Session Start: Wed Mar 22 17:44:57 2006 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat Hi Anita Good evening! hi mimi :) Hello Mimi My, we're a lively group tonight! i am working on lesson 4 mimi..... i have a short memory though keep having to look back at my notes to see what we were planning to teach lol It gets us all, doesn't it! I have to read the lesson before starting up mIRC for teaching! well there i can at least have 2 screens open if my head were not attached i would have forgotten it long ago lol Me too. i would not survive without my date book So, was anyone brave enough to try SCMR this past week? I have tried to learn needle tatting, I didn't like my first rings No one likes their first rings. :) carmen you will get onto it with practice It's difficult at first to have even and tight tension and if your needle is a little bit big, your ring might be difficult to tension well. Like Anita said, it will take some practice. it makes the rings look nicer if you can get the first and last stitch together in your pinch before you close the ring though The good news is, when you practice, you can build up some speed with the better tension too. I found out what was the problem a needle too thick for a thin thread * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter is now known as TatPat1 should always use a needle the same thickness (or as close to it as possible) as your thread hi pat Just sneaking a peek at what your doing. not much yet Hi every one. class starts in 5 OK Any other questions left over from last week? Needle tatting - closing rings I mentioned this class in my Red Hat Lacers group yesterday and suggested that they check it out. We are a tatting group. But it doesn't look like any of them signed up. maby next week pat What sort of difficulty, Carmen? they are always welcome :) * Tatter has joined #tatchat what problem are you having closing rings? I use SLT to join rings, I wasn't sure that is the way to do it SLT is to switch from a ring to a chian chain so you mean to close them or join one to another shes i cant type i meant do you Anita, I see you have learned to spell from Georgia, LOL. lol i am lousy at spelling Hey, typos and misspellings are totally allowed in class! and almost as bad at typing Well, as long as we can tell what you mean to say :) That's Ok , me too. lol if not mimi you would have to do this all on your own lol Is everything OK then Carmen? Yes OK THEN, LET'S SIGN IN AND START CLASS MIMI DILLMAN, SNOHOMISH, WA USA, ntrop@ix.netcom.com SHUTTLE and some needle :) carmen did you figure out what you needed? Cecilia Hobbs, Houston, TX, USA, needle tatting anita lausch, london ontario canada, ahobden@hotmail.com, needle/shuttle Carmen, Peru, carlat@viabcp.com cecilia type your name in the space in lower right and press enter Cecilia! How is Carol Mifflin? Have you met her yet? Michelle Hou, Taipei, Taiwan, Asia, michellehou@gmail.com,shuttle Welcome all. no we plan to meet next saturday. can't get into lower right hand box to enter my name. TRY TYPING "/NICK CECILIA" WITHOUT QUOTES MEANTIME, WELCOME ALL DID YOU ALL READ LESSON 2 THIS WEEK? Yes MICHELE AND CECILIA, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE? * Tatter is now known as cecilia ALL RIGHT CECILIA! no, just received link fromgeorgia this morning Patsy A. Goodman, Chula Vista, CA, USA, Shuttle tatting TODAY'S TOPIC IS TRUE RINGS AND ALSO THE USE OF PICOT GAUGES WHEN MEASURING THREAD WE HAD TALKED SOME ALREADY ABOUT BOTH LAST TIME. BUT WITH THE NEW STUDENTS HERE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TRY THE SYLLABUS FIRST. HAVE ANY OF YOU MADE TRUE RINGS BEFORE IN YOUR TATTING? lol maby they wont be ahead of us? THE LINK TO THE LESSON IS: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson2.html SORRY FORGOT TO PUT IT INTO THE LOG SOONER. no, only scmr What makes a ring "true ring" ? ANITA, SINCE WE HAVE MOSTLY NEEDLE TATTERS TONIGHT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN FOR NEEDLE TATTERS HOW TO DO THE TRUE RING? A TRUE RING HAS A CIRCULAR CORE THREAD SO IT WILL CLOSE AS YOU TIGHTEN IT. NO NEED TO PUT A slt AT THE END I ALWAYS GET MIXED UP WHEN TRYING TO DO THESE WITH A NEEDLE :) NEEDLE TATTERS.... THE ONLY THING YOU WILL DO DIFFERENTLY FOR A TRUE RING IS THE DIRECTION YOUR NEEDLE IS POINTING FOR SHUTTLE TATTERS, TRUE RINGS ARE THE STANDARD RING YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY LEARNED (MICHELLE??) DOING A TRUE RING YOU WILL BE USEING THE THREAD WHICH IS THREADED ON YOUR NEEDLE TO FORM THE STITCHES RATHER THAN THE BALL THREAD SO DO YOU NEED A LONG NEEDLE THREAD, ANITA, WHEN DOING BARE-THREAD TATTING LIKE THE COMMUNION CLOTH? YOUR LAST ELEMENT WILL BE HELD AGAINST YOUR NEEDLE SO THE THREADED END IS LOOPED AROUND TO USE IN FORMING THE STITCHES SO YOU START LOOPING WHERE YOU WANT THE BASE OF THE NEXT RING TO BE? YES MIMI.... THE MORE TRUE RINGS YOU ARE PLANNING TO DO THE MORE THREAD YOU NEED THREADED ON YOUR NEEDLE WHICH IS WHY NEEDLE TATTERS TEND TO USE THE SCMR INSTEAD THEY CAN CONTINUE TATTING LONGER BEFORE HAVING TO ADD THREAD DID MY EXPLANATION MAKE SENSE LADIES? DO YOU NEED BETTER PICS? ARE THE PHOTOS AT http://www.handyhandstatting.com/learn.html ILLUSTRATING THE TRUE RING? I THINK THEY ARE FROM WHAT YOU DESCRIBED? YES IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PIC YOU CAN SEE BETTER WHERE THE END OF THE THREAD IS THIS WOULD BE WHERE THE PRIOR ELEMENT OR BALL WOULD BE SO I WOULD PUT THE WORK WHERE MY RIGHT INDEX FINGER IS, UNDER WHERE THE NEEDLE IS CROSSING THE INDEX FINGER? AND THE NEEDLE THREAD WILL BE DROOPING DOWN. CARMEN... THE SECOND LAST PIC SHOWS THE TATTER CLOSING THE RING... IF YOU HOLD IT LIKE THIS UNTIL YOU CAN GET BOTH FIRST AND LAST ST YOU CAN GET A BETTER CIRCLE Folks, don't be afraid to ask questions as your teachers go along. THATS RIGHT MIMI AND PAT IS RIGHT TOO.... PLEASE SPEAK UP IF WE DONT MAKE SENSE THAT'S RIGHT PAT. DON'T MIND MY BARRAGE OF QUESTIONS, PLEASE JUMP IN! MY NEXT QUESTION: CAN YOU USE SCMR TO MAKE HENS & CHICKS OR SIMILAR BARE-THREAD PATTERNS? OR TRUE RING IS REQUIRED? NO POINT IN US TALKING IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND NO MIMI TO HAVE ONLY ONE THREAD BETWEEN THE RINGS YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO TRUE RINGS OTHERWISE YOU ARE DRAGING THE BALL THREAD AS WELL I TEND TO SUB. SCMR INTO ANY PATTERN WHERE YOU HAVE RINGS AND CHAINS TOGETHER.... I DONT CARE FOR ENDS A WHOLE LOT BUT IF YOU ARE DOING MALTESE TYPE PATTERNS THAT WONT WORK THANKS ANITA. I'M NOT MUCH ON THREAD ENDS EITHER. BUT HOPEFULLY THE NEEDLE TATTERS CAN SEE WHY WE'RE MAKING A POINT TO DISCUSS TRUE RINGS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GET THE EFFECT OF THE PATTERNS SUCH AS THOSE AT THE END OF THE LESSON CECILIA AND CARMEN, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO PEEK? AT THE PATTERNS, i MEAN? HENS AND CHICKS IS AN AGE-OLD PATTERN. HAVE YOU ALL LOOKED AT THE PIC OF THE COMMUNION CLOTH AT THE END OF THE LESSON? YOU WILL PROBABLY HEAR IT REFERRED TO A LOT ON THE TATTING LISTS, AND IN THE ONLINE CLASS IF NOT PLEASE DO. DEBBIE DRAKE DID A WONDERFUL JOB ADAPTING IT TO HER COMMUNION CLOTH EDGING DEBBIE DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS PATTERN AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT TRUE RINGS workingon it now :-) AND THE COLOR! JUST LOVELY! AGREED MIMI! I CAN NEVER FIND DEEP COLORS LIKE THAT IN TATTING THREAD HERE WHICH IS WHY I USE EMBROIDERY FLOSS A LOT MORE SELECTION YOU NEED TO COME TO SPOKANE OR HECTOR OR COLUMBIA SC'S TATTING DAYS THREAD IN VARIETIES AND COLORS YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE! LOL WOULD LOVE TO BUT THEN I HAVE TO DRAG THE KIDS THEY'RE WELCOME IF THEY TAT! lol I ALSO NEED TO FIND RITA COCHRANE FOR YOU. SHE'S SOMEWHERE IN S. ONTARIO. I AM ENVIOUS SHE CARRIES TONS OF THREADS. AND WHILE SHE'LL SHUTTLE TAT IF SHE NEEDS TOO, SHE'S REALLY A NEEDLE TATTER AT HEART Altin Basak thread has some lovely colors. LOL I CANT CONVINCE MY KID READING IS EASY.... YOU WANT ME TO TEACH HER TO TAT? THAT'S RIGHT, AND SO DOES VENUS THESE DAYS. ALL IN SIZES 50 AND 80 TOO, NICE SIZES I AM GOING TO HAVE TO ORDER SOME ONLINE FROM HANDY HANDS Wonder if a dealer at Spokane will have some? Hen and chicks snowflakes (long threads) I added size 8 beads, looks good CARMEN, CECILIA, MICHELLE ANY PROBLEMS? QUESTIONS? THAT WOULD BE GREAT CARMEN A.B. HAS BEEN THERE AT AT LEAST ONE TABLE EACH YEAR FOR THE LAST SEVERAL PAT HAVE YOU SCANNED IT? YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE VENUS, THE SUCCESSOR TO MANUELA (CALLED HAECKELGARN, GERMAN WORD FOR CROCHET THREAD) Thanks Mimi. SORRY SHOULD HAVE SAID ALSO SEE THE SUCCESSOR. VENUS IS NOT THE SUCCESSOR. 2 DIFFERENT TYPS. SEE YOU THERE PAT! OK 12CARMEN... DO YOU HAVE A SCAN OF YOUR WORK? JUST WHAT i WAS TYPING, ANITA LOL 12LOL I'D LOVE TO SEE IT WITH BEADS, I'll be staying at the Crossland. 12ME TOO.... 12AND WE COULD PUT IT ONLINE FOR THE CLASS TO SEE AND WITH CARMEN'S PERMISSION, HOPEFULLY WE CAN SHOW IT OFF TO GEORGIA? IF YOU'RE TOO SHY TO HAVE US POST IT CARMEN, JUST SAY SO, AND WE'LL KEEP IT TO OURSELVES. Got it finally. I'LL BE AT THE COMFORT INN, PAT. OK GREAT CECILIA. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE LOOK? THE SINGLE THREAD WAS THE ORIGINAL WAY THAT TATTING WAS DONE UP UNTIL THE MID-1800'S WHEN FINALLY SOMEONE INVENTED THE CHAIN! Not shy, I don't have a scanner! Sorry... NOT SURE WHO INVENTED IT- BUT MME RIEGO WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TO PUBLISH INSTRUCITONS AND DESIGNS WITH IT * Tatter has joined #tatchat DRAT! I WISH I COULD LOAN YOU MINE LOL 12WELCOME TATTER * Tatter is now known as Yvonne 12HI YVONNE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRUE RING? had to work late 12HAVE YOU SEEN LESSON 2 YET? YVONNE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE TRUE RINGS, I KNOW, SO I WON'T WAIT FOR HER ON THAT! I think I looked it over 12LOL OK MICHELLE, YOU HAVE BEEN QUIET, ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE TRUE RING FOR SHUTTLE? Got to go. Good night. true ring is a regular ring right? 12NIGHT PAT BY PAT GOOD NIGHT BUT I would like to share a tip at the end of the class about it 12YES YVONE * TatPat1 has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) THAT'S RIGHT YVONNE, REGULAR FOR SHUTTLE TATTERS. BUT FOR NEEDLE TATTERS, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME ok cool 12WHAT IS THAT CARMEN? PLEASE, GO AHEAD NOW - WHAT IF YOU GET DISCONNECTED? WE'D NEVER KNOW! LOL WELL, I GUESS I HAVE TO BE PATIENT ANYWAY, THE SHORT VERSION OF THE SHUTTLE TATTER'S TRUE RING. INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE BALL THREAD OVER THE HAND AND MOVING THE SHUTTLE UNDER AND OVER THAT BALL THREAD TO MAKE A CHAIN OR SCMR ONE HAS TO LOOP THE SHUTTLE THREAD AROUND THE HAND I use brush on sealers, a product use on ceramics, to cover my tatted pieces DIRECTION IS IMPORTANT YOU HOLD THE PREVIOUS WORK IN YOUR PINCH THE SHUTTLE THREAD SHOULD BE POINTING UP AND IT WILL GO UP AND OVER THE FINGERS, THEN COME BACK TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PINCH AND UP. THEN YOU START YOUR DOUBLE STITCHES. 12CARMEN DOES THIS MAKE THE PIECES HARD? MAKE SURE THE FIRST HALF STITCH IS CLOSE TO YOUR PREVIOUS WORK AND MAKE SURE IT SLIDES! BEFORE YOU GO ON TO MAKE THE REST OF THE RING. THAT GOES FOR NEEDLE TATTERS TOO THE PART ABOUT CLOSE TO PREVIOUS WORK IF YOU DON'T GET CLOSE, YOU WILL HAVE UNPLANNED BARE THREADS BETWEEN ELEMENTS GEORGIA SEITZ CALLS THIS "GAPSOSIS" LOL PREVENTION IS THE CURE FOR GAPSOSIS 12SOMETHING I SEEM TO HAVE FROM TIME TO TIME LOL Not that hard you have to add water, 3 types Matte, gloss and high gloss INTERESTING, CARMEN THAT METHOD OF STIFFENING - DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG IT WILL LAST BEFORE DISCOLORING (IF EVER) ? WHEN WORKING YOUR SHUTTLE-TATTED RING, YOU MAY FIND THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THE RING THREAD BIGGER TO KEEP MAKING STITCHES JUST PULL ON THE BARE THREAD UNDER YOUR FINGERS PULL AWAY FROM YOU ACK, DID i GET THAT RIGHT? WHERE IS MY SHUTTLE LOL YES, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT 12YES MIMI LOL DON'T PULL ON THE SHUTTLE, THAT CLOSES THE RING. It last forever on ceramic pieces. I asked that question to the Company I buy this product they say will not affect fibers SO UNLESS THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS, WE CAN GO TO THE USE OF GAUGES FOR PLANNED GAPS THAT ARE NOT A DISEASE :) 12AND BEFORE YOU CLOSE ANY RING DOUBLE CHECK YOUR STITCH COUNTS!!!! RINGS ARE HARD TO OPEN AMEN! ANN WILSON USED TO USE THIS AS A SIG: COUNT TWICE, CLOSE ONE ONCE 12LOL YUP KIND OF LIKE THE SEWING : MEASURE TWICE CUT ONCE YOU CAN RE-OPEN RINGS... WITH PATIENCE I did one of those ribbons from lesson i think that is cool to do 12I HAVE STARTED MANY PROJECT TO GET 1/2 WAY AND HAVE TO RESTART BECUASE I MESSED UP AND COULDNT OPEN THE RING ISN'T THE RIBBON FUN? IT'S SIMPLE RINGS AND CHAINS I did it in varigated red white and blue :) 12I LOVE THOSE AND HAVE DONE ALOT IN BLACK LATELY I WOULDN'T RESTART, ANITA, I'D CUT IT OUT AND TIE ON THREADS (UNLESS IT WAS REALLY SMALL?) 12FOR FRIENDS OK GAUGES FOR BARE-THREAD TATTING okay, i've got the ring idea down. much different than a scmr, though. 12THAT WAS BEFORE I LEARNED ENOUGH TO KNOW HOW TO HIDE THREADS..... HAVING NEW ONES SCARED ME EVEN MORE LOL IT CERTAINLY IS, CECILIA. LOL ANITA. AND YOU A NEEDLE TATTER!

sorry I'm wroking now is 11:00am, Taipei time 12WAS USING A SHUTTLE THEN 12LEARNED SHUTTLE FIRST FOR BARE THREAD TATTING, UNLESS YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD EYE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO MEASURE THE THREADS 12LOL BETWEEN YOUR RINGS TO KEEP THEM EVEN AND KEEP THEM FROM BEING TOO SHORT (PULLING THE WORK) OR TOO LONG (DROOPY) 12OK BYE MICHELLE... SEE YOU NEXT WEEK? THE IDEA IS SIMILAR TO THE GUAGES IN USE ON THE LESSON SITE TO MEASURE PICOTS WITH THE BARE OR SINGLE-THREAD TATTING, YOU HAVE ONLY ONE THREAD SO YOU HOLD THE GAUGE SNUG TO THE PREVIOUS RING THEN START YOUR NEXT RING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GAUGE. YOU CAN HOLD THE GAUGE WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU LIKE, HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL, AS LONG AS THE DISTANCE IS CORRECT FOR THE WORK 12FOR SINGLE THREAD TATTING I USE A ROLLER CLIP TO HOLD A SPACE (LIKE A GUAGE) SO THE SPACES ARE EQUAL DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ROLLER CLIP? 12I AM A HIARSTYLIST.... OLD FASHION ROLLERS THAT NEEDED A METAL CLIP TO HOLD THEM IN YOUR HAIR I just open this chat page, I can't spend too much time to talk to you 12I CAN SCAN ONE AND PUT I PIC IN THE LESSON IF YOU ALL WANT TO SEE WHAT I MEAN 12NP MICHELLS 12SHESH THERE IS THAT TYPING AGAIN LOL I'll read the chat at home SORRY I NEVER DID USE ROLLERS - BUT IN THE 70'S A MEAN CURLING IRON FOR THOSE FARRAH FAWCETT CURLS :) I THINK FOR YOUR ROLLER CLIP, IT HAS EVENLY SPACED SIDES, LIKE A GAUGE? SO THE ANSWER IS: USE WHAT YOU HAVE HANDY THAT'S THE RIGHT LENGTH FOR THE SPACE 12yes mimi ROLLER CLIP, PAPER CLIP, CUT-TO-SIZE PLASTIC, PURCHASED GAUGE, WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE TATTING CAN BE A FAIRLY INEXPENSIVE HOBBY AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT A PACK-RAT FOR THREADS AND SHUTTLES AND ... AND ... :) want to hear my deal of the day? ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE OF GAUGES WHEN WORKING WITH A SINGLE THREAD? SURE YVONNE, WHAT IS IT? I went to Jo Anns today THEN WE CAN GO TO THE LAST IDEA OF THE LESSON DID THEY HAVE A SALE TOO? the first half of a ds fits snugly against gage of the next ring? and they had clearanced out two shuttles for one dollar ACK! I BOUGHT WHEN THEY WERE A DOLLAR EACH. DARN :) 12YES CECILIA the Susan bates shuttles no no each one was a one dollar I have never seen shuttles so cheap IN THE SALE HERE THEY HAD THE METAL BATES AND THE PLASTIC (WITH BOBBIN) TYPE. I BOUGHT THE PLASTIC I love the plastic ones better than the metal ME NEITHER YVONNE. EVERYONE HIT THEIR JOANN'S FAST BEFORE YOUR NEIGHBOR TATTERS DO :) YOU'LL NEED THEM FOR 2-COLOR TATTING (POSSIBLY). HOW'S THAT FOR A SEGUEWAY? PROBABLY SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY PRODUCED TATTING IN 2 COLORS, RIGHT? 12LOL I have not done that recently I did when I was a kid 12NEEDLE TATTERS DONT WORRY YOU ONLY NEED ONE NEEDLE 2 colorr split rings OOPS THANKS ANITA :) WOW CARMEN, ARE YOU DOING SPLIT RINGS ALREADY? my grandmother gave me the plastic red shuttles and put r and c on the two shuttles still have them too 12SHUTTLE TATTERS COLLECT SHUTTLES.... NEEDLE TATTERS CONCENTRATE ON THEAD.... HOW FANCY CAN A NEEDLE GET? ;) Yes, I needed them for my jewelry work THE RED ONES ARE THE BEST SHUTTLES BATES PRODUCED. I BUY THEM WHEN i CAN FIND THEM I have too many shuttle but it is fun to have a choice GREAT! (ACTUALLY, DON'T TELL ANYONE, BUT SPLIT RINGS ARE A BREEZE ON THE NEEDLE AS LONG AS YOU DON'T MIND RETHREADING) 12ALWAYS....THEN YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE COLOR LOADED TOO some needle tatters collect shuttles also. I have a box full from the past 20 years, but alas can only needle tat 12MORE SELECTION WITH LITTLE PREP TIME WHEN YOU WANT TO START SOMETHING does anyone have the shuttle that has two bobbins in them? ANYWAY, THE MAIN THING ABOUT COLOR IS: THE TATTING WILL BE THE COLOR OF THE THREAD OVER YOUR HAND NOT THE SHUTTLE THREAD YES YVONNE I DO. 12I WANT ONE BUT HAVE TO SAVE UP FOR IT... I just got one and have to figure out how it works COLOR STRATEGY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BETWEEN NEEDLE AND SHUTTLE, ISN'T IT ANITA? 12A LITTLE THOUGH NOT MUCH WITH SHUTTLE, YOU JUST TIE ON A DIFFERENT BALL THREAD TO THE SHUTTLE THREAD, AND YOUR CHAINS/SCMR ARE THE SAME COLOR AS THE BALL THREAD, TRUE RINGS ARE THE COLOR OF THE SHUTTLE THREAD FOR NEEDLE, YOU'D HAVE TO USE TRUE RINGS OR A 2ND NEEDLE TO ALTERNATE, RIGHT? 12WITH A NEEDLE THE BALL THREAD IS YOUR CHAIN COLOR.... NEEDLE THREAD IS YOUR RING (IE TRUE RING) COLOR OK, IT *IS* DIFFERENT (SHE SAYS PROUDLY SINCE SHE'S NEVER TRIED IT BEFORE WITH THE NEEDLE LOL) 12LOL ONE GOOD TRICK TO CONTROL COLOR: SLT IF YOU DON'T WANT THE COLORS TO FOLLOW THE USUAL PATTERN, GET 2 SHUTTLES OR 2 NEEDLES AND DO THE WORK SLT AND USE THE OTHER IMPLEMENT IF THE COLOR YOU WANT IS NOT IN POSITION. 12THAT WOULD WORK FOR NEEDLE TATTERS AS WELL THOUGH BE PREPAIRED TO WORK "OFF THE BALL" IE CUT YOUR THREAD, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WANTED TO TAKE THE REMEMBERANCE RIBBON PATTERN, BUT DO ONLY HALF AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CANDY CANE, YOU CAN! 12YOU WOULD END UP ADDING NEW THREADS FAIRLY OFTEN UNLESS YOU WERE WORKING WITH REALLY LONG PIECES WELL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THREAD ENDS NEXT LESSON. SO PLEASE TAT A MOTIF TO ITS END AND LEAVE THE ENDS SO YOU CAN PRACTICE FINISHING. ANYWAY, ABOUT THAT CANDY CANE :) IT WOULD TAKE MAKING A RING AND THE CHAIN FOLLOWING IN THE SAME COLOR, ALTERNATING A RED RING CHAIN WITH A WHITE RING/CHAIN. SHUTTLE TATTERS WILL HAVE TO MAKE THE SLT BEFORE MAKING EACH CHAIN. WOULD YOU EVEN TRY THIS BY NEEDLE, ANITA?IN SOME CASES, WOULD NEEDLE TATTERS FIND THAT HTEY DON'T MAKE A SLT AT ALL? (IS THAT LEGAL, ANITA?) 12LEGAL????? GIRL YOU DO WHAT WORKS LOL 12I THINK IN DOING THIS I WOULD WANT 2 NEEDLES WITH THE 2 COLORSS 12AND PROCEDED ASSUMING I MIGHT END UP HAVING TO ADD THREAD 12NEEDLE TATTERS... DO YOU SEE HOW THIS WOULD BE DONE? 12TIE A KNOT BETWEEN THE TWO COLORS.... FIRST THE WHITE IS THE WORKING NEEDLE THEN THE RED 12ALTERNATING WHICH ONE ACTS AS WORKING NEEDLE AND BALL THREAD? Yes, if the ring is red, and the chain should be white, you would hold a tail of white thread next to the red ring to begin the first white chain. Two needles tatting - Please,some links for this technique 12TO GET THE CHAIN THE SAME COLOR CECILIA YOU WOULD DO A SLT TO HAVE THE COLORS IN THE RIGHT SPOT to use two colors in needle tatting, only one needle is needed. the chain color is worked off the ball thread, not the needle thread 12I AM UNCERTAIN OF LINKS FOR THIS BUT CAN SCAN SOME IMAGES AND PUT THEM ONLINE FOR YOU CARMEN BUT CECILIA, IN THIS CASE, I HAVE CHALLENGED YOU TO IMAGINE TATTING WITH 2 THREADS, ONE WHITE AND ONE RED Thank you. THE PATTERN OF COLOR: WHITE RING, WHITE CHAIN; RED RING, RED CHAIN; REPEAT 12AND KEEPING THE CHAIN AND THE RING TOGETHER AS ONE COLOR YOU HAVE TO CUT THE THREAD FROM THE BALL YOU CAN RETHREAD YOUR NEEDLE EACH TIME IF YOU LIKE WHEN YOU CHANGE BETWEEN COLORS. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY 2 NEEDLES (I AVOID THREADING IF I CAN, YOU SEE) 12MIMI I THINK I WILL USE YOUR CANDY CANE IDEA AS A GUIDE TO PUT SCANS TOGETHER FOR A PAGE ON THIS THAT WILL BE GREAT, ANITA, THANKS! NOT EVERYONE IS A DESIGNER. BUT I SENSE THAT IF CARMEN IS ALREADY EXPERIMENTING WITH 12NP... WILL START TATTING AND SCANNING IN THE MORNING :) 2 COLOR SPLIT RINGS, SHE MIGHT L IKE TO SEE HOW TO CONTROL COLORS LIKE THIS TOO 12AGREED OK, WE'RE 10 MINUTES OVER (AS USUAL, I WAS MY VERBOSE SELF) 12LOL NO ONE SEEMS TO MIND ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I look forward to seeing the scans so I get a better idea of this type of two color needle tatting ;-) COLOR IS SUCH FUN! I HOPE YOU ALL SAW THAT I PUT THE LOG FOR LAST LESSON ON THE TOP OF THE LINKS FOR LESSON 1 12I WILL TRY TO HAVE THE SCANS ONLINE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS I WILL DO THE SAME FOR THE LOG FOR TONIGHT - PUTTING IT ON THE PAGE WITH LESSON 2 THAT WAY YOU CAN REFER BACK TO IT. 12THANKS MIMI FOR THAT Cecilia, may I ask a question to you? certainly When I was going to Junion High and High school in Houston, my best friend was Laura Mifflin. Her mother is Carol Mifflin. I had no idea Carol wanted to tat - and I learned after Laura and I went off to college Color? you wouldn't want to hear what I do about it. Have you had a chance to meet Carol yet? YOU'D BE SURPRISED, CARMEN! 12WHAT IS THAT CARMEN? Channelview is a long way from W. Houston. So I didn't know if you'd be going to her house? Or she to yours? Mimi, Carol just got back into town earlier this week. We had hoped to get together this weekend, but with the death of her friend and next door neighbor and her doctors appointments, she wants to wait until next weekend. Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear about her neighbor. She doesn't need any more of this! Anyway, I really thank you for keeping in touch with her. I wish I could from here, but it's difficult. We are going to meet at an assited living center where some friends of her live and I am going to give a tatting lesson. Please tell her Mimi says hello. I use fabric paints! OOOH CARMEN, HOW NICE! 12COOL Wow Cecilia, I hope the lesson goes well! I hope they don't overwhelm you with too many students. 12WELL HUBBY IS SITTING ALONE SO I SHOULD GO CECILIA, YOU *MUST* GET A SCANNER NOW TO SHOW US WHAT IS GOING ON!! DIGITAL CAMERA MAYBE? BEG, PLEAD 12IF ANYONE WANTS HELP I AM NORMAILLY ONLINE IN MSN MESSENGEER SRORY, I MEANT CARMEN NEEDS THE SCANNER. CECILIA YOU CAN TOO OF COURSE OF YOUR WORK OR YOUR CLASS :) I have both at home, and a big scaner at work 12USER NAME anitaL76@hotmail.com AND FOR HELP YOU CAN EMAIL EITHER ME OR ANITA ANY TIME.