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Mr Speaker , he (the Honourble from Parit Sulong, Johor) has taken one hour (whereas the Speaker has already restricted each speak to 40 minutes). (I hope) I am (given) one hour. Dr Tan: Because we can also read the headlines (on money politics, nepotism and cronyism in UMNO). PAX AMERICANA Therefore, does Your Honourable agree that in the effort to get rid of immigrants or to reduce the flooding of immigrants with or without permits, the Government must stop the exploitation…because in Langkawi (constituency) this thing still happens, Myanmese immigrants are used for political interest as voters. Similarly, apart from that, does Your Honourable (know) that among the methods used is the introduction of minimum wage to encourage local voters to take over from immigrants. Dr Tan: Mr Speaker, thank you the Honourable from Pokok Sena whose statement has a basis. If we study what has happened in this country including Sabah, in Likas, and in Langkawi, we can come across immigrants being used for self-seeking or self-serving objectives. We have to eradicate this thing. That is why I have proposed setting up a Royal Commission of Inquiry to investigate these. Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz (the Honourable from Sri Gasing, Johor): stood. The Deputy Speaker: Yes, Your Honourable, there is somebody standing up, Sri Gading. Dr Tan: I don't have enough time. I still have 16 more pages. The Deputy Speaker: Would Your Honourable like to give way? Dr Tan: ..just a short one, don't be too long. Datuk haji Nohamad bi Haji Aziz: A little bit, also a question. Now (the Honourable from) Kepong is from DAP praising PAS from Pokok Sena is because of the by-election in Ketari. DAP wants the help of PAS. A little information. Dr Tan: this has nothing to do with Ketari where there are not many immigrants. Tuan Haji Mahfuz bin Haji Omar: The aborigines there. Dr Tan: Ha, the aborigines there. The Deputy Speaker: Your Honourable, please continue. Dr Tan: Now, there is no political interest. What is most important is the national interest. Therefore, we must have a Royal Commission to inquire into all these including from Rompin. How have they (the Government) allowed the situation that is not so good to continue for over two decades? Dato'Dr HajiJamaludin bin Dato' Mohd Jarjis (the Honourable from Rompin): stood. The Deputy Speaker: Yes. Your Honourable, Rompin has stood up. Like to give way? Yes, please. Dr Tan: Don't (disturb). We don't have time. Fortunately, the Speaker is giving me one hour (laughter). Dato' Dr Haji Jamaludin: Thank you. This is one speech by Your Honourable as a DAP leader under full pressure and spirit. I feel that this is possibly (said) in the atmosphere of the by-election (Ketari). But, whether DAP will give Your Honourable the leadership or the torch to carry, I don't know, because the one on your left (the Honourable from Melaka) may have a different agenda, your women also may have a different agenda. I would like to ask in Your Honourable 'datuk's' effort, yes 'datuk' won't be long, there is an accusation about the immigrant issue from the other side (PAS). As an opposition member, naturally Your Honourable has to thank him for his support. Especially in the by-election in Bentong. Can Your Honourable… Datuk Haji Mohamad bin Haji Aziz (the Honourable from Sri Gading, Johor): Ketari, Ketari. Dato' Dr Haji Jamaludin: ..the Ketari by-election. Want to ask a little bit about other issues like illegal immigrants may be raised in Ketari by-election. However, in this political issue, Your Honourable may need support from PAS because there are Malay votes. But, what happens to the support from KeADilan? Because, I believe from the press, it is said that if Your Honourable would like to get support, have to ask here. Here is the President (the Honourble Datuk Haji Fadzil Noor). The Deputy Speaker: Yes, enough. Dato' Dr Haji Jamaludin: And I feel that KeADilan can consider. But, afraid that DAP says DAP does not need support from the public including PAS or KeADilan. Your Honourabe can be on your own. Now, Your Honourable from DAP says that we don't need any… The Deputy Speaker: Your Honourable, enough. Dato' Dr Haji Jamaludin: DAP becomes the champion of Malaysians, we don't need PAS, we don't need KeADilan. Will this do, Your Honourable? (Interjection). Please don't disturb. What is Your Honourable's view on this political issue. Your Honourable watch out, the one at the back, sits at the back. The problem of sitting at the back is not only KeADilan, but also PAS, watch out for the Youth Leader (the Honurable from Pokok Sena, Kedah). Dr Tan: Mr Speaker, I am the person speaking, not the Honourable from Rompin. Our problem here is that the Honourable from Rompin does not follow the Standing Order. If the Honourable from Rompin wants to support us, we welcome (him)….(applause). The support not only from PAS, KeADilan, but also from all parties, we accept. If the Honourable from Rompin wants to speak (in Ketari) together with us, we welcome (him). This is the way. If the Honourable from Chenderoh (The Honourable Entrepreneur Development Minister) would like to go (to speak for us), we welcome (him) because (with Grik and Sauk in his constituency) he has the experience with Al-Mau'nah and so forth. We also hope that he can talk (in DAP gatherings) so that we can overcome the problem of militancy. The Deputy speaker: Yes, Your Honourable, a lot more (to say)? Dr Tan: I also have a problem for him (the Minister for Entrepreneur Development) for entrepreneurship and so forth. His ministry trains many (potential) entrepreneurs. I would like him to train (these people) into real entrepreneurs, not just brokers. This is right… The Deputy Speaker: Yes, Your Honourable, that is a different matter. Dr Tan: Yes, there is a reason, there is a disturbance from the Honourable from Rompin. I am going to shorten my (comment) on immigrants. We have to form a Royal Commission to overcome the problem. Although the Government has taken action (against immigrants), for me, this is not enough and two decades too late. Nevertheless, we hope that the Government use greater efforts to overcome this complicated problem. Mr Speaker, on 6 March this year, the Most Honourable Prime Minister (Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir) launched the Young Professional Chamber Mmalaysia (Promuda). He praises yang Malaysians for their concern about the future and advised them to temper their idealism and impatience with pragmatism. The Prime Minister said in his fluent English:" The New Economic Policy (NEP), which was designed to redress the imbalances in economic development had achieved minimum success not from want of effort on the part of the government but from the tendency to seek the easy way on the part of the Bumiputeras. Remove these government contracts from bumiputeras and they will mostly collapse. Harassed by accusations of cronyism, the government is tempted to abandon the NEP but the future generation will have to make the decision." Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister's statement is meaningful. There is a definite meaning. Because of this, I have just now mentioned it to the Honourable from Chenderoh. The Prime Minister says ' the easy way.' This means that Entrepreneur Development Ministry has to work very hard to get rid of this wrong concept, wrong thinking. The ministry has to revamp itself to deal with this. The Honourable Minister complains about fewer questions for him. To discharge his duties and responsibilities. This is one important question that requires a complete answer. Why many seek the easy way to trade and other activities? Mr Speaker, we do not agree with dividing the people into Bumiputeras and Non-Bumiputeras. Although some say that this is a way to implement positive discrimination, this practice is not good for the country. What often happens is that the spirit of factionalism becomes visible (tebal). On 9 March, 2002, Dr Mahathir said that he was disappointed and felt alone at times because not many people from Kedah are working with the Central Government or joining various companies in Kuala Lumpur. Come to work in Kuala Lumpur. The Deputy Speaker: Yes, someone has stood up, Your Honourabke from Rompin. Dr Tan: He is from Pahang , not Kedah. How does he poke his nose? Come to work in Kuala Lumpur for Kedahans, not for Pahangites. The Deputy Speaker: Yes, the person speaking is from Kepong not Kedah. The one who asks is from Pahang. Rompin has stood up, like to give way? [Laughter] Dato' Dr Haji Jamaludin (Rompin): I would like to ask Kepong. I am afraid Your Honourable from Kepong has said the wrong thing about NEP that has been accepted as a national policy and provision for caring for Malays is clear in the Constitution. Has Your Honourable said that he does not agree with NEP? No need to take care of the Malays who need to be taken care? Because, for me, the image of Your Honourable is good,if I am not mistaken Your Honourable from Kepong as a politician…..I may not agree with Your Honourable in many matters, but there is one matter that Your Honurable as a politician I respect and similarly in DAP, they are afraid of Your Honourable, if they are not afraid, Your Honourable cannot become the Secretary-General (kalau dia orang tidak takut, Yang Berhormat sudah tidak boleh jadi Setiausaha Agung sudah). Because as a politician, the method of Your Honourable in many (matters), we feel proud. Hence, I ask Your Honourable to give some explanation in this matter. Dr Tan: Yes, yes, good, good, good. The question is also good. II have the answer here, yes, naturally, there is an answer. Parochialism occurs in Malaysia. I hope that the Prime Minister is not parochial. If there is a shortage of Kedahans and from other states in the MCS, he must include all, not only those from Kedah. Similarly, in various fields-there is shortage of Non-Malays in the civil service, police and armed forces, shortage of Bumiputeras in private institutes of higher learning, PIHL or IPTS and shortage of males in the teaching profession (and nursing). These are the shortages. We don't want parochialism-it encourages mafias like Perak mafia, Pahang mafia and, some say, Kelantan mafia also. We don't want this type of mafias. We are all Malaysians. The Deputy Speaker: Yes, Your Honourable, a person has stood up. Dr Tan: … if (the Honourable) Rompin becomes the chief, he picks Pahangites only. How can that be? The Deputy Speaker: Yes, he is standing. Like to give way? Dato' Dr Haji Jamaludin: I feel that groupings (factionalism) in an organization, the factional interest in one organization, whether corporate, politics, social, is natural (satu lumrah alam). The important thing is we control it so that it is moderate. See my friend to my right (Y.B. Mohamad Sabu, Kuala Kedah), previously he was a representative for Kelantan people. Kelantanese do not want him, he has been kicked back to Kedah. In PAS also, there is such type of attitude. Another friend previously in UMNO (?the Honourable from Tumpat). Who knows how long will he be in PAS. As time goes on, Kelantanese do not want him, he will be thrown back to Kuala Lumpur, who knows? This thing happens everywhere (laughter), the same in DAP. See Your Honourable, before this, the women Chairperson (Dr Oon Hong Geok), the wife of Your Honourable, this new Women's (Chief) (the Honourable Chong Eng) is afraid, she 'piokkannya', in DAP also (parochialism) exists. However, if… Mdm Chong Eng: interjected. Dato' Dr Haji Jamaludin: Eh, the Women's Chief is also repying… The DeputySpeaker: Yes, Your Honourable, please continue. Dato' Dr Haji Jamaludin: I would like to ask Your Honourable… The Deputy Speaker: Yes. Dr Tan: Mr Speaker, (He is) wasting my time. The Deputy Speaker: It is up to Your Honourable whether you would like to answer him or not. Dr Tan : Mr Speaker, what I meant just now was that the Prime Minister must not be parochial. He must encourage not only Kedahans to come to Kuala Lumpur, but also people from other states. He himself is the (highest) leader from Kedah. Dato' Mahadzir bn Mhod. Khir (the Honurable from Sungai Petani, the Farmers' River: Stood. Dr Tan: Yes, it is enough. The Deputy speaker: Yes, Your Honourable, there is someone standing. Dr Tan: Yes, the river without farmers. The Deputy Speaker: Would like to give way. The Honourable from Sungai Petani, please. Dato' Mahadzir: Thank you Your Honourable from Kepong. Actually, I believe Your Honourable wrongly quoted the Prime Minister and labeled him parochial. Actually, I believe we have to think seriously in what context he made the speech. It was an occasion in which he spoke to people from Kedah only (his alumni). He had a heart to heart talk and felt sad, but because the press then put up the story. DAP interprets it wrongly. So, I hope that Your Honourable can correct this matter. It is not a question of parochialism. Thank you. Dr Tan: Mr Speaker, the most important is that it was the headline. He (the Prime Minister) would like to encourage Kedahans to enter MCS. That was what he said. It was not a wrong quotation. Quote correctly. [Laughter] Mr speaker, I have many other matters to discuss, such as what are the reasons for the shortage of Malay students in the private IHLs? Why are there few Non-Malays in the civil service? In the armed forces, the police. We want to know and how do we solve it? Mr Speaker, it is important to narrow the gap, whether digital, income or other gaps. For instance, this is not just the Honourable from Chenderoh, but also the Honourable from Sungai Petani. We must always be on the look out : how do we narrow the digital divide? (In ICT), the middle-range personnel, there are fewer Malays, students or technicians. Why? This means that the Ministries of Education and Entrepreneurs' Development must work hard to find out the reason for the shortage and the attitude of the Malays. For example, if a Malay is offered a place in a private IHL, he or she does not want it. (Instead) he or she wants to go to UiTM. Maybe, he or she does not have to pay one single cent at UiTM. The Deputy Speaker: Your Honourble from Kepong, the time is already 5.30 PM. Dr Tan: 5.30 and I still have another half an hour? No? The Deputy Speaker: No, tomorrow I give another five minutes. Dr Tan: why five minutes. I have another 15 pages. Mr Speaker, this is true. The Deputy Speaker: It doesn' matter (Laughter), I cannot follow what Your Honourable say, I… Dr Tan: the Honourable from Rompin don't disturb. Give me the time that you would have given to him. The Deputy Speaker: Your Honourble please sit down, our time is 5.30. All the Honourables, the House is adjourned until 10.00 AM tomorrow.
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