The following interview with ECW wrestler New Jack was conducted on 6/22/96 by Jess McGrath, The Rat, and Dave Scherer. It was brought to our attention that New Jack wanted to set the record straight on some things written about the incident where Brian Pillman referred to him as a "nigger" at the 6/1 ECW Arena show. This interview will be printed in its uncensored form, which will include profanity. There are MANY parts to come.

Scherer: We're here with New Jack, and we're talking about the incident at the Arena where Brian Pillman used the infamous N word ...

New Jack: He said nigger. No fuckin' infamous N word, it's nigger.

Scherer: With an "er," not with an "a." To me, the rap group N.W.A. stood for Niggas With Attitudes, right?

New Jack: Right.

Scherer: OK. But he used the word "nigger," not "nigga." That's what right away tipped me that ...

New Jack: He was talking about us, man. He wasn't talking about no fuckin' rap group, he was talkin' about us. I mean, he said something about, "These niggers running around here with attitudes," you know, Gangstas, whatever. Don't no fuckin' N.W.A. work for ECW. I mean, and when he said it, I was up on the stage, and everybody there looked at him, and they turned around and looked at me. In the whole goddamn building, every fuckin' head was like [looking at me shocked].

Scherer: As if they're saying, "He's talking about you."

New Jack: Yeah. 'Cause, I mean, he was talking about us. Fuck that, he was talking about us.

McGrath: There'd be no reason for them to look at you unless it had to do with you.

New Jack: He said, "The Gangstas, these niggers with attitudes," that's what the mother fucker said. And I went downstairs.

Scherer: But first, you punched the wall, right?

New Jack: No, this was afterwards. I went downstairs, and when he came through the curtain, I asked him, I said, "What did you say? I don't think I heard you." And, he was like, "Nothing, brother, I was just doing my promo, talking about the stuff we got coming up." And I was like, "No, no, that ain't what I heard, I don't think, but I just wanted to be sure. What did you say?" And he denied it. The fucker denied it.

Scherer: He didn't say it again to your face?

New Jack: No. I would have knocked his fuckin' teeth down his throat if he had said it. And right about that time, Paul E. ran up from behind me and grabbed me around my neck. And everybody just came from nowhere, saying, "Come on, Jack, it ain't worth it, it ain't worth it." That's when I knew. That's when I knew. I asked, "Why are you all protecting him?" I didn't give a fuck about him being on crutches, or in a fuckin' wheelchair. I don't give a shit. He didn't care no more about me than to go out there and call me a fuckin' nigger. I said, I didn't give a fuck about him being on crutches, I'll still go out there and kick his ass.

McGrath: So Pillman never admitted to saying it?

New Jack: No! Then, he denied saying it, 'cause then he came back and said that it was a work, it was just a work, he was trying to get heat. And I'm like, "No, fuck that." I was like, "We ain't running no angle with him." I ain't never even spoken to the mother fucker. The few times I've seen him, I've never spoken to him, I've never shook his hand, nothing. So he ain't got no mother fuckin' business doin' this shit. I mean, if you're trying to get heat or we're running an angle, that's one thing. But to just, you know, "This is the top goddamn babyface tag team in ECW. Well, why not fuck with them?" Well, he could have fucked with me in a whole lot of other ways, than to fuckin' go out there and call me a nigger. To think he could do this shit, man, those days are gone. They are gone.

Scherer: Well, I remember when we interviewed you guys last year, you said that when you came in here, Paul and Tod said, "No using the racial shit."

New Jack: That was the first thing they said. It was like, "We'll bring you in, no problems. But one of the first things you guys have to quit, we don't want the racial stuff. We don't want it." And the only reason I did the shit about the O.J. thing ... I thought the shit was more funny. But that wasn't considered racial, I don't think. I mean, he was black and she was white, but fuck. I didn't come out there saying, you know, "the black man killed the white woman," and all the shit like that. I just said, "Not guilty." It's like, "So? OK." That shit we did, man, I look back at wrestling, and I think I told you this before. But it was Ric Flair who did [the angle with] Rufus R. Jones a long time ago. He used to come out there and call him a "big, black, greasy bastard." And they let him get away with the shit. Then they had this kid down in the NWA at the time, he was a cop for the city of Atlanta, his name was Sullivan. Big old guy, maybe like 6'8", 6'9", real big mother fucker. But they put a mask on him and called him El Negro. You know those people in the office were getting a fuckin' kick out of that shit. Because you've got the fuckin' biggest racists in fuckin' wrestling ... one of them, just from the top of my mind, is fuckin' Jerry Lawler. He goes down to Memphis and does a goddamn interview. Of course the black guys come down to television, [and Lawler says], "Tell me some of that stuff that y'all people be saying, and how y'all talk, and this, that, and the other." And then he goes fuckin' over with that shit. On Monday Night Raw, he called somebody "Sambo" This is recently. So, I mean, I don't have to put up with this shit. There've been lies told about us, and this is the first time I've fuckin' talked to any of you guys who write this shit in the sheets since last year. This shit ... dude, I ain't gonna lie, this shit made me fuckin' sick to my stomach. I ain't gonna lie, if I had got to Brian Pillman, I'd have jumped that mother fucker's ass.

Scherer: So you were standing up on the stage and you heard what he said. You came downstairs to meet him when he came in the back.

New Jack: I asked him, what did he say.

Scherer: And he didn't say. Then Paul E. grabbed you, and then what happened?

New Jack: Right then I knew. I was like, "Why are you all protecting this mother fucker? He messes with everybody." They got right between us, man. And right then, I just went fuckin' ballistic. I just went off.

Scherer: Did you threaten to quit? Meltzer reported that you threatened to quit.

New Jack: I didn't. I think Meltzer's a fuckin' liar. No, I didn't.

Scherer: In that report ...

New Jack: I saw it.

Scherer: He said that you threatened to quit, and ...

McGrath: And Mustafa went out apologizing to Pillman.

New Jack: Mustafa wasn't ... Was Meltzer there?

McGrath: No.

New Jack: Well, whoever his fuckin' stooge is, he needs to get his information correct. Mustafa went to Brian Pillman and was asking him what had happened. And I told Mustafa, "Why are you talking to that piece of shit?" Mustafa was trying to find out what was going on. I already knew, but Mustafa [had been] in the fuckin' back, in the very back, where you couldn't even fuckin' hear. I was upstairs watching this shit. And Mustafa was trying to find out what was going on. I asked Mustafa, "Why are you talking to that piece of shit? He's a fuckin' punk." Mustafa went over there and fuckin' apologized? Apologizing for what? If he was apologizing for anything, he was apologizing because he didn't get to his ass.

Scherer: Everybody broke you up, and you went back upstairs. At some point, you punched a hole in the wall.

New Jack: After all this shit got over, Paul E. was like, "You know, Jack, you know it ain't worth it, this, that, and the other, your career." He went through the little ... And I was like, "Fuck that." I went back upstairs, and I was still hot. Mustafa was up there, and me and Mustafa were talking. He was like, "Jack, what do you want to do?" I was like, "I don't give a fuck. You do what you want to do. Don't base your decision on what I do. You want to stay, stay." This is where the quitting part came in. "You want to stay, stay. You want to quit, quit. You be your own fuckin' man, you do whatever the fuck you want to do. 'Cause I don't give a fuck."