LAST TESTIMONY OF SISTER EMMA.
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In a
conversation held in the Herald office during the early days of the present
year, between Bishop Rogers, Elders W. W. Blair, H. A. Stebbins
and a few others, leading minds in the Church, it was thought advisable to
secure from Mother Bidamon, (Sister Emma Smith), her
testimony upon certain points upon which various opinions existed; and to do
this, it was decided to present to her a few prominent questions, which were
penned and agreed upon, the answers to which might, so far as she was
concerned, settle these differences of opinion. In accordance with this
understanding the senior editor of the Herald visited Nauvoo, in February last,
arriving on the 4th and remaining until the 10th. Sister Emma answered the questions
freely and in the presence of her husband, Major Lewis C. Bidamon,
who was generally present in their sitting- room where the conversation took
place. We were more particular in this because it had been frequently stated to
us: "Ask your mother, she knows." "Why don't you ask your
mother; she dare not deny these things." "You do not dare to ask your
mother!"
Our thought was, that if we had lacked courage to ask
her, because we feared the answers she might give, we would put aside that
fear; and, whatever the worst might be, we would hear it. The result is given
below; it having been decided to give the statements to the readers of the Herald,
in view of the death of Sister Emma having occurred so soon after she made
them, thus giving them the character of a last testimony.
It is intended to incorporate these questions and answers in the forthcoming
history of the reorganization.
We apologized to our mother for putting the questions respecting polygamy and
plural wives, as we felt we ought to do.
Question. Who performed the marriage ceremony for Joseph Smith
and Emma Hale? When? Where?
Answer. I was married at South Bainbridge,
We here suggested that Mother Smith's history gave the date of the marriage as
I think the date correct. My certificate of marriage was lost
many years ago, in some of the marches we were forced to make.
In answer to a suggestion by us that she might mistake about who married father
and herself; and that it was rumored that it was Sidney Rigdon,
or a Presbyterian clergyman, she stated:
It was not Sidney Rigdon, for I did not
see him for years after that. It was not a Presbyterian clergyman. I was
visiting at Mr. Stowell's who lived in Bainbridge,
and saw your father there. I had no intention of marrying when I left home;
but, during my visit at Mr. Stowell's, your father
visited me there. My folks were bitterly opposed to him; and, being importuned
by your father, sided by Mr. Stowell, who urged me to
marry him, and preferring to marry him (than) to any other man I knew, I
consented. We went to Squire Tarbell's and were
married. Afterward, when father found that I was married, he sent for us. The
account in Mother Smith's history is substantially correct as to date and
place. Your father bought your Uncle Jesse's (Hale) place, off father's farm,
and we lived there until the Book of Mormon was translated; and I think
published. I was not in
Question. How many children did you lose, mother,
before I was born?
Answer. There were three. I buried one in
Question. Who were the twins that died?
Answer. They were not named.
Question. Who were the twins whom you took to raise?
Answer. I lost twins. Mrs. Murdock had twins and died. Brother
Murdock came to me and asked me to take them, and I took the babes. Joseph died
at 11 months. They were both sick when your father was mobbed. The mob who tarred and feathered him, left the door open when they
went out with him, the child relapsed and died. Julia lived, though weaker than
the boy.
Question. When did you first know Sidney Rigdon? Where?
Answer. I was residing at father Whitmer's
when I first saw Sidney Rigdon. I think he came
there.
Question. Was this before or after the publication of
the Book of Mormon?
Answer. The Book of Mormon had been translated and published some
time before. Parley P. Pratt had united with the Church before I knew Sidney Rigdon, or heard of him. At the time of Book of Mormon was
translated there was no church organized, and Rigdon
did not become acquainted with Joseph and me till after the Church was
established in 1830. How long after that I do not know, but it was some time.
Question. Who were scribes for father when translating
the Book of Mormon?
Answer. Myself, Oliver Cowdery,
Martin Harris, and my brother Reuben Hale.
Question. Was Alva Hale one?
Answer. I think not. He may have written some; but if he did, I
do not remember it.
Question. What about the revelation on polygamy? Did
Joseph Smith have anything like it? What of spiritual wifery?
Answer. There was no revelation on either polygamy or spiritual
wives. There were some rumors of something of the sort, of which I asked my
husband. He assured me that all there was of it was, that, in a chat about
plural wives, he had said, "Well, such a system might possibly be, if
everybody was agreed to it, and would behave as they should; but they would
not; and besides, it was contrary to the will of heaven." No such thing as
polygamy or spiritual wifery was taught, publicly or
privately, before my husband's death, that I have now,
or ever had any knowledge of.
Question. Did he not have other wives than yourself?
Answer. He had no other wife but me; nor did he to my knowledge
ever have.
Question. Did he not hold marital relations with women
other than yourself?
Answer. He did not have improper relations with any woman that
ever came to my knowledge.
Question. Was there nothing about spiritual wives that
you recollect?
Answer. At one time my husband came to me and asked me if I had
heard certain rumors about spiritual marriages, or anything of the kind; and
assured me that if I had, that they were without foundation; that there was no
such doctrine, and never should be with his knowledge or consent. I know that
he had no other wife or wives than myself, in any
sense, either spiritual or otherwise.
Question. What of the truth of Mormonism?
Answer. I know Mormonism to be the truth; and believe the Church
to have been established by divine direction. I have complete faith in it. In
writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the
table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone
in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us.
Question. Had he not a book or manuscript from which
he read, or dictated to you?
Answer. He had neither manuscript nor book to read from.
Question. Could he not have had, and you not know it?
Answer. If he had had anything of the kind he could not have
concealed it from me.
Question. Are you sure that he had the plates at the
time you were writing for him?
Answer. The plates often lay on the table without any attempt at
concealment, wrapped in a small linen tablecloth, which I had given him to fold
them in. I once felt of the plates, as they thus lay on the table, tracing
their outline and shape. They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would
rustle with a metallic sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one
does sometimes thumb the edges of a book.
Question. Where did father and Oliver Cowdery write?
Answer. Oliver Cowdery and your father
wrote in the room where I was at work.
Question. Could not father have dictated the Book of
Mormon to you, Oliver Cowdery and the others who
wrote for him, after having first written it, or having first read it out of
some book?
Answer. Joseph Smith (and for the first time she used his name
direct, having usually used the words, "your father" or "my
husband") could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded
letter, let alone dictate a book like the Book of Mormon. And, though I was an
active participant in the scenes that transpired, and was present during the
translation of the plates, and had cognizance of things as they transpired, it
is marvelous to me, "a marvel and a wonder," as much so as to anyone
else.
Question. I should suppose that you would have
uncovered the plates and examined them?
Answer. I did not attempt to handle the plates, other than I have
told you, nor uncover them to look at them. I was satisfied that it was the
work of God, and therefore did not feel it to be necessary to do so;
Major Bidamon here suggested: Did Mr. Smith forbid your examining the plates?
Answer. I do not think he did. I knew that he had them, and was
not specially curious about them. I moved them from
place to place on the table, as it was necessary in doing my work.
Question. Mother, what is your belief about the
authenticity, or origin, of the Book of Mormon?
Answer. My belief is that the Book of Mormon is of divine
authenticity - I have not the slightest doubt of it. I am satisfied that no man
could have dictated the writing of the manuscripts unless he was inspired; for,
when acting as his scribe, your father would dictate to me hour after hour; and
when returning after meals, or after interruptions, he could at once begin
where he had left off, without either seeing the manuscript or having any
portion of it read to him. This was a usual thing for him to do. It would have
been improbable that a learned man could do this; and, for one so ignorant and
unlearned as he was, it was simply impossible.
Question. What was the condition of feeling between
you and father?
Answer. It was good.
Question. Were you in the habit of quarreling?
Answer. No. There was no necessity for any quarreling. He knew
that I wished for nothing but what was right; and, as he wished for nothing
else, we did not disagree. He usually gave some heed to what I had to say. It
was quite a grievous thing to many that I had any influence with him.
Question. What do you think of David Whitmer?
Answer. David Whitmer I believe to be
an honest and truthful man. I think what he states may be relied on.
Question. It has been stated sometimes that you
apostatized at father's death, and joined the
Answer. I have been called apostate; but I have never apostatized
nor forsaken the faith I at first accepted; but was called so because I would
not accept their new-fangled notion.
Question. By whom were you
baptized? Do you remember?
Answer. I think by Oliver Cowdery, at
Bainbridge.
Question. You say that you were married at South
Bainbridge, and have used the word Bainbridge. Were they one and the same town?
Answer. No. There was Bainbridge and South Bainbridge; some
distance apart, how far I don't know. I was in South Bainbridge.
These questions and the answers she had given to them were read to my mother by
me, the day before my leaving Nauvoo for home, and were affirmed by her. Major Bidamon stated that he had frequently conversed with her on
the subject of the translation of the Book of Mormon, and her present answers
were substantially what she had always stated in regard to it.
JOSEPH SMITH.