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updated as of Jan '24th '06 *

The truth about what happened to the indians on Thanksgiving.

the latest entries are added to the bottom.....recent report on MSG, it is EVERYWHERE, even some VEGETARIAN food companies place it in their food ,

also a new futuristic story we wrote in march of '05 all about the ANIMAL HOLOCAUST, THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY, and the FDA....

we have added some political, and spiritual articles and some thoughts of our own to this page, also BELOW ARE SOME GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT CHRISTIANITY AND HARE KRSNA.......

to begin with here is an excert from 'the root of righteousness' by A.W. TOZER

'Modern christians lack symmetry. Many know almost nothing about inner life. They are like a temple that is all exterior without any interior. color , light, sound, appearance, motion, these are thy gods o israel........'

'the accent on the church today', says leonard ravenhill, the english evangelist is not on devotion , but on commotion'. religious extroversion has been carried to such an extreme in evangelical circles that hardly anyone has the desire, to say nothing of the courage, to question the soundness of it. externalism has taken over. God now speaks by the wind and the earthquake only; the still small vioce can be heard no more.

the whole religious machine has become a niosemaker. the adolescent taste which loves the loud horn and the thundering exhaust has gotten into the activities of modern christians.


Question about participating in Christian service and Vaisnava temple worship

Q: I have been attending the Krishna temple in my area for about a year now. And whenever I attend, I totally feel the love, and basic goodness that radiates from the temple, but I have to admit I feel guilty when I get home, cause I was baptized Catholic and I have been told that going to "the temple" is like turning my back on "my" religion. But to be truthful I feel more love at the temple then at Sunday mass (which I rarely attend).

I think I chant more now, then pray, is this right? Does Krishna Consciousness allow me to chant and go to the temple, but still be the Catholic? I dunno... I'm just confused. Thanks for your time.

A: My [Urmila Devi Dasi's] father asked our founder, Srila Prabhupada, a similar question. So, I will answer in the same way.

There is nothing wrong with attending the temple if you have been baptized Catholic. There is no contradiction. The purpose of religion is to know and love God. If you know the purpose and are achieving it, then that religion is fine. We do not ever ask that someone convert or change religion, because true religion - that of knowing and loving God - is the eternal nature of the soul and cannot be changed. Krishna consciousness is a process whereby one can realize the deep truths present in every bona fide religion.



Satan does not exist, it was a fabricated myth.

God, the Supreme Person, has no equal. Although there are powerful beings in the cosmic divine and demoniac hierarchies none of them can be an equal opponent to God. Personalities in the Vedic thearchy sometimes thought to be an analogy to Satan (Siva, Durga, Yamaraja) are Lord's servants, not enemies. Personality of Kali, ruler of this age (yuga-purusa), is a sin personified but even he is a part of God's plan. All of them are allowed to punish those who break the cosmic order (dharma).

The Judeo-Christian concept of Satan is based on two sources - one coming from Persia and another from Egypt.

Jewish religion is thought to have been widely influenced by Zoroastrianism during the exile of the Jewish tribes after the destruction of the First Temple (586 BC) and the consequent Babylonian captivity. In Babylonia the Israelites were exposed to, and adopted, new ideas, e.g., the personification of evil (Satan) and the resurrection of the dead.

"The original Priesthood of Set in ancient Egypt survived for twenty-five recorded dynasties (ca. 3200-700 BC). It was one of the two central priesthoods in predynastic times, the other being that of HarWer ('Horus the Elder'). Unification of Egypt under both philosophical systems resulted in the nation's being known as the 'Two Kingdoms' and in its Pharaohs wearing the famous 'Double Crown' of Horus and Set.

"Originally a circumpolar/stellar deity portrayed as a cyclical counterpart to the Solar Horus, Set was later recast as an evil principle by the cults of Osiris and Isis. During the XIX and XX Dynasties Set returned as the Pharaonic patron, but by the XXV Dynasty (ca. 700 BC) a new wave of Osirian persecution led to the final destruction of the original Priesthood of Set.

When the Hebrews emigrated from Egypt during the XIX Dynasty, however, they took with them a caricature of Set: 'Satan' (from the hieroglyphic Set-hen, one of the god's formal titles)." [Murray Hope, "The Temple of Set FAQ"]

Horus's principal enemy - originally Horus's other face or "dark" aspect - was this "Set" or "Sata", from which comes "Satan". Horus struggles with Set in the exact manner that Jesus battles with Satan, with 40 days in the wilderness, among other similarities.


there now wasn't that special ? .......we are still afraid of wynonna judd, ? :)


some of our own thoughts -

isn't it hard to believe that in this day and age, many gullible americans still believe that that our government is the solution, rather than a problem ?

for years we have been lied to by the media: tv, newspapers, radio, etc. programmed how to think, act, speak, dress, and presented with tons of useless information, aimed at decieving us and made to waste our time................did u know a lot of people believe that the whole moon mission was a fake ?

every year millions of people from all walks of life ban together to serve god and protest our government in the streets, and the movement grows every day, as long as u can make a difference in at least one person's life by enlightening them to all he hypocrisies committed by our government, then u are doing God's work............:)

we like to think our site in parts has been done for God, by creating such a site we are doing God's work....

the following paragraphs were taken from a site called


Animal Rights in Practice: Where Have We Gone Wrong? Miyun Park and Paul Shapiro - Despite tireless efforts for more than two decades by American animal rights activists, more animals are exploited and killed in our country than ever before. Even worse, the methods used to exploit these animals have become increasingly more torturous. In this workshop, a discussion will be held regarding possible reasons the movement has yet to achieve success, and what we can do about it. Miyun Park and Paul Shapiro are co-directors of Compassion Over Killing, Washington, D.C.'s only grassroots animal rights organization.

The Struggle for Democracy in DC Martin Thomas

-Residents of Washington, D.C. have no voting Representatives or Senators in Congress and lack control over our local budget and laws; thus making DC a colony right in the heart of what claims to be the capital of the free world. Many call the struggle for democracy in DC to be the unfinished business of the civil rights movement to bring rights to the over 500,000 majority African-American citizens of D.C. This workshop will be a case study on how direct challenge of unjust laws has furthered the DC democracy movement. The workshop will focus on converting popular support into direct action, building and maintaining diverse coalitions in a city with much racial tension and where race underlies many political issues, direct action at the U.S. Capitol and the art of the political trial.

The Criminal Injustice System and the Growing Prison Industrial Complex Project South

- This interactive workshop uses a historical timeline from the 1900 to the present and people experiences in the criminal injustice system to locate the growing prison industrial complex in US social history (economic history, government policy history, and popular movement history). The interactive timeline and quiz examines the history of repressive policies aimed at poor and working-class communities of color - with regard to genocide, slaver and social control. It covers attacks on activists and the many prisoners jailed for protesting or resistance to oppression. The growth of the prison industry is also covered, from prison construction to privatization to prison labor.

Critical Resistance Building the Movement against the Prison Industrial Complex Kai Lumumba Barrow & Shana Agid-

The United States now has more people in prison and a higher percentage of its population in prison than any other nation in the world. Organizers of Critical Resistance Northeast, March 9-11 in NYC, will facilitate a discussion of regional issues around the Prison Industrial Complex to build momentum for the conference and work towards creating regional strategies of resistance.

help info taken from an anarchist site -

IF you are an anarchist, or an unafiliated anti-authoritarian, and you get arrested, or IF your anarchist comrade has been arrested You can call the legal hotline 24/7. 215-925-6791

Remember this number, you will need it if you get arrested.

We provide free support for anarchists: - help in finding a lawyer, including contacting a lawyer from jail; - a message service for those in jail to contact comrades on the streets, and vice versa;

- calling card numbers for calls from inside jail; - errands for jailed comrades and their friends; - prison support including phone trees, following processing, court observation during arraignment; - contacting bail-bondsmen for those who need it, and help raise bail;

- documenting police brutality and abuses; - emergency housing and travel for those whose comrades are in jail; - providing vegetarian food, drinks and cigs to released comrades; - moral support and much, much more.

We strongly suggest that you and everyone in your affinity group use a nickname for security reasons. You can still receive legal support with a nickname. It is crucial that everyone in your affinity group, and your support group know your nickname and use it for messages, phone trees, etc.

IF you're an anarchist - we've got you covered.

the following excert was taken from an article called ' LORD JESUS CHRIST KATHA'.......:)


Haribol, all glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to Lord Jesus Christ, Sri Krsna's most confidential servant. This is His season, so I humbly pay tribute to his mission.

Lord Jesus Christ did not advertize himself, he did not even care to hear his disciples describe him as "my good rabbi", deferring the title "good" to be applied only to the One Who sent Him. The perfection of relationship between God and man was, thus, nicely displayed for those who have ears. Jesus wants ABBA, ELOI, JAHOVIA, His dearmost Father, advertized as the primary receptacle of our LOVE,

to all segments of society, no matter whether one is of David and Solomon, or outside as Gentile, without desiring to become famous in His own right. Sri Krsna is so pleased with the work of His only begotten Son (see the creator, Lord Brahma, begotten from the lotus) that this Son has become the most famous human being throughout history, so much so that even the Buddhist atheist must acknowledge, the whole world is talking millenium madness, year 2000, all based on the appearance of this simple carpenter's son who befriended the fishers of men. If this is not yoga, rasa, yoking, then yoga has no meaning.

An important fact of Lord Jesus Christ's teachings can be applied to concern about potential Vaikuntha falldown, as follows. His disciples, who were, by the way, fully aware of transmigration of the soul, (another story, perhaps another day), asked Him if it was better to be at home with the Lord and away from the body or at home with the body and away from the Lord. Lord Jesus Christ answered by not choosing between the two, rather giving absolute Vaisnava instruction, "Whether at home with the Lord and away from the body or at home with the body and away from the Lord, our business is to SERVE THE LORD."

Perfect and complete instructions, and, as such, these instructions are completely perfect. Bhakti-yoga is non-dependent of personal salvation, thus, even salvation and the liberation of becoming one with the Lord is rejected by the Vaisnava. So many (so-called) Christians, salvationists, do not have ears to hear from Him, all they want is a heaven lined with gold, not even necessarily wanting to be with Him, just unlimited and eternal enjoyment of their own selfish interest, me-me-me, yet at the time of His samadhi, Lord Jesus Christ went to hell to serve His Father's desires.

This is all contained in the very-tampered-with biblical scripture, yet there is enough true NECTAR left from Lord Jesus Christ's teachings that one is only foolish to reject Him. In tribute to Lord Jesus Christ, I shall publish here a story of His mission, with my head on the ground in obiesance to Srila Prabhupada, who gives us all access to His teachings.


Never is there harm in speaking about the Vaisnava, however, we must hear properly first before recitation, otherwise we mislead others with relative truth. The validity of scriptual evidence about Lord Jesus Christ's pastimes is always in question, because those entrusted with caretaking His message have allowed interpretation, editing, omission, and other dealings for two millenia. This is a hidden lesson all devotees should be in tune with, as this tendency continues within our own parampara.

Many devotees do not care to hear about Lord Jesus Christ, and their reasons are not altogether unfounded nor ill-advised, for the common beliefs about this important Acarya are mired in speculations of the mukti-bhukti habits common to man-made-religionists.

Yet, even with this disclaimer of no pure sampradaya, Srila Prabhupada made clear points about Lord Jesus Christ that no one can deny. Had rejection of this devotee been the teachings of Srila Prabhupada, there would be no mention of His validity in his books. But this is not the case, and, as I do not provide citations to verify, I encourage all his followers to research his books to find out what he actually says about Him.

Two important prayers that have been relegated to children songs in this dark age of atheism describe the Mission of Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord's Prayer and the Hail Mary. The article below indicates the bhakti that can be realized from mere recitation of these prayers. Just as no one should speak on behalf of Srila Prabhupada if they cannot utter the Mahamantra, similarly, one should never comment on Lord Jesus Christ unless they FOLLOW His order and "Pray like Me, Our Father...". I will not write this prayer as we should all be familiar with the words.

Subserviant to the purport of Sri Siksastakam, the Divine Author, Sri Gauranga, and His representative, Sri Gurudeva, and bowing in obiesance with head on the ground, reciting the Lord's Prayer, all confusion ceases and one becomes dhira (unconfused).

Lord Jesus Christ gives mantra to all who will take, hallowed be the Names of Our Father. His mother, Mary, demonstrates intercession, rasa, and pure bhakti, and also gives us mantra, the Lord is with Her, She is full of Grace. This is proven by the guru-shastra-sadhu criteria, and their lives are present in Sound. The memory of the Nectar of Instruction, that which is carefully salvaged from the rubble of the schisms and interpretations of the pretender, is sufficient to deliver the swan-like devotees to him.

Lord Jesus Christ teaches Love of God without fear, without limitation, free from selfish interest. Bhukti (selfish world contentment) and mukti (desires to be free from misery) are not part of His teachings and are not the goals he tries to humbly show us for ultimate happiness, the only requirement is sincere surrender to the will of the Lord and reciprocation with His unconditional love.

Please hear. I cannot write this for the so-called christian, for they have no idea of rasa. They care not for the pleasure of Joseph looking down at the smiling Christ-child in his arms. All they can do is take some of His words to conquer the "heathens" and teach them to serve His shadow.

I beg forgiveness for offending some by singing His glories occasionally, but I cannot refrain from doing so. Suffice it to say, a Christian is as rare as a Vaisnava, and we all have had the great fortune of knowing both in one person, His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.

LORD JESUS CHRIST KATHA (part 3) I do no such artificial deification of Lord Jesus Christ, yet try to hear from Him in light of acintya-bheda-bheda-tattva, that is, his purpose is non-different from whom he calls Abbah, Eloy, Jahovia, etc. Lord Jesus Christ's mission is consistant with his being sent by the Supreme Lord. Read on for clarifications.


taken from the VULTURE KING website -

Because of darkness which covers the soul, the living being acts in various ways which allow him to search for complete fulfillment in reference to his body and mind which he mistakes for his real identity. Under varying degrees of darkness, the living being experiences both pleasures and pains resulting from the consequenses of his actions. In this way, the living entity, although by nature transcendental to matter, takes birth after birth in the material world pursuing a phantasmagoria of desires until he comes to the point of self-realization, or coming to the point that he is actually an eternal servant of the Lord.

While under the influence of the darkness of the soul described herein, one can experience undescribable sufferings or temporary happiness as afforded by association with matter. The darkness of the soul however is never removed until the living being finally becomes convinced of his precarious and dangerous position. While in this dark position, the soul can neither find lasting relief, even though he may obtain all the material facilities that the world can offer such as wife, children, money, home and powerful status and education, nor will he be happy. This is the position which has all the living beings in the world in its grip, and so Yudhisthira states that this dark condition is actually the position of all the living beings in the world.

One doesn't see darkness with the eyes, but sees darkness in the hearts of the bewildered living beings. The living being by nature is pure consciousness, yet because of various misconceptions about his real identity, he cannot yet understand his real position. This is described in the Bhagavad-gita: the living being tries to understand his real transcendental position by looking into the mirror of the mind, but in the material condition, the mirror of the mind is like a mirror which is dirty. When a mirror is covered with varying degrees of dust, one can barely see himself. Similarly, when one tries to comprehend his real position, he actually cannot do so unless his mind becomes enlightened by again accepting the devotional service of the Lord in his own constitutional position.

By this cultivation of spiritual work, gradually the living being comes to realize the nature of spirit and the inferior and unsatisfying nature of one's so-called independence. Giving up such identification with the phantasmagoria of endless material desire, the living being gradually comes to his real connection to the Lord and returns back home, back to Godhead beyond the darkness of this material world.

the following article of karma was taken from a GREAT site called CHRISTIAN RESOURCES

Karma The Sanskrit word karma means "action", or more specifically, any material action that brings a reaction that binds us to the material world. Although the idea of karma is generally associated with Eastern philosophy, many people in the West are also coming to understand that karma is a natural principle, like time or gravity, and no less inescapable.

For every action there is a reaction. According to the law of karma, if we cause pain and suffering to other living beings, we must endure pain and suffering in return, both individually and collectively. We reap what we sow, in this life and the next, for nature has her own justice. No one can escape the law of karma, except those who understand how it works.

To understand how karma can cause war, for example, let's take an illustration from the Vedas. Sometimes a fire starts in a bamboo forest when the trees rub together. The real cause of the fire however, is not the trees but the wind that moves them. The trees are only the instruments. In the same way, the principle of karma tell us that the United States and the Soviet Union are not the real causes of the friction that exists between them, the friction that may well set off the forest fire of nuclear war. The real cause is the imperceptible wind of karma generated by the world's supposedly innocent citizens.

According to the law of karma, the neighborhood supermarket or hamburger stand (the local abortion clinic too, but that could be the subject for another book) has more to do with the threat of nuclear war than the White House or the Kremlin. We recoil with horror at the prospects of nuclear war while we permit equally horrifying massacres every day of the world's automated slaughterhouses.

The person who eats an animal may say that he hasn't killed anything, but when he buys his neatly packaged meat at the supermarket he is paying someone else to kill for him, and both of them bring upon themselves the reactions of karma. Can it be anything but hypocritical to march for peace and then go to McDonald's for a hamburger or go home to grill a steak?

This is the very duplicity that George Bernard Shaw condemned:

We pray on Sundays that we may have light to guide our footsteps on the path we tread; We are sick of war, we don't want to fight, and yet we gorge ourselves upon the dead.

As Srila Prabhupada says in his explanations of Bhagavad-gita, "Those who kill animals and give them unnecessary pain-as people do in slaughterhouses-will be killed in a similar way in the next life and in many lives to come...In the Judeo-Christian scriptures, it is stated clearly 'Thou shalt not kill.' Nonetheless, giving all kinds of excuses, even the heads of religion indulge in killing animals and, at the same time, try to pass as saintly persons.

This mockery and hypocrisy in human society brings about unlimited calamities such as great war, where masses of people go out onto the battlefields and kill each other. Presently they have discovered the nuclear bomb, which is simply waiting to be used for wholesale destruction." Such are the effects of karma.


here is an excert from Prabhupada's famous frog story, basically it's about people who can only relate to viewpoints similiar to their own, and cannot see the forest because the trees are in the way

The analogy has been given of Dr. Frog. A frog often lives in a well. The well is one meter wide, it's in the middle of a field and above the well is a tree. Our Dr. Frog has spent his whole life in that well. He has no experience beyond that one meter diameter well. But he has seen so much through the hole in the top of his well! Sometimes he sees nice blue sky and trees with green leaves, sometimes he sees clouds in the sky, sometimes rain comes through the top of his well, sometimes the leaves from the tree fall into his well. So Dr. Frog has experienced many things, he's seen so much.

As a result of all of his observation he has been able to come up with his own particular universal view, "The universe according to Dr. Frog." He doesn't know there is any more than he has seen. He has only seen what is visible through the hole in the top of his well, so he thinks that's all there is, he thinks that's the universe. He has developed so much philosophy, so many theories to describe what is happening in his universe. But what can he see? So what is the value of his conclusions? His conclusions are useless. The difficulty is if somebody comes from outside to tell him about the actual universe he won't be able to understand it because it's outside the scope of his world.

One day another frog hopped into Dr. Frog's well. This frog had not been confined to a one metre wide well for his whole life, he had travelled quite a bit, he'd even seen the Pacific Ocean. So he tried to explain to Dr. Frog, "My dear friend, I have seen such a vast mass of water, it is called the Pacific Ocean." So Dr. Frog said, "Yes. Please explain it to me." But he was thinking in terms of the water in his well, so he thought, "Perhaps it's twice as big as my well, perhaps three times as big as my well, maybe it is even five times bigger." In this way he tried to understand the Pacific Ocean but it was impossible because he can't even conceive of the greatness of the Pacific Ocean.

___________________________________________ MARIJUANA is the most diversified crop in the world, back in the 30's large usa corporatations hoodwinked congress to declare it illegal, now read this article -

INDUSTRIAL HEMP BILL PLOWED UNDER Strom-Martin Pledges to Carry on the Cause

SACRAMENTO -- Assembly member Virginia Strom-Martin's (D-Duncans Mills) bill to legalize the cultivation of industrial hemp failed yesterday to garner enough support to pass out of the Assembly Committee on Agriculture. AB 448 died in committee after a vote of 6 ayes to 4 noes with 4 members not voting; the bill was two votes shy of passage. None of the members opposing the bill gave a reason for voting the bill down.

"I'm very disappointed that some members of the Agriculture Committee failed to educate themselves about a plant that has so many uses and offers such a variety of benefits," Strom-Martin said. "They fell prey to the paranoia that prevents the legalization of industrial hemp, thereby perpetuating myths and misinformation. It is my hope that California, as a leader in agricultural innovation and food production, will also one day become a leader in the fight to legalize industrial hemp."

California's agriculture industry is considered the most diversified in the world, producing over 350 crops and commodities. California is also a major contributor to the United States' balance of trade. Approximately 20% of all the state's agricultural products are shipped overseas. Given those facts, California is in a prime position to capitalize on the exploding international hemp market. In 1999, worldwide sales of hemp and hemp-based products totaled $250 million and since then, the market has grown substantially with corporate entities entering the market.

Additionally, industrial hemp is a source of ethanol, an oxygenate that produces clean burning gasoline and is an alternative to MTBE, which will be phased out in 2002. California currently produces 9 million gallons of ethanol a year, a number that is far too low to support the state's annual consumption of 800 million gallons of gas. To compensate for the shortfall, the state would have to import more ethanol, which is produced primarily in the mid-west. After the MTBE phase-out, the state will be facing an ethanol shortage that will exacerbate an already tense natural gas market. The cultivation of hemp and the production of ethanol from hemp could prevent another energy crisis.

"As an elected official of the State, I regret seeing the unwillingness on the part of some members to take a stand on the issue, " Strom-Martin said. "While we have a responsibility to listen to the concerns of our constituents, we also have an obligation to keep open minds and pay attention to facts, not hysteria. If the members of the committee would have read all the information provided to them, they would clearly recognize that industrial hemp is not a drug issue, but rather an economic development issue. For that reason, I am committed to this effort and promise to bring it before the Legislature again before the end of my term."

Assembly Bill 448 died in committee. In order to further the cause of legalizing industrial hemp, another bill will have to be introduced next year.


added nov 18th '02

Essene Psychology

by the late Edmond Bordeaux Szekely

The Essenes expressed an exceptional knowledge of psychology in their practice of the Communions with the natural and cosmic forces. They knew that man has both a conscious and subconscious mind and were well aware of the powers of each.

In making one group of their Communions the first activity of the morning, they consciously set in motion forces that became the keynote of their whole day. They knew that a thought held strongly enough in the consciousness at the beginning of the day influences the individual throughout his waking hours. The morning Communions consequently opened the mind to harmonious currents which enabled them to absorb specific forms of energy into the physical body.

The evening Communions, performed as the last act in the evening before sleep, applied the same principle. The Essenes knew that these last thoughts influenced the subconscious mind throughout out the night, and that the evening Communions therefore put the subconscious into contact with the storehouse of superior cosmic forces. They knew that sleep can thus become a source of deepest knowledge.

The average man experiences this at times, finding a problem solved during sleep and quite often in a way apart from his ordinary trend of thinking. Many scientists, writers and other creative workers have also found that their inventions and ideas have come to them during the night or in the early morning hours.

The knowledge received during sleep is a working of natural law. Although for the majority sleep is little more than a period of detoxification, a means of physiological reparation, for the small minority it represents the psychological perfecting of the individual. The Essenes knew that the higher forces set into action before going to sleep, when the earthly forces of the myriad activities of the dark are stilled, would result in the progressive attainment of the lofty objectives of their evening Communions.

They also knew that any negative or inharmonious thought held in their consciousness when they retired would lower their resistance to the negative forces in the outside world.

The had a profound knowledge of the body as well as of the mind. They knew the two could not be separated as they form a dynamic organic unit, and what affects one affects the other. The Essenes antedated psychosomatic medicine by several thousand years. They knew bodily health had a great deal to do with the receiving of the higher forces, and that a detoxicated organism is more capable of establishing contact with them than is one in which the forces are partially paralyzed by the burden of eliminating bodily poisons during the hours of sleep.

The superior revelations which have been brought down to us by antiquity by the great thinkers and teachers were given by those who invariably led very simple and harmonious lives. Their bodies consequently were extremely healthy. It was not by merely chance that great revelations of truth were received by the great masters; their organisms had developed capacities lacked by individuals whose lives have been devoted to more worldly pursuits. The Essene teachings and way of life brought about the development of these capacities.

They paid great attention to the food they ate, that it might harmonize with natural law, but they were equally careful of their diet in thought and emotions. There were fully cognizant that man's subconscious mind is like a sensitized plate registering everything the individual see or hears, and that it is therefore necessary to prevent all inferior thoughts, such as fear, anxiety, insecurity, hatred, ignorance egotism and intolerance from entering the gate of the subconscious mind.

The natural law that two things cannot occupy the same space at the same time was clear to them and they knew a person cannot think of two things simultaneously. Therefore if the mind is filled with positive, harmonious thoughts those that are negative and inharmonious cannot lodge in it. Positive, harmonious thoughts must be introduced into the subconscious to replace all inferior ones, just as the cells of the body must constantly be replaced with food, air and water as the old cells are broken down. This was a part of the task accomplished by the Essene Communions, introducing morning, noon and night superior currents of thought and feeling into the thinking and feeling bodies.

The subconscious can be regenerated by a diet of good and harmonious thoughts and feelings administered all during the day, but especially at those moments of borderland consciousness when its receptivity is at its best. When it is thus regenerated it will become a source of energy and harmony to mind and body. It will be a friend sending constructive harmonious messages to every part of the body, causing them to function efficiently.

Certain facts known to the Essenes about introducing a thought or thoughts into the subconscious have been rediscovered by modern psychologists. It is known that when a person is fully conscious, his subconscious mind does not easily accept a purposeful suggestion. And when he is in a subconscious state he cannot of course influence his subconscious consciously. But there are moments when the consciousness is only half submerged in the subconscious, moments such as occur just before going to sleep, just after awaking from sleep, and sometimes when in a state of reverie such as is occasioned by beautiful music or poetry. At such moments the subconscious mind is most receptive to what is given to it.

Many teachings of great religions and practices of ancient and modern philosophical systems, both those of the East and of the West, as well as those of the Essenes, utilize this all-important psychological fact.

The subconscious is dynamic, every changing, even as are the cells of the body, and it is constantly being fed by the experiences and impressions it receives from the conscious mind. These experiences include all the thoughts and feelings held forcefully enough to create an impression upon it. The traumatic experiences of childhood are those which have been felt with great intensity and fed into the subconscious mind, but never replaced the new and more constructive impressions and experiences.

The subconscious has been defined as the totality of an individual's experiences from birth to the current moment. Every dynamic new experience changes it; and it can be consciously changed according to the degree of the intensity of the impression put into it. The more intense the impression, the more lasting will it be in the subconscious.

Certain other factors were known by the Essenes to govern the acceptance by the subconscious mind of a thought or a feeling. One was that if the conscious mind does not accept the thought as a reality and a possibility, the subconscious will also reject it.

Another was the necessity of projecting the thought to the subconscious without effort, spontaneously. If an effort is made, the fully conscious state is evoked and the subconscious cannot be reached. To act spontaneously and without effort requires complete relaxation of mind and body. This was part of Essene practice.

They accomplished the first step in relaxation by releasing the tensions or contractions of one group of muscles after another over various parts of the body. The second step was shallow breathing. This lessens the oxygen transport in the lungs and thus decreases the activities of the nerves and other parts of the organism since activity and relaxation cannot occur at the same time. The third step was to avoid thought. For man today this is generally not easy. One way of accomplishing it is by imagining, in total darkness and silence, the darkness of black velvet, and thinking of nothing else. Through these three steps the Essenes brought a kind of semi-consciousness into which a new thought or feeling could be readily introduced into the subconscious.

The thought introduced in this way, should be rhythmic enough to maintain the state of relaxation and semi-consciousness. And it should have sufficient power to penetrate into the subconscious and be completely accepted as reality. These preconditions of consciously placing thoughts and feelings in the subconscious mind were perfectly met in the practice of the Essene Communions.

It was shown to be entirely up to each individual what is added to the content of his subconscious mind, what kind of new cells he will build upon it. He can deviate from the law and be a slave to his subconscious, or he can take an active part in its regeneration.

The Essene's knowledge of the conscious mind was as profound as their understanding of the subconscious. Their concept of psychology was so all-sided they knew the objectives of their Communions could not be attained through intellectual processes alone, but that the forces of feelings is also necessary. Knowledge must arouse an emotion before action is produced.

( WE HERE AT THIS SITE THINK there are some good ideas written here about the ESSENES APPROACH to basic health for mind and body, try listening to very soft music and praying and slow chanting to our Lord in the 30 minutes before u go to sleep, keeping your mind fixed on God's wisdom and on your goals the next day will result in pleasant dreams and a well rested body and mind ready to accomplish goals set before u the next day)

added feb 1st, '03


back in the 70s things were not as good as they are now for children who grew up with devotees as parents, back then because the movement was relatively new to the western world, ( the roots were planted in public in '65) there appeared to be some evil people who came into ISCKON and somehow worked themselves into postions of control, and abuse children in many ways, we are putting the following on this page to show both sides of the coin, also NORI from wrote us a few times, her site deals with really bad conditions that was used on children; beatings, emotional abuse, etc. the following is taken from some site.......thank KRSNA it's not like this today, allthough one could imagine some chidlren may even get abused today, on...

This form of child abuse and neglect includes acts or omissions by the parents or other person responsible for the child's care that have caused, or could cause, serious behavioral, cognitive, emotional, or mental disorders. In some cases of emotional/psychological abuse the acts of parents or other caretakers alone, without any harm evident in the child's behavior or condition, are sufficient to warrant Child Protective Services (CPS) intervention. For example, the parents/caretakers use extreme or bizarre forms of punishment, such as torture or confinement of a child in a dark closet. For less severe acts, such as habitual scapegoating, belittling, or rejecting treatment, demonstrable harm to the child is often required for CPS to intervene. (The National Clearinghouse on Child Abuse and Neglect Information)

He would beat kids with a ferocity as yet unseen in any teacher. We all feared him. He threw a kid to the floor face-first one time knocking his two front teeth out.

We all saw two teachers sitting on this little old Indian guy pummeling him. One of them took his head and started banging it against one of those square pillars in the building. When they were done they dragged his senseless body down the stairs feet first so that his head bounced on every step. I thought he was dead for sure. He lived though. This event scared the shit out of me. It showed me what could happen to me if I wasn't careful.

A female teacher taught an ashrama for young girls. One day she got mad and hit a girl with a tennis racket, breaking the racket over her back. A teacher smacked the girl with a flywopper across the face. He punched her twice in the stomach with a stone in his fist, and he did some more really perverted stuff. And she was just a small girl. Max. 8 yrs old. I was slapped and punched with brushes and hands. My friend was hit so hard she had fingerprints on her eyeball. I was a witness to and recipient of nosebleeds, ear-pulls and yanks, hair pulling and punches in the gut and sternum, whacks until our heads reeled and ears rang. I had my mouth scrubbed with a metal brush and dish soap.

The monitor suddenly attacked him with a knife. He went completely nuts! He relentlessly pounded [the boy] for over an hour with encouragement from the teacher. After it was over his eyes were so swollen that he could barely see out of them. I was 3 and a half little girl, mother away in India, he (a teacher) took me into the boys shower room, stripped off my clothes and beat me until I was unconscious.

One very vivid memory was that we were punished in a 'executionary style'. When I did something (or didn't), I was told by the person I had 'annoyed' that I would be punished, then sometime later in the day, an adult led me down the long hall of the wing to a door and I was pushed inside. The room was dimly lit and there was a person sitting on a chair, my clothing was lifted to expose my bottom and I was spanked with swift and very hard whacks. Then I was let off the lap of the 'punisher' and asked if I had learned my lesson. With tears in my eyes, my gaze fixed on the floor infront of me, shifting my weight between my feet, humiliated and ashamed, I would nod affirmative, though I had a very hard time remembering what I had done and to whom I had offended. I remember "smaranam" sticks and getting daily beatings (5 whacks minimum) for the bad stuff we did that no one saw.

I remember [] hair brush that he used to beat us with. I remember his wife [] locking me in a dark closet standing on a milk-crate with the warning that if I got off the crate the giant rats would eat my feet. I was three years old and terrified for my life. This was a punishment that was repeated over and over again. I remember being tied into two milk-crates and kept there all day. While in there I was repeatedly informed that I was to be sold to a meat eating karmi who would then take me home and eat me alive. As ridiculous as that story sounds I believed it completely. Visions of a house with blood on the floor and a demon-karmi coming after me with a fork with which to eat me, filled my mind and dreams. I remember making me go to the programs and to the park to play while wearing dirty underwear on my head. At the time I didn't know which was worse: being seen by the deities or by all the other name-calling kids at the playground.

Two of my most vivid memories of Dallas involve punishment. I have no idea what the crime involved was so they didn't teach me anything accept pain and suffering. I remember spending a long time (I think it was the whole day) in a trash can. It was one of those plastic barrel size things with plastic lid. I was 3 or 4 years old at the time. I was put in the thing at first with no lid. I remember crying and screaming until I didn't have the energy any more. Then someone showed up. I thought rescue was at hand. I was wrong. That's when the lid went on with a small air gap "so I could breathe". I screamed some more, but no one came. I managed to curl up in the bottom of the thing and sleep for a while. When I woke up I was still in the thing and it wasn't all a bad dream like I'd hoped. That's when I decided that the only way I'd get out was on my own.

I tried climbing the inside by pushing my back against one side and walking up the other side. When I got to the top I pushed the lid aside and started to climb over the edge when the teacher came back. I got a beating for good measure, was put back in the thing and the lid was nearly closed so that it could support some heavy object that would keep me from opening it again. After expending most of my energy climbing the inside again and trying to move the lid I collapsed in the bottom, totally demoralized. After a while, boredom took over and I started trying to get out again. I alternated screaming for help and trying on my own. Somehow I discovered that I could rock the barrel back and forth by throwing my body against the walls. Before I had a chance to get scared about falling over, the thing had tipped and I was free. I knew that there was nowhere that I could go. I was in my underwear, sweating from head to toe, and exhausted. My only hope was to find somewhere to hide. Looking around, the only thing that I saw was the dirty laundry hamper. It was like a giant trough that 50 or 60 kids had thrown their dirty underwear into. I climbed in. I buried myself in urine soaked underwear and waited in abject terror for the teacher to return. As time passed, I fell asleep again from exhaustion. I was awakened by the teacher lifting me bodily from the hamper and throwing me on the floor. I kept wondering how he'd found me.

I thought my hiding place was perfect. Back into the barrel I went. This time, however, I wasn't getting out on my own again. The bottom of the barrel was filled with about 6 inches of water. The lid was put back on all the way with the weight on it and a hole was made in the lid so I could breathe. I have no idea how long I was in there. It seemed like forever. I thought I was living a whole lifetime of hellish existence in that thing. I could no longer curl up and sleep because of the water. I sat there freezing, scared, and exhausted until my body turned white from immersion. When I was let out of the barrel it was dark outside. I think the punishment lasted all day.

The state of the nation, may 11th ' 04, entitled


well the current political climate of our nation is one to be laughed at, again and again the Bush, Powell, Bozo the clown trinity still appears in the public's eye as doing the right thing , but says who ? a bunch of american truck driving son of a gun's ? stupid idots these lost souls,

how many patriotic imbeciles can u shake a stick at today ? too many they are everywhere, and they seem to come in all walks of life, from suburban fascist soccer moms who drive suv's, to the good ol' boys with the budweiser tattoos, pabst blue ribbon belt buckles, and hair growing out of their mouths, to the average stupid idiot on the street who follows the govt. administration like a robot, they are everywhere !

arnold schwarzennegger is a pawn to con the masses, he's gonna do as much good for this country as a loser like wierd al yankovic did with his pointless videos, today's idiot on the street watches tv shows like 'friends' and gives his/her 2 cents on the current state of polictics like a well uninformed robot repeating what he saw on the 6 o'clock news, these people watch tv to give them ideas they can use, simply because they have difficulty in thinking for themselves, we never saw any episode of 'freinds' , nor 99% of the crap on tv today, we stopped watching tv alltogther yrs ago, afterall like a cheap tabliod come to life, tv is about as fulfilling as a pile of mold....

if u are reading this chances are u have morals and a conscience, and are able to differ from what is important in life and what is a waste of time,..........we think of the 70s invasion as a system all unto it's own, it does what it's supposed to - inform, much better to listen to obscure and some mainstream music than turn on a tv anyday, from the letters we get a lot of u have gone out searched and found many of the bands we write about, and we are grateful for your efforts and response, but in the future try and bring some spiritual insight into your day, even if only for a short time....

God will love u all the more for it, and whats more important than your relationship with God ?

the Following article excert on Prabhupada being possibly murdered was added on june 13th '04.........

WAS PRABHUPADA POISONED ? SO IT SEEMS FROM THE FOLLOWING EXCERT HERE, SEEMS ONE TAMAL KRISHNA IS ONE OF THE MAIN SUSPECTS, understand around the time preceeding his death there were some power mad devotees in high places in Isckon, and they wanted to take over leadership position after Prabhupada passed away......after this excert you'll find the link at the bottom to see the full story, and to see a picture of Prabhupada with puffed hands and wearing sunglasses because ARSENIC poisoning makes one's eyes sensitive to light

[2003 Update: Subsequent digital forensic audio analysis of "the poison tapes" shows that there were in fact "friends" (some GBC leaders) speaking "background conversations" (some of the leaders were whispering) at least on some of these tapes. Professional forensic analysis confirms that some of these leaders were in fact discussing how they were poisoning Srila Prabhupada. So the "friends" whom Srila Prabhupada refers to above, discussing his being poisoned, they are apparently his own leaders. Indeed these leaders were in fact discussing poisoning him as audio forensics confirms, and he was apparently aware of their talking about poisoning him.

Some folks like GBC members or for example Yaduraja dasa of the "ISKCON Reform Movement" (IRM) have criticized Srila Prabhupada for his not speaking "more directly" about his poisoning. They are now very upset and angry that Srila Prabhupada's complaint has been confirmed by audio forensics experts, arsenic forensics experts, more and more testimony and so on. They complain that he was making "indirect" comments about his poisoning, so they can be discounted. Yet we think that there are good reasons for this. Perhaps his statements were intentionally "indirect" to see how some of his leaders would respond to the word "poison"; or so that the poisoners would not become too suspicious and simply kill him faster.

This is what could easily have been the outcome. If there was a conspiracy of "friends" who were giving him poison, and if they thought he might expose them, then they might "finish off the job sooner." In other words, the GBC and Yaduraja types think that Srila Prabhupada should be forbidden from using: common sense? Even in ordinary criminal activity, when for example a person is hijacked or kidnapped, he may not always reveal his mind to the kidnappers? Yet some of the GBC and IRM leaders say that unless Srila Prabhupada reveals his mind to the people who may be poisoning him, he is guilty of the crime of speaking poorly, in their estimation? "Unless Jesus says, right now I am being crucified, he was not crucified"? This is how they attack the poison complaint of the pure devotee.

Some say that Srila Prabhupada's being "killed sooner" is what actually happened anyway for his exposing the poison issue. As soon as he complained he was being given poison, the poison was apparently increased, and so he departed from his body shortly thereafter. In other words, some of the critics of the method Srila Prabhupada handled this poison crisis are not to aware of how people who are being poisoned might respond to that situation. They may not come out and say directly, "I am being poisoned, by my leaders, the "yeh sab friends," and they want to kill me."

If the victim is physically weakened, and isolated, and surrounded by apparent conspirators, the victim may speak in a more oblique manner. So we would argue that the fact that "the poison complaints" are a little oblique, and this fits with the idea that he could not trust the people around him, so he was being a little discrete and indirect. The GBC and IRM assume that Srila Prabhupada trusted Tamal and his coterie so he could speak "directly" to them -- and we do not.

Also, perhaps this complaint was "indirect" since there are other indications that he was trying to get out of the leader's grips and he did not want to alert them so they would halt his plan to escape. Srila Prabhupada kept saying over and over and over, get me out of this room, take me to Mayapura, take me on parikrama, get me out of here. So he wanted to escape, and yet the leaders were holding him back and keeping him in a small room. So he may have wanted to be more careful how he complained about his apparent poison since he was in a confined space and he was surrounded by a cadre of the conspirator "friends."

Perhaps he was "indirect" since he knew he was going to leave his body soon anyway and so he wanted this conversation to be a little covered so that it would not cause too much alarm within his circle of attackers. If he had been "more direct" the conspirators may have destroyed these tapes and killed a few eye witnesses. Instead, by Srila Prabhupada's "indirect" method, the audio tape, and the story of his poison complaint, would eventually emerge, as has apparently occurred in fact.]

- Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada? (15-second pause)

[2003 Update: This shows that Tamal Krishna swami, one of the main suspects in the poison case, was aware that Srila Prabhupada was complaining of his being poisoned and Tamal later confirmed this in his diary, that Srila Prabhupada had complained he was being poisoned. Yet at the time, notice, all that Tamal really wanted to know was, "who" was telling him that he was being poisoned? Was one of the inner circle of poisoners betraying the others and telling Srila Prabhupada of their plot? Notice that Tamal is not very alarmed at the idea that Srila Prabhupada was in fact being poisoned and maybe killed by his saying, "Oh, Srila Prabhupada is thinking someone is giving him poison, so we have to analyze all of his food and medicines immediately. He should be tested for poison content in his body." There is just this rather casual comment, "Who is saying that"?

No such alarm was thus raised, no such alarm apparently even existed amongst the other leaders. Thus no suggestion was made by anyone to see if the complaint had merit. And if the complaint was valid, then it perhaps could be corrected, and perhaps the poison effect could be reversed. Notice that no such alarm bells were being rung by those who heard the complaint. Rather, all that Tamal wanted to know was: how did you come to understand that you were being poisoned? Thus the "alarm bells" seemed to be, not that Srila Prabhupada is being poisoned but: Is there a leak in our conspiracy?

"Who" is saying that you are being poisoned? The crisis seems to be: How can we contain the leak that you are being poisoned? Adridharana dasa of Calcutta also originally told me (in 1997) he too was alarmed at the poison complaint in 1977, but he too did nothing to correct it or investigate it either. Later on Adridharana even tried to oppose Srila Prabhupada's statements by de facto saying: there never even was any poison complaint? So, there has been a mood of suppressing Srila Prabhupada and his complaint by those in posts of leadership, and in sum protecting the poison conspirators, but this is rapidly changing as the evidence piles up that there is a poison complaint and it is valid.]

- Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said. Mmmmm. (?) jyoti jnana. [The astrologer knows.]

So this little section is interesting because Prabhupada is being asked "who said that" and he says, "I do not know, but it is said." So in other words, it's a fact, it's a fact. So "who" has said it, Prabhupada is somewhat reluctant to say perhaps here, but "It is said, it's a fact, I am being poisoned."

[2003 Update: If Tamal was one of those suspected by Srila Prabhupada in the poison plot, Prabhupada is not going to say, "I do know there is a conspiracy to poison me, and you Mr. Tamal, are part of it." So he rather diverts the issue by saying, "I do not know who is saying that 'I am being poisoned,' but it is being said by someone." He is being intentionally vague apparently to throw off the persons whom he suspects. Srila Prabhupada is just mildly pushing out the issue indirectly to see if there is some way to either get out of the situation or at least, to expose it.

So "I do not know who says I am being poisoned, but it is said." This is also going to put Tamal on the defensive, "who" is saying this? He does not know? So that means Tamal has to maybe be careful, the story is perhaps getting out. So this was also a means for Srila Prabhupada to perhaps protect himself, "watch out, someone is talking about my being poisoned, maybe your party will be found out." This also could have been a defensive tactic on Srila Prabhupada's part.

Again this is also perhaps to test how Tamal and others will respond. Another thing is that the critics of Srila Prabhupada's poison case, such as the GBC, Adridharana, Yaduraja of the IRM et al., they have failed to identify who these "friends" are, those who are speaking of his poisoning, in all these years? Nor have they even tried to get their own forensics done, nor have they studied the whispers we have had analyzed according to their spokesman? They seem to want to make the impression that Srila Prabhupada was getting old, maybe his mind was slipping, maybe he was hearing voices? They simply say more or less that "no one" was talking about his poisoning, he was making it up, maybe he was mentally unsound, that is their sort of complaint against Srila Prabhupada. No, there are solid forensic evidences that the people in the room in Srila Prabhupada's presence were in fact discussing poisoning him, his so-called "friends." Again, as of this point, no counter audio forensics has been forwarded by the GBC or their IRM counterparts. Meanwhile several more audio labs have confirmed that the whispers of the conspirator "friends" do in fact exist. "It is said that I am being poisoned," and this was in fact being said. And this has been verified by audio forensics labs: it is being said that he is being poisoned by his leaders, his "friends."

Worse, the GBC and the IRM forwarded a false audio forensics "expert" to counteract us, but their "expert" has subsequently admitted in public that he has no audio forensic credentials. In sum the GBC and the IRM tried to bluff their way out of the poison complaint and they tried to paint Srila Prabhupada as incoherent, incompetent, and they tried make a huge joke and circus out of the poison complaint of Srila Prabhupada with their bogus counter forensics and other falsity.

This has backfired on them badly. Worse, the GBC tried to start a web site to counteract the poison complaint and this was also subsequently endorsed by the IRM, and now that web site has disappeared, being discredited, and in addition the main leaders of that site's GBC are being sued for starting a mass homosexual pedophile molesting regime.]

- Then he says jyoti jnana. "The jyoti knows," this is I think the way this would be translated. So in Prabhupada's chart, his astrological chart or jyotish, it says "you will live for six more years." This was read in August of 1977, his jyotish, just a few months before he left his body. In his chart it said, "You will live for six more years if you can live for the next six months. But watch out over the next six months, you will have some danger from juniors and subordinates, meaning the leaders, the people around you, they could be very dangerous." So Prabhupada makes a reference here to the jyotish, and in the jyotish there's a warning about his leaders being a potential cause of his death over the next six months.

INTERESTING article would u say not ? sounds rather believable to us, some of u in the past have asked if we at the 70s invasion are devotees ? well we try to be even if we are rather materially attached to all the obscure music we listen to, we admit it's our material love, and it helps in our lives to serve God more happily,.... ahh well to each his own, we feel we have done a good service by turning folks onto Krsna consciousness, and obscure music, vice versa.........were sure some devotees out there would laugh at this site, or say we are not sincere in our devotion, well we don't view life from an american point of view unlike some of those devotees, yes we do chant sometimes, allthough we forget to sometimes as well, every week we chant, sometimes twice or 3 times a week we post spiritual insight somewhere on this site, usually they end up on our gateway's, sometimes elsewhere, we know our position and our duty and where we stand, so we'll continue to bring forth this invention of ours to those out there to those who feel the need to tune in every week or so, that is unless someone removes the whole site like it has happened in the past, oh here is the link with the full story of PRABHUPADA being poisoned -

the following article on a pet parrot in a california HARE KRSNA temple was added july 19th '04, we have been asked to change the names, and place, it was sent to us by a friend, a female devotee named Penelope who resides on the east coast of the u.s.

He was the temple president of A CALIFORNIA TEMPLE, He had a pet parrot, IN THE TEMPLE. (Not the temple room, but the temple building.) Anyway, BHAKTI JOE spent HOURS standing in front of that parrots cage trying to teach it to chant. And he did! But it took him a long time. So when I was visiting (a hundred years ago lol), one brahmacarini (woman monk) told me how JOE use to drive her nuts! lol Not the chanting, just JOE himself, and i guess his obsession.

If you know him, you'd undersand. Hes a trip. Anyway, there's another example of not only a devotee having a pet, but a temple president (at that time tp). But JOE is a character. Most tps aren't gonna do that. Oh yes, and it says in the Bhagavatam that you can teach a parrot to chant, but at the time of death he still says "Squak!" :) Thats cuz hes in an animal body and doesn't have the intelligence or sense control of human birth. Still, its beneficial. I tell my cat all the time to chant Hare Krishna. ha I know she can't, but I tell her anyway cuz on some level, her soul gets it. Next life, probably a devotee for her.

( 70s inv mgmt. )

'well folks do u suppose chanting the names of our Lord is beneficial for animals ? good question,.......... last year ('03) we read a book called THE LESSONS OF ST. FRANCIS by a former member of 60s country rock band MASON PROFFITT, seems FRANCIS had birds always flocking about him because he sang and talked of God with them, and you know every year that for some unknown reason many birds flock to a small town in Italy named after St. Francis, now what was it called ?

.........signing off this day of our Lord ; july 19th '04

article added here on March 20th '05, it was atop the 70s invasion for over a week from march 12th - 20th....

story from the year 2107

So Grandpa tell us what it was like in the old days before the war, when people used to eat animals ?

Well kids on the surface everything looked fine,people drove fancy cars , lived in nice homes and so on, but many of them seemed to be hooked on prescription meds. all because they ate animals, the animals themselves were kept in CONCENTRATION CAMPS and most spent their entire lives kept inside cages where all they could do was to look at a brick wall,only seeing the light of day when they were headed for the gas chambers, what existed was an ANIMAL HOLOCAUST similiar to what happened in germany in the 40's,wanna hear more ?

You bet !

well kids the FDA ( food and drug administration ) were very good at lying to people and kept most people in the dark about how bad eating meat was for u, basically what happened was the animals were kept in such horrible conditions that they developed all kinds of sicknesses , so the meat industry kept pumping drugs into the animals to make them better,and fatter,and bigger,which when ate by a human it set off all kinds of bacteria and illness within the person's body,u see people did not realize they were eating something DEAD,as oppossed to vegetables which for the most part are still eventually by the time these idiots got older they had all kinds of illnesses which were all due to eating meat,chicken,fish,eggs, milk,and so on, the FDA regulated all the foods and drugs in the u.s. they were able to make sure the doctors were kept wealthy with a steady stream of patients coming in all the time, and the PHRAMACUETICAL COMPANIES basically trained doctors to SELL THEIR DRUGS all the while the FDA kept Homepathy and NATURAL MEDICINE very confined to small clinics since such hospitals were outlawed in the u.s. a long long time ago,

Grandpa is it true the Natural medicines cured people of these illnesses ?

Sure they did ! there were cures for all sorts of ailments that people get, but again the Govt. thru the FDA made sure the majority of the u.s. were kept in the dark and ate a steady diet of junk food and diseased animals, but in the end this proved to be mankind's mistake and all of a sudden the animals rebelled and attacked humans,and then the war began causing millions of deaths............

Do you think a comparison could be made to that film SOYLENT GREEN ,were the govt. conned people into eating their product because there was no food left ?

In a way yes SOYLENT GREEN is a good comparison, but in the end Mankind did not realize it was eating GOD's CREATURES it was

eating it's own...


added March 2oth '05

Good article on the Fda vs the Drug Industry taken from this link -

Traditional Chinese Medicine is thousands of years old. Western medicine is little more than a century old.

But even with western medicine still in its infancy, its arrogance is staggering. Herbal healing is usually dismissed as little more than quackery and witch doctoring. But who, in fact, is really backward? Western medicine often blasts the body with antibiotics, or prematurely rushes to surgery. Very short-sighted: How will we cure ourselves now that germs are becoming immune to antibiotics?

Still, the Food and Drug Administration continues to regard herbal healing as the enemy, while ignoring the overwhelming evidence in its favor. The FDA also uses bureaucratic barriers to restrict its use, ensuring that herbal products can only be sold as ?˜dietary supplements?? Compare this to Europe?? Between 30% - 40% of all French and German doctors rely on herbal preparations as their primary medicines. Ginkgo Biloba illustrates the point.

In Germany and France, Gingko extracts are among some of the most widely prescribed drugs. In both countries, Gingko Biloba leaves are registered for the treatment of cerebral and peripheral vascular insufficiency.

Yet no medicinal claims are allowed for Gingko Biloba in the United States. The FDA requires the same standard of absolute proof as for synthetic drugs. Very convenient for the pharmaceutical industry! After all...

It takes upwards of a quarter-billion dollars and a dozen years to develop a new chemical drug, and send it through the FDA testing process. Of course, once a drug is approved for sale, the pharmaceutical company owns the patent and then recovers its development costs by charging an arm and a leg.

That?™s how our system works, which leaves herbal remedies out in the cold. After all, nobody can "own" an herb, nor could any herbal company afford the FDA approval process. Anyway, for the most obvious of reasons -- profit -- drug companies regard natural herbs as their mortal enemy. A dollar spent on an herb is a dollar that would have gone to them.

In Germany, in contrast, they have Kommission E -- a governmental body formed to determine the safety and effectiveness of herbal medicines. So far, over 250 herbs have been approved for medical use.

The FDA?™s position is that herbal medicine is unproven. So why not have a testing agency similar to Germany?

Don?™t hold your breath, however. Too much money is at stake -- billions and billions of dollars.



( did not post anything on this page for several months in '05 because such releavant articles went in our gateway 3, and 4 for that year, we posted 2 new ones in jan '06, they are below )

Msg article added jan 20th '06

MSG - Slowly Poisoning America Author Unknown


I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, so did a friend of mine, John Erb. He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo, and spent years working for the government.

He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called The Slow Poisoning of America. In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies.

No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so the scientists have to create them. They make these morbidly obese creatures by injecting them with a chemical when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and humans?) to become obese They even have a title for the race of fat rodents they create: "MSG-Treated Rats" .

I was shocked too. I went to my kitchen, checking the cupboards and the fridge.

MSG was in everything! The Campbell's soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavored potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, Kraft salad dressings, especially the 'healthy low fat' ones. The items that didn't have MSG had something called Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein, which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. They hide MSG under many different names in order to fool those who catch on.

But it didn't stop there. When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items had MSG. Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn't use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list, which they grudgingly provided, sure enough MSG and Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein were everywhere. Burger King, McDonalds, Wendy's, Taco Bell, every restaurant, even the sit down ones like TGIF, Chilis', Applebees and Denny's use MSG in abundance. Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG was in every chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin, their secret spice was MSG!

So why is MSG in so may of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative or a vitamin?

Not according to my friend John. In the book he wrote, an expose of the food additive industry called The Slow Poisoning of America, ( ), he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body.

Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG at explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people eat more. A study of elderly people showed that people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobby group says eating more benefits the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us?

'Betcha can't eat just one', takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned!

And we wonder why the nation is overweight? The MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn't added.

Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance: NICOTINE for FOOD!

Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the prepackaged meals, soups, snacks and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday.

The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it's safe to eat in any amount.

How can they claim it is safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these?

The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity. Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002

Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats. Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori RC, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug

Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: an animal model of multiple risk factors. Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, Ichikawa K, Shinohara N, Yoshinari Fujishima

Hypertens Res. 1998 Mar

Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity. Tanaka K, Shimada M, Nakao K, Kusunoki Exp Neurol. 1978 Oct

Yes, that last study was not a typo, it WAS written in 1978. Both the medical research community and food "manufaturers" have known MSG's side effects for decades!

Many more studies mentioned in John Erb's book link MSG to Diabetes,

Migraines and headaches, Autism, ADHD and even Alzheimer's.

But what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see?

Even as you read this, George W. Bush and his corporate supporters are pushing a Bill through Congress. Called the "Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act" also known as the "Cheeseburger Bill", this sweeping law bans anyone from suing food manufacturers, sellers and distributors. Even if it comes out that they purposely added an addictive chemical to their foods. Read about it for yourself at: tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040311/ap_on_go_co/obesity_lawsuits_4

The Bill has already been rushed through the House of Representatives, and is due for the same rubber stamp at Senate level. It is important that Bush and his corporate supporters get it through before the media lets everyone know about MSG, the intentional Nicotine for food.

Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While sitting in the Government office, the official told him "Sure I know how bad MSG is, I wouldn't touch the stuff!" But this top level government official refused to tell the public what he knew.

The big media doesn't want to tell the public either, fearing legal issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin.

So what do we do?

The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it.

Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive.

But what can I do about it? I'm just one voice, what can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while guys like Bush are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us.

I for one am doing something about it.

I am sending this email out to everyone I know in an attempt to show you the truth that the corporate owned politicians and media won't tell you.

The best way you can help save yourself and your children from this drug-induced epidemic, is to forward this email to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before Bush can pass the Bill protecting those who poisoned us.

The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on Nicotine?

Blow the whistle on MSG.

If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us, and you don't believe what John Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine, at . Type in the words "MSG Obese", and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear.

We do not want to be rats in one giant experiment, and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, waiting for the slaughter.

With your help we can put an end to this, and stop the Slow Poisoning of America. Let's save our children

Hidden Sources Of MSG In Foods From the book 'Excitotoxins - The Taste That Kills' By Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD 3-6-3

What if someone were to tell you that a chemical (MSG) added to food could cause brain damage in your children, and that this chemical could effect how your children's nervous systems formed during development so that in later years they may have learning or emotional difficulties?

What if there was scientific evidence that these chemicals could permanently damage a critical part of the brain known to control hormones so that later in life your child might have endocrine problems? How would you feel?

Suppose evidence was presented to you strongly suggesting that the artificial sweetener in your diet soft drink may cause brain tumors to develop, and that the number of brain tumors reported since the introduction of this widespread introduction of this artificial sweetener has risen dramatically? Would that affect your decision to drink these products and especially to allow your children to drink them? What if you could be shown overwhelming evidence that one of the main ingredients in this sweetener (aspartate) could cause the same brain lesions as MSG? Would that affect your buying decisions?

And finally, what if it could be demonstrated that all of these types of chemicals, called excitotoxins, could possibly aggravate or even precipitate many of today's epidemic neurodegenerative brain diseases such as Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease, ALS, and Alzheimer's disease? Would you be concerned if you knew that these excitotoxin food additives are a particular risk if you have diabetes, or have ever had a stroke, brain injury, brain tumor, seizure, or have suffered from hypertension, meningitis, or viral encephalitis?

Would you also be upset to learn that many of the brain lesions caused by these products in your children are irreversible and can result from a SINGLE exposure of these products in sufficient concentration?

How would you feel when you learn the food industry hides and disguises these excitotoxin additives (MSG and Aspartate) so they can't be recognized? Incredulous? Enraged? The fact is many foods are labeled as having "No MSG" but in fact not only contain MSG but also are laced with other excitotoxins of equal potency and danger.

All of the above are true. And all of these well known brain toxins are poured into our food and drink by the thousands of tons to boost sales. These additives have NO OTHER purpose other than to enhance to TASTE of food and the SWEETNESS of various diet products.

Hidden Sources Of MSG As discussed previously, the glutamate (MSG) manufacturers and the processed food industries are always on a quest to disguise the MSG added to food. Below is a partial list of the most common names for disguised MSG. Remember also that the powerful excitotoxins, aspartate and L-cystine, are frequently added to foods and according to FDA rules require NO LABELING AT ALL. * Food Additives that ALWAYS contain MSG *

Monosodium Glutamate, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein,

Hydrolyzed Protein, Hydrolyzed Plant Protein,

Plant Protein Extract, Sodium Caseinate,

Calcium Caseinate, Yeast Extract,

Textured Protein. (Including TVP) Autolyzed Yeast,

Hydrolyzed Oat Flour, Corn Oil,

* Food Additives That FREQUENTLY Contain MSG *

Malt Extract, Malt Flavoring,

Bouillon, Broth,

Stock, Flavoring,

Natural Flavors/Flavoring, Natural Beef Or Chicken Flavoring,

Seasoning, Spices,

* Food Additives That MAY Contain MSG Or Excitotoxins *

Carrageenan, Enzymes,

Soy Protein Concentrate, Soy Protein Isolate,

Whey Protein Concentrate, Also: Protease Enzymes of various sources can release excitotoxin amino, acids from food proteins. Aspartame - An Intense Source Of Excitotoxins, Aspartame is a sweetener made from two amino acids, phenylalanine and the excitotoxin aspartate. It should be avoided at all costs. Aspartame complaints accounts for approximately 70% of ALL complaints to the FDA. It is implicated in everything from blindness to headaches to convulsions. Sold under dozens of brand names such as NutraSweet and Equal, aspartame breaks down within 20 minutes at room temperature into several primary toxic and dangerous ingredients: 1. DKP (diketopiperazine) (When ingested, converts to a near duplicate of a powerful brain tumor causing agent) 2. Formic Acid (ant venom) 3. Formaldehyde (embalming fluid) 4. Methanol (causes blindness...extremely dangerous substance)

Common Examples: Diet soft drinks, sugar free gums, sugar free Kool Aid, Crystal Light, childrens' medications, and thousands of other products claiming to be 'low calorie', 'diet', or 'sugar free'. A Final Note... Dr. Blaylock recounted a meeting with a senior executive in the food additive industry who told him point blank that these excitotoxins are going to be in our food no matter how many name changes are necessary...

Thanksgiving: A National Day of Mourning for Indians

by Moonanum James and Mahtowin Munro

Every year since 1970, United American Indians of New England have organized the National Day of Mourning observance in Plymouth at noon on Thanksgiving Day. Every year, hundreds of Native people and our supporters from all four directions join us. Every year, including this year, Native people from throughout the Americas will speak the truth about our history and about current issues and struggles we are involved in.

Why do hundreds of people stand out in the cold rather than sit home eating turkey and watching football? Do we have something against a harvest festival?

Of course not. But Thanksgiving in this country -- and in particular in Plymouth --is much more than a harvest home festival. It is a celebration of the pilgrim mythology.

According to this mythology, the pilgrims arrived, the Native people fed them and welcomed them, the Indians promptly faded into the background, and everyone lived happily ever after.

The truth is a sharp contrast to that mythology.

The pilgrims are glorified and mythologized because the circumstances of the first English-speaking colony in Jamestown were frankly too ugly (for example, they turned to cannibalism to survive) to hold up as an effective national myth. The pilgrims did not find an empty land any more than Columbus "discovered" anything. Every inch of this land is Indian land. The pilgrims (who did not even call themselves pilgrims) did not come here seeking religious freedom; they already had that in Holland. They came here as part of a commercial venture.

shocking isn't it ? then again not much is surprising these days, see the rest of this story see this link ~




ASK YOURSELF THIS, IF JESUS APPEARED ON THE PLANET TODAY WOULD HE APPROVE OF OUR MULTINATIONAL ANIMAL HOLOCAUST TODAY ? would he approve the 6 piece bucket from the colonel ? hey you might as well be sucking colonel saunders dick, which do you think is worse for your health ?


this article on the FDA was written by us in march '05, the best food to consume for your health are RAW FOODS, organic vegetables, fruits, nuts, and grains are the best antioxidant along with nature foods like raw chocolate, and check your town now for a Raw Food restaurant, eat raw food and you'll likely never have high doctor bills in your life........and old people are basically killed off by pharmacuetical meds by the time they reach 65 - 70 yrs of age, that way the government gets to keep their ssi money, figure it out,

wE HOPED YOU ENJOYED THE ARTICLES HERE........MORE TO COME.......:) for now here are the lyrics to a great song !


( in spanish and english )

Original music by Jose Fernandez Diaz Music adaptation by Pete Seeger & Julian Orbon

Lyric adaptation by Julian Orbon, based on a poem by Jose Marti

Yo soy un hombre sincero De donde crecen las palmas Yo soy un hombre sincero De donde crecen las palmas Y antes de morirme quiero Echar mis versos del alma


Guantanamera, Guajira Guantanamera, Guantanamera, Guajira Guantanamera,

Mi verso es de un verde claro Y de un carmin encendido Mi verso es de un verde claro Y de un carmin encendido Mi verso es un ciervo herido Que busca en el monte amparo


I am a truthful man from this land of palm trees Before dying I want to share these poems of my soul My verses are light green But they are also flaming red

(the next verse says,)

I cultivate a rose in June and in January For the sincere friend who gives me his hand And for the cruel one who would tear out this heart with which I live I do not cultivate thistles nor nettles I cultivate a white rose

Cultivo la rosa blanca En junio como en enero Qultivo la rosa blanca En junio como en enero Para el amigo sincero Que me da su mano franca


Y para el cruel que me arranca El corazon con que vivo Y para el cruel que me arranca El corazon con que vivo Cardo ni ortiga cultivo Cultivo la rosa blanca


Con los pobres de la tierra Quiero yo mi suerte echar Con los pobres de la tierra Quiero yo mi suerte echar El arroyo de la sierra Me complace mas que el mar


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