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See 22 May from Carlos on previous page.  A separate thread.

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Alois located my great grandfather's records.	

 Subject:     genealogy
    Date:     Wed, 26 May 1999 07:46:10 +0200
    From:     "Alois Grolimund" <ech-grolimund.a@eao.com>  
      To:     Bill <Billgrolemund@usa.net>  
      CC:     Carlos <Grolimund.londono@mad.servicom.es>  

Dear Bill

Thank you for your prompt reply

There is a Joanes (Johann), Bürger of Beinwil in the Schwarzbubenland, who 
is born as Josephus Carolus (Joseph Karl) 1776 - 1848 and Anna Maria Karrer`s 
youngest son. We suppose that he died in Lucinda/Klareon. He should be your 
great-grandfather.  [=Clarion County, Pennsylvania]

His oldest brother Anton 1801 - 1862 is Carlo`s (1920) great-grandfather. 
You will probably find them on Carlo`s family tree.

Sister Catharina born 1812 married Holzher(r) emigrateed in 1854 from Bärschwil
(nigthtboor village from Grindel (visited to Carlos and Claudia) to the USA.

So Alois - Andy - Bill - Carlos - Paco - Stefan belong to the same Grolimund
branch in case this is John.

Below please find a list of old related Grolimund family names: 

Grolimung,Grollimund, Grolimond, Groslimond, 
Grolimundt, Grolimunt, Grollomunt, Grolimount.

More information lather.

Kind regards

Alois

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[Translation follows below]
 Subject:    Grolemund Amerika
    Date:    Thu, 27 May 1999 07:35:35 +0200
    From:    "Alois Grolimund" <ech-grolimund.a@eao.com>  
      To:    Stephan <stephan.grolimund@computer.org>  
      CC:    Carlos <Grolimund.londono@mad.>, Bill <Billgrolemund@usa.net>  


Hallo Stephan

Die lange Suche hat nun Früchte getragen.

Dank Dir, Deinem Vater, Carlos+Claudia und Bill konnte ich herausfinden, 
dass Bill aus Amerika zu 99% (das genaue Taufdatum muss ich im Staatsarchiv 
noch heraussuchen, um ganz sicher zu sein) mit uns verwandt ist. Vater Carlos 
und Bill`s Urgrossvater John 1816 waren Brüder. Die Zusammehänge mit uns sind 
mir bekannt. Kannst Du das Deinem Vater gelegentlich mitteilen? Willy und 
Carlos jun. haben sich am Fest in Beinwil kennengelernt. John`s Tod ist im 
Buch "The Family of the Jura", das Willy auch gelesen hat, kurz erwähnt.

Besten Dank für die Suche des kleinen Dörfleins in Frankreich.

Uebrigens: Bill war in Deutschland im Militär und scheint Deutsch zu sprechen.

Viele Grüsse

Alois Grolimund

Hello Stephan

The long search has now come to fruition.       

Owing to you, your father, Carlos+Claudia and Bill, I could find out, 
that Bill from America, [I'm] 99% sure, is related to us.  (I must 
still research the exact baptismal date in the state archives, to be 
completely sure of this.) Carlos' [great-grand]father [Anton 1801] and 
Bill`s great-grandfather (John 1816) were brothers.  The connections 
with us are known to me.  Can you inform that to your father on occasion? 
Willy and Carlos (Jr.) have gotten to know each other at the party in 
Beinwil. John`s death is briefly mentioned in the [Hengy] book, "The 
Family of the Jura," which Willy has also read.     

Thank you very much for the search in the small villages in France.   

By the way: Bill was in Germany in the military and appears to speak German.  

Many greetings      

Alois Grolimund 

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On June 1, 1999 Alois copied me on another American contact from 
the same family branch.  Aileen is a Chicago connection.  I will 
send her a URL to this page and the tree lists.

Index  HERE  to Aileen  




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 Subject:    Grolimund von Grindel, Schwarzbubenland
    Date:    Tue, 01 Jun 1999 07:39:59 +0200
    From:    "Alois Grolimund" ech-grolimund.a@eao.com
      To:    "Bill" Billgrolemund@usa.net
      CC:    "Carlos" Grolimund.londono@mad.servicom.es


Hi Bill,

I have found what I was looking for yesterday:

The notice is:

Re: (Switzerland-L) Grindel, Solothurn, Schweiz
Internet: http://www.rootsweb.com 
mail Aileen: zsenyukw@email.msn.com 

Aileen is the first, Claudia and Carlos are the second tourists in Grindel.

Aileens great-grandmother Caroline Grolimund is the oldest daughter from 
Simon 1838. She was married whit Lauwrence Hengy, Detroit.

Grandmont = Grolimund = Great mountain according to the book.

Please let me know if you find new information

Bye

Alois

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 Subject:    Grolimund von Grindel, Schwarzbubenland
    Date:    Tue, 01 Jun 1999 07:50:21 +0200
    From:    "Alois Grolimund" <ech-grolimund.a@eao.com>  
      To:    "Aileen" <Zsenyukw@email.msn.com> 
      CC:    Bill <Billgrolemund@usa.net>  


Hallo Aileen,

I am a Grolimund from Beinwil.

From a friend from Grindel, i habe received your Adress.

A few years ago, Fritz Grolimund from Laufen gave me the book 
"Family of the Jura" to read.

I gave your adress to Bill Grolemund, a successor of John Grolimund 
from Grindel who died in Lucinda/Clareon accordung to the book.

Do you have further information on Grolimund in America;

Thank you for your promt replay

Best regards

Alois Grolimund

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Hindsight memo after my vacation in Pennsylvania.

I believe Aileen is the author of the "Family of the Jura" which 
is referenced by Alois.  During my July 4 vacation to Pennsylvania, I 
read from a source in California that Aileen Murphy Zsenyuk was a 
great grand daughter of Caroline Hengy (Grolemund), the daughter of 
Simon Grolimund (2/15/1838 -1924) and Josephine Brossi (1840-1910), 
who was the daughter of Urs Brossi, Jr (1803-1877) and Eliz. Crevoiserat 
(1804-1886).  Simon was the son of Josef Grolimund / Grandmont (1808) 
and Anna Maria Lutz. This Joseph (1808) was the younger brother of 
Anton (1801) and the older brother of Katharina (1812) and Johann (1816) 
(John - my great grand father).  See chart of Grolimund tree 
from Georgius (1590-1676).

The source from California suggested that the emphasis of Aileen's 
book, The Family of the Jura was on the history of the Hengy 
family. It appears that the data on Joseph and earlier was a bit 
sketchy and a lot of guesswork.  The use of the Grandmont name 
seems to start with Joseph, son of Simon.  I venture a guess 
that the intent was to become a complete Frenchman with a change 
of name.  Or maybe he knew something more about the origins than 
we are able to now discover, and he was just returning to the 
"original" name.  (That is doubtful to me.) I would welcome any 
speculation from the French, Detroit, California (Fred  1881-1975), or 
any other cousins. 

I will continue this thought later (and maybe move it to a new thread.)

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 Subject:        Grolimund von Beinwil
    Date:        Mon, 07 Jun 1999 09:42:07 +0200
    From:        "Alois Grolimund" <ech-grolimund.a@eao.com>  
      To:        "Bill" <Billgrolemund@usa.net>  
      CC:        "Carlos" <mailto:Grolimund.londono@mad.servicom.es>  

Hi Bill and cousins in spain,

I've passed again a free day in the Staatsarchiv Solothurn and 
proofed the family of Caroli and A.M.Karrer. The script of the 
book of the baptisted is hardly readabel. A friend has helped 
me. The dates of birth are not written in numbers, but in 
language latino with the old expressions.

The children were born and baptised:

Antonius 9.3.1801  Patrinis:Ant.Heggend.+A.M.Halbeisen

Josephus 13.6.1808   Patrinis: Josef Lutz+A.M.Halbeisen

Catharina 13.7.1812   Patrinis: Joanes Borer + A.M.Werli   On The 
22.1.1836 she beared a daughter illegitim named Florentina. On the 
20.1.1836 she reported something to the judge, but it would furned 
away.  The comun of citizen have had a savings account from the 
Katharina.  For this raison she was presumed dead in 1932.

After the marriage whit Franz Josef Holzher(r) on the 5.4.1839, I found 
4 Children: Casimir 1842, Adolph 1845, Franz Xaver 1850, Josepha 1852.

In the list of emmigration 1854 from Bärschwil, I found:
Holzher Franz Josef, his wife, Casimir and Xaver.
This of the reason you will meet a Holzherr.

Joanes 25.11.1816       Patrinis: Josef Borer + Kath. Spaar
This is the reason why we are sure, that is your great-grandfather.

For the case we don't hear something from each other I wish you nice 
holidays by your brother Andy and a lot of success by your enquiries. 

Alois Grolimund, Switzerland

More to follow.  I just need more time to
catch up on being back from vacation, and
being behind at work.  My e-mail also got
behind while I was up in Pennsylvania. Andy's 
daughter has a computer, but I didn't get to
visit with her.  I saw her a few times when
she brought Logan (18 month tiger) over to
Grandma and Grandpa to baby sit while she 
and her husband went to their jobs.

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Meanwhile, on July 5, we had our own 
GROLEMUND FEST in the town of Fryburg
in Pennsylvania, where Andy lives now. 
All five (5) of us were able to attend
and a great time was had by all.  Andy's
two boys came, and also Rosie's daughter.
Bernie's boy stopped by on his way to work.
A few of their grandchildren were there
(my grand nephews and nieces).  Everyone
seemed to be in pretty good health, no 
major problems.  Someone remarked that
the polaroid picture made us look younger
than we did in 1985 (?) when we had a 
previous group picture.  Well, maybe we
finally found that elixir of youth???
Don't tell anyone.

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Main Swiss chart at   grolimund.html
Pennsylvania chart at   pedigre1.html