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The True Face of Christians
I have observed
throughout my lifetime, a great many Christians who use foul language which
would make even a sailor blush. I have know Christians to lie, steal, cheat, be
dishonest, abusive and even comitt murder. Some of these Christians even wear a
cross, or little Christian medels while they act very obnoxious. With these
people, I am quite frank in my opinion as to their character, which may not be
considered to be "Politically Correct". Most people who claim to be a Christian,
are more by name and religion, than anything else. They tend to regurgitate
their apostate lies, and sound more like a broken record, than anything they
have to say that is truly meaningful. A lot of the Christians I had come across,
made me wonder what good is being a Christian anyway? Given that their religion
is based upon a lie, and they worship a pagan, man-made Baal God. My personal
observation is that Christians are pretty good at pretending to be what they are
not. They are not that much different than the rogues and shysters one
encounters from time to time. Frankly, most of the Christians I have encounteded
over a lifetime, were as phony as their Baal religion. To be fair, I have met
some Christians who are pretty good and decent people, despite their religion,
but these people are rather the exception. Here in Haileybury and Temiskaming
Shores, I had found most Christians to be pretty good and decent people,
compaired to those I had encountered elsewhere. It is no great wonder why
Christianity had lost its glamor and great deal of influence over the years. I
have noticed that Christianity is shrinking more every year, especially in
Europe and North America.
The Jewish Holocaust
In 1933, when the German government (Hitler) enacted a series of anti-Jewish laws which led up to the "Night of Broken Glass" that heralded the beginning of the Jewish Holocaust in Christianized Germany. 
Today marks Holocaust memorial in Israel and around the globe, remembering the deaths of literally millions of Jews, in Jewish ghettoes and concentration camps throughout Christianized Europe, committed predominantly by avowed Christians, Catholics and Protestants. An event (1933–1945) when Jews had suffered horrendous persecution and death, (1.5 million were children). Jews were beaten, murdered, and many families were completely decimated. Yad Vashem, Israel’s main Holocaust remembrance and education center is situated on the green slopes of Har HaZikaron, (the Mount of Remembrance) in Jerusalem. May such a Holocaust of the Jewish people never happen again, least we forget.
Horrendous Genocide Committed by Christians
It is a well known historical fact by now that Catholics and Protestants had caused Jews to suffer horrendous persecution, beatings and death by their blood soaked hands and their Christian Cross, during the years of 1933-1945. How dare Christian priests and preachers now preach to people about their phony, man-made God, Je-Zeus Christ, after what had been done to the Jewish people. Christians should be totally ashamed with utter disgust, of being associated with a religion which had committed such atrocities in the name of Christianity. How dare Christians now preach their religion from their corrupted, altered Christian bible to people, after all the horrendous atrocities Christians had committed throughout their history, all in the name of their phony God, Je-Zeus Christ. For decades, even for centuries, Christian priests and preachers have deliberately tried to downplay the severity of their actions, or totally ignore those horrendous atrocities committed under the banner of Christianity. The majority of Christian priests and preachers had purposely ignored those horrendous atrocities, and kept pushing their perverted, apostate religion upon people, as if what had been done in the name of their Christ, did not matter. I find Christian priests and preachers to be impertinent and contemptible as they stand at their alters and pulpits, looking ever so sanctified, and preach to people its message of Christianity, as if it had a clean reputation, without any blemish, that is worthy to be heard. How dare Christians have the audacity, the cheek, to now speak to people about their perverted, apostate religion, given the trail of innocent blood that had been shed upon people by Christians, the horrendous crimes, pain and suffering Christians had caused upon humanity! There is no doubt in my mind that Christian priests and preachers would greatly want to sweep Christianities long horrendous history of atrocities under the rug, so to speak, where no one will know of it, but there will always be someone around, to pull away that rug and expose their lies, dishonesty, corruption, deception and Christianities atrocious blood stained history, for all the world to see.
Muslim Genocide against Christians
Before the "Christian" Nazi's had slaughtered millions of Jews, before the Khmer Rouge killed 1.7 million of their fellow Cambodians, before Rwandan Hutus killed 800,000 ethnic Tutsis, the Armenians of Turkey endured mass slaughter at the hands of Muslims, during the Ottoman Empire. The centuries of Muslim rule had reduced Asia Minor, the epicenter of western civilization and Christendom, into a bloody Islamic cesspool which culminated in a genocide against Armenian and Greek Christian populations. For three thousand years, a thriving Armenian community had existed inside the vast region of the Middle East bordered by the Black, Mediterranean and Caspian Seas. The area, known as Asia Minor, stands at the crossroads of three continents; Europe, Asia and Africa. Great powers rose and fell over the many centuries and the Armenian homeland was at various times ruled by Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs and Mongols. Following the advent of Christianity, in 301 CE., Armenia became the first nation to officially declare itself Christian. By the 10th century, Armenians had established a new capital at Ani, called the "city of a thousand and one churches." In the eleventh century, the Ottoman Empire invasion of the Armenian homeland occurred. The Muslim king, Alp Arslan invaded Armenia, and sacked its capital city Ani in 1064 CE. This began several hundred years of rule by Muslims. By the sixteenth century, Armenia had been absorbed into the vast and mighty Ottoman Empire. At its peak, the Ottoman empire included much of Southeast Europe, North Africa, and almost all of the Middle East. But by the 1800s the once powerful Ottoman Empire, which its armies had once been virtually invincible, was loosing one battle after another to modern European armies. The Ottoman Empire was in serious decline. As the Ottomon empire gradually disintegrated, formerly subject peoples including the Greeks, Serbs and Romanians achieved their long-awaited independence. Only the Armenians and the Arabs of the Middle East remained stuck in the backward and nearly bankrupt empire, under the autocratic rule of Sultan Abdul Hamid II. Between 1894 and 1896 over 100,000 inhabitants of Armenian villages were massacred during widespread pogroms conducted by the Muslim Sultan's special regiments. Sultan Abdul-Hamid II known in history as the "Red Sultan" carried out a series of massacres of the Armenian population. The worst of the massacres occurred in 1895, resulting in the death of 100,000 to 300,000 civilians, and leaving tens of thousands destitute. Most of those killed were men. In many towns, the central marketplace and other Armenian-owned businesses were destroyed, usually by conflagration. These atrocities is referred to as "The Armenian Genocide", but in reality the Muslims had targeted all minority groups which were Christian, and killed or displaced millions of Armenians, Ionian and Pontic Greeks as well as Christian Assyrians. The Pontic Greeks were driven on the same death marches along with the Assyrians, as they lived in more inland areas. The Ionians had the best chance for escape, as they lived on the western coastal region, though many were still slaughtered, most notably at the burning/massacre of Smyrna in 1922. Muslims Turks says the death count is inflated and that the deaths were a result of civil unrest. To this day Turkey denies the Armenian genocide, but history cannot be hidden or rewritten. Adolf Hitler once cited the killing of the Armenians as a precedent for his own slaughter of the Jewish people two decades later. "Kill without mercy! Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians"?, the Nazi leader told his mostly Christian military on the eve of the Jewish Holocaust.
Science and Christianity
I came across a book, titled; The Map that Changed the World, by Simon Winchester. While the books main focus was on the works of William Smith and, who lived in the eighteenth century, it also gave an overview account on the history of people who were involved in earth science which gave birth to modern geology. People who had advanced and contributed towards the then, fledgling earth science, in the pursued of finding answers to questions about rocks and their formation, fossils, the layering strata of the earth, and of course, the age of planet earth. These questions when answered, would shake the foundation of once long held prejudices, and misplaced beliefs by the dogmatic Christian beliefs of the Christian church. A church structure which had done everything in its power to stall the advancement of science due to it powerful influence with the Monarchy and its courts, influential individuals and among the common people. During the sixteenth century, to challenge the "Church", would be courting ridicule and one would be labelled as a heretic. People like Nicolaus Steno, a Dane, who had published his idea that fossils found in stones, were once living creatures. The Christian "Church" had maintained that fossils were etched by the hand of their "God" which were "lapides sui generis" (stones unto themselves). Nicolaus Steno came under the wrath of the "Church" that he was forced to recant his publication. Another stupid notion that the "Church" believed, was that the planet earth was six thousand years old. This was based upon the Christian Bible, which had been corrupted and was purposely flawed by those ecclesiastical "church" fathers. A Bible which had by the way, incorporated many pagan fictitious myths. This six thousand year date that the church's clerics had derived from calculating the generations which proceeded from Adam and Eve, on down to the human birth of their fictitious God, Je-Zeus Christ. There are people today, who still hold on to that stupid, ridicules belief that the earth is only six thousand years old. William Smith was later to prove the "Church" to be wrong on many issues concerning geology, fossils and the age of the earth.
The Internet, voice of the People
Long before the advent of the Internet, Christian priests and preachers have for a long time had little restriction and opposition to spread their apostate, Baal religion. They were able to practice their priestcraft without any fear of having anyone to rebut their teachings. The average person had little opportunity to voice their own opinion, their concern, over what is being preached on the many radio and TV Christian broadcasts which had proliferated the airways. But since the development of the Internet, it has given the average person access to a worldwide media and audience, in which it has allowed people to have a platform, a voice, to be heard. They are indeed now being heard all over the world. One only need to search the Internet, to see this is the case. I can vouch that people are indeed being heard. I am aware the amount of people who have visited my web sites. Christian priests and preachers no longer have the security in having their preaching being heard without having any opposition rebuttal to what they may say. There are people like me who will expose their lies, their ignoramus statements that is coming from the mouth of these deceiving ecclesiastical Christian misfits.
The Protestant Great Lie, Exposed!
By Jean Pall / April, 28th. 2009
Have Protestants a Divine or a human foundation for their faith? This is the question I want to focus and discuss here. I have on many occasions throughout my web pages made reference and answered questions on this matter, but because this is a very important question, I will expand upon it in the hope that people will realize the truth that is contained herein. One of the false assumption Protestants have made throughout the centuries is that the Christian so-called,“Holy Bible”, is the infallible “Word of GOD” because the book was inspired, or as some Protestant clergy would go so far as to claim that it was written by the hand of GOD. That the Christian “Bible” has no contradictions, misquotes and was accurately translated. That the early Protestant reformers had translated their text into their own languages, German, French, English, ect., from original sources. All of these bold claims made by Protestant clergies and pastors throughout the centuries, are totally false, which amount to the “Great Protestant Lie”. To uncover this damnable protestant lie, one has to have a clear idea how the Christian bible came to exist. During the late first century, the pagans within the area of Judea, Antioch and Damascus had adopted the teachings of Yeshua, but were forced to separate from the true fold in Jerusalem, due to the fact that they began to preach another "gospel", which became known as the Gospel of the "separated". A false gospel which had incorporated many fictitious pagan myths and traditions which was totally against the teachings of Yeshua. These pagans became known as "Christians". They had also made for themselves a pagan god, they had named, Je-Zeus Christ, based upon the well established pagan Sun Gods like Mithras, Apolo and Zeus. When Christians became influential among their fellow pagans, during the time when the Roman Emperor, Constantine I, had somewhat adopted to Christianity in 312 CE, and would eventually be converted and baptised upon his death-bed. Constantine had decreed that Sunday, was going to be the "Lord's day" and a "day of rest" and worship for all Christians. After all, even though Constantine had converted to Christianity, he still worshiped his other pagan Sun god, Apollo. Despite his so-called conversion to Christianity, he had retained the office for himself to be the "pontifex maximus", the office of bishop, and had continued to represent "Sol Invictus", the unconquered sun, which was the Roman state-supported sun God. Constantine found monotheism less objectionable than the traditional pagan pantheon of Roman Gods. The "Sol Invictus" had been adopted by Christians as their Christ being the Sun God, Apollo. By 325 CE, Constantine had called the First Council of Nicaea in order to unify Christology . During that time among these pagan Christians, there were so many conflicting views about what they actually believed, that it became troublesome to Constantine. To solve the problems raised by all those conflicting views and beliefs, the council opened in the presence of the emperor, as the leading Christian "church" fathers presided over the sessions. There were around 225 to 318 of the Eastern and Western bishops which had attended this Council, with a couple of papal legates. The chief figures at the council were Arius and his opponent, Athanasius. During the council, there were a lot of arguments and fights as they adopted a formula of faith, that seems to have been based on a simple baptismal creed, which was not the creed generally circulated today as the Nicene Creed. It was here that the Christian Church fathers affirmed their long held view to the divinity of their Je-Zeus Christ. In that their Je-Zeus Christ is fully God and fully man. In the same manner as the Egyptian pagan Pharaohs and Roman Emperors who claimed to be God. The Trinity was adopted to affirm that the three Christian gods, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit were co-equal. All of the three Christian gods were encased into the "one" body of their phony, man-made pagan God, Je-Zeus Christ. Protestants would later claim that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are only "titles" of their "one" pagan, Christian Baal God, Je-Zeus Christ. It was around that time they began to sort out what documents would become part of the New Testament canon, which was being put together by the early Roman Catholic Church Fathers. This was about the time when the early Christian "Church Fathers" had started to alter text, added words and passages, changed the name of Yeshua, in all passaged into the pagan God, Je-Zeus Christ. They had also deliberately misquoted passages in the Old Testament, to those text that would affirm their view on the deity of their fictitious God, which would became a part of the Christian "Bible" for all Christians. A good example of this kind of document tampering made by the Roman Catholic Christian clergy, is found in the text of the Jewish historian Josephus. The "Antiquities of the Jews" written by Josephus, was originally written in the late first century CE. The Roman Catholic Church produced a copy of this document, which one passage, from the Testimonium Flavianum, discusses the career of the Christian Je-Zeus Christ. The authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum has been disputed since the 17th century, and by the mid 18th century the consensus view is that it was a tampering by the early Christian scribes, if not a total forgery. The other passage simply mentions Je-Zeus Christ as the brother of James, also known as James the Just. Most scholars consider this passage had also been added into the text, or the text was forged from the original. That passage has been disputed by many reliable bible scholars. Josephus other major work, The Jewish War, makes no mention at all of this phony, man-made-up Je-Zeus Christ! A more original copy of Josephus works was found, and in it, there were no mention of the Christian, Je-Zeus Christ in the documents. It was clear that the Roman Catholic Scribes had added those text into their copy of Josephus works in a desperate attempt to give credibility to their phony Je-Zeus Christ. The Vatican is famous in the tampering and forging of documents, being that they had much practice in the art with the intent to deceive. By the time Protestantism came into being, the Christian Bible and its Roman Catholic church dogma had been well established during the nine hundred years before the era of defection from the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant reformation would be born. A great many Protestant preachers today, wrongly believe and preached that Marten Luther had started the Protestant reformation with the nailing of his Ninety-five Thesis on the door of the Wittenberg Palace, All Saints Church in Germany during the 16th century. Because of this error, Protestants believe this event signalled the beginning of the Protestant Reformation and Protestantism in general. That is not the case. There were other people who had started the reformation movement, as early as the 13th century. Even then, the papacy had become vulnerable to attack from within the ranks of the Roman Catholic Church. The most famous of these early reformers in the 14th century was English born, John Wycliffe, who had boldly attacked the papacy on religious issues. One must understand that from the revival of the Holy Roman Empire, popes and emperors had been engaged in a continuous contest for supremacy. This conflict had generally resulted in victory for the papal side, but created bitter antagonism between Rome (Vatican) and the monarchies. Resentment against the papacy had developed because of heavy papal taxation, and against submission to ecclesiastical officials from a distant and foreign land. Anyway, getting back to the 14th century English reformer John Wycliffe, he attacked the papacy on the sale of indulgences, pilgrimages, the excessive veneration of saints, and the moral and intellectual standards of ordained priests. To reach the common people, he had translated the altered, corrupted Christian Bible that had been around for the past nine hundred years, into English and delivered sermons in English, rather than in Latin. Another religious reformer was John Huss (Jan Hus). The execution of Huss as a heretic in 1415 CE led directly to the Hussite Wars, a violent expression of Bohemian nationalism, suppressed with difficulty by the combined forces of the Holy Roman emperor and the pope. By the time the 16th century rolled around, people like Martin Luther, who was a Roman Catholic Augustinian monk, who was fervently anti-jew, had translated the altered and corrupted Christian Bible into German. Martin Luther and John Calvin would promote to interpret the Christian bible text to their own understanding, which would greatly fragment the Protestant churches as they contend with each other, as to what the true interpretation is. Interpreting bible text from a bible which had been greatly altered and corrupted by the early Christian church fathers, will always end up with a wrong interpretation. Martin Luther reformation really began in 1517 CE, when he nailed his Ninety-five Thesis to the door at the Wittenberg Palace Church in Germany. His Thesis were for the most part, against the claims of indulgence, the teachings that one could avoid God's punishment for sins by purchasing indulgences, and the matter of justification by faith. Luther's refusal to retract his writings at the demand of the Pope Leo X and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V resulted in his excommunication and condemnation as an outlaw by the emperor. John Calvin (Jean Cauvin), was an influential French theologian and pastor during the then Protestant Reformation around 1536 CE. He had translated the altered and corrupted Christian Bible into French. As anyone can see, by the time the altered and corrupted Christian Bible was translated into English in 1604 CE, by King James, in which the first so-called "Authorized" King James Version Christian bible rolled off the press in 1611 CE, it had contained all of the tampered and corrupted text in it. As I had stated earlier, that altered and corrupted Christian Bible had given people a wrong idea of Yeshua, the original person that the Christian church had transformed into their man-made God, and thus brainwashing the mind of people for the past nine hundred years, into believing in a phony, Christian, Baal, pagan God, Je-Zeus Christ. Even the so-called "Authorized" King James Version Christian bible had been translated from sources which had long been altered and corrupted. It too had the Roman Catholic apostate dogma of their invented Je-Zeus Christ, being God in their text. They too had not escaped the Roman Catholic church deception. So one has to ask the question, can the Christian bible which had its text greatly altered and tampered with, can be trusted as being the divine inspired "Word of GOD"? Not Likely! Despite this known fact, Protestant preachers would prefer to continue to lie to people, than to admit that the Christian bible that they relie upon and preach from, is not what they have always claim it to be. Their Christian Bible is NOT the infallible “Word of GOD” that was written by the dictates of GOD! The Christian bible has indeed a lot of errors and contradictions in it. Protestant priests and preachers had always denied these things. This is the Protestant "Great Lie" I wanted to Expose. Can Christian priests and pastors be trusted to tell the truth? The answer is a definite, NO. They have proven this fact on many occasions. This is the reason why so many Protestant and Catholic preachers had attacked my comments and claim that I am of the devil. Frankly, that bothers me not at all, given that I am aware where that stupid pagan myth had originally come from. What do bother me, is that good, decent people are being sucked-in by these Christian charlatan priests and preachers, with their tampered, corrupted "Gospel", who worship a phony, man-made Baal pagan God, in the name of Je-Zeus Christ! The Christian God, Je-Zeus Christ, is as phony as is the tooth fairy. Have Protestants a Divine or a human foundation for their faith? I'll leave that up for the reader to decide.
Shechina in the State of Israel
I have been informed that a Rabbi Richman, on his Temple Talk / Israel National Radio program on Tue, Apr 28th. 2009, made many remarks about what I had written, are totally unfounded. I have no doubt he was making reference to my article, "Passover", on my GOD, Religion and the Bible, web page. Rabbi Richman made insinuations that I am like a leper, an outcast, whose sociopath tendencies result in a Divinely-ordained affliction which breaks out in the walls of my house, in my clothing, and on my skin! He goes on to say that I am going around saying, “I am impure, I am impure". I have no such inclination, nor am I going around saying I am a leper, so stay away from me because I am impure. How dare that jackass say that I have sociopathic tendencies! Meaning that I have an antisocial personality disorder. That I have a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others. Deceit and manipulation are considered essential features of this disorder. Deceit and manipulation will be found amoung Orthodox Jews, Christian priests and pastors, more so than in me. Anytime that egghead wants to butt heads with me, and debate about his perverted, pagan infected Babylon Torah, I welcome the challenge. Then we will get at the truth about his Orthodox form of Judaism, and bring out all the paganized traditions they had adopted into their Baal religion. As for who is the one that is being isolated, Rabbi Richman had better take a closer look at his nation of Israel, to see who in fact is being isolated. Regardless of Israel’s miraculous re-rebirth, I can tell you from the outset, there will be no "Shechina" in the State of Israel or any redemption. Not while the Jewish people continue to be bullheaded and headstrong and insist on worshiping their ancient pagan Baal Canaanite/Babylonian God YHWH (Hashem), and maintain their pagan traditions, and refuse to seek the true GOD of Heaven. I am not talking about switching one pagan Baal Canaanite/Babylonian God for another, like the phony Christian man-made pagan God, Je-Zeus Christ and their corrupt, apostate bible! But return to the true GOD of Heaven, who is our Heavenly Father, the Creator of the Universe, and live by His dominance. Rabbi Richman needs to take a good hard look around the nation of Israel since the time GOD had moved to re-establish the Jewish people in the land of Israel after the Jewish Holocaust which was instigated by Christians, and count the many pagan temples and churches that are in the "Holy Land", and tell me that it is pleasing to the true GOD of Heaven! What hypocrisy is found in Orthodox Jews, who are worshiping a pagan God amongst other pagan Gods in the land that is Holy onto the true GOD of Heaven during the past sixty years since the re-establishment of the nation of Israel! Seen's to me that the Orthodox pagan Baal Canaanite/Babylonian God do not mind sharing his throne with other pagan Gods. No need to take my word on this, look around and see what is currently happening in Israel today. I have already revealed what the Jewish people can expect to happen to them, and the nation of Israel. When Israel starts disintegrating around Rabbi Richman and his people, and they pray and cry out to their phony man-made Canaanite/Babylonian God, to save them, which stem from their Jewish Canaanite and Babylonian roots, I will see how Rabbi Richman and his fellow Orthodox Jews react to that situation. Personally, I am glad that I have nothing to do with Israel or the troubles it will be facing in the not too distant future. Rabbi Richman's vain and empty boasting about his "Torah" insights will turn upon himself, that he will lament on the situation he and his fellow Orthodox Jews will find themselves in Israel. The state of Israel will fare no better through the ternoil it will encounter. Think that I am way off base on this prediction? Watch and see!
Catholic Church claims to property on Mt. Zion.
I found an interesting news article while surfing the web that was published on 04/28/09 in Israel, by Hillel Fendel. The article was titled in big bold letters; Catholic Church claims to property on Mt. Zion. According to Hillel Fendel, a Catholic media had reported that a source in a legal office close to the negotiations said that an agreement on the transfer of control of the Last Supper Room, said to be located on Mt. Zion, is in fact close to coming to a final resolution. The source, who is not named, is said to have spoken to a Knesset Member's top aide. Dr. Daisy J. Stern, who has been closely following the matter, reports that government sources confirm that the agreement with the Vatican is ready to be signed. But according to Shmuel Ben-Shmuel, the head of the Religions Department in the Foreign Ministry, says there is no danger of Israel giving away properties. Speaking to Attorney Aviad Visoly, who represents the Diaspora Yeshiva, Ben-Shmuel said that this week's meeting has nothing to do with Mount Zion, adding that the meeting is held annually and will be nothing more than a briefing on the status of the negotiations thus far. He said that Israel's position continues to be one of rejection of the Roman Catholic Church claims to property on Mt. Zion. Despite the denial, Diaspora Yeshiva officials and other concerned citizens are not resting easy. My questions on this article is; What is the purpose to continue to have any discussions on negotiations, if the Religions Department at the Foreign Ministry, says there is no danger of Israel giving away any properties. What is the point for the Roman Catholic Church to continue to have any further talks on acquiring properties on Mt. Zion, if the matter has already been settled by the Foreign Ministry? Is there some shady, double dealing going on that give credence to concerned Israeli citizens who are not resting easy on this matter? Frankly, I think that the Roman Catholic Church, the Vatican, has some gull and cheek to be talking about claiming properties on Mt. Zion, or anywhere else in the land of Israel after all the persecution, suffering and death they had directly and indirectly caused to the Jewish people. If any type of negotiations that needs to be settled, that would be a multi-billion or multi-trillion dollar class-action law suite against the Roman Catholic Church, (the Vatican), and Protestant churches in their involvement which led to the Jewish Holocaust which Christians had perpetuated genocide against the Jewish people in Christianised Europe. Not to even mention the persecution, suffering and death of Jewish people perpetuated by the Roman Catholic (Vatican) and Protestant churches during the centuries leading from the forth century to the twentieth century CE. That could be another multi-billion or multi-trillion dollar class-action law suite against the Roman Catholic (the Vatican), and Protestant churches.
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