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Notes on Buddhist yoga and nagualism

Victor Klimov, 1999.

27.11.1999: Click
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Studying buddhist yoga and other kinds of yoga practice and the teaching of Don Juan (nagualism), I've found interesting correspondencies.

It seems possibile e.g. to find correspondencies in terminology. The following table presents the corresponding terms.

Correspondent terms in buddhist yoga and nagualism
Nagualism terms Buddhist terms
Sanskrit Tibetan
Transcription Transliteration
stopping the internal dialoguenirvikalpanampar mitokparnam-par mi-rtog-pa
unbending intentekargatsechikrtse-gcig
stalkingjnanamudraeshekyi chakgyaye-shes-kyi phyag-rgya
spiritsarvadharma-shunyatachekyun tongpanyichos-kun stong-pa nyid
silent knowledgeprajnaparamitasherap pharchinshes-rab pharphyin


Kinesthetic submodalities and magic

Don Juan says:

Your assemblage point can move by itself. You can intend the movement by manipulating certain feelings and in so doing your assemblage point can reach the position of silent knowledge.

Translated into NLP-speak: the so called "magical" states can be achieved by manipulating kinesthetic submodalities.


The buddhist void

Don Juan recommends to pay attention to unusual. For example, he emphasizes the importance of paying attention to shadows, recommends to direct attention to spaces between the leaves of a tree e.t.c.

Could it be so that such kind of exercises forms a habit of paying attention to background and spaces? Having such a habit one could in the internal world direct one's attention to the silent, empty, space-like background on or in which the internal constructs (time-lines, DHE control structures, visualizations, even constructed audio objects) appear. Could it be that this silent, empty, space-like background is the famous buddhist shunyta, the void, the so called "true nature of the mind"?


The assemblage point

The assemblage point could probably be described as a point in a multidimentional coordinate space where some of the coordinates are some key perception submodalities. When a key submodality changes the points moves.


The role of lucid dreaming in nagualism.

Lucid dreaming in nagualism (aka the teaching of Don Juan) is considered to be a process of awakening, of gaining control. It is is used for recollecting hidden memories, for learning to control the so called second attention, for reconditioning of energetic capabilities of perception and to gain "power".

The first step to power is to have a precise and practical command over the general situation of a dream. In order to get used to such control one has to learn to look at one's hands in a lucid dream. The goal of the exercise is engaging the so called "dreaming attention".

It is advised to do lucid dreaming with integrity and seriousness and also being as light as a feather. It is said that there are several checkpoints, "gates" in lucid dreaming and dreamers have to open all of them, one at a time:

  1. To become aware of falling asleep and to be able to sustain the sight of any item of our dreams.
  2. To wake up from a dream into another dream or to use the items of a dream to trigger another dream. One needs to have very sober control over his or her attention in the dream.
  3. To see in a lucid dream one's own body sleeping. At this stage lucid dreamer begins deliberately merge dreaming reality with the reality of the daily world.
  4. To travel in lucid dreams to specific, concrete places.

All in all it is said there are seven "gates".

It is recommended to visualize daily world objects while in a lucid dream. This technique is considered to be the first step to total perception.


Programming myself and my world.

Here is something posted to a mailing list. In some cases I took the liberty to correct obious mistypings and also style (that - in my own paragraphs). Author(s) of the cited paragraphs and author(s) of methods mentioned deliberately are designated only by initials, because I don't know if they want their name(s) to be mentioned here at the moment.

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Self-programming and control interfaces.

Hi everybody,

Every complex programmable device has a control interface. Such interface could be e.g. a control console, possibly password protected and/or hidden ("for qualified service personnel only").

When using affirmations to program the so called personal super-consciousness a la Kelder's "5 Tibetans" one comes naturally to a question:

What are modalities of OUR control interface, what are its submods?

And, by the way, what are the control command language, root password, if you'd be so kind?

Reading a lot about Buddhist yoga, nagualism and such naughty stuff and even thinking occasionally about this ;) I've got an idea:

Could it be that the so called chakra points are also input entry points to put the command sequences into?


The only illusion that I have is that it is the only one.


Fabrications, mystifications and excellent terminology

JF wrote:

> The control interface idea would make sense to me only
> if we are literal "creatures" - entities *created* by
> a designer. On the other hand, if we are what the
> extropians term "evolitures" - entities that arose by
> the spontaneous order of evolution - then the concept
> of control interfaces makes no sense because evolution
> cannot endow living things with hidden traits, i.e.
> traits that can't be selected for by the environment.
It seems to me that J, who as far as I know has posted the MLF, and some other people confirm reliably some results from the method. In my personal experience MLF produces effects reliably and statistically significant (the quality of the results that I get is a different issue).

The fact that MLF produces some results (whatever they may be), IMHO, proves that at least we are programmable creatures and visualizations used in MLF are in a way a command language.

Does it seem to be logical?


Now a different issue:

> I had a look on your site at your table of comparisons
> between nagualism and buddhism. I was reminded of an
> exposť done a few years ago (sorry, I don't have the
> reference to hand) that claimed that Castaneda's books
> were a fabrication. 
Yes, I've heard about something like that too. An acquaintance of mine thinks that the Kelder's "5 Tibetans" is a literary mystification too. That would be somewhat disappointing but not a surprise really.

However, I must admit that some technical terms used in Castaneda's books seem to be (at least for me) much more suitable to describe the correspondent self-development methods.

That is the reason why I've posted the terminology table on my page.

For me even NLP has much appeal, because it gives very fitting terminology to talk about subjective experience.

I think that clear, unambiguous, accurately defined terminology is very important for promoting theoretical understanding or an engineering hunch at the least.

If we understand something theoretically or if we have a hunch about something then we have better chances to apply the method effectively and get the outcome.

The only illusion that I have is that it is the only one.


Controllability and programmability

JF wrote:

> > The fact that MLF produces some results (whatever
> > they may be), IMHO,
> > proves that at least we are programmable creatures
> > and visualizations
> > used in MLF are in a way a command language.
> Yes, but that's not you were talking about. You were
> suggesting that there was a "control panel" analogous
> to a service panel in electronic equipment. As though
> it were something silently sitting there waiting for a
> celestial maintenance guy to come along....

Did you think about evolution vs. creationism?
Yes, that's an interesting issue.

Also, IMHO, practical aspects of the programming could be useful.

For example, everybody, you and me including, has at least 4 hidden low level control panels. In my opinion, it is quite right to call them so, they are real touch pads, only the buttons (actually push areas) are not marked and one has to know where to push to achieve the desired effect. I am talking about the soles, the ears, the palms and the surface of the nose. Pushing the buttons you can stimulate correspondent internal organs and/or heal them (that info is based on many sources and on personal experience).

Here we have almost the same functionality in all of the four control panels, i.e. fourfold redundancy built in. That is what I'd call a reliability-oriented design, reminds aviation and space safety standards and survivability (sp?) in military equipment.

Knowing about such kind of design and using my very own control equipment myself, I am tempted look for other hidden, probably/desirably higher level consoles.

That is one of the reasons why I am intrigued by the notion of programming of the personal super-consciousness a la Peter Kelder. That is one of the reasons why I am looking for means to make the method more effective (to combine it with chakras, for example, and other suggestions very much welcome).

BTW, Kelder was not the first that suggested the existence of such an entity as super-consciousness. What is new in his approach is precisely the idea of personally accessible control interface to the entity and the method of using the interface.

It's also tempting to consider effectiveness of MLF in terms of Kelder's approach.

The only illusion that I have is that it is the only one.


DHE, NLP and secret methods of yoga

DHE and NLP:
visualized control interfaces, sliding and regular anchors, better self-image integration.

According to David L. Snellgrove
a Buddhist yogin engaged in tantric methods visualizes a mighty super-being with multiple body parts and/or special, "magic" objects, each of them signifying a "power quality and/or ability". After the visualization is perfected the yogin identifies himself (integrates) with the super-being:

The ultimate aim of tantric yoga is the self-identification of the practicing yogin with the divinity he is invoking and whose powers he then appropriates.


Mantra yoga and internal constructs

From Sivananda's explanations on Japa (mantra yoga): it seems that the objective of the mantra repetitions is to realize what internal non-verbal constructs correspond to the mantra's words and then to concentrate on the constructs themselves.


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