND THEREFORE EASIER FOR ME TO GUIDE INSIDE THE DOUBLE STITCHES 12HMMMM OFF TO THE DRUG STORE TOMOROW ;) AND ALSO EASIER FOR ME TO PULL ON (WAIL ON??) TO PULL THE THREAD ENDS THROUGH FLOSS THREADERS MAKE EXCELLENT BEADING NEEDLES TOO, BIG EYE :) 09safer for kids to use too. :) LOL NICOLE 12LOL GIVE MY KIDS A NEEDLE AND EVERYONE WILL BE BLEEDING LOL ANYWAY, TRY THE MTT FOR YOURSELF. IF YOU HAVE DIFFICULTY PULLING DUE TO TIGHT TENSION, TRY DEBBIE DRAKE'S WAY ALSO LINKED IN THE LESSON LAST, I INCLUDED MY VERY FAVORITE INSTRUCTIONS FOR SEWING IN ENDS 12LOVE THAT ONE :) BEFORE I READ LILY'S METHOD, I WAS JAMMING THOSE FEW INEVITABLE ENDS (FORGOT TO PUT IN MT OBVIOUSLY) INTO THE CORE OF THE CHAINS AND RINGS IWTH A TAPESTRY NEEDLE IT WORKED OK, BUT THE RESULT WAS KIND OF BULGY AND CERTAINLY IT PULLED THE WORK OUT OF SIZE AND SHAPE BUT LO AND BEHOLD, LILY AND HER IDEA OF SEWING BETWEEN THE THREAD CAPAS CAPS REVOLUTIONARY FOR ME, BUT I THINK MOST OTHERS ALREADY KNEW IT I WAS SELF TAUGHT LOL http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/lilys_way.html 12FOR ANYONE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH THIS ONE THOUGH.... DRAW YOUR NEEDLE ACROSS A FILE TO GET RID OF THE POINT BY SEWING THIS WAY, MY TATTING LOOKS MUCH NICER 12THEN IT WIL GO BETWEEN THE THREADS RATHER THAN THROUGH ONE OF THEM I ALWAYS USE TAPESTRY NEEDLES (BLUNT) TO AVOID SPLITTING THREADS 09use a blunt/tapestry needle? 12SO LONG AS IT IS FINE ENOUGH NICOLE THE THREAD END WILL NOT SNAP INSIDE IF YOU SPLIT THREADS WITH THE NEEDLE YOU'RE SEWING WITH 12LOL WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I KEEP SIZE 24 AND 26 IN MY TATTING KIT FOR THREAD ENDS I USE MOSTLY SIZE 20-50 I'D TRY THE 26 ON A SIZE 80, BUT I'D WORRY THAT I WOULD NEED TO GET OUT A QUILTING NEEDLE TO DO IT PROPERLY 12IF THE END DOESNT SNAP UP THOUGH YOU CAN PULL IT OUT AND TRY AGAIN WHEW! SORRY, WENT OVER 10 MINUTES HAD A LOT TO COVER AND RECOVER FROM ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO ANSWER ABOUT? 12LOL ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE? ANYONE GOING TO TRY THAT NICE GERMAN SNOWFLAKE? IT'S ONE OF THE TYPE OF PATTERNS I WOULD HAVE AVOIDED IN THE PAST UNTIL I MADE FRIENDS WITH MTT Yes, I did 12HOW DID IT GO CARMEN 09thanks for taking the time to teach us. I hope to be back - and better prepared next week. 12NO PROB NICOLE I used a lampwork bead in the center and size 8 in the other places 12IF ANYONE NEEDS IT THEY ARE WELCOME TO COME TO THE NEXT SESSION AS WELL 12OR ASK US IN EMAIL AND WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS SOME DAYS WE'RE FASTER THAN OTHERS :-) * nicole has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) CARMEN, YOU HAVE TO GET A SCANNER, I'D LOVE TO SEE YOUR WORK. 12ME TOO MAYBE I NEED TO SEND YOU SOME STAMPS SO YOU CAN MAIL ME PHOTOCOPIES! 12LOL NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT YOU AND YOUR BEADS. YOU'LL LIKE NEXT WEEK'S LESSON (MAYBE IT WILL BE TOO EASY?) i would like to have smaller doilies to use as a pendants THEN YOU'LL LIKE THIS WEEK'S BIG CLASS LESSON: 12CARMEN NEXT WEEK WIL BE GREAT FOR YOU IRIS PENDANT BY NINA LIBIN 12MABY YOU WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND NINA'S PATTERNS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/nlibingreeniris.html 12I SO WANT TO DO THAT ONE.... WE HAVEN'T DONE SPLIT RINGS YET BUT YOU *CAN* DO IT WITHOUT SPLIT RINGS 12BUT HAVE TO FINISH A PROJECT FIRST 12NO SHUTTLES AVAILABLE AT THE MOMENT :( MAKE RING 10 BE A SCMR AND RING 11 WILL BE A FLOATING RING OFF THE SCMR I make Nina Libin pendants ONE FOLDS RING 11 OVER RING 10 AND THAT MAKES A NICE SLIDE/BAIL TO PLACE THE PENDANT ON A CHAIN OR OTHER THREAD DID YOU TRY THE IRIS THEN CARMEN? I KNOW I HAVE THOSE SELFSAME SEED BEADS SOMEWHERE Yes, I did before the class AND NINA USES THAT DMC METALLIC THAT COMES ON A SPOOL/REEL THE SAME SIZE AS SEWING THREAD