Transcript as of Thu Feb 19 21:07:31 2009 GMT (37 KB) Page 1 of 1 - Char 1 to 38698 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER from x.x.x.9 cleared the room 57 minutes ago AKTATTER: please repeat that archive link AnneB TA-S: The logs are here: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/Archives.html AKTATTER: thank you Cynthia: Thanks Georgia I do appreciate the warning.... AKTATTER: :) AKTATTER: please process as normal I willjust lurk AKTATTER: er proceed Flupigirl: PattyBaranski@hotmail.com Soddy-Daisy, TN. Cynthia: no problem Shall we sign in? CYNTHIA STEVENSON BRASTHATFIT@YAHOO.COM STILLWATER OK USA Cynthia: BRB AKTATTER: Georgia Seitz Greenup Illinois USA AKTATTER@aol.com maria a.: maria a. malcantara53@yahoo.com.Mexico Cynthia from x.x.x.211 changed name to Cynthia T S N 55 minutes ago AKTATTER: Ola! Maria! AnneB TA-S: Anne Bruvold, Tromsų, Norway, solurab@online.no maria a.: HI!!!! Cynthia T S N: WELCOME EVERYONE TO LESSON 5 OF THIS SERIES maria a.: I“ll be afew minutes...is lunch time...but I“ll read AKTATTER: :) maria a.: the lesson after Mimi-TS: Mimi Dillman, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, currently in her office in Everett WA Mimi-TS: Barb was asking about where to find logs: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/Archives.html maria a.: where iI send my homework pictures? Mimi-TS: There is a link in the upper left of each page on that site (except that page) that will click you through to that page as well Cynthia T S N: THIS WEEK WE SEE HOW SPLIT CHAINS HELP US AVOID THE DREADED CUT AND TIE Mimi-TS: Logs are arranged by lesson number, with the latest chat log for that lesson on top AKTATTER: cut and tie sends shivers down my shuttle Mimi-TS: ack, not cut and tie!!! Cynthia T S N: ME TOO . Cynthia T S N: wELL ONE WAY TO AVIOD IT IS THE SPLIT CHAIN Mimi-TS: Homework photos, email to Cynthia or me, or share with the group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newshuttlesandneedles/photos/album/0/list Cynthia T S N: IF YOU MANAGED TO GET INTO THE CLASS WITHOUT BEING ON THE NEWSHUTTLESANDNEEDLES LIST LET ME KNOW PLEASE maria a.: Than you!!!!! Cynthia T S N: SOME HAVE COME IN THRU GEORGIA SO I DON'T HAVE THEIR INFO....SILLY ME Cynthia T S N: DO WE HAVE ANY NEEDLE TATTERS HERE TODAY? Flupigirl: I am shuttle. AKTATTER: yes everyone needs to register in asccordance with the anti-spam regulations Cynthia T S N: THE NEEDLE TATTERS HAVE IT A LOT EASIER ON THIS ONE... Cynthia T S N: I HAVE A FEW THAT I DON'T FIND ON NSAN BUT YOU MAY HAVE THEM GEORGIA AKTATTER: that is very true Cyn for the needle tatted split chain is very simple Flupigirl: I am wondering if the directions could be made more clear. Cynthia T S N: NSAN=NEWSHUTTLESANDNEEDLES Cynthia T S N: FOR SHUTTLE OR NEEDLE? AKTATTER: well directions can always be improved but for the needle this one is so simple Flupigirl: For shuttle. AKTATTER: oh I'm supposed to be lurking AKTATTER: :( sorry Cynthia T S N: GEORGIA MY SPLIT CHAINS LOOK TERRIBLE I STILL STRUGGLE WITH THEM DO YOU HAVE ANY TRICKS THAT WOULD HELP US ALL? Flupigirl: Ine if the problems with me is that you have to have someting started in order to do a split chain. AKTATTER: yes I do have one suggestion Linda-S from x.x.x.7 joined the chat 45 minutes ago AKTATTER: the manner in which Marie Smith teaches the split chain is really one of the best Cynthia T S N: GO AK THAT WOULD HELP US ALL Flupigirl: That should say one of the problems... AKTATTER: once mastered it is no fail Cynthia T S N: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/FastEasy.pdf AKTATTER: what link do you use for class? AnneB TA-S: Hi Linda! Linda-S: Linda Harrington, l_m_harrington@yahoo.com, Largo, MD Linda-S: Hi maria a. n s from x.x.x.136 joined the chat 43 minutes ago AKTATTER: first you need to understand the concept Cynthia T S N: HI LINDA WE ARE WORKING ON SPLIT CHAINS... WELCOME Cynthia T S N: WB MARIA AKTATTER: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/SCHMarie.htm AKTATTER: I don't know if that link is still active Linda-S: Hi, thanks! I'm trying to catch up. AKTATTER: probably the same page Mimi-TS: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson5.html AKTATTER: but it you have a pen or pencil handy Cynthia T S N: IT WAS A FEW MINUTES AGO.... Mimi-TS: has several links that teach the split chain AKTATTER: please pick it up Cynthia T S N: i JUST CLICKED ON THE WRONG ONE AnneB TA-S: This one is active: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/FastEasy.pdf AKTATTER: put the eraser on the left AKTATTER: thanks anne AKTATTER: nowe pretend that pencil is the chain in progess AKTATTER: normally you tat up to the mid point AKTATTER: whre you want to climb out AKTATTER: then you strech out a length of the shuttle thread AKTATTER: to the right (towards the point) AKTATTER: that thread is bare and you want to cover it with ds AKTATTER: you anchor the bare thread AKTATTER: s shuttle lock join or lhpj AKTATTER: then you WRAP ds on the bare thread back to the middle of the pencil/chain AKTATTER: now you know what to do AKTATTER: but the question is how to do it? AKTATTER: how towarp the ds AKTATTER: following Maries diagrams maria a. n s: this exaple tat from right to left? AKTATTER: witht he forefinger insertted in the loop Cynthia T S N: YOU MAKE IT SO EASY....I TRIED AND TRIED BUT THIS TIME WITH THE PENCIL IT MADE SENSE AKTATTER: insures that the ds flips up into the proper position Mimi-TS: AK is the best Flupigirl: I pulled up a loop through the ring on the right and put my shuttle through. Is that right? AKTATTER: oh I am so glad that helped AKTATTER: in the workshops AKTATTER: i bring chosticks and we wrap the chopsticks with ds AKTATTER: the diffiulty lies in the fact that the shuttle cannot reach into the tiny spaces AKTATTER: so to get it thru the loops you must bring the loop to the shuttle AnneB TA-S: But a needle can! Cynthia T S N: IT WILL COME ON THREAD NOW AS I GOT IT TO LOOK GOOD ....SEE EVEN THE TEACHERS NEED HELP OCCASIONALLY AKTATTER: that is why the needle tatted split chain is the easiet thing in the world! AKTATTER: you unthread the needle AKTATTER: use that thread to wrap the required ds AKTATTER: stick the eye of the needle through the point of attachment AKTATTER: rethread the needle AKTATTER: slide the chain off and voila! finis! Mimi-TS: Et voila! AKTATTER: now does everyone see how Marie hold the left forefinger? Cynthia T S N: THANK YOU GEORGIA. I'LL HAVE TO FIND THAT LINK AND PRINT IT OUT AND SAVE IT. AKTATTER: that is the key Cynthia T S N: WHEN I TRIED IT SAID NOT FOUND BUT I KNOW I'VE SEEN IT TODAY.... Mimi-TS: Actually Cynthia we have that lniked on lesson 5 AKTATTER: Jane renamed many of her files Mimi-TS: Jane did some housekeeping and changed these to pdf AKTATTER: oh super thanks mimi! Mimi-TS: Exactly AK maria a. n s: when I do this my ds go the left side? Mimi-TS: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/FastEasy.pdf is the link Mimi-TS: I really like this display but I like Georgia's original lesson too AKTATTER: :) Mimi-TS: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/gssplitchain.html Mimi-TS: also available from lesson 5 AnneB TA-S: Jane have been "pdf-ing" lots of her files, and some have changed names AKTATTER: it will depend on which direction you are wrapping AKTATTER: truthfully Mimi-TS: I think I like Marie's best because she demonstrated it to me herself. She's so cute when she does that. Shanan from x.x.x.151 joined the chat 34 minutes ago Mimi-TS: Not that Georgia's not cute either :)) AKTATTER: I turn the work over and always work from left to tright Mimi-TS: But Richard isn't normally beaming over her shoulder when she demonstrates like Marie's husband was. Shanan: Shanan Strode Shanans3bs@yahoo.com Charleston, IL Cynthia T S N: I'M SURE HAVING SOME SOMEONE WALK YOU THRU IT ALWAYS MAKES IT EASIER AKTATTER: yes she taught me too, and her smile is the sweetest when you get it right! AKTATTER: lol AnneB TA-S: Hi Shanan! Cynthia T S N: WELCOME SHANAN WE ARE WORKING ON SPLIT CHAIN--SHUTTLE METHOD Shanan: Sorry I'm late. I'm under the weather Cynthia T S N: SORRY TO HEAR THAT AKTATTER: welcome shanan, lot of virus in the schools up in charleston and mattoon Linda-S: Hi Shanan! Sorry about that Mimi-TS: Here too, it's just that time of year BJ from x.x.x.141 joined the chat 33 minutes ago Shanan: Sore thoat and cough. Made me some hot tea and cheese potato soup and now I can chat AKTATTER: did you see the funeral procession this morning Shanan? BJ: beverly june davis beloyal1@comcast.net Silver City NM AKTATTER: It was very heartwarming AKTATTER: hi ya bj BJ: Hi AnneB TA-S: Hi bj BJ: hey all Flupigirl: I hope you feel better, Shanan. Cynthia T S N: HI BJ Linda-S: Hi Shanan: No, I have not been to town, was it for the soldier from Oakland? maria a. n s: sorry I have to go.. Cyntia could you please check my picture after you finish class? AKTATTER: yes the police officer killed in Iraq hundreds lined route 16 and 130 and 133 Cynthia T S N: OUR THOUGHTS GO OUT TO THE FAMILY maria a. n s: BY ! AKTATTER: see you next time marie AKTATTER: thanks Cynthia T S N: TAKE CARE MARIA AKTATTER: so any questions about that split chain? AnneB TA-S: bye Maria! maria a. n s: SMAK!!! for allsorry... Shanan: He has a lot of family in our church. Flupigirl: I need to clarify something. AKTATTER: :) Cynthia T S N: YES... BJ: mine just aren't consisten, takes practice...Jon's demonstration along with all marie's help was invaluable. Flupigirl: If I begin a pattern of rings, Flupigirl: and want to get out of it for another round, AnneB TA-S: I allwas have to do the split chains twice to make them look nice. Shanan: I'm going to read thru the lesson and see what I can pick up. I still need to work with SCMR so I'm a little behind Flupigirl: I begin the chain as I would normally? BJ: lol Flupigirl: I guess my work is on the back side because I am chaining? AKTATTER: right so far flu Cynthia T S N: EXTEND THE THREAD AND ATTACH IT TO WHERE YOU WANT IT TO END BJ: ???? AKTATTER: look for the picot that joins to the next round also, that is as far as you tat normal Flupigirl: Are lock and shuttle joins the same? Cynthia T S N: FOR A SPLIT CHAIN AKTATTER: question BJ? BJ: no...just read confusinly to me Flupigirl: Is that yes but only for a split chain? AKTATTER: shuttle lock join http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/shtljoin.html AKTATTER: if you join with the working shuttle flu then you are anchored, the tatting does not proceedbut must restart AKTATTER: OK? Flupigirl: I began making my chain with three ds. Then I pulled up a loop from the right circle (I actually came up through the circle) and put my shuttle through the loop. Flupigirl: After that I think I made more ds and then a mock picot. Sound right? Cynthia T S N: YES BUT DIDN'T YOU HAVE A PICOT TO JOIN TO? Flupigirl: I followed book by someone but I can't remember her name. All the links were confusing to me and I was determined to get the split chain. AKTATTER: chain tat 3 ds, anchor bare thread o nthe right with shuttle lock join, then WRAP three ds back to twhere you stopped and climb out thru the mock picot AKTATTER: if you agree then you got it! Cynthia T S N: OK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME. Flupigirl: I think I might understand Marie's method now. Flupigirl: think I did it right. Flupigirl: I wish I had you guys on Sat, Sun., And Monday. Cynthia T S N: WE ALL DO! Mimi-TS: To practice, here's a great pattern: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/KatiaSCFan.pdf Mimi-TS: I guarantee if you finish Katia's fan, you will only need a refresher (if that) the next time you need a split chain AKTATTER: oh that is such a pretty fan and a great exercise too Cynthia T S N: SOMEDAY WE NEED TO DO A GATHERING OF BEGINNING TATTERS AND LOTS OF GREAT HERLPERS.... AKTATTER: hey, isn't that what this is?? AKTATTER: :) Linda-S: :o) AnneB TA-S: :-) Cynthia T S N: YES BUT TO HAVE ALL THE AWESOME HELPERS IN PERSON...HANDS ON....WOULD BE INCREDIBLE Flupigirl: For projects like that, hoe much thread do you need to wind on the shuttle? Linda-S: I agree Flupigirl: I agree, Cynthia. AKTATTER: oh that gathering! That's called an IOLI convention or Palmetto Tat Days! Cynthia T S N: SEE SOME DAY WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT....NOT THIS WEEK.... Mimi-TS: Or Shuttlebirds in Spokane, or Hector... BJ: I've got a question about Katia's fan...a couple...Where does it START from? and doesit work clock wise or counter clockwise? Cynthia T S N: I THOUGHT THAT WAS FOR THOSE WHO WERE BETTER AT THESE SKILLS THAN ME,,,, AnneB TA-S: But there are non close to Tromsų... AKTATTER: that is were we go to learn and to share I always learn as much as anyone at the workshops. Mimi-TS: BJ you start with the ring then chain out AKTATTER: There is one in Germany and several conventionsin UK BJ: the workshops all have classes at different levels...from beg to adv Flupigirl: How much thread do you start with? BJ: so you are beginning AT THE BOTTOM of the fan AKTATTER: Well I am so glad you are getting along so well Mimi-TS: You could call it that I guess :) AKTATTER: Remember to come and join the regular Monday class when you "graduate" Cynthia T S N: THANKS AK Flupigirl: I duppode you use 2 shuttles. Dumb question. Mimi-TS: No idea the amount of thread... but it will take quite a bit of shuttle thread AKTATTER: thanks again to Mimi and Cynthia and allthe helpers AKTATTER: thanks for letting me lurk. Bye for now :) Mimi-TS: actually you can do this with shuttle and ball! Cynthia T S N: WELCOME...AK AKTATTER from x.x.x.9 left the chat 16 minutes ago Mimi-TS: Thanks for coming AK Flupigirl: Georgia, those projects are way over my head. BJ: Thanks for coming Georgia Flupigirl: Shuttle and ball, cool! AnneB TA-S: By Georgia! BJ: yes, but remember the ball would have to be small wouldn't it? AnneB TA-S: Bye Cynthia T S N: NO THEY AREN'T FLU....SHE WALKS US THRU THEM Linda-S: bye Georgia Mimi-TS: Advanced technique does not always mean "multiply the number of shuttles exponentially" :) Mimi-TS: Why BJ? The shuttle does all the work on split chains BJ: yes, but you do have to know various intermediate techniques to do adv class Cynthia T S N: NO AS IT IS JUST THE CHAINS THAT USE THE BALL YOU DON'T TAT WITH IT Mimi-TS: Split rings are a different ballgame, 2 shuttles required there BJ: i thought we were talking SR...aghhhhh BJ: ok, I'm 10 4 now Cynthia T S N: NOT A PROBLEM BJ YOU CAME IN WHILE WE WERE ON THE SPLIT CHAINS Flupigirl: OK I'm confused. For the fan, shuttle and ball is ok? Mimi-TS: Cynthia is there time to talk beads, or do we just do the "come to Monday class" pep talk including survival tips? Cynthia T S N: YES FLU Flupigirl: Oh yeah we are talking about split chains. Got ya. BJ: I haven't looked at that fan for quite a while. I didn't do it because i couldn't figure out where the starting point was or which direction I was working...crazy makers Cynthia T S N: I CAN STAY LATE AND DO BEADS OR WE COULD MEET NEXT WEEK TO DO BEADS AnneB TA-S: No extra neede for the advanced class BJ, Cynthia T S N: BJ, FLU ANYONE ELSE? Flupigirl: I would love to meet next week and do beads. BJ: usually i just do have the time to do adv class projects BJ: do not have the time Flupigirl: I am going to try that during the week. AnneB TA-S: only R, C, SR an the ocational SC and SSSR and you hav learned all (or most) here :-) Mimi-TS: Lesson 5A next week same time then? Cynthia T S N: YES FOR ME Flupigirl: What is an sssr? BJ: k Cynthia T S N: I'LL POST A NOTE ON NSAN... Flupigirl: Sounds wonderful to me. Thank you. AnneB TA-S: Single shuttle split ring - thay are fun! BJ: I don't have the SSSR as yet Linda-S: Yes for me too Mimi-TS: SSSR= single shuttle split ring and ANNE who is here today did a video!! Flupigirl: Where is that at? BJ: yes, I looked at that....it's great and i think I'd be able to do that now BJ: the one on E-Tatters? Cynthia T S N: EASIER THAN THE SPLIT RING! i MANAGED THE SSSR BUT AM STILL CHALLENGED BY THE SC AnneB TA-S: and youtube - just a moment Mimi-TS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQVpuZQ3h_c BJ: oh split rings are easiest for me...isn't that funny? AnneB TA-S: that's it Mimi :-) Mimi-TS: I'd call SSSR a rather advanced technique Mimi-TS: It's not used in many places BJ: me too BJ: kind of like split chains use em or loose em Mimi-TS: And has some limitations - but it can also help you get some really itnerestnig effects Mimi-TS: Bina Madden uses them in her work Shanan: I can manage the SSSR, but need to work on SCMR Mimi-TS: She hates to cut and tie too! Mimi-TS: Maybe we should include SCMR next week with beads Cynthia T S N: NOW THE PEP TALK...YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO THE ADVANCED CLASS ON MONDAYS 3 AND 8:30 eASTERN TIME.... BJ: finally conquered the SCMR AnneB TA-S: SCMR are fun too :-) Mimi-TS: We missed it the roginal lesson Mimi-TS: SCMR is the shuttle tatters way of making a needle tatted ring Flupigirl: I didn't even tackle the SCMR. Shanan: that would be great Cynthia T S N: THEY ARE EASIER THAN THE SPLIT RING.... SOMETHING ELSE FOR NEXT WEEK? AnneB TA-S: Thing of the SCMR as a chain Flupigirl: That would be great with me too> BJ: Cynthia, what time MOUNTAIN TIME in the eve is the beg class? Shanan: I think I get the SCH, at least in theory. Now I need to practice and see if I can get it to work Mimi-TS: BJ, it's 7pm for you, 6 pm for me BJ: I did ad a link for the SCH to jon's page BJ: oh ok that's why I was too early and missed it completely LOL Cynthia T S N: 8:30 eASTERN = 7:30 cENTRAL, 6:30 MOUNTAIN AND 5:30 PACIFIC Mimi-TS: BJ do you think Jon would mind if I posted a link here to her SCMR lesson? Cynthia T S N: SORRY I WAS THINKING ADVANCED CLASS...GO WITH MIMI'S TIMES//// BJ: I'd ask her, she is great to share... Mimi-TS: Jon's blog is http://tatsaway.blogspot.com/ Mimi-TS: Her medallion for today is an eye-popper BJ: i posted it on needles and shuttles...or.... BJ: She, jon, is a very nice person and such a good tatter and I love her tutorials. Mimi-TS: And her tatting is very inspirational Cynthia T S N: ALL THE PEOPLE I'VE EVER ASKED SAID WE COULD POST ANYTHING WE WANTED TO JUST GIVE THEM CREDIT...OF COURSE WE WOULD! BJ: Between jon and Mimi I did get the split chain....but need to practice Cynthia T S N: ME TO0 BJ BJ: oh and janey helped me a lot tooo Mimi-TS: I do like to ask first, but her blog is public so anyone who wants to can search for it while I ask her... BJ: good idea Cynthia T S N: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ADJOURN TO CHAT OR GO? BJ: there are so many good tutorials out there by Jane, Mark, Jon, Sharon et al that I don't bother on my blog...just refer BJ: no questions from New mexico Cynthia T S N: JANE AND MARK HAVE SAID WE COULD POST ANY OF THEIRS ON NSAN Cynthia T S N: BJ WILL YOU BE AT KINGFISHER THIS SATURDAY? BJ: no, I'm bedridden, I don't get to travel Cynthia T S N: SORRY I HAD A BRAIN BLANK...I REMEMBER THAT! BJ: takes a lot of planning, oxygen equipment blah blah blah BJ: LOL that's okay Linda-S: no questions from Maryland BJ: that's why my tatting students come to me Cynthia T S N: I UNDERSTAND....MY DAUGHTER HAS TO HAVE OXYGEN AT NIGHT Mimi-TS: Time for me to go back to work Mimi-TS: Thanks all for coming! Cynthia T S N: TRAVELING IS A CHALLENGE BJ: bye Mimi.... BJ: by all AnneB TA-S: Bye Mimi! Shanan: I think I am good, but need a nap to clear my head... Linda-S: bye Mimi Mimi-TS: Cynthia please think about when you'd like to start the next set of lessons from the beginning Flupigirl: Thank you everyone. Mimi-TS: Maybe March 5 or 12 to take a week offf... Cynthia T S N: i WAS THINKING A 2 WEEK BREAK.... Mimi-TS: So March 12? Cynthia T S N: THE 12TH SOUNDS GOOD Mimi-TS: OK let's check with Jane tonight Mimi-TS: Then I can put the changes on the main page of the website Flupigirl: Bye everyone. Cynthia T S N: SOUNDS GOOD. Mimi-TS: Including lesson 5"A" Shanan: Bye Flupi Mimi-TS: Have a good rest of the day, see you tonight Linda-S: bye everyone Mimi-TS from x.x.x.11 left the chat 11 seconds ago ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com