NICKS
IN A HARD PLACE Barnes & Noble.com:
What took you so long?
Stevie Nicks:
Well, in 1993 I put out Street
Angel, a terrible record because it was made during the eight years when
I was taking Klonopin and Prozac, and it just sucked all my creativity out, and
I just wasn't well enough to make a record. But it had to go out [and] I had to
do interviews, and that was depressing. I went out on tour that summer, and then
I came back and wrote the song "Love Is," the last song on Trouble
in Shangri-La. And then a year later, in '95, I wrote the song "Trouble
in Shangri-La," so I had the beginning and the end. Then I started to work
on the whole record. I was in Phoenix and I worked for about six months, and
then the Fleetwood Mac thing -- the rumor that we were going to get back
together -- started to happen, and, of course, I didn't believe it. I really
didn't. I really did not believe that that was ever going to happen
again. So as soon as the possibility that it might happen happened,
everything stopped. The world stopped and everything became all about Fleetwood
Mac.
So my record definitely got put on the shelf. [After negotiating the reunion,
filming the TV special The Dance, and going on the road,] I went right to
work on the [Stevie Nicks] Enchanted
box set. [Then] I went out on the road for a three-month summer shed tour. You
know, that's like six months of working it -- putting it together, doing the
tour, and then two or three months to come down from being on that tour, and get
away from that -- my box set, my past. I was also leaving Atlantic and going to
Warner/Reprise, so that was a new record deal happening. So, anyway, can you
kind of get the gist here?
B&N.com: Totally. Your job wouldn't
let you do your job.
SN: Exactly.
Then I hooked up with Sheryl Crow, who has since become my really dear friend
and confidante. We recorded two old songs ["Candlebright," from 1970
and "Sorcerer," from 1972]. We tried to get her do the whole record,
but she had just released The
Globe Sessions so we couldn't really do that. Then Sheryl came back from
one part of her tour, realized I was in big trouble because I did not have a
producer, and jumped back in. We did three more songs, so it ended up that she's
produced half the record.
B&N.com:
Talk about the different producers and the sounds they brought to the record. It
seems to strike the right balance of mysticism and earthiness.
SN: Well, Sheryl is very guitar-oriented,
even though Sheryl is an incredible piano teacher -- she was a teacher of piano.
[Songwriter/producer] John Shanks sent me a song called "Every Day,"
which is the single, and I actually played it -- your chances of me playing a
song that sits here on my assistant's desk are slim to none. It said "Every
Day," and I thought, "Ooh, Buddy
Holly, 'Everyday' -- all right, I'll play it." And so I called him,
went over to his house, put the vocal on the song that's out now, and that
relationship started. So then he did, like, five songs. So my record was really
starting to move very quickly. Then I asked Pierre Marchand, of Sarah McLachlan
fame, if he would do one song, "Love Is." I went up to Canada and
called Sarah 'cause she lived there, and she played piano, and that was done in
a week.
B&N.com: How do you go about
collaborating with other people? At what point do you bring someone else in?
SN: I only write with other people if
they send me a track. And they don't come with the track; they don't come and
sit in my living room and play me the track. Because then if I don't like it, I
hurt their feelings, and I don't want them to see my face. If they send it to
me, I play it. If I love it, in two days, I will have written a song to it.
B&N.com: How about Natalie Maines,
for example?
SN:
Natalie is a friend of Sheryl Crow's,
because, of course, Sheryl Crow knows everybody in the world. If you need
anybody, call Sheryl -- she'll have a number. This was a song, "Too Far
from Texas," from a good friend of mine named Sandy Stewart from Texas. So
I said to Sheryl, "What do you think? Do you think Natalie and I could sing
this?" And she said, "I think you could, and I think she'll like it.
Let's send it." So she sent it to her and within two days me, Natalie,
Sheryl Crow on bass, Waddy
Wachtel, Michael Campbell, Benmont Tench, and Steve Ferrone went into
Michael's home studio, and basically it's like Natalie and Stevie and Sheryl and
the Heartbreakers, without Tom. We replaced Tom with us. [laughs] And the
singing is live. We did two days. I was very proud 'cause I thought, You know
what? My idea really worked. And then [Sheryl] was gone. That's how this whole
record has been.
B&N.com:
And we can expect to hear you on her upcoming album, right?
SN: Well, she says I have to be on it.
She wants me to write her a song, so I'm trying. I said, "OK, Sheryl. I'm
going look for that experience. I'm kind of tapped out right now, but I'm going
to try."
B&N.com: Flesh out the story of
"That Made Me Stronger," how Tom Petty lit a fire under you.
SN: At the end of 1994, when I wrote
"Love Is," I was so grieving about the whole Street Angel
thing. Even though I thought it was a terrible record, I loved the songs. The
songs were my children, you know. And I was very much grieving about the
Klonopin and the Prozac, because I had done many things in that eight years that
I was not proud of, that were not me, things that I would never do. And,
basically, Tom came to town to play, and I had dinner with him at the
Ritz-Carlton and he said, "You know what? [pauses] Everybody makes
mistakes. Certainly, you can't blame yourself for the Klonopin and the Prozac --
you didn't go out on the streets looking for that. That's just a nasty thing
that happened to you, so now get over it. You're upset 'cause you're 20 pounds
overweight -- lose it, you can do it. That's not your problem. Your problem is
knowing and remembering that you're a great songwriter, Stevie. I'm not going to
help you write songs, I don't have to help you. You need to go home to your
piano and sit down and do what you love to do. You never married, you never had
children because your love is songwriting, and what in the world is up with you
telling me that you need me to help you write songs?" And you know what?
That's all he had to say. And it was like, "OK, chief, I am so outta here,
and I am going home." That was just that little kick in the butt that I
really, really needed from somebody that I totally respect, that always has my
best in mind.
B&N.com: Talk about the Fleetwood Mac
album. Are you excited?
SN: It's
happening! I just gave Lindsey 17 songs that are demos from the same group of
songs that I pulled the three that are on this record out of. These are a
certain small group of songs that were there through all the records from
Fleetwood Mac 'til now. You can only put so many songs on a record; if you write
ten songs per record, you have a good seven songs left on every record.
B&N.com: Any chance Christine
McVie will come back?
SN: I don't think so. If the whole world
wants to say a prayer -- "Please, Christine, don't quit!" -- then
maybe she will. But, you know, she is English. She does not want to come back to
America; she doesn't want to leave England. She wants to have her life there,
and Chris is so much more than a rock star: She's an incredible chef, she's an
incredible artist, she's an incredible writer -- you know, she's fabulous
Christine McVie. She doesn't want to go on the road anymore.
B&N.com:
Have you heard the Destiny's
Child new song, "Bootylicious" [from Survivor]?
SN: No.
B&N.com: They sample [Nicks's 1981
hit] "Edge of Seventeen."
SN: [excited] Really?
B&N.com: Yes, it's on their new
album.
SN: I love Destiny's Child. I watch my
MTV and my VH1 and my MTV2 and whatever other ones I can get in. I'm totally
honored! I think these girls can really sing, so they're OK in my book.
B&N.com: Over the sample they sing,
"I don't think you're ready for this jelly/My body too bootylicious for
you, babe."
SN: Oh my
goodness! Oh well, I'll try not to turn into my mother, Barbara, and give them a
quick call.
B&N.com: Are you proud to have
"Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" so closely associated with Bill
Clinton?
SN: I am
proud that we became a part of history. I am proud that Fleetwood Mac will now
be in the history books. I am proud that -- no matter what you think of him --
that Fleetwood Mac was his favorite band, and he loved that song. You cannot
take that away from him. And you cannot take it away from the country. The
country loved the song, so that was a great thing.
May 1, 2001
How Stevie Got Her Groove Back
Stevie
Nicks talks fast and frankly, and leaves out very few details. In other
words, she speaks like she writes songs, which have always come straight from
her heart and her life. Nicks has written far more songs than her albums could
accommodate. When she and high school sweetheart Lindsey
Buckingham joined Fleetwood
Mac in the mid-'70s and revitalized the former British blues outfit with an
infusion of California rock, she contributed a mere six songs to the revamped
band's smash albums, 1975's self-titled
release and 1977's Rumours.
But those songs -- "Rhiannon," "Landslide,"
"Crystal," "Dreams," "I Don't Want to Know," and
"Gold Dust Woman" -- could have powered a greatest-hits album for the
entire band. Trouble in Shangri-La, Nicks's sixth solo affair and her
first release after a seven-year hiatus, features an all-star cast -- Macy
Gray, Sarah
McLachlan, Natalie Maines of the Dixie
Chicks, Buckingham, most of Tom
Petty's Heartbreakers, and, especially, Nicks's buddy Sheryl
Crow, who co-produced five tracks on the album. The final result contains
some of the songs that she couldn't get onto Fleetwood Mac albums, some of her
friends' songs, and songs born out of the most miserable years of her life in
the late '80s and early '90s. Taken together, they comprise one of her strongest
albums yet -- a crystallization of one of the most sultry and alluring voices in
pop music. Nicks spoke with Barnes & Noble.com's Bill Crandall and gave him
the full -- and we do mean full -- story behind Trouble
in Shangri-La, and the scoop on Fleetwood Mac's future plans, too.
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