(This is a discussion on Harper's Tales in a room called 'hell'. This discussion focuses on harassment and spam globals. Special thanks to D'thon for his help. -- Jueann, a guide, a helper, a harper on Harper's Tales)
New Player Lesson starting at 9 pm est (in about 15 mins) in that favorite hot place. So come and maybe learn something? Just type: hell. Also, snug Saria. She got married today to Liran. Congrats, Gold Rider!
-- entered by Jueann on 2000-02-14 19:52 MOO Time.
Jueann says, "Any questions?"
Amiana blees like the High Reaches llama her alt is. "H'llo...and /how/ do you do the caricature of , the daemon thing? I've seen that in a past lesson as an alt, always wondered what it was."
April isn't a newbie, just came here to watch. :)
Jueann says, "addcom hl=Hell"
April shoots. Gotta go... seeya!
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon crosses her legs and straightens her skirts.
Kanna materializes sleepily... "Ooh, int'rusting."
In a caricature of Minako, the daemon blees like the 'reaches llama she is, and fans her face. Hot down here, no?
Jueann says, "then hl on"
Amiana sent her alt, who is now the Daemon Minako.
In a caricature of Amiana, the daemon burbles. Amazering.
In a caricature of Alanna, the daemon oohos and aaahss
The daemon speaks in Natch's voice, "Remind me again of tonight's topic(s)?"
In a caricature of Amiana, the daemon is finally a /true/ daemon. Amazing. Wow.
Jueann says, "harassment and global spam"
In a caricature of Alanna, the daemon cheesr
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon makes a face "Oh my."
In a caricature of Alanna, the daemon is monitoring a newbie-lesson....the horror!!
Kanna hmms. "Harassment as in what sort?"
Jueann says, "Wait a bit"
In a caricature of Amiana, the daemon blees. Global spam: Evil Incarnate, in some cases.
In a caricature of Amiana, the daemon blees, and must go. Will this be logged?
In a caricature of Alanna, the daemon adoers globals
In a caricature of Amiana, the daemon likes them in moderation.
In a caricature of Kylianna, the daemon's face mystically appears on the daemon.
Jueann says, "This will be logged"
In a caricature of Amiana, the daemon 'kays. Bye, all!
Jueann says, "Already I have one rule in teaching these lesson. Anyone know what it is?"
In a caricature of Kylianna, the daemon knows! No excess spam!
Miarie hrms. No unneccessary spam?
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon heh's "I shall endeavor to be silent'
Jueann nods. "I encourage comments, questions, pages, but all I ask is that it be lesson related.
Jueann says, "Ok, any questions before I start?"
Miarie nopes.
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon offers around her chocolate covered cherries.. silently
Kurt always wanted to see Hell. :)
Ariti blarghs?
Kanna has none, save the query I directed to you a few moments ago.
Jueann says, "kanna, which one? "
Kurt runs back to his amptheater now, happy to have seen hell and survived =D
Kanna chuckles. "Harrassment of what kind, or is this general harrassment?"
Jueann says, "Ok, everyone I want you to type: help harassment and read it carefully. Then I want you to ask questions from it. Kanna, we will be talking about all types"
Khia sneaks in. Eeeee.
help harassment
Harassment of other players will not be tolerated. This means OOC harassment, anything you say that wouldn't be normal for your character, anything paged or whispered, or sent on a channel or vial mail. I have a pretty broad definition of harassment, including unwanted comments of a sexual nature, unreasonably excessive spam, and anything else that makes a player uncomfortable in a negative way.
If you feel that you have been or are being harassed, please log the incident if at all possible, and page and/or mail a wizard about it. I'll warn the person to stop. If I have proof that the person persists in harassing someone, they will be nuked.
A good rule of thumb to go by is to not treat people online any differently than you would in real life. You wouldnt run up to a complete stranger and start attacking them sexually; please don't do it here. That'll be a quick way to a @nuke there.
There is also the AstroArch Consulting, Inc, Acceptable Use Policy, if you feel you are being harassed you are urged to read it. http://www.astroarch.com/aac/security.html. This will outline the enforcement of violating the zero tolerance to harassment. In short harassment of any type will lead to the authorities being called and informed.
Jueann says, "ok everyone's read it? Questions comments?"
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon sits moving her lips as she reads.
Hols wonders, "If you mail someone and don't get a response. How long should you wait before you try again, or should you?"
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon thinks you need to define "Unreasonably exessive"
Kanna hmms. "Now, there /are/ characters who are IC'ly played as 'mean/evil' characters... do they classify as harassment? It seems to me that the definition is rather... loose."
Jueann says, "We take harassment very seriously here."
Jueann says, "ok one question at a time. If you send someone a mail and they don't reply, wait a bit or ask someone else in the area if it's not personal."
Jueann says, "If the person says stop, and you don't, that harassment?"
Jueann says, "Mean and evil characters are that characters."
Jueann says, "Dee is a mean character. She was created to be mean and rude, ic. But she isn't really."
Kanna frowns. "That last sentence didn't make sense, Jueann."
Jueann says, "kanna, which one?"
**Jueann says, "Mean and evil characters are that characters."**
Jueann says, "Mean and evil characters are *just* that. they are characters."
The daemon speaks in Natch's voice, "Most harassment issues are ooc, not ic ones. If a character does something to your character (powerplaying) that's harassment, too. Saying something icly rude, well, that's rp."
Jueann says, "harassment is an ooc issue and not ic"
Jueann says, "What is power-playing?
Kanna ahs. "That makes more sense. Powerplaying would be classed as harassment, then, logically." A pause... "Ahem... Powerplaying is any pose performed by a character that deliberately includes the actions of another person's character without permission or consent. Thereby forcing the other person's character to perform in ways that they do not wish to or making others assume that they acted in ways that the player did not."
In a caricature of Miarie, the daemon hrms. PPing is when you force another player to do something. Like 'Faa pokes Laa, and watches as Laa screams.'
Jueann says, "Now apply it to harassment."
D'thon waves quietly to one and all.
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon offers D'thon one of her cocolate covered cherries.
Jueann says, "If a person says no, and you don't is that harassment?"
Kanna chuckles. "Logically, it would follow that powerplaying, through forcing another's character to do something, would be harassment... eto, 'you don't '. Don't stop? Logically, yes, but if you page and ask for prior permission, then one would assume that it would be allowed."
Jueann says, "All complaints to the guides/leaders/wizards are acted on. We detain you. Talk with you and hope that ends it. "
The daemon speaks in Natch's voice, "Harassment can also be spamming! Nasty thing."
Jueann says, "We are a family moo. And there's no way we can tell what age you are in real life."
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon oh bothers and beats RL with a rolled up newspaper.
Kanna blinks. "And if the person claiming to have been harassed is exactly the opposite? To be precise, someone who harassed you and edited a log to make it seem that s/he was the one harassed? How would one prove one's guiltlessness?"
The daemon speaks in Natch's voice, "Discussing the problem with the people involved usually will get the truth out."
In a caricature of Khia, the daemon shudders as she unidles. Spam is evil. Ech, I'm glad they got rid of that Spamkill global. Stupid person Spamkill'd me about 20 times in a row once. Annoying person.
Jueann says, "The wizards take over. They are the ones that look into the situation. Usually in that case, both parties are detained. And beleive Shirgall and D'thon are good at getting at the truth"
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon nods and seconds that one. "They are quite accomplished truth-digger-outers."
D'thon blushes.
In a caricature of Natch, the daemon pats D'thon's pate.
Kanna hmms. "Hypothetical situation: Someone who has been on the game for a long time misinterprets a page/pose/what-have-you about another person. The person who misinterpreted it takes it to the wizards, who side with that person, in spite of the accused's innocence. What happens then?"
D'thon says, "Well, since you've already said the wizards side with that person, you've created an artificial problem situation. If we make a mistake, we make a mistake."
Kanna did so intentionally. "What happens if the wizards find out they were wrong? Do they simply apologize?"
D'thon shrugs. "I don't know what I'd do until it happens. Next question?"
Hols asks, "How can you be sure that someone with experience will tell you when you're doing what you shouldn't, and you don't know better?
D'thon says, "There aren't any guarantees, but my experience has been that people are usually /very/ willing to give advice."
Jueann says, "Hols, that's what the guides are for and the area leaders. They are here to help you. And the helpfiles here are very extensive. Plus there are websites about this game."
Kanna coughs quietly and excuses herself. Dinner calls.
Jueann says, "This is a game with very strict guidelines, but we also have to obey mundane laws as well."
D'thon says, "For example, Hols, you don't need to put a space after the colon when you emote. You could do this--> :asks, instead of doing this--> : asks,"
Hols says, "Sorry about the space. It's force of habit. "
Jueann says, "Ok Spam globals. Spam that glorious fruit"
D'thon says, "Oh, it's no problem, truly. But people tend to give /plenty/ of help around here. The complaints I've heard have more often been that a player is receiving too much input! ;)"
Sarilka decides to hang out and help if she can, if that's okay? :)
Jueann says, "ok What are spam globals?"
As a good example, I get spammed by a very good friend:
Kiltern watches you intently for a long while, considering the chances of the next action.
Kiltern decides that some things are worth taking a risk for, gently pulling you into his embrace.
With an air of gentleness, Kiltern places his lips upon yours in a soft, quiet kiss. Kiltern closes his eyes, cherishing this moment of time for as long as possible.
Kiltern pulls away, watching your reaction and desperately hoping this risk-taking was not for nothing.
Kiltern pages, "that's what it is :)"
In a caricature of Khia, the daemon oohs. Spam globals are really spammy globals obviously. *Shudder* I remember the Spamkill global. Evil.
Sarilka mmms.. "A spam global is a global that has more than...what is it, 5 or 8 or 10 lines to it? Something like that?"
Jueann chuckles as she gets spammed by Kiltern
Jueann nods. "Also, when you several globals in a row. I knew a friend that sent me a spam global that was scrolled my screen to badly, I was ready to @boot him off the game.
D'thon says, "brb"
Sarilka forgot about that, but nods.
Reeba eeks. "What is meant by a global? If I knew that, I think I could figure out a spam global."
Jueann says, "Globals are fun and wonderful. I'm not saying anything against them. But with everything, moderation."
Jueann says, "I have this nice global which I'm about to spam everyone"
Jueann says, " Suddenly, a whirlwind of brown arms and feet poking out whirl across your screen Sounds of munching and crunching can be heard as your screen is devoured. #@$%*&$#&!!! phhhhtttt (Blame Jueann)Suddenly, a whirlwind of brown arms and feet poking out whirl across your screen Sounds of munching and crunching can be heard as your screen is devoured. #@$%*&$#&!!! phhhhtttt (Blame Jueann)Suddenly, a whirlwind of brown arms and feet poking out whirl across your screen Sounds of munching and crunching can be heard as your screen is devoured. #@$%*&$#&!!! phhhhtttt (Blame Jueann)"
Jueann says, "That is spam folks"
Jueann chuckles. "Sorry Reeba. If you are spammed, log it and then report it.
In a caricature of Khia, the daemon eeks and ducks for cover.
**** At this point, my ISP decides to act up and it took me a few minutes to get back on ***
Jueann sighs and kicks her connection
D'thon sighs and kicks Jueann's .... connection. ;)
Kiltern gets out rope, bungie cords, duct tape, a staple gun, super glue, nails, silly puddy, tacks and bubblegum and permanently affixes you to the net! Hee
Jueann says, "As I was saying sexual explicit globals are very iffy here. We tend to discourage them. If you recieve one and don't feel comfortable with it, complain"
Jueann says, "Any questions, comments?"
S'phen pops in and ducks behind sarilka to hide. he's not here, realy.
Reeba says, "In general, do we have a serious global problem on HT?"
D'thon says, "Not that I've heard of."
Jueann says, "I've never seen it as a guide as a serious problem, usually the person that's been complained about quits as soon as he's paged."
D'thon nod nods.
Reeba giggles. "I guess HT does so well since we all spend time here in Hell!" Reeba comments with a smile.
Jueann chuckles. "This is the best place to teach these lessons."
In a caricature of Khia, the daemon looks innocent about ever coming from Hell.
Sarilka throws a blanket over S'phen. He's a wall decoration, honest.
D'thon says, "In fact, I'd say that 97% of the problems around here disappear as soon as the problem becomes known. Most people don't /intend/ to be bad. Most problems stem from misunderstandings. We only rarely have real trouble-makers and we don't put up with them for long."
Jueann says, "Any thing else?"
Reeba raises her hand and then remembers this is OOC "What actually is the /definition/ of a global in a MOO? Sorry if you already answered it."
Jueann agrees with D'thon. "About 99% of the people we the guides detain are very new players that don't understand moo etiquitte
Jueann says, "Reeba, help global"
D'thon says, "Try 'help globlas' It's a pretty good discussion."
D'thon rootbeers Jueann.
Jueann beats D'thon and giggles.
Ephiny sweeps in effortlessly, her previous engagement with a beautiful, seasonal breeze swelling beneath mallard wigns dying away into wistful stillness.
Jueann says, "Globals are fun but it's the over doing it that causes problems"
Sarilka snugs and goes afk to eat dinner. Brb. :)
Reeba says, "I see. I've always changed them via @messages but I did know they were called globals. Thanks. NOW I understand!"
Hols shakes his head. "I think I understand."
Jueann says, "The hug message is a global."
Reeba says, "I take it they call it a global because it works everywhere in the MOO like a programming language global variable?"
D'thon pats Jueann on the shoulder, "Good job. You've brought enlightenment to this benighted player. Job well done." ;)
Jueann chuckles at D'thon.
Jueann says, "Right"
D'thon noddles to Reeba.
S'phen sits on d'thn. quit picking on jueanne.
D'thon says, "oof!"
Jueann giggles.
Reeba laughs. "Here I thought he was complimenting her."
Jueann says, "Anything else, anything in general you want clarifying?"
In a caricature of Khia, the daemon oohs and ahhs. Brand new D'thon-chair.
D'thon says, "S'phen, you have simply /got/ to lay off those burritos!"
D'thon says, "La-Z-D'thon"
Reeba says, "A question if I may....is there a standard rule for how long the globals should be before they are obnoxious? I have two that are two lines....when do they get to be considered spammy?"
S'phen says, "butbutbutbut, that's my main sourse of newtrision."
Reeba giggles.
Jueann says, "Anything over 3 to 4 lines are spammy in my book"
D'thon says, "Well, if you mean the values you put on your @messages, those are only invoked when someone hug/snug/bap/patpat/etc. TO you."
D'thon says, "My bap message is fairly long, but I can't force it on anyone. they only see it if they bap /me/."
S'phen mmms.
In a caricature of Khia, the daemon oohs and peers at D'thon's bap message.
Jueann says, "And if you truly want to be spammed, +finger Shirgall"
Reeba chuckles. "D'thon, you have to be a harper to understand. We are ALWAYS hugged/snugged/waved etc. We are a friendly bunch - right Jueann?
D'thon is gang-bapped.
Jueann chuckles. K'shaw's hug message is pretty long but I like reading it.
D'thon says, "All my messages used to be quite long. Kira finally convinced me that I was being anti-social so I trimmed em all except for my bap."
Jueann chuckles and finishes the lesson. If there isn't anything else, then byebye
D'thon gives Jueann a standing ovation!
Hols says, "Thank you for the class."
D'thon says, "Brava! Bravissimo!"
Jueann blushes.
*** Thus ends another log in the hot place at Harpers Tale. *****
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