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Wednesday 02/06/2002 3:54:13am
Name: Mic (this is cut from another guestbook, at http://purereason.org )
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Homepage Title: Coherent Synthesis
Homepage URL: http://yourmind.makes.it
Referred By: Web Ring
Location: US
Comments: Are we all so far apart in our beliefs in life and spirituality? Are we not all really the same race and species? Our enlightenment relies on the open-mindedness of others. I believe that there is only one true answer to this question, and not one of us really knows what that answer is (in its entirety). So until the day comes when we reach that place and are able to share it with all, we can only find the answers that most logically apply to our own frame of mind. What else is there? You can only quote someone else's philosophy for so long.
Name: Satheesan N. Kochicheril
E-Mail: info@purereason.org
Homepage Title: Pure Reason
Homepage URL: http://www.purereason.org
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: India
Comments: Dear Mic,
We have to get out of the faiths implanted by others in our consciousness to accommodate every one as we are others outside our self. We are all products of the system of God that the prophets called the Truth. We have no right to preach any faith other than become intellectually and emotionally part of Truth, for faiths put barriers between the self and the Truth. I have quoted from great ones to show that they were all guided by the Truth, and not by any faiths humans preach. Adherence to faith is just a mental exercise, not the expression of spirituality. Any object will suffice faith- a tree, a name, an idol or a person (dead or alive). Truth brings intellectual honesty because our existence is rooted in it.
I just found this recently, while browsing web-groups that I had posted to about my page. My words are in blue, his comments to them in red. Quite enlightening.
Date/Time: Saturday, January 26, 2002 at 9:51:59 AM EST
Message:
Sometimes I am at awe at the immensity of love, sometimes I
am at a loss at the confusion of it.
"erehwon" in ACTION!
At one point, it feels that the entire glaxy is revolving around
us, our lips pressed together in an expression of the inexpressible.
Ptolemy was a "fad".
Our hearts pound to an unknown song as our veins pump the blood
of a species still yet to be understood.
"beat" is better for the musical allusion.
The rest may set back medicine a bit. ( veins don't pump )
Where am I in the course of all things?
Lost?
Is love to be understood,
Subjective rationalization for "reproduction"?
and if so, expressed in language?
a.k.a. Poetry!
I have found my coherence, now I am left only to understand it.
Such "self contradiction" is NOT a good sign.
Love to me is still a very new thing.
Is this a "discussion bored" or a "mating attempt"?
My first instinct when encountering the unknown is to learn.
Good luck!
Ignorance overwhelms me with such a burning desire to know.
Now that is interesting. For most, it kinda
slips past, unnoticed.
Once I discover something new in life, there is only one course of action,
and that is to learn.
Sharing actually works far better here.
Ignorance sparks something in me, and that spark builds quite a blaze.
Spontaneous combustion is rare, but it does happen.
Here is my fire and my devotion; to my love of life, and to the love of my life.
the dichotomy may present problems for you.
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." - Confucius
Simplistic and often misinterpreted.
Better is:
"The Maser said....If names are not correct, language is not in accordance
with the truth of things. I f language in not in accordance with
the truth of things, affairs can not be carried on to success....
Therefor a superior man considers it necessary that the names he
uses may be spoken appropriately.... What the superior man
requires, is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect."
Bk XIII, 3
The internet is the largest amassed collection of information on the planet,
and I am only one drop in the shining sea. I hope that my input is useful.
Live in hope, die in despair.
This needs a "lot of work". ( lose it )
Coherent synthesis is an "interesting" title. Don't push your luck.
If it is supposed to be a "message bored", I suggest you link
directly to the "bored" instead of this rather poor and inconsistent
doggeral.
BTW if you are not laffing now, you might not be ready to
"moderate" a bored suggesting "coherent synthesis".
Good luck.
"Until you get to the end, you always seem to have to go just a
little farther."
" Of the many things I have considered, none of them has ever been unthinkable."
" When you really understand what a theist is, atheism,
indeed the rejection of all mystical belief systems, is
reasonably unavoidable. "
" The Final Philosophy is not the end of philosophy, it is
simply the beginning of the end. "
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liz posted 11/12/01 4:03 AM
I have made an enormous amount of progress since jr.high, high school and college. Only by sharing ideas openmindedly and being able to find information on a multitude of subjects have I been able to find out more about who I am and who I would like to be. We need to live in the moment. no one can do this all the time but remembering to do it part of the time can bring peace in the most troubling of times.
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Amalia posted 11/15/01 7:38 AM
Western society today has not taught us to SHARE. It teaches us to be individualistic, successful, competetive and money hungry. For most of us the win-win situation is something unattainable. And yet, collaboration and sharing is the only way to truly win. In unity there is strength. Together we can work to make a better tomorrow for both of us, for all of us. Why is it that when I know I cannot survive without you (any you) I still try to pull away and go my own way? Individualism is fine, and any collaboration must allow leeway for individual expression, ideas and creativity, yet too often these ideas and creativity will not bear fruit unless someone else helps the individual build his or her project. Collaboration is the only way to truly progress.
Amalia
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Mic posted 11/21/01 7:16 AM
I believe that honest dialog always results in a win-win situation. Here is how I would break it down:
1. Both parties agree - this helps both people understand their beliefs from a different angle.
2. Parties disagree - this gives both an opportunity to discuss, debate and explore their opinions even more
3. They disagree to begin with and change opinions mid-conversation - this is learning, this is advancement!
Who is losing out here?
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Amalia posted 11/24/01 2:18 AM
Let me play the devil's advocate here and state that the goal of parties disagreeing is not to broaden their own understanding and see the problem from a different angle, rather, it is to force their own opinion/point of view on the disagreeing party. Under this prism, neither party will be satisfied unless there is a win/lose situation. This is not what I believe in, my views were expressed in my first post, but it certainly is the result of observation in the way the world around us works.
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Liz posted 11/17/01 10:13 PM
Our country was founded on, in part, God and the Christian religion. We
were taught to fear God and those who were in higher spiritual power.
When they finally took religion out of the schools they took away the
one major belirf system. But it wasn't exactly teaching us to live
peacefully. I believe we shou;d have religion in the schools, but not just
one. We should learn of them all, or at least most. This would help
alleviate the racism and ignorance that plagues our people today. The
Christians will not hear of this though Because if the children are able to
see other ways and not just the way of the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit,sooo many of Gods children will be lost to the Evils of the
devil. I do not believe in God anymore. I have finally been able to rid
myself of the guilt I learned to live by and start to love myself and live
peacefully with myself. I love myself and therefor others can truly
love me as well.
My last writing was more clear but hey maybe this will start a dialog
on the subject.
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