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Friday, 1 June 2007
Tashbih Sayyed R.I.P
Topic: Islamic Jihad
This just came in from Obsession Highlights

With Deepest Condolences

With great sorrow we inform you that Tashbih Sayyed, a courageous foe of the global jihad, passed away. Tashbih Sayyed appeared in Obsession. Read the Front Page Magazine article here.

Tashbih Sayyed R.I.P.

By FrontPage Magazine | May 28, 2007

[Editor's Note: The following was written by Robert Spencer on behalf of]
Tashbih Sayyed, 1941-2007

With great sorrow, informs our readers that Tashbih Sayyed, a courageous foe of the global jihad, has passed away.

After a long career at Pakistan Television, Tashbih's differences with the Zia ul-Haq regime in Pakistan (which gave the Islamization of Pakistan its first great boost) led him to come to the United States, where he founded two newspapers, Pakistan Today and Muslim World Today, and wrote eight books, including Mohammad – A Secularist's View. He appeared in documentaries including Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West. He was the President and founder of The Council for Democracy and Tolerance, an adjunct fellow of the Hudson Institute, and a member of the Jihad Watch Board.

Tashbih was insightful, humorous, and above all, fearless in his opposition to the jihad ideology of Islamic supremacism. Despite numerous threats and a relentless barrage of insults and personal attacks, he kept on trying to awaken the world to the magnitude of the threat we face, never trimming his truth-telling to fit current fashion.

He was a dear friend, and he will be greatly missed.

May his memory be eternal.

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Thursday, 31 May 2007
Welcome 5th Signal Command
I have a few services that I can check to see who is coming to my website.

There have been few visitors that have been as flattering to see here, and none more so than.

So I wish to extend to them a hearty welcome and please comeback. Seeing that hit made my day.

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A Day Without Gringos
Topic: Immigration

Sometime back I saw a movie on one of the oddball cable channels called.

A Day Without A Mexican

Here are the words of the film makers statement

“How do you make the invisible, visible? You take it away.”

One morning California wakes up to find that one third of its population has disappeared. As the day goes by we discover that the characteristic that links the 14 million disappeared is their Hispanic background. This is the premise of the film A Day Without A Mexican that was released in 2004.

As filmmakers we felt, beginning in 1994 with California’s Prop 187, that the half-truths constantly repeated in immigration discussions needed to be clarified. Using our artistic voice we intended to give form to a strong sentiment of discomfort we perceived in the Latino immigrant community but which up to now had had no clear shape, no loud voice. We believe that immigration reform is the civil rights struggle of our time. It is a struggle that affects all of us with its impact on the economic, social and cultural fabric of our society.

In the spring of 2006, reality has imitated art. Immigration issues have exploded onto the national stage and currently there is a call for a National Boycott on May 1st -- No work, no school, no buying, no selling -- in support of immigration reform in the United States.
All artists dream of changing the world. Our goal is to create work that is relevant to our times. If our work has encouraged social change, that is the ultimate satisfaction. In making this film, our objective was to open the dialogue on the issue of immigration by including factual information and alternative views that would change the terms of the discussion. This in the hope of having the Latino community take its rightful place as an important contributor and player in the history and future of the United States. The film was meant as a fable, a warning to be heeded.

Today, the fable has come to life. As we see reality and our imagination become one, we want to encourage people to participate in the struggle as they are able. We will be documenting the process and the outcome in hopes of furthering the discussion of the contribution made to our society and economy by not just the Latino immigrants but all immigrants. That these contributions increase productivity and raise the standard of living for all of us

I don't know about anyone else but this part popped right out at me,

We believe that immigration reform is the civil rights struggle of our time.

Excuse me, but citizens of other countries enter ours as guests they have no inherent right to come here.

If you disagree with that sentiment, I suppose anyone who wishes to, has an equal right to enter your house and make themselves at home?

I didn't think so.

Anyway I recalled that movie while reading about all the courtesy that little girl from Tennessee received in Mexico recently when she was representing the USA in the Miss Universe Contest. NOT!

Mexicans Boo Miss USA at Pageant

Oh brother. Yeah, that'll wake us up about how wrong we are about the intentions and attitude of the 20 million-plus illegal Mexicans in our nation. Or, it could simply highlight the contempt Mexicans hold for this country. You see, the more someone allows you to take advantage of them, the less you respect them.

This year's contest was marked by controversy, with a handful of Mexicans booing Smith in the run-up to the finals because of what they saw as U.S. unfriendliness toward illegal immigrants...This was the fourth time the pageant was held in Mexico...

Rachel Smith, our entrant and a Tennessee girl

Despite the characterization that there was a 'handful' of Mexicans who boo'd, it was thunderous. How dare they, with all this nation has done, and now because they want a free pass to ravage this nation further and we resists, they boo this young woman.

Hey if you don't believe me or the author of the website I took the above from, Tammy,

Check it out for yourself.

Anyway, like I said I recalled that Movie and I thought how about a "Day Without Gringos"?

I don't mean we disappear, some of them might like that. They keep screaming at rallies about how we should all go back to Europe because they are the ones who have a right to this continent, not us.

I have news for them, some of my ancestors walked here quite a few thousand years ago and I am not going anywhere.

The truth is what they really like is Gringo Dollars so for "A Day Without Gringos", start looking at labels.

If it was made in Mexico put it back but note the price and from time to time, mail or email the Mexican Embassy how much you did not spend on their products and how much you spent on the same thing from another country.

Come to think about it forget that "Day Without Gringos" make it a way of life.

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If you liked A Day Without Gringos?

You will just LOVE:

Not Since the War of 1812
For the first time in the almost 200 years since the War of 1812 American Military Forces retreated while underfire by foreign agents on US Soil.

The Democratic National Commitee is in Caucus to Draft a Demand for an Exit Strategy from Arizona.


Nation of Aztlan They Say They Are In A Civil War

They also say, we should support affirmative action because some day we will need it.

Check out the videos


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Wednesday, 30 May 2007
But Can We Believe Them

The Internet is buzzing with the news that some public figures on the Left are bowing off the stage.

But my question is, Can We Believe Them?

I mean we are talking about folks who are best at making announcements but leave a lot to be desired with the follow through.

Back Home we call it Talking the Talk, but not Walking the Walk.

First there is Casey Sheehan's mother. You noticed that I did not use her name? Well for one thing I would not give the woman the search help and for another, way back at the beginning of her rise to notoriety, there was a big deal on Daily Kos about NOT mentioning Casey's name so the focus would be on her instead of him.

Anytime I can do the opposite of the Kossites I find it tempting.

Even my blog has gotten trackbacks on this event

Here's the hits from my latest OTA post Monday

Cindy Sheehan figures it out…well partially anyway at Leaning Straight Up
Cindy Sheehan Steps Down: ‘Good Riddance Attention Whore’… at Right Voices
Cindy Sheehan leads by example: Surrenders...from Public Eye

And of course Michelle Malkin had a spread on it.

Cindy Sheehan turns in her card

The other big news is that Rosie is leaving the View early. While I don't watch the view in my opinion THIS is the only video she should be in.

That is from The Scribbler's Pen the guy has some wicked stuff worth checking out.

You ought to join in on the Right Voice's Captionfest too.

But still before we get too carried away with anticipation, we need to ask ourselves, "Can We Believe Them?"

I just read on !No Pasaran! that Barb Streisand for some reason had to cancel a concert in Italy.

Which has me confused because I seem to recall she has had recently TWO Farewell Tours?

I recall commenting on that last year about this time in When Will They Make Up Their Minds?

It's like we heard you the first two times Barb?

Now cast your minds back, didn't some of their friends vow to leave the country if Bush were elected in 2000?????????????

I read a while back that someone noticed they were still here and suggested a fund raising drive to help Progressive Liberals who are still stranded here relocate.

Not me. First that just feeds into their delusional neurosis that someone else besides them (The State usually) should do everything for them and would therefore be enabling their illness,

And Second I DID my share already.

I mean I helped give them not just one chance to leave in 2000 but also did the same thing in 2004 and I believe I have done my part it is now up to them.

I not only did my part but I can't repeat it. The Constitution prohibits Bush from running for a third term

So like I said earlier, before we get two excited about this recent news the question remains.

Can We Believe Them? Will these two keep their word and leave?

I am not going to hold my breath waiting.
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Tuesday, 29 May 2007
Recall what happened to the Mother of the 1000th soldier to die?
Topic: Iraq War
Update: It looks like it is the time of the year again to keep and eye out for attacks on our Military Forces and their Families not by enemies foreign, but domestic.

At least it seems so, given the recent news in "This is not an act of free speech. This is a crime." by Michelle Malkin and Local Memorial Day outrage: Is this anti war idiots or just idiots? at Leaning Straight Up

I am bumping this up because I am starting a 4 day 4th of July weekend, and I remembered what happened to at least one of our GIs in a 4th of July Parade last year.

Veteran gets rude welcome on Bainbridge


"Baby killer!"



We need to be thinking and looking for incidents like this, not that I wish them to occur but I sure want to condemn them when and if they do.

Support the troops,despite a hatred for Bush?
Not that crowd of two faced hypocrits!

Now that the Peace(?) activists are gearing up for their 2000th fatality vigil, it might not be a bad idea for me to bring forward what happened when they celebrated the 1000th Soldier to die,

Or rather


I posted about this sometime ago


But it bears repeating.

The parents of a slain soldier who were harassed at a memorial service.
Peace Activists Harass Gold Star Mother

SGT. CHAD DRAKE was killed in Baghdad three days ago. So when his family learned of a candlelight vigil in honor of our fallen soldiers to be held in their hometown of Dallas, they thought it would be a good way to begin the healing process.

As it turns out, they were wrong.

Drake's mother was "harassed and yelled at, booed and hissed, told her son died for nothing,"

the message read.
Drake's mother reportedly left the event in tears.

The family attended the vigil because they thought it was meant to honor U.S. casualties. The event was organized by the Dallas Peace Center, which opposes the war.

Anti-war, or just on the other side?

Family Of Killed Soldier: Vigil Crowd Threatening

Crash of Symbols

Though the Department of Defense did not describe Drake as the 1,000th casualty, somehow Drake got singled out. Ginger Drake, Chad's mother, and other members of the family declined to do interviews but gave Steve Alberts of KXAS-Channel 5 photos and information about Drake's life.

"He did a beautiful presentation of my brother," says Jennifer Ott, Chad's sister. "At the end, it said the Drake family would like to invite everyone to a candlelight vigil."

The Drakes felt the broadcast made it seem as if they were involved. Ott called Alberts, who assured her the vigil was non-political. She then spoke to Sherry Bollenbacher, a member of the Peace Center, who also reassured her it was non-political.

"I looked at my mother and said we have to go," Ott says.
About 20 of Drake's relatives arrived at Dallas City Hall just before 7 p.m. When the family arrived, only a handful of people were there, Herriage says, though they could hear drums. "I thought there was a band. Then it just didn't feel right. I could tell it wasn't like a marching band."

Herriage says a woman approached them and asked if they were there for the vigil. Mrs. Drake introduced herself and asked about the drums. "If this is some kind of protest," Mrs. Drake said, "I'm not going to participate."

Bollenbacher introduced herself and reassured her: "Oh, no, we're just here to comfort you in your grief."

Mrs. Drake saw a man with a basket full of fliers accusing Bush of war crimes. Bollenbacher again reassured her.

"I had told him he couldn't hand those out," Bollenbacher says, but she allowed a banner that read "Vets for Peace."

The Drakes saw that banner and then realized the drummer was wearing a T-shirt that said "Drums Not Guns." Believing it was an anti-war protest, Mrs. Drake burst into tears. She started screaming, "Somebody has lied to me."

Herriage says the situation turned even uglier when another woman walked over, grabbed the weeping Mrs. Drake and shook her. "She said, 'Shut up and I'll explain our cause to you,'" Herriage says. "That's when Ginger went ballistic."

While we're add it. You know how the Left likes to compare present day Iraq to Vietnam? Well in ONE respect they are absolutely correct and they have not changed their spots in 30 years!

Veteran gets rude welcome on Bainbridge

Think about the Seattle area -- Bainbridge Island to be exact -- and you think scenic views and liberal-minded tolerance.

Read the latest update: An apology and -- it is hoped -- healing on Bainbridge.

At least the killer views are still there.

The bucolic island's deep reputation for civility got a gut check this week during the annual Grand Old Fourth of July celebration.

That's when Jason Gilson, a 23-year-old military veteran who served in Iraq, marched in the local event. He wore his medals with pride and carried a sign that said "Veterans for Bush."

Walking the parade route with his mom, younger siblings and politically conservative friends, Jason heard words from the crowd that felt like a thousand daggers to the heart.

"Baby killer!"



To understand why the reaction of strangers hurt so much, you must read what the young man had written in a letter from Iraq before he was disabled in an ambush:

"I really miss being in the states. Some of the American public have no idea how much freedom costs and who the people are that pay that awful price. I think sometimes people just see us as nameless and faceless and not really as humans. ... A good portion of us are actually scared that when we come home, for those of us who make it back, that there will be protesters waiting for us and that is scary."

On the Fourth, Jason faced his worst fear

It was such a public humiliation -- home front insult after battlefield injury.

Jason's mother, Tamar, says a female parade announcer locked eyes on her son who was walking behind a pro-Republican group called Women in Red, White and Blue. The group supports President Bush and the troops in the fight against terrorism.

According to Tamar, the female announcer sarcastically asked Jason:

"And what exactly are you a veteran of?"

The perceived mocking, the mother adds, set off some people in the crowd, loosing a flood of negative comments,

"like a wave... a mob-style degrading."

It would appear from Michele Malkin's


They are living down to their past as usual.

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Monday, 28 May 2007
The Two Options

I was reading a Memorial Day Post on Jihad Watch that had an explanation why, the Intelligentsia at least, no longer respects nor honors our fighting forces,

Today is Memorial Day, and while Hugh grills the Jihad Watch burgers I thought I'd note that one of the reasons why the popular culture does not honor our fighting forces today or in general is that the politically correct mindset assumes that we have moved beyond all that. Conflicts don't ever need to be solved with wars, you see. All we need to do is understand each other a little better, show the opposition that we are really good fellows after all, win over a few hearts and minds, teach the children not to hate, and voila, all will be well, and all manner of thing will be well.

They then posit a question that to my mind is very valid in these turbulent times.

It is axiomatic in the State Department, and in Europe, and at the UN, that all conflicts can be solved through negotiated concessions. This is so much a part of the air they all breathe that it would be unthinkable even to question it. No one would even think to ask,

"What if we implement state-of-the-art hearts-and-minds initiatives, and conform to all their foreign policy and cultural demands,

and they still hate us?"

I put my answer on their website and then decided to recreate our virtual dialog here on my own.

Why in that case we are supposed to implement the Gandhi Option, I guess

The Limits of 'Turn the Other Cheek'

In 1940, when Hitler was scoring victory after victory throughout Europe, Gandhi addressed the following advice to the soldiers of Great Britain: "I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions.... If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them."
Two years earlier, in the months before World War II began, Gandhi reacted to the outrage of the Nazi-inspired Kristalnacht (the national pogrom of November 9 to 10, 1938) by offering the following advice to German Jews for overcoming Nazi anti-Semitism: "I am as certain as I am dictating these words that the stoniest German heart will melt [if only the Jews] . adopt active nonviolence. Human nature ... unfailingly responds to the advances of love. I do not despair of his [Hitler's] responding to human suffering even though caused by him."

Myself? I prefer the Jefferson Option

1787 Nov. 13. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

You can make your own choice, but I am afraid that there are only two,

Those who reject the ideology of "Live Free or Die"
might ponder the fact that:

Those who choose not to live by the sword, can still die on them.

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UPDATE: Denmark Exports Soaring
After blogger Judith Klinghoffer and an army of Davids declared a "Buy Danish" campaign to combat the Muslim boycott. The Guardian says "fervent rightwing Americans" participated in the buying spree and implies that the cartoonists were responsible for the deaths of 139 people.(like it was the cartoonists who killed those people instead of the ones who shed their blood, how like the Progressive TransNazi viewpoint)

For your listening pleasure while you browse

"Der er et yndigt land" (There Is A Lovely Land)

Words by: Adam Gottlob Oehlenschlager
Music by: Hans Ernst Kr?yer
Adopted: 1844

"Derer et yndigt land" was first performed for a large gathering of Danes in 1844, and became popular quickly with the Danish people. It was adopted later that year by the Danish government as a national anthem, but not the sole national anthem. This anthem is on equal status with "Kong Christian",which is both the national and royal anthem.

When the Danish anthem is usually performed or sung, the first verse is played in its entirety, then it is followed by the last four lines of the last verse. (This is true whether the lyrics are sung or not

Recently I have been posting music to Illustrate the Diversity of America, this week I have a different motive to express Solidarity with DENMARK

I maintain my Support of Denmark, and will later today, post links to and my thoughts about a Danish Editorial "We are being pissed upon by Per Nyholm "

I think I shall title my Post, "There is no "But" in "Freedom of Speech".

When I first started upon my journey through the blogverse I created a
Statement of Purpose
Now upon reading it, one can realize that I did not hold to every detail of that original statement, but from it's basic premise, I have never swayed, in my belief that the Blogs are in fact the Committees of Correspondence of the Second American Revolution.

And that it is a Revolution of Information, no longer can we afford and allow elite gateways to control what we can see, hear and discuss.

For I believe that those bloggers who find their way, here and in particular from the Blogs associated with Sam.


Some of us are more Serious, some of us are more lighthearted and some post the common ordinary things that make one smile and recall that Life without the simple things to treasure is meaningless.

And it is important that all have a platform from which to speak.

As I understand this process you can link to this post and trackback to this post on ANY subject or post you think important. It is open. I will repeat this every Monday.

The Committees of Correspondence welcomes your intelligent comments. And also welcomes you to join the


This week I also have shortened my usual introduction for a more important message.

In it's struggle for Freedom of Speech.

Sign the Petition NOW!

JEG opstille hos Danmark!

49637 Total Signatures 12:46 AM CDT April 23, 2007 We can do better pass the word~!

From Agora a call to Support the Manifesto online by signing another Petition, why not sign both?

MANIFESTO: Together facing the new totalitarianism
Created by Mark Jefferson on March 1st, 2006 at 5:42 pm AST

After having overcome fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism, the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat: Islamism.
We, writers, journalists, intellectuals, call for resistance to religious totalitarianism and for the promotion of freedom, equal opportunity and secular values for all. "

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Leadership and The Army Noncomissioned Officer Creed from Diary of the Mad Pigeon
Memorial Day from The Uncooperative Blogger
We Always Have a Choice from Adam's Blog
Decoration Day from Planck's Constant
Giuliani v Edwards and Amnesty from The Amboy Times
Monday Candle Moment: Memorial Day 2007 from Colloquium
Local Memorial Day outrage: Is this anti war idiots or just idiots? at Leaning Straight Up
Cindy Sheehan figures it out?well partially anyway at Leaning Straight Up
Cindy Sheehan Steps Down: ?Good Riddance Attention Whore?? at Right Voices
Memorial Day Tribute to Our Troop at Blog for Cox: The Official John Cox Campaign Blog
If We Forget to Remember ? at Blue Collar Muse
Memorial Day by Pet Campbell
The Knucklehead of the Day award at The Florida Masochist
Notes from Ferdy - Dog Bites Man, Sun Rises in East, Chinese Toothpaste Contains Poison Additive at The Conservative Cat
A soldier Coming home?..Two stories at stikNstein?.has no mercy
A Memorial Day Speech from 2001 at Blog @
The US and Iran Talk and Iran Offers Good Faith? from DeMediacratic Nation
American Traitor Adam Gadahn Issues New Treats via from Blue Star Chronicles
Hillary Rodham Wants Socialism, Again from Big Dogs Weblog
Hillary Rodham Wants Socialism, Again from America?s Victory 08
Cindy Sheehan leads by example: Surrenders...from Public Eye
Moral equivalency at UPI from Nuke?s NEWS & VIEWS
Pelosi: Climate Change Is a Reality from Public Eye

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Green Fields of France

A few of us gathered yesterday and to the early morning hours. Cooking out, remembering and my buddy Gabe broke out his mandolin and we sang some of the Old Songs.

This one I knew would make a great Memorial Day dedication song and I was fortunate enough to find it on youtube.

This is the dedication by the poster there and I echo his sentiments

This is my tribute to those who fought in World War One, in fact all vets of all wars. As a solider, I know the waste of war first hand and WW I was one of the most wasteful. But at the same time, I know you must fight for your freedoms. Eric Bogle wrote the song, Green Fields of France, also known as No Man's Land. Piet Chielens, coordinator of the In Flanders Fields War Museum in Ypres, Belgium, once checked all 1,700,000 names that are registered with the Commonwealth War Commission. He found no less than ten Privates William McBride. The song is covered by the group Dropkick Murphy


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Sunday, 27 May 2007
Reality Via Day By Day
It would be nice if the following were reality, but not likely under the present circumstances.

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Wednesday, 23 May 2007
If You Go Outside And Spit
Topic: Global Warming
You will have the same effect on the Climate as doubling carbon dioxide.

At least according to Reid A. Bryson who holds the 30th PhD in Meteorology granted in the history of American education. Emeritus Professor and founding chairman of the University of Wisconsin Department of Meteorology?now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences.

There is a very interesting article on this to be found in the May 23rd issue of the


The Faithful Heretic

A Wisconsin
Icon Pursues Tough Questions

Some people are lucky enough to enjoy their
work, some are lucky enough to love it, and then there’s
Reid Bryson. At age 86, he’s still hard at it every day,
delving into the science some say he invented.

Reid A. Bryson holds the 30th PhD in Meteorology
granted in the history of American education. Emeritus Professor
and founding chairman of the University of Wisconsin Department
of Meteorology—now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric
Sciences—in the 1970s he became the first director of
what’s now the UW’s Gaylord Nelson Institute of
Environmental Studies. He’s a member of the United Nations
Global 500 Roll of Honor—created, the U.N. says, to recognize
“outstanding achievements in the protection and improvement
of the environment.” He has authored five books and more
than 230 other publications and was identified by the British
Institute of Geographers as the most frequently cited climatologist
in the world.

Long ago in the Army Air Corps, Bryson and
a colleague prepared the aviation weather forecast that predicted
discovery of the jet stream by a group of B-29s flying to and
from Tokyo. Their warning to expect westerly winds at 168 knots
earned Bryson and his friend a chewing out from a general—and
the general’s apology the next day when he learned they
were right. Bryson flew into a couple of typhoons in 1944, three
years before the Weather Service officially did such things,
and he prepared the forecast for the homeward flight of the
Enola Gay. Back in Wisconsin, he built a program at the UW that’s
trained some of the nation’s leading climatologists.

How Little We Know

Bryson is a believer in climate change, in
that he’s as quick as anyone to acknowledge that Earth’s
climate has done nothing but change throughout the planet’s
existence. In fact, he took that knowledge a big step further,
earlier than probably anyone else. Almost 40 years ago, Bryson
stood before the American Association for the Advancement of
Science and presented a paper saying human activity could alter

“I was laughed off the platform for saying
that,” he told Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News.

In the 1960s, Bryson’s idea was widely
considered a radical proposition. But nowadays things have turned
almost in the opposite direction: Hardly a day passes without
some authority figure claiming that whatever the climate happens
to be doing, human activity must be part of the explanation.
And once again, Bryson is challenging the conventional wisdom.

“Climate’s always been changing
and it’s been changing rapidly at various times, and so
something was making it change in the past,” he told us
in an interview this past winter. “Before there were enough
people to make any difference at all, two million years ago,
nobody was changing the climate, yet the climate was changing,

“All this argument is the temperature
going up or not, it’s absurd,” Bryson continues.
“Of course it’s going up. It has gone up since the
early 1800s, before the Industrial Revolution, because we’re
coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we’re putting
more carbon dioxide into the air.”

Little Ice Age? That’s what chased the
Vikings out of Greenland after they’d farmed there for
a few hundred years during the Mediaeval Warm Period, an earlier
run of a few centuries when the planet was very likely warmer
than it is now, without any help from industrial activity in
making it that way. What’s called “proxy evidence”—assorted
clues extrapolated from marine sediment cores, pollen specimens,
and tree-ring data—helps reconstruct the climate in those
times before instrumental temperature records existed.

We ask about that evidence, but Bryson says
it’s second-tier stuff. “Don’t talk about
proxies,” he says. “We have written evidence, eyeball
evidence. When Eric the Red went to Greenland, how did he get
there? It’s all written down.”

Bryson describes the navigational instructions
provided for Norse mariners making their way from Europe to
their settlements in Greenland. The place was named for a reason:
The Norse farmed there from the 10th century to the 13th, a
somewhat longer period than the United States has existed. But
around 1200 the mariners’ instructions changed in a big
way. Ice became a major navigational reference. Today, old Viking
farmsteads are covered by glaciers.

Bryson mentions the retreat of Alpine glaciers,
common grist for current headlines. “What do they find
when the ice sheets retreat, in the Alps?”

We recall the two-year-old report saying a
mature forest and agricultural water-management structures had
been discovered emerging from the ice, seeing sunlight for the
first time in thousands of years. Bryson interrupts excitedly.

“A silver mine! The guys had stacked
up their tools because they were going to be back the next spring
to mine more silver, only the snow never went,” he says.
“There used to be less ice than now. It’s just getting
back to normal.”

What Leads, What Follows?

What is normal? Maybe continuous change is
the only thing that qualifies. There’s been warming over
the past 150 years and even though it’s less than one
degree, Celsius, something had to cause it. The usual suspect
is the “greenhouse effect,” various atmospheric
gases trapping solar energy, preventing it being reflected back
into space.

We ask Bryson what could be making the key

Q: Could you rank the things
that have the most significant impact and where would you put
carbon dioxide on the list?

A: Well let me give you one
fact first. In the first 30 feet of the atmosphere, on the average,
outward radiation from the Earth, which is what CO2 is supposed
to affect, how much [of the reflected energy] is absorbed by
water vapor? In the first 30 feet, 80 percent, okay?

Q: Eighty percent of the
heat radiated back from the surface is absorbed in the first
30 feet by water vapor…

A: And how much is absorbed
by carbon dioxide? Eight hundredths of one percent. One one-thousandth
as important as water vapor. You can go outside and spit and
have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide.

This begs questions about the widely publicized
mathematical models researchers run through supercomputers to
generate climate scenarios 50 or 100 years in the future. Bryson
says the data fed into the computers overemphasizes carbon dioxide
and accounts poorly for the effects of clouds—water vapor.
Asked to evaluate the models’ long-range predictive ability,
he answers with another question: “Do you believe a five-day

Bryson says he looks in the opposite direction,
at past climate conditions, for clues to future climate behavior.
Trying that approach in the weeks following our interview, Wisconsin
Energy Cooperative News soon found six separate papers about
Antarctic ice core studies, published in peer-reviewed scientific
journals between 1999 and 2006. The ice core data allowed researchers
to examine multiple climate changes reaching back over the past
650,000 years. All six studies found atmospheric carbon dioxide
concentrations tracking closely with temperatures, but with
CO2 lagging behind changes in temperature, rather than leading
them. The time lag between temperatures moving up—or down—and
carbon dioxide following ranged from a few hundred to a few
thousand years.

Renaissance Man, Marathon Man

When others were laughing at the concept, Reid
Bryson was laying the ground floor for scientific investigation
of human impacts on climate. We asked UW Professor Ed Hopkins,
the assistant state climatologist, about the significance of
Bryson’s work in advancing the science he’s now
practiced for six decades.

“His contributions are manifold,”
Hopkins said. “He wrote Climates of Hunger back in the
1970s looking at how climate changes over the last several thousand
years have affected human activity and human cultures.”

This, he suggests, is traceable to Bryson’s
high-school interest in archaeology, followed by college degrees
in geology, then meteorology, and studies in oceanography, limnology,
and other disciplines. “He’s looked at the interconnections
of all these things and their impact on human societies,”
Hopkins says. “He’s one of those people I would
say is a Renaissance person.”

The Renaissance, of course, produced its share
of heretics, and 21 years after he supposedly retired, one could
ponder whether Bryson’s work today is a tale of continuing
heresy, or of conventional wisdom being outpaced by an octogenarian.

Without addressing—or being asked—that
question, UW Green Bay Emeritus Professor Joseph Moran agrees
that Bryson qualifies as “the father of the science of
modern climatology.”

“In his lifetime, in his career, he has
shaped the future as well as the present state of climatology,”
Moran says, adding, “We’re going to see his legacy
with us for many generations to come.”

Holding bachelor’s and master’s
degrees from Boston College, Moran became a doctoral candidate
under Bryson in the late 1960s and early ’70s. “I
came to Wisconsin because he was there,” Moran told us.

With Hopkins, Moran co-authored Wisconsin’s
Weather and Climate, a book aimed at teachers, students, outdoor
enthusiasts, and workers with a need to understand what the
weather does and why. Bryson wrote a preface for the book but
Hopkins told us the editors “couldn’t fathom”
certain comments, thinking he was being too flippant with the
remark that “Wisconsin is not for wimps when it comes
to weather.”

Clearly what those editors couldn’t
fathom was that Bryson simply enjoys mulling over the reasons
weather and climate behave as they do and what might make them—and
consequently us—behave differently. This was immediately
obvious when we asked him why, at his age, he keeps showing
up for work at a job he’s no longer paid to do.

“It’s fun!” he said. Ed Hopkins
and Joe Moran would undoubtedly agree.

“I think that’s one of the reasons
for his longevity,” Moran says. “He’s so interested
and inquisitive. I regard him as a pot-stirrer. Sometimes people
don’t react well when you challenge their long-held ideas,
but that’s how real science takes place.”—Dave

Myself I have a terrible confession to make, if spitting has the same effect as doubling Carbon Dioxide then I have done far worse damage to the Climate in the past camping, with another means of emitting fluids!

I expect the arrival at any time of our present day Neo-Luddites in full hue and cry

Death to the Carbon Despoilers!

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