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stitchingsharon from x.x.x.16 joined the chat 71 minutes ago
stitchingsharon: hello! I made it to class tonight!
Mimi-TS from x.x.x.11 joined the chat 65 minutes ago
Cynthia from x.x.x.211 joined the chat 65 minutes ago
stitchingsharon: Hello Mimi and Cynthia. I was beginning to think I was in class by myself
Cynthia: you are
Cynthia: and now there are a couple more
Mimi-TS: Cynthia, I'm still at work. So I'm afraid I'll need to leave promptly at 7 so that I can go home and start dinner.
Margaret from x.x.x.158 joined the chat 63 minutes ago
Mimi-TS: Would it be better if you were primary teacher tonight then?
Margaret: Mimi-TS, is that you MIMI?
Linda-S from x.x.x.7 joined the chat 62 minutes ago
Linda-S: hi
Cynthia: I can be but I don't think I did a very good  job this afternoon...
Mimi-TS: That's me... in the afternoon class we talked about adding in what kind of tatting we did. I Teach Shuttle :)
Margaret: Cynthia, how do I change my colour now that I am in?  (two of us have aqau)
Cynthia: let me check
Mimi-TS from x.x.x.11 changed name to Mimi-S 61 minutes ago
Mimi-S: Oooh I didn't think I could but I did!
Mimi-S: Here's how
Mimi-S: I clicked "My Preferences" on the left-hand side of the screen
Cynthia: click on "my preferences" and change it
Mimi-S: It's the 2nd one down on the 2nd set of 4
stitchingsharon: k
Margaret from x.x.x.158 changed name to Margaret-N&S 60 minutes ago
Margaret-N&S: now I am a bit brigher
Margaret-N&S: must phone Mom before I get started
stitchingsharon: are you putting beside your name whether you are a needle or shuttle tatter?
Margaret-N&S: currently very frustrated over misplaced papers
Mimi-S: That's right Sharon
Cynthia from x.x.x.211 sent out 1 invitation(s) 59 minutes ago
stitchingsharon: Ok, let me do that. Miss a few classes and ya'll change stuff
Cynthia: no it started today...
stitchingsharon from x.x.x.16 changed name to stitchingsharon S 58 minutes ago
Cynthia: Jane is trying to get in I'll check and see if she got the message
Tammy from x.x.x.251 joined the chat 57 minutes ago
stitchingsharon S: I can see why, I tried reading a recent class log, confused me with the needle tatting being so different
Cynthia from x.x.x.211 sent out 1 invitation(s) 57 minutes ago
Tammy: Did I miss sign in?
Cynthia: no
Tammy: oh good
Cynthia from x.x.x.211 changed name to Cynthia N & S T 56 minutes ago
Margaret-N&S: Mimi, things have been so hectic that I haven't learned lock join yet nor did I have a chance to look at the round robin for beginners
Tammy from x.x.x.251 changed name to Tammy N-S 55 minutes ago
Margaret-N&S: nor this week's lesson although I have done split rings in needle in last session
Tammy N-S: I can do split rings in needle, but still having trouble with the shuttle
Cynthia N & S T: Mimi Jane can't get in and my e-mails to her are bouncing
Mimi-S: How odd, does she say why she can't get in? Internet problems?
Mimi-S: She's on the Visitor List?
Tammy N-S: I had trouble last week earlier in the evening, but then fell asleep before class
Cynthia N & S T: no just that it won't let her in...weird it says she left 5 mins ago in the visitor list
jane armstrong from x.x.x.63 joined the chat 51 minutes ago
jane armstrong: i got in...
Tammy N-S: Welcome Jane
jane armstrong: whew...jane armstrong, chapel hill, nc, stujane82@embarqmail.com
stitchingsharon S: welcome Jane
Mimi-S: Yay!
Cynthia N & S T: Georgia has been doing the sign in a bit differently...name and location and e-mail if you want
Cynthia N & S T: Hi Jane glad you made it
Mimi-S: Shall we get started then?
jane armstrong: Thanks for helping....
Mimi-S: LET'S SIGN IN
Cynthia N & S T: shall we get started
Cynthia N & S T: (great minds...)
Mimi-S: MIMI DILLMAN, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, Everett, WA (right now anyway)
Tammy N-S: Tammy Bowser, Strongstown, PA  tisgingy@msn.com
Linda-S: Linda Harrington, l_m_harrington@yahoo.com, Largo, MD
Cynthia N & S T: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK brasthatfit@yahoo.com
stitchingsharon S: Sharon Fawns Hillsboro Kentucky USA stitchingsharon@hughes.net  shuttle tatter
Lisa from x.x.x.123 joined the chat 49 minutes ago
Margaret-N&S: Margaret I. Boos, London, Ontario, CANADA needle (and shuttle)
Margaret-N&S: Mimi, are you moving?
Lisa: Lisa Spokane, WA
Mimi-S: OK I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO APPROACH TONIGHT'S SESSION
Mimi-S: WE ONLY MADE IT PART WAY THROUGH LESSON 3
Mimi-S: AND LESSON 4 IS A BIGGIE, SPLIT RINGS
Cynthia N & S T: THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE PROBLEM EARLIER...
Mimi-S: SHOULD WE JUST START AS WE USUALLY DO, ANSWERING LEFTOVER QUESTIONS FROM LESSON 3
Mimi-S: THEN THOSE QUESTIONS COULD DRIVE OUT WHO NEEDS HELP WITH THE REMAINDER OF LESSON 3?
jane armstrong: good idea, mimi
Cynthia N & S T: YES
Mimi-S: LESSON 3: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson3.html
Mimi-S: LOCK JOINS, SLT, TATTING WITH 2 COLORS, RINGS OFF CHAINS AND SCMR (BONUS PART REALLY)
Mimi-S: SO ANY QUESTIONS LEFT OVER FROM LESSON 3?
Mimi-S: HMM IT'S VERY QUIET DOES THAT MEAN "JUST GO ON MIMI"
Margaret-N&S: and I didn't get the chance to work on lesson 3  or 4 at all
Mimi-S: THEN JUST FOLLOW ALONG MARGARET, WE CAN CATCH YOU UP LATER
stitchingsharon S: I'm good
Cynthia N & S T: MARGARET YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE LOCK STITCH AND WE CAN CHAT LATER AS WELL
Linda-S: I'm good with lesson 3
Lisa: I am just going to watch and see how to proceed.
Mimi-S: IN THAT CASE, TONIGHT'S LESSON IS LESSON 4 http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson4.html
Mimi-S: THIS IS PROBABLY MY FAVORITE LESSON: SPLIT RINGS
Lisa: ok
Cynthia N & S T: DOES EVERYONE KNOW THE MAGIC THREAD TRICK?
Margaret-N&S: in the heart pattern, I don't get how to proceed past ring D
Mimi-S: BY NOW YOU'RE GETTING MORE OF THE IDEA OF TATTING WITH 2 SHUTTLES, YOU'VE REALLY ARRIVED.
Mimi-S: NOW WE GET TO THE FUN STUFF THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO MORE THAN "JUST YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S TATTING"
Mimi-S: SPLIT RINGS ARE A NEWER INVENTION
Cynthia N & S T: MARGARET WE CAM DO THAT AFTER CLASS IF YOU HAVE TIME
Mimi-S: ALTHOUGH KNOWN IN THE 30'S, IT WAS ANOTHER 40  MORE YEARS BEFORE THEY BECAME MORE KNOWN
Mimi-S: SPLIT RINGS CAN BE USED AT LEAST 2 VERY DIFFERENT WAYS
Cynthia N & S T: ANNE ORR DID THEM THE EARLIEST
Mimi-S: 1. AS A DESIGN ELEMENT (THEY'RE PRETTY SOMETIMES)
Cynthia N & S T: CHECK THE FILES FOR A NEAT PAPER
Mimi-S: THAT'S RIGHT CYNTHIA, IN THE 30'S. THEN DORA YOUNG ALSO DEVELOPED A WAY ABOUT THAT TIME TOO.
Mimi-S: BUT MARY SUE KUHN PUBLISHED A BOOK IN THE 70'S
Margaret-N&S: I don't have time as I am having company at 10:30 am and didn'clean while searching for those papers
Cynthia N & S T: OK MAYBE TOMORROW?
Mimi-S: 2. USED FOR CLIMBING FROM ONE ROUND TO THE NEXT ROUND WITHOUT STOPPING TO TIE AND CUT THREADS
stitchingsharon S: k
Mimi-S: I DID PROMISE YOU A WAY TO AVOID THAT DRATTED TWISTED JOIN IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES
Mimi-S: WELL, THIS IS IT!!
Mimi-S: FIRST, NEEDLE TATTERS CAN ACCOMPLISH SPLIT RINGS EASILY
Mimi-S: (AS USUAL IT'S EASIER WITH THE NEEDLE)
Mimi-S: First step: make the first half by casting on stitches as normal on the pointed end of your needle.
Mimi-S: 2nd step: unthread your needle turn it until the eye end is facing the way your pointed end would do,
Mimi-S: then cast on the stitches for the second half of the ring onto the eye end using the thread end.
Mimi-S: Remember, since you have turned the work over, cast on the second half of the double stitch first then the first half of the double stitch second.
Mimi-S: THERE, I LOVE CUT AND PASTE :)
Mimi-S: ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE NEEDLE TATTING CONTINGENT BEFORE I GO ON TO SHUTTLE
Mimi-S: OK THEN FOR SHUTTLE
Tammy N-S: I am good on needle, lost on the shuttle
Cynthia N & S T: AFTER THAT YOU HAVE TO RETHREAD YOUR NEEDLE AND PULL IT ON THRU TO CLOSE THE RING
Mimi-S: FIRST OFF, THERE WAS A BROKEN LINK IN LESSON 4 UNTIL NOW
Mimi-S: THANKS CYNTHIA, WE NEED TO AMEND THE LESSON!!
Mimi-S: FOR THE BROKEN LINK IT WAS TO JANE'S INSTRUCTIONS
Mimi-S: I FIXED IT THIS AFTERNOON
Mimi-S: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/SplitRings.pdf IS THE CORRECTED LINK
Mimi-S: JANE E. DID SOME HOUSECLEANING ON HER WEBSITE AND IN THE PROCESS BROKE EVERY LAST LINK TO HER SITE THAT WE HAD
Mimi-S: SO I HAD TO DO SOME QUICK HOUSECLEANING TOO LOL
jane armstrong: :-)
Mimi-S: WHERE DO YOU GET LOST TAMMY?
Margaret-N&S: k
stitchingsharon S: k
Mimi-S: YOU'LL NEED TO USE 2 SHUTTLES
Tammy N-S: I am having trouble putting two shuttles together.
Mimi-S: YOU TAT THE FIRST HALF OF THE SPLIT RING AS USUAL, USING SHUTTLE 1 TO MAKE THE RING AROUND YOUR HAND THEN FLIPPING THE FIRST PART OF THE STITCHES
Mimi-S: TIE A KNOT IN THE THREADS? OR IS IT A MENTAL DIFFICULTY THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON?
Tammy N-S: lol, it is mental
Tammy N-S: When
Tammy N-S: oops
Cynthia N & S T: YOU ONLY USE 1 SHUTTLE AT A TIME
Tammy N-S: W
Mimi-S: I WAS AFRAID OF THAT :) IT'S HARD TO GET USED TO USING 2 AND REMEMBERING WHICH IS WHICH
Mimi-S: I HOPE YOU HAVE 2 SHUTTLES OF DIFFERENT COLORS OR TYPES? OR AT LEAST WOUND WITH DIFFERENT COLOR THEADS?
Lisa: How many ds do you want us to make?
Cynthia N & S T: 5
Mimi-S: THE LESSON'S EXERCISE CALLS FOR A SPLIT RING OF 5-5/5-5
Tammy N-S: Do you make a circle around the hand and start with one shuttle, then do I make a circle around hand with second shuttle and continue switching?
Lisa: ty
Mimi-S: THAT MEANS 5 DS, PICOT, 5DS WITH SHUTTLE
Mimi-S: THE FORMER TAMMY
Tammy N-S: I do have two different
Mimi-S: PICK UP SHUTTLE 1 AND LET SHUTTLE 2 DANGLE
Tammy N-S: colors
Cynthia N & S T: OK WE CAN DO THE EXERCISE
Mimi-S: USE SHUTTLE 1 TO START THE RIN
Mimi-S: RING
Margaret-N&S: k
Tammy N-S: k
jane armstrong: the / means it is split ring
stitchingsharon S: k
Tammy N-S: I think I just need to keep practicing
Mimi-S: MAKING THE CIRCLE OF THREAD OVER YOUR LEFT HAND AS USUAL
Mimi-S: THEN KEEPING THAT SAME SHUTTLE 1 IN YOUR RIGHT HAND
Mimi-S: TAT 5 DS, P, 5 DS,THEN PUT DOWN SHUTTLE 1
jane armstrong: initially you have to keep talking through each step...
Mimi-S: EVERYONE CATCHIGN UP?
Tammy N-S: k
Linda-S: yes
Mimi-S: AND WHAT ARE YOU SAYING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING JANE lol
Mimi-S: OK NOW YOU HAVE A PARTIAL RING ON YOUR LEFT HAND
jane armstrong: :-)
Mimi-S: SHUTTLE 1 IS DANGLING
Tammy N-S: ok, got that part
Mimi-S: SHUTTLE 2 IS IN YOUR RIGHT HAND READY TO TAT
jane armstrong: do not flip, Jane, do not flip
Mimi-S: YOU'LL NEED TO CHANGE THE ORIENTATION OF YOUR LEFT HAND
Mimi-S: ROTATE YOUR WRIST SO THAT YOUR PALM FACES UP
Tammy N-S: thats what gets me`~~~
Mimi-S: AND YOUR FINGERS ARE POINTING TO THE CEILING
Cynthia N & S T: SO THE FINGERS ARE UP
Mimi-S: LIKE THE LEGS OF A DEAD SPIDER LOL
Tammy N-S: lol
Mimi-S: (THAT'S WHY WE CALL THIS THE DEAD SPIDER POSITION)
stitchingsharon S: k
Mimi-S: YOU'RE GOING TO TAT *NON-FLIPPED* DS'S NOW
jane armstrong: first time I heard that one!
Mimi-S: REALLY JANE?
Mimi-S: WELL WE USE IT A LOT HERE!!
Mimi-S: I ONCE COULD SAY IT IN SPANISH TOO BUT I FORGOT :-(
jane armstrong: I guess I will have to visit your neck of the woods.
Cynthia N & S T: THE *NON-FLIPPED* ARE ALSO KNOWN AS WRAPPED
Mimi-S: ANYHOW THE NON-FLIPPED STITCHES NEED TO BE TIED ONTO THE THREAD
Margaret-N&S: I tatted split rings in both shuttle and needle and really need the time tonight so will sign out now.
Mimi-S: THAT'S ON YOUR LEFT HAND GOING BETWEEN YOUR PINCH AND PINKY
Mimi-S: THANKS FOR COMING MARGARET, TAKE CARE
Tammy N-S: I think that is what confuses me, I worked so hard to get the "flip"
Cynthia N & S T: OK MARGARET...SORRY WE DIDN'T CONNECT
Margaret-N&S: catch you when I can, Cynthia
Mimi-S: YES TAMMY, THAT'S THE HARDEST PART TO GET
Cynthia N & S T: OK
Mimi-S: YOU HAD TO PUSH YOURSELF SO HARD TO FLIP FLIP FLIP
Tammy N-S: so true
Mimi-S: NOW IT'S A FOREIGN CONCEPT TO NOT FLIP!
Margaret-N&S: just so you know -- doctor took me off work for at least one week more at this time
Mimi-S: THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE DEAD SPIDER POSITION
Cynthia N & S T: AND NOW THINK WRAP WRAP WRAP
stitchingsharon S: That NOT flipping was the hardest part for me.
jane armstrong: right, but once you say no flip, no flip...you will be fine
Tammy N-S: I will remember that
Mimi-S: THE LEFT HAND IS DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT SO THAT WAY I KNOW TO BE GENTLE
Cynthia N & S T: ARE YOU FEELING BETTER?
Mimi-S: AND NOT FLIP
Mimi-S: I USE SHUTTLE 2 TO MAKE THE 2ND HALF OF THE DS AND NOT FLIP WHEN TENSIONNIG
Tammy N-S: ok will try talking to myself and looking at dead spiders
Mimi-S: LOLOL
Tammy N-S: rofl
Margaret-N&S: no -- pain pill prescription as the extra-strength tylenol and ibuprofen didn't work
Mimi-S: THEN I MAKE THE 1ST HALF OF THE DS, TENSIONING BUT NOT FLIPPING
Mimi-S: THAT MAKES ONE FULL DS
stitchingsharon S: whatever works for you
Mimi-S: MAKE 5 TOTAL OF THESE, THEN LEAVE A PICOT
Mimi-S: ALSO A BIT TRICKY WHEN YOU'RE TYING/WRAPPING NONFLIPPED STITCHES INSTEAD OF FLIPPING
Margaret-N&S: bye
Mimi-S: BUT YOU  CAN DO IT!!
jane armstrong: chuckling in nc...if anyone reads the dialogue...they will wonder who was flipping!
Mimi-S: WE'VE ALL FLIPPED OUT OF COURSZE
Cynthia N & S T: WE ALL ARE!!!!!!!!!!!
jane armstrong: :-)
Mimi-S: THEN MAKE 5 MORE NON-FLIPPED DS TO COMPLETE THE STITCHES NEEDED FOR THE RING
Mimi-S: EVERYONE NOT FLIPPING NOW/
Mimi-S: ?
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Tammy N-S: rofl, my husband is looking at me wondering if I lost it   again
Mimi-S: THIS IS WHY TONIGHT IS MY FAVORITE LESSON, SO MUCH POSSIBILITY FOR PUNS AND HUMOR
Mimi-S: HELPS US GET THROUGH THE *!#@!?! OF LEARNING NOT TO FLIP
Cynthia N & S T: OOOOOHHHHHHHH WE ARE AT IT TONIGHT
stitchingsharon S: I found it easier to do the wrapped stitches by making the half stitch, then sort of walking it over to where it needed to sit,
Linda-S: I did the same thing too
Cynthia N & S T: WHAT EVER TECHNIQUE WORKS...WE ALL DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY
Mimi-S: GREAT TIP, THANKS SHARON.  HELPS AVOID UNINTENTIONAL FLIP
Mimi-S: TAMMY STILL WRAPPING?
Lisa: wrapped stitches????
Mimi-S: TJAT
Tammy N-S: Yes, it is easier for me to think needle, don`t flip
Cynthia N & S T: WHEN MAKING THE SPLIT RNG
Mimi-S: THAT'S RIGHT LISA, ANOTHER WAY TO SAY "NON FLIPPED:
Mimi-S: SAME WITH "TYING"
Lisa: ok
Tammy N-S: this will take a while
stitchingsharon S: Is Direct tatting another term for that?
Tammy N-S: I have to stop and think hard before each stitch
Mimi-S: YES SHARON, YOU MAY HEAR DIRECT METHOD TATTING AS WELL
jane armstrong: right
Mimi-S: IT'S VERY SLOW ISN'T IT TAMMY
Cynthia N & S T: IT DOES BUT WHEN YOU GET IT ....IT IS SO USEFUL!
Tammy N-S: Yes, slow, but will work
Cynthia N & S T: YEAH
stitchingsharon S: it gets quicker with practice
Mimi-S: ONCE YOU'VE FINISHED THE 2ND HALF OF THE RING OF 5 DS, P, 5 DS YOU CLOSE THE RING --- BUT!
jane armstrong: good job!
Mimi-S: BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU CLOSE
Cynthia N & S T: THE 2ND HALF OF A SPLIT RING STILL TAKES ME LONGER THAN THE FIRST HALF
Mimi-S: BEFORE CLOSING PICK UP SHUTTLE 1 (DROP SHUTTLE 2)
Mimi-S: AND PULL *ONLY* ON SHUTTLE1
Tammy N-S: k
Cynthia N & S T: GENTLY AND SLOWLY KEEPING THE RING EFFECT
Mimi-S: IF YOU PULLED ON SHUTTLE 2 YOU WOULD FLIP THE STITCH AND MAKE A KNOT THAT STOPS THE CORE THREAD SLIDING
Mimi-S: NO NEED TO PANIC THEN, JUST LOOSEN THE KNOT AND READJUST
Cynthia N & S T: INSTEAD OF A TEARDROP
Mimi-S: ONCE YOU COMPLETE THE RING CLOSING
Mimi-S: YOU'LL FIND THAT THE RING HAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERETN SHAPE THAN USUAL
Mimi-S: TEARDROP POINT IS TO THE TOP
Mimi-S: WHERE BOTH THREADS LEAVE
Mimi-S: RINGS ARE NORMALLY TEARDROP TO THE BOTTOM (WHERE IT STARTED)
Mimi-S: YOU CAN ADJUST THE SHAPE A BIT WITH YOUR FINGERS BEFOR GOING ONE
Mimi-TS: BEFORE GOING ON (JEEPERS WHAT TYPOS)
Mimi-TS: I WANT TO MENTION THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE THREADS EXIT AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THE RING THAN WHERE THEY CAME IN
Cynthia N & S T: JUST A LITTLE TYPO BUG-ING US TONIGHT
Mimi-TS: THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE SPLIT RING A TOOL FOR CLIMBING FROM ONE ROW TO THE NEXT
Mimi-TS: YOU GET THEM OUT FROM THE CENTER AND IN POSITION TO BETTER GET TO THE  NEXT'S ROUND'S TATTING
Mimi-TS: USUALLY, THOUGH, YOU WILL NED TO COMPLETE THIS 'BRIDGE' TO THE NEXT ROW
Mimi-TS: WITH WHAT WE CALL A "MOCK PICOT"
stitchingsharon S: k
Mimi-TS: A MOCK PICOT IS SIMPLY LEAVING A BARE THREAD SPACE ON BOTH SHUTTLES THAT WILL LOOK LIKE A PICOT WHEN YOU DO THE NEXT TATTED ELEMENT AFTER IT
Mimi-TS: IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE THREAD SPACE (IT COULD GET SUCKED INTO A FOLLOWING CHAIN DURING TENSIONING LATER)
Mimi-TS: YOU WILL NEED TO MAKE A LOCK STITCH
Mimi-TS: To make a lock stitch, shuttle tatters will flip the first half of the stitch, but will not flip the second half. Needle tatters will tie a knot.
Mimi-TS: ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MOCK PICOTS?
Mimi-TS: OK THEN LET'S LOOK AT THE FIRST HOMEWORK PATTERN, A GREAT ILLUSTRATION OF BOTH
Mimi-TS: SPLIT RINGS FOR CLIMBING OUT AND SPLIT RINGS FOR DECORATION
Mimi-TS: DID YOU ALL CHECK OUT http://web.archive.org/web/20080131064742/http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art5541.asp
Mimi-TS: ?
Linda-S: yes
Tammy N-S: I am definetely not that far. I looked and laughed
Mimi-TS: FIRST OFF, THERE IS A TYPO IN THE PATTERN
Lisa: yes
stitchingsharon S: k
Cynthia N & S T: TAMMY IT IS EASIER THAN YOU THINK....REALLY
Mimi-TS: I AMENDED LESSON 4'S TEXT WITH WHAT YOU'LL NEED TO CORRECT IF YOU PRINT IT OUT:
Mimi-TS: It should start out SH2 C 6 DS, tiny P, 4 (not 6) DS
Tammy N-S: I will give it a try after I work on this dead spider
Mimi-TS: SORRY, TYPO IS STEP 8 AND  It should start out SH2 C 6 DS, tiny P, 4 (not 6) DS
Linda-S: it does get easier the more you do it
stitchingsharon S: Not so hard when you take it one step at a time
Mimi-TS: THE PATTERN GOES IN THE FOLLOWING STEPS
Mimi-TS: YOU START OUT MAKING A FLOWER OF 8 RINGS IN THE CENTER
Tammy N-S: thanks for you encouragement, I am sure I will get it, just sometimes things take me awhile
Mimi-TS: BUT YOU MAKE THE 8TH AND LAST RING BE A *SPLIT RING*!
Lisa: right there with you, Tammy
Mimi-TS: THAT WAY, YOUR 2 SHUTTLES END UP ON THE OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF THE INSIDE
Mimi-TS: AND YOU AVOIDED THE DREADED FOLDED JOIN!
Mimi-TS: UNFORTUNATELY YOU REPLACED IT WITH THE JOIN ON THE 2ND SIDE OF A SPLIT RING, BUT THOSE ARE EASIER.
Mimi-TS: THE PATTERN EXPLAINS THAT JOIN
Mimi-TS: Hold the core thread of the Split Ring taut just behind the picot to which you are joining. The Shuttle 2 thread (which you are joining from) will be on TOP of the work to the LEFT of this picot.
Mimi-TS: Pull a loop through the picot from the core thread of the Split Ring. Don't twist it!
Mimi-TS: Put your Shuttle 2 through the loop.
Mimi-TS: Carefully draw the loop from the core thread of the split ring back through the picot, taking the thread from Shuttle 2 with it.
Mimi-TS: Tighten carefully, then make the second half of the unflipped double stitch.
Mimi-TS: OK IT TAKES A LOT OF WORDS, BUT ONCE YOU SEE IT WORK, IT MAKES MORE SENSE
Mimi-TS: AT LEAST YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLD YOUR WORK AND THE OTHER CONTORTIONS :)
Lisa: :*)
Mimi-TS: AFTER THIS SPLIT RING, YOU'LL MAKE A MOCK PICOT FOLLOWED BY THE LOCK STITCH. THEN YOU'RE READY TO MAKE THE FIRST CHAIN.
Mimi-TS: YOU'LL HAVE TO STOP THE CHAIN IN THE MIDDLE TO MAKE A SPLIT RING
Mimi-TS: AFTER THIS SPLIT RING, DO *NOT* MAKE A MOCK PICOT
Mimi-TS: JUST GO STRAIGHT TO THE CHAIN
Mimi-TS: A MOCK PICOT WOULD MAKE THE RESULT FLOPPY
stitchingsharon S: k
Mimi-TS: AT THE END OF THE CHAIN, YOU'LL MAKE A LOCK JOIN TO THE PICOT OF THE NEXT RING IN THE FLOWER BELOW
Mimi-TS: REMEMBER LOCK JOINS?
Cynthia N & S T: SO BOTH ENDS OF THE DECORATIVE RING LOOK THE SAME
Mimi-TS: THEN MAKE THE NEXT CHAIN, STOPPING FIRST TO JOIN TO THE PREVIOUS CHAIN, THEN AFTER A FEW MORE DS'S, STOPPING FOR THE SPLIT RING, BEFORE YOU CAN FINISH THE CHAIN.
Cynthia N & S T: BE SURE TO TRY THIS FIRST WITH GOOD BIG THREAD SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING MORE EASILY
Mimi-TS: CONTINUE AROUND IN THIS SAME MANNER - BUT THE LAST CHAIN WILL JOIN TWICE, ONCE TO THE CHAIN BEFORE IT, THEN TO THE FIRST CHAIN AS YOU HEAD BACK TO THE CENTER
Mimi-TS: IT'S AN EXCELLENT PATTERN
Mimi-TS: THAT'S WHY I WENT TO THE TROUBLE TO FIND IT IN THE WAYBACK MACHINE
Mimi-TS: AND PUT UP WITH THAT STINKIN' TYPO LOL
Mimi-TS: I WISH I'D HAVE THOUGHT A YEAR AGO TO PUT THE NOTE IN THE LESSON TO TELL STUDENTS TO CORRECT THEIR COPY. SIGH.
Tammy N-S: ok, I am going to work on that this week and get it made if it kills me!!!  lol
Linda-S: 7. reads sh1 8 ds/sh2 2ds, 3 p sep by 2 ds, 2 ds, cl. sr.  There are 8 ds's on one side.  how many are on the other side?  8 or 10?
jane armstrong: you will do it, Tammy
Cynthia N & S T: SEVERAL OF THEM AROUND THE NECK OF A SWEAT SHIRT ARE A PRETTY ADDITION
Tammy N-S: I know I will Jane    :)
Mimi-TS: 8 TAMMY
Mimi-TS: 2 - 2 - 2 - 2
Mimi-TS: SORRY, LINDA IT'S 8!
Mimi-TS: AND BY THE TIME YOU'VE MADE THESE 9 SPLIT RINGS, YOU'LL BE A LOT MORE SURE OF YOURSELEF
Linda-S: Ok, thanks.
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Mimi-TS: THE OTHER HOMEWORK PATTERN HAS ONLY 1 SPLIT RING
Mimi-TS: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/av3/valeiresquare.html
Cynthia N & S T: AND FIND THEM VERY EASY
Lisa: Where did the 2=2=2=2 come from
Mimi-TS: I ENCOURAGE YOU TO AT LEAST READ THROUGH IT FOR NOW
Mimi-TS: IT WILL BE A NICE ONE TO REFER TO IN LESSON 5
Mimi-TS: 2-2-2-2 IS A DIFFERENT WAY TO SAY "2 DS, 3P SEP BY 2DS, 2 DS"
Tammy N-S: ok, thanks for all your help tonight
Cynthia N & S T: LISA ON THE http://web.archive.org/web/20080131064742/http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art5541.asp  PATTERN
Mimi-TS: THANKS FOR COMING TAMMY, I HOPE TO HEAR NEXT WEEK YOU DID A SUCCESSFUL SPLIT RING
Tammy N-S: I get up at 4am, so need to head to bed
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Tammy N-S: I will get it Mimi!
jane armstrong: night, tammy
Tammy N-S: good night all
Mimi-TS: LISA, THERE ARE SOME GREAT LINKS IN LESSON 1 THAT TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT NOTATIONS FOR APTTERNS
Tammy N-S: You are great teachers
Cynthia N & S T: GOOD NIGHT TAMMY YOU'LL GET IT...HAVE A GOOD SLEEP
Mimi-TS: THANKS ALL FOR COMING - PLEASE LOOK OVER LESSON 5 BEFORE NEXT WEEK!
Tammy N-S: I will
Mimi-TS: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/lesson5.html
Mimi-TS: WE'
Mimi-TS: WE
jane armstrong: gotta run, too...I am teaching a decluttering class tomorrow
Mimi-TS: WE WILL BEND YOUR MIND NEXT WEEK (IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY)
Cynthia N & S T: I KNOW MINI NEEDS TO GO...ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER
stitchingsharon S: Thanks for another great learning experience.
Mimi-TS: BUT IF YOU FOLLOWED THIS LESSON, YOU'RE WELL ON YOUR WAY
stitchingsharon S: goodnight all
Mimi-TS: ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU CYNTHIA BEFORE I RUN?
Cynthia N & S T: MIMI YOU DO SUCH A GOOD JOB I LEARN HOW TO TEACH  BETTER FROM YOU
Cynthia N & S T: EVERY TIME
Mimi-TS: thank you (blush)
Lisa: Thank you
Cynthia N & S T: I CAN STAY AWHILE IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS
Lisa: for the lesson
Linda-S: no, I'm OK now.  Cynthia - You did a great job earlier.
Mimi-TS: You help clarify when I skip over something in haste, pointing out steps I forgot or ignored by mistake
Mimi-TS: Cynthia (and Jane too is she's still here) we need to think about scheduling the next set of lessons
Cynthia N & S T: THANKS (BLUSH) LINDA....
Mimi-TS: We can email over the next week
Cynthia N & S T: WE WORK TOGETHER...ALL THE HELPERS DO
Linda-S: <smile>
Cynthia N & S T: SURE MIMI
Mimi-TS: Yes you did Cynthia. You'll get more confidence with practice
Mimi-TS: Meantime thanks again everyone. I'm signing off now to harvest/post the log and go home
Cynthia N & S T: THANKS  (BRIGHT BLUSHING) i APPRECIATE THAT.
Mimi-TS: Happy Flip - no Flip = ing
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Lisa: How many gals were present this evening? Also what are the initials after the names?
Linda-S: Thanks!! Bye. lol