Through these years, I realized that I needed more art education, and a Hermon Liharenbury who worked with me, joined the Detroit Art Academy run by Mr. Gevis, a good draftsman and artist and a good teacher and we studied with him two nights a week for about three years.

We had a kind of system in those days. After working all day and some overtime, we went to dinner and then bowled two games and then to art school for three hours. Then we went to some dance until about one in the morning. After the dance, we caught a cab which left the City Hall corner at two in the morning. Eventually got in bed and then it was off to work at five-thirty in the morning and got on the job with no coffee breaks for us. It seemed to agree with us at our ages and I never regretted one minute of it as I learned more about art, learned how to dance, and learned about the female sex, and become a pretty good bowler.

This was the hot day for commercial artists and we were well paid and lived the life of Riley. We had no income or social security tax to pay, no paid vacations, no sickness or health insurance, no unemployment fund, but we were more independent. If I had my choice, I would take that way of working over the present way. I feel the more a human being is on his own, the more he got to use his noodle and when the noodle gets exercise, it seems to work better, and you accomplish more and can be prouder of yourself and what you accomplish. I think a good working man should be proud of getting more money on his own abilities and work than to have to thank a big labor boss for getting it for him. You get all the bossing around you need from your boss and your wife without the labor leader and government telling you what to do. Of course, I admit bosses have to recognize a working man's abilities, and not think that he is an ordinary man given some particular gift to run their lives and place a true value on themselves and recognize a real workman as his equal and see that he gets his just part of the profits.

Money is a necessity in industry of any kind, but the human element is of more importance. Artists were important at this period, and when I say artists, I mean men who design, decorate, or do anything that requires imagination, skill and knowledge of design and overall a feeling for better looking things whether it’s a car, or a household utensil. Everything made by man depends on its looks or its appeal to people and some place along the way requires the help of someone who has the skill and taste to make it look good to people. Manufacturing recognize this, and pay well to get it, but lots of them control it to closely having larger groups of artists designing different parts, subject to all the big shots and bosses in the organization and knock out necessary imagination and ability of the designer.

An assembler which is a necessity in good designer can not be accomplished by a group of artist, designer, bookkeeper or owner standing over them and kibitzing. It’s like hiring three architects to design and build your home, it can't work. An ideal man would be an engineer with the soul of an artist and the freedom to do things but they are rare characters and hard to find.