A Lesson in Hell

Hell
This place is about as far from Pern as you can get. It's a bar, you can tell that much. Along one wall is a huge row of windows that offer a nice view of space, and you notice spacecraft bustling about from time to time. Graffiti is spray-painted on the other wall. Numerous comfy chairs, couches, and tables fill the room. It's a good place to hang out OOC for a while.
You can easily see that this is a public place. If someone tells you to leave, tell them to go to Pern.
You can type 'return' to return to the place you came from.

You sense that Melika is looking for you in Female Apprentice Dorms (#1135).
Melika pages, "Just asking about an approx time since, time is relative to where you connect from!!"

Jueann paged Melika with: Jueann pages, "9 pm est tonight"

You sense that Melika is looking for you in Female Apprentice Dorms (#1135).
Melika pages, "Thanks much...I'll be online for a while by then!! ;)"

Jueann says, "So what do you want to talk about?"
Miria grins. Not sure. Just kinda came here for the discussion.

From afar, Shaiyun squeaks. D'ya know how to get to Hell?
You paged Shaiyun with: Jueann pages, "type hell"

Jethro hmms and thinks....

Jueann chuckles. "I felt like teaching. We can talk about ic/ooc.
Jethro grins. OK.

Jueann smiles to all. "So any questions before we start?"

Shaiyun bounces around crazily. "Always knew I'd come here!"
Linora chuckles. It's pretty different to see '/come/ to Hell.' :)
[Hell] Telarion says, "They do say misery loves company. ;)"

Jueann chuckles. "This is an OOC place. So we can talk freely here

Linora is here to see if she can pick up anything new and/or offer anything useful.

Jueann says, "Alright, no questions? So what is ic?"

Linora sticks up a hand. "Anything your character says or does as that character. Not as the player."Shaiyun peeks a hand up. "IC stands for In-Character, which is basically what your character is saying/doing, and not to be confused with the player. I.e: just cause your character is a pregnant alcoholic doesn't mean the player is."
Miria chuckles. Let's see if I can elaborate on that. On Pern, chasing wherries would be IC. Eating a Whopper Junior would not.

Linora grins. What about keeping wherries as pets? O:)
Jethro says, "And anything OOC shouldn't be incorporated in it. For example, the saying, "Motor Mouth" is OOC. If you say it on HT, it'll be confusing because there aren't any motors on Pern."

Jueann peers at Linora, "Because Wherries are dangerous. they are like 6 legged ostrich."
Shaiyun says, "I think you can mutate various sayings, though, so that they're more Pernese."
Linora snerks. I'm not the one keeping it as a pet.

Jueann tickles Linora.

[Hell] Sarin grins. Yeah, like, "Runner in front of a proddy dragon." We came up with that for "deer in the headlights" once...

Jueann nods to Jethro, "Right. OOC is dealing with the player and IC deals with Pern and your character. We do have a nice helpfile: help definition

Linora has seen people use unIC expressions as part of their non-spoken poses and for the most part it doesn't annoy me.
Shaiyun snickers. "Nice one."

Jueann nods to Linora, "I saw someone last week pose a tongue ring."

Jethro says, "Also, a Penny for your thoughts. You could make it, A Mark for your thoughts, but it wouldn't sound quite right..."
Miria nods to Linora. Helps people identify exactly what they're doing sometimes.

Jueann says, "Jethro, try a quarter mark for your thoughts"

Jethro says, "Well... It still kinda sounds weird."
Shaiyun nods. "I think as long as your character doesn't verbalise it, then it's okay. What about some words, like 'saint' and 'saintly'? Could they be defined as IC, even though Pern doesn't have saints, simply cause the word might've travelled over?"
[Hell] Sarin grins at Jethro, "Or you could just say, I rank you. Tell me what you're thinking or I'll demote you..."
Jethro grins.

Jueann nods. Remember we live on Earth in real life with all its hang ups and try dealing with an alien world.

Kelana waves to everybody. "Sorry...just got on and saw @party."
Linora belatedly eeks at Jueann about the tongue ring. That's not really what I meant.

Jueann nods to Kelana. "We're discussing ic/ooc
Kelana raises eyebrows. "Okay...I'm on [Hell] so I got some of what you're talking about..."
Shaiyun oh yeahs. "How IC are body-piercings? And what about tattoos?"
Kelana says, "I think tattoos are IC..."

Jueann chuckles. "In posing, do you respond to someone thinking about doing something?
Jueann says, "Tattoos are simple things. "

Kelana ouches. "That was one of the worst habits I had when I first started..."
Jethro says, "No. We can't read minds, so we don't know what they're thinking. Sure, we know OOCly what they're thinking, but not ICly."
[Hell] Sarin has heard that tatoos and piercings can sometimes be made IC if you get it from a trader or something, but they aren't all that common...
Kelana nods. "Exactly. We're not psychic here..."
Shaiyun says, "Although you could respond nonverbally to what they're doing. I.e: 'Perhaps Snug is crazy. "Oh yeah, whatever." Foof says.' 'Snug might well be insane. "Alright, then." she replies.'"

Jueann says, "Thouhgt posings do set the mood. Like Jueann sits at the table, her eyes sad as she thinks about the amount of work waiting for her upstairs."

Linora has responded in another thought. Like if someone poses saying something and thinking another, I might pose the same sort of thing. My spoken part will respond to whatever they said, but I might throw in a pose about thinking about something else, not necessarily related to theirs.
Kelana nods. I do that a lot...
Linora really goes nuts when someone just sits in a crowd and poses... a thought. Nothing else.

Shaiyun nods at Sarin. "And I guess piercings aren't all that hard to do, if you numb the area. Hurts like hell, but...And there's always henna for tattoos."
Jethro nods. I've done that... But I think that that part is kinda OOC with a mix of IC? I mean, the topic is IC, but the response is OOC because we know what to respond to?
[Hell] Sarin nods. Sometimes the non-spoken parts of the poses are the best parts.... Yeah, Linora, that gets annoying because then you can't really respond to it, but it's still there.

Jueann nods. Sometimes, you had to think in earth terms to discribe something. It happens, it always clarify what you are trying to convey but try to use Pern verbage.

Linora nods. And it's worse if the person who's just sitting there thinking gets upset because they're being ignored.
Kelana grins. Pernese idioms are fine but there's just not enough of them...

Jueann says, "Alright, a new person walks into the mug, sees you there. IC: You two have never met, he comes up to you and say, "HI Linora, I'm new I just got out of the Birthplace." What should you do?"

Shaiyun blinks. "Page him/her about it, explain it's not really IC, and start over?"

Jueann says, "No joke, I've seen it happen"

[Hell] Sarin says, "take them aside and explain IC/OOC to them. Or send them to the helpfiles, if for whatever reason you can't deal with it"
Linora would page them politely. It's happened.
Kelana hmms a bit. You could tell them what they're doing wrong in a page and just pose around it.
Kelana blushes. I did that once...
Jethro says, "They said it OOCly in an IC pose... (I've done it before). Hmm... Yeah, page them, show them a few examples, point them to the helpfiles... And if all doesn't work, page a guide?"

Jueann says, "right,. Dont' yell at them. Don't tell them, they are stupid. If you need help, page a guide."

Kelana nods. Don't yell at them, they feel bad enough already. Be polite.
Shaiyun has done that too, Kelana. :P Not here, but elsewhere.
Linora thinks yelling never helps. I remember being new too well, and how hard it was feeling my way around this place.

Jueann nods. "Right. What about people mixing ic and ooc and doing it on purpose?"

Shaiyun thinks you should never yell at a newbie for just being a newbie. I got yelled at first time on a new game, new to MOOing, and it wasn't all that pleasant.
Shaiyun peeks at Jueann. "How do you mean?"
Kelana shrugs. "On purpose? I don't know...most people wouldn't do that, would they?"
Linora eeks. I tend to think that's a matter of comfort. There are people who just insist on doing un-IC things.
[Hell] Sarin did it once when I first started... some nice person just took me off to an isolated place and gave me the whole spiel. Wish I could remember who, now ;) If they're doing it on purpose, probably talk to them, and if they refuse to stop, let a guide know?
Jethro does that without noticing... But not on purpose... Umm, no clue? The daemon's probably right.

Jueann has had to deal with people that want to bring ooc to ic. Like someone created a cd-player.

Shaiyun hairy eyeballs. Seriously?
Jethro ahs... "Umm, well, you explain to them that the technology isn't great (politely, mind you), that we don't have music from CDs, cassettes or what have you, and that they should read 'Help theme' or a helpfile that helps them understand what can or can't be made on Pern."
Kelana nods thoughtfully. "People create unIC objects, like a canopy bed or a coconut bra, but they usually don't refer to that in their IC poses, in my experience. (admittedly not much :P)"

Jueann nods. "Oh yes.

Shaiyun has had to deal with newbies who're rude and inconsiderate, but that's generally because they're not aware of MOOetiquette and are of a more chatroom mentality.
Kelana nods. Once they're more familiar with the MOO they usually don't do that kind of stuff.
[Hell] Sarin nods. I've seen a few un-ic objects in people's bags and such, but the ones I've seen are specifically labeled OOC and just used for fun in Hell or whatever

Jueann nods. "I saw someone taking everything in his path. Including a runner and his sleeping (disconnected) rider.

Kelana giggles...I @created a trundlebug puppet once. ;)
Miria points out that trundlebugs actually /exist/ on Pern though.
Shaiyun blushes. I did something a tad like that once...I took a dragon, a firelizard egg, and...a few other things, but I didn't realise you weren't allowed to do that.
Kelana nods. I know...

Linora tries to catch up.. wow. You took a dragon? o.o
Miria blushes as well. I took an egg on my first day. I was such an 'orrible newbie. :P
Kelana raises eyebrows at Shaiyun. Doesn't it give you an error message when you do that?

Jueann chuckles. "Well, If you have someone being ooc and you've asked him/her to stop and they don't then what?"

[Hell] Sarin would let a guide or their area leaders know about it

Shaiyun did, and didn't even realise I'd done it until someone looked at me and told me. It wasn't on here, it was elsewhere...it just said 'Dragonth circles upwards in a rush of wings'
Kelana spent a week or two stuck in the Birthplace 'cuz I was too scared to ask a guide to ok me...I read most of the helpfiles so I didn't do stuff like that. ;
Linora bonds with Kelana.

Jueann nods to Jesk and Jethro, "Then it's the matter of the guides."

Linora has noticed that there are some people who aren't interested in being helped.

Jueann tickles Kelana. The guides aren't scary. I'm very lovable and so is Lothar. "

Kelana nods. There're always a few bad apples...

Jesk nods to Linora, "We call those people Twinks.. ;)
Jesk says, "And for those that don't know.. /I'm/ Lothar. ;)"

Shaiyun thinks that if you can't deal with something without being snippy, hand it to someone who can. ::nods at Linora:: Some people just come on to annoy the heck out of people, and then vanish.
Linora kisses Jesk.
[Hell] Sarin used to be terrified of anyone higher ranking than a sr appy ;)
Kelana peers at Jueann. "I know that /now/..." ;D

Jesk chuckles and patpats Sarin.. :)

Miria lurves the guides. Guides are such /cool/ folk. :P I couldn't find out half the things on this MOO 'til about 2 months later, and I got frustrated and got off the MOO for 'bout a month because I couldn't figure anything out.
Kelana is confused now. Sarin? Where? :P
Miria notes: 2 months after I created my first char. (This is my 4th.)

Jueann says, "Any questions about icness? "
Jesk says, "If you ever have any question about the MOO or how it works, or other things, Ask around the MOO if you can't find a Guide, there's /bound/ to be /someone/ who knows.. ;)"

[Hell] Sarin giggles at Jesk. But, I got over it. For one, I'd have to be afraid of myself now.
Kelana KILLS her connection...sorry. ;P
[Hell] Sarin patpats.

Jesk strokes his Connection.. What.. 70 days now?
Jueann says, "I can be found mostly in the afternoon and evening. Although I do walk away from my keyboard for a couple hours. Real life comes first"

Shaiyun says, "And remember, guides, riders, holders, crafters, players, whatever, all have bad days sometimes."
[Hell] Sarin notes that if guides aren't available, area staff can be helpful sometimes too, particularly if your question is related to their area.
Kelana stares popeyed at Jesk. I thought Shirgall was the only one to stay on that long...
Linora /nods/. We all do. I try to not log in if I'm intolerable though. Or just hide.

Jesk nods, "Right Jueann, right Shaiyun.. Most important thing to remember to make your time here enjoyable.. Remember that this IS A GAME!

Shaiyun doubletakes at Jesk. It is?

Jesk smiles at Kelana, "I'm makeing a statement that Shirgall's not the only one that can do it.. ;)

Kelana faints. A /game/? Why didn't anyone ever /tell/ me?!?! ;P

Jueann chuckles. "Ok, what is spam?
Jesk chuckles and tickles, "You know what I mean, if you get too stressed, too upset, just turn it off and walk away, back to RL... That's something that /I've/ had to learn recently..
Jesk says, "Useless chatter/text.."

Kelana grins. Spiced ham. ;)
Jesk says, "If it has a point/meaning, no matter how long it is, I don't consider it spam, but if it's pointless ramblings, then it's spam, no matter how short it is..."

[Hell] Sarin says, "basically it's an overload of text. It can be useless, but sometimes it's just too much. For example, if you're in a really crowded area and someone pages you, you might say, "Sorry, I'm spammed, I'll get back to you.""

Jueann nods to Jesk. "Alot of people can't handle spam. Me included. Ive walked away alot of rp'ing because I can't handle people that do 7 to 12 line poses."

Shaiyun thinks spam is, essentially, an overload of text. Some descriptions are too spammy for me to read, so I skip them, which is a shame.
Linora nods. You can get spammed by pages, channels... big crowds... I don't mind long poses. But I have trouble managing any RP with more than four people in it.

Jesk nods to Jueann, "I do my best to avoid RPing in crowds any bigger than 5-6...

Jethro says, "Oh my... I guess my desc is pretty spammy..."

Jesk says, "Oh Yea.."
Linora says, "If it doesn't fit on my screen, I skip it. "
Jethro says, "See? :)"
Kelana oifs. Sometimes I have my flits away from me so I'm receiving dialogue from three different places, then all the channels I'm on...X_X

Jesk grins, "I can't use that rule Linora.. My Screen is about 200 Lines long.. ;)

Shaiyun peeks. Not really. :P Spam for me is kinda screen-sized.
Linora gapes. Um.

Jueann chuckles. "AS a guide, we do look for un ic things in description. I saw a girl wanting a hawk.

Kelana grins at Jethro. Rather. ;)
Miria notes that Spam is very tasty. The RL version. On HT, spam is NOT GOOD. I can't keep up with it all.
Shaiyun says, "Are hawks not a Pernese bird, then?"

Jesk chuckles at Jueann, "I've seen worse.. :) I've seen several DBZ characters try to get chars here..

Kelana says, "there are no birds on Pern..."
Linora has seen longer descs, Jethro.

Jueann nods to Shaiyun

[Hell] Sarin likes long poses if there are about three people around. If it's a big group, I try to avoid it, but if it's not possible I ignore everything that's not directed at me ;)
Linora thought there were avians. Aren't those birds?

Jesk says, "That is not true, there are avians on Pern.."

Jethro says, "Oh... Umm. :)"Kelana says, "except wherries and they aren't really..."

Jueann says, "no birds except chickens and fowl. Tunnel snakes find them yummy."
Jesk says, "No The herder craft /does/ have an Avian specialist, there are birds.."

Shaiyun will go and check the DLG later. :P I'm lazy.

Jueann turns to Jesk. "What kind of birds?"
Jesk pulls out his trusty DLG.. :)

Miria has a DLG with her if anyone needs confirmation on shtuff?
Kelana facepalms. Of course, the chickens...I need the DLG. ;)
Miria wonders why you gave one to me for my birthday then, Kelana. *smooch*
Kelana gave my friend the DLG and sorta read it before then...;)

Jesk says, "You'd have to contact the Avian specialist, she has a list of IC avians, but I can try to find out.. I just know that she did prove them IC.."

[Hell] Sarin seems to be really behind the conversation. Don't mind me....Shaiyun knows that silkworm silk is unIC, but isn't it possible (if you're incredibly stupid and have loads of time) to gather crawler webs to spin silk?

Jesk grins at Sarin, "Well, you're RPing, so you're going to tend to be behind.. :)

Jueann chuckles. "I know those two Sarin, They do try be as IC as possible and to create interesting rp'ing. Then they nuke

Linora ums.. the Pernese equivalent of silk is sisal.
Shaiyun nods at Linora. So I've been told, but isn't sisal a kinda roughish material?

Jesk says, "Right.. ;)"

Jethro says, "RL is kinda being annoying. Don't mind me if I'm idle for semi-long periods of time."
Linora is pretty sure it's a plant product. Pernese sisal isn't like Earth sisal.

Jesk says, "Not if it's processed enough, it can be made close to silk.."

Linora says, "apparently. I had a long discussion with someone about it."
Miria dudes. I found my little carefully traced and colored piece of paper with Weyr and Hold heraldry on it. :)
Kelana giggles.

Jesk says, "Ok, I need to go fix breakfast.. Later folks..."
Jueann says, "A DLG is The Dragonlover's Guide to Pern. If you don't have one, you should get a copy. It's almost the Bible on how we determine what's ic and what isn't"

Shaiyun okies. What about lace though? I know it looks really lovely and everything, and it's fun to desc into big ballgowns, but I think lace on Pern has to be handmade and thus, wouldn't it be kinda costly?
Kelana has ballet rehearsals going on so she won't be on as much...

Jueann nods to Shaiyun, "It is. Check with the weavers.

Shaiyun says, "Not to mention the fact an entire lacy gown would take /months/ to complete."
Linora isn't generally bothered by occasional mild diversions from strict IC. Especially if they're unspoken.
Shaiyun is going to have to go and consume onion soup soon, before my head stuffs up again.
[Hell] Sarin nods. To be terribly IC, most anyone below the rank of master, Lord/Lady holder or the equivalent shouldn't have more than one or two sets of clothing and one pair of shoes, but that doesn't stop people.
Miria hms. Question about ICly going places. I just found a Seacliffs Hold person down here at Ista.

Jueann says, "Glaring un ic ness isn't allowed but unless a guide or a leader doesnt' see it, it doable. We allow alot slide by but remember this. This moo is based on a copyrighted world. The Wizzens, the leaders and the guides walk a sharp line. "

Miria *elsealt that is.
Shaiyun grins at Sarin. I have an ex-weaver elsemoo who recycles her old clothing to make new stuff...it just keeps getting more and more abbreviated. :P
Kelana grins at Miria. That's one more reason to be a 'rider...you nearly always have IC transportation. ;)

Jueann says, "I know one person that ahs 4 runners and isn't a herder"

Shaiyun is gonna have to go have supper. Yum. -- Miria, that's why I give most of my characters sprawling families all over the place, so they have an IC excuse to be wherever. - Bye everyone!

Jueann waves.

Jueann says, "So anything else"
[Hell] Sarin grins and waves. Yes, the joys of making up IC excuses. I don't know how many times I "delivered maps" as an apprentice...
Linora notes that starcraft appies at least need ooc permission from a jman to travel anyplace and should have a pc or npc jman with them. I don't know about other crafts, but basically this alt hardly ever leaves Gar.

Jueann smiles at Sarin, "My problem with traveling is most with the newer players. They rp at Ista and decides they want to go to High Reaches to have a snowball fight.

Miria nods. Actually, I've been caught on some counts of OOC travel myself, so I'm /very very very/ careful to think of an excuse. Albeit a creative one. :)
Miria adds practical and realistic to that too.

Jueann says, "Or worse, be rp'ing with a few people and someone uses the @party and without a by your leave or excuse me. Everyone runs off to the hatching. and I'm left standing alone."

[Hell] Sarin patpats Linora. I have no idea what the travel policy is for dolphincraft apprentices, but we generally don't do anything unless the person gets themselves in trouble. Yeah, Jueann, I hate that....
Linora /hates/ being abandoned in RP for an @party hatching. It's lame.
Keydi has no problem with anyone who can think up an IC reason for traveling somewhere. It's when it's unIC that it bothers me. This character has several reasons, though she tends to stick close to Gar and Ista. Those are within reach. Another character is up in Keroon. A bit harder to come up with a reason : )

Jueann says, "it's rude and un called for. If you want to go to the hatching. You should at least excuse yourself ooc before you do. But just walking out without saying a word is totally rude which can label you as a twink."
Jueann says, "Speaking of which what is a twink?"

Linora nods. And points out to Keydi that you need more than a reason for IC travel. You need to allow for IC transportation. You can't just hop a dragon and be someplace in the blink of an eye if you're not a rider.
Linora thinks a twink is anyone who refuses to correct rude or unIC behavior when it's been pointed out to them.
Keydi is fully aware of that Linora, which is why I always rp out the distance. If I go to Ista? I tend to rp arriving back at Gar the next day : ) But I always have a reason to go.
Kelana agrees with Linora.

Jueann nods. "Riders aren't Pern's taxi Service. They are too busy fighting Thread and staying alive to run a mere apprentice from Ista to Keroon because they want to go."

Linora grins at Keydi and didn't necessarily mean you did that.
Keydi giggles and tickles : )
Linora was thinking more of folks who leave Gar and immediately appear in High Reaches.
[Hell] Friedaria's face mystically appears on the daemon.
Jethro grins. Next thing you know, you find a large sign over a blue dragon saying, "Draggie Taxi service. One mark per ride."
[Hell] Sarin uses rides as an excuse for being places sometimes nowadays, but it's generally either someone that actually gives me RPed rides regularly or "some weyrling that's being punished"

Linora says, "Not during a pass, Jethro. ;)"
Kelana nods.
Linora also poins out that Sarin's got some rank.
Miria nods. I think Weyrlings do taxi service, actually, if they're punished. *leafs through DLG*
Kelana nods at Miria. Think so...
Kelana adds, "But only for higher ranking people, really..."

You say, "Weyrlings aren't allowed to go between until they are almost graduated."

Linora thinks elevator service is more like it.
Miria adds, "And they do elevator service for Weyrfolk when they're not fighting thread to practice flying the updrafts and such."
Linora also points out that unless they're grounded for some reason, weyrlings are pretty darned busy.
[Hell] Friedaria says, "Perhaps a minor Holder would ask a watchrider to bring him to the major hold or the Lord Holder to a minor hold?"
Jethro says, ":grins."
Jethro grins.
Kelana grins at Jethro. ;)

[Hell] Sarin nods. Weyrling or just some more junior person. And never during a fall, obviously. But then, people shouldn't be traveling then anyway...
Jethro is getting really mixed up.
Kelana says, "okay, quotation is says and colon is pose...;)"
[Hell] Sarin patpats Jethro.
Miria abhors using the quotation mark first. I like posing. :)
Jethro says, "OK. What if you have a Dragonrider friend, and they invite you to RP with them, but you (for some reason) @go someplace because you can't find them (even with the @path). If they send the dragon OOCly to bring you to them, is taht OK?"
Jethro says, "That, not taht."
Kelana bonds with Miria. I only used says when I was a newbie.

[Hell] Friedaria says, "You can @go and rp you've been traveling all day."

Jueann says, "Right!"

Kelana coughs. "All that glitters may not be gold, but at least it contains free electrons." *is reading Discover and found that interesting quotation ;)*
[Hell] Sarin personally loves @go because I tend to get myself lost anyplace other than Ista or Gar
Kelana giggles. Sorry. Multitasking is /not/ working for me right now.

Jueann starts to wrap this up. "So did you learn something? have we answered some of your questions?""

Kelana nods. Thank you! ;)
Jethro nods. Learned a lot. *hugs*

Jueann says, "Any questions before we close?"

Kelana shakes her head. "Nope."
Linora thinks it wouldn't hurt to remind everyone that every character's got a real person behind him or her. Who might be nothing like the character.
Kelana grins.

Jueann nods. "Right. If you aren't sure about ic-ness or ooc-ness, page a guide. That's what we are here for.

Jethro says, "Yeah. I mean, a character can be mean and grumpy, but the player can be sweet and nice."
Kelana says, "or the opposite. ;)"
[Hell] Sarin nods. the person who plays my evil crochety old IC grandfather is one of my best friends IRL
[Hell] Friedaria reminds everyone about @guides to see who's available.

Jueann plays, a shy thing, an old lady, a crazed person. Is that the right Jueann? Not hardly

Jethro grins.
Kelana grins. Kelana's more outgoing than I am...;)
Kelana woas. That looks strange...

Jueann says, "I have one alt that is so beyond me in trying to control her ic. Oy! She's a strong personality"
[Hell] Sarin snikkers. Sarin's more social than I am, and better looking ;)
[Hell] Sarin patpats Jueann.
Linora grins. Don't we all have alts better looking than our rl selves? ;)
Kelana has no alts. I have no time.
Kelana rolls her eyes at Linora. Of course...

Jueann says, "But please remember, the player isn't always the character. And when a guide steps in, it's usually we have to deal with the player."

[Hell] Sarin feels sorry for you guides sometimes ;)
[Hell] Friedaria thinks all the guides should get diamonds and chocolates and free babysitters as needed.

Jueann laughs at Friedaria, "The chocolate I'll take. So the hour's up. Anything else?

[Hell] Sarin nods. You guys rock.
[Hell] Friedaria genuflects to Jueann and tosses chocolates

Jueann says, "I fyou care to continue to discuss things, I'll leave the log open. I need to step away for a bit"
Kelana grins. "Thank you again, I learned a lot..."
Miria wonders how many people get irked by undeveloped characters or so-called 'perfect' ones. *and to Jueann, thanks a lot! Learned a bunch! Mwuah*
[Hell] Friedaria says, "All characters are undeveloped, totatlly, and NoOne is perfect."

Miria nods. Well, undeveloped as in they have no personality, really. They just... exist.Kelana nods.
[Hell] Friedaria chuckles "I know rl people like that..."
[Hell] Friedaria says, "Sort of tofu people."
[Hell] Sarin doesn't like generic characters, but it's the ones that try to be perfect that annoy me. You know, not a scratch on their appearance, descs going on about how lovely and intelligent and kind and wonderful they are...
[Hell] Friedaria rp's becoming immediately suspicious.
Miria chuckles. Exactly, Sarin. All my characters have mostly good looks, with maybe an idle scar or mark somewhere, but their personality has some sort of /strange/ quirk about them.

[Hell] Sarin grins. My whole desc reeks of weirdness. I only have one char who's desc is supposed to make her look beautiful, and character wise, she's a wuss.
Linora doesn't mind any kind of character if it's played well.
Miria grins. Character-wise, this character in particular is mostly good-looking, except for a scar on her neck and two different-colored eyes, and she has the potential of being /very/ nutty.
Kelana grins. This char's pretty nondescript...;)

[Hell] Sarin nods. It kind of annoys me when the desc tells you what the char's personality is like. It's one thing if you say something like, "Hand callosed by years of work" or "dark, inquisitive eyes", but things like, "She looks like the nice, sweet person she is" bugs me.

Jueann winces at the term 'years' It's 'turns'

[Hell] Sarin erps. Right. Turns. Sorry, watching IRL TV.
Kelana frowns. Who said years?
[Hell] Sarin is the guilty one.

[Hell] Friedaria says, "Sarin did.. But Sarin, that's a style of writing."
Jethro winces. Scary multi-voiced daemon thingy! *poke*

[Hell] Sarin understands that, I just don't think blatant personality descriptors belong in what's supposed to be a physical description
[Hell] Sarin pokes back.
Kelana can't hear the daemon...
Jethro says, "Umm... Did you hear something that said: In a caricature of Sarin, the daemon pokes back."
Miria hrms. But, the physical feature could make it /appear/ that they have a certain personality?
Kelana shakes her head. No. I've heard it on prior visits to Hell but not now.
Jethro says, "Hmm..."

[Hell] Sarin nods. That I'm ok with. What bugs me is when they blatently tell you that they're a nice person, or something like that. You know, "She has blue eyes, blonde hair, and a sweet temper."
Linora nods. that's just wrong.

Jueann ends the log. "I'll be repeteing this lesson at 9 pm est tonight. I hope you can make it."

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