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“Theistic Evolutionists” believe God only created the
original matter; and that everything evolved from there
over millions of years.  They say they believe the Bible,
but only to a point...  Because the whole tenor of scripture
contradicts their theory, they describe the Bible as an
"allegory," or a cartoon.  However...

The things of the Spirit of God are preserved perfectly
thoughout scriputure, as it is written, “The eyes of the LORD
preserve knowledge, and he overthroweth the words of the
transgressor.”(Pr 22:12)

Why did God create us?  TO PRAISE HIM!  But the Bible tells us that in the latter days there
would be people who praise the creature more than the creator.  Hmm..

The second book of Ezra(part of the “apocrypha,” which was part of the Bible
which Jesus used and his apostles quoted from.  It’s still part of the Holy Bible
to most Christians who are aware of it) says:

“For the dumb water and without life brought forth living things at the
commandment of God, that all people might praise thy wondrous works.”(2Ezra
6:48)

Who does the evolutionist propose we praise?  Their ape-man fathers, time, and
chance. Etc.

We were created to give thanks to God for giving us life( 1Th 5:18 ), why would
we prefer to praise Darwinists’ anti-God philosophy instead?  Why would we
want to be destroyed along with all the ungrateful ungodly?  Why not live that
we may praise Him forever?  That’s why God created us in the first place.
“Let the heaven and earth praise him, the seas, and every thing that moveth therein.”(Ps
69:34)

“I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works;
and that my soul knoweth right well.”(Ps 139:14)

Creation is self-evident.  This is the ultimate evidence.  No man would ever believe the Empire
State Building could have spontaneously combusted(or through multiple ‘combustions’) into
existence via “natural selection” through sheer time and chance.  Yet this oracle, described by
scripture as the oracle of fools(Ps 14:1), has the audacity to presume the systems of life, which
are infinitely more complex than any skyscraper, were not designed in any way.  The fact that
we are so “fearfully and wonderfully made” was enough for David to KNOW the
praise-worthiness of God.  See  Ps 139:14:  “I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and
wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul KNOWETH right well.”
 

(QUESTION)
Although you profess to accept the Bible as the Word of God, why do you ignore such
Bible texts as: (Ps 33:9) “For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood
fast.”  Doesn’t sound like millions of years, does it!

(QUESTION)
In Genesis, God is described as resting after his creation work: (Ge 2:2) “And on the
seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day
from all his work which he had made.”  Why would God be resting if everything created
itself through time and chance alone?

(QUESTION)
God has no propensity for design?

God created SEEDS.  Seeds are blueprints, or designs, right? "God
created(every living thing in Eden)...whose seed is in itself, upon the
earth."  The word "seed" appears 280 times(254 verses) in every book of
the Bible but two or three.

The Bible says, "He that is born of God cannot sin, for his SEED
remaineth in him and he cannot sin."  Jesus described that seed as the
seed of faith(Lu 17:16).  This faith thing is described as a new plan,
blueprint, or design of it's kind:  (Heb 7:12) "For the priesthood being
changed, there is made of necessity a CHANGE also of the law."  Now the
law itself is changed into a faith thing:  (Ro 14:23) "...for whatsoever
is not of faith is sin."  CHANGE proves CONSIDERATION of design,
right?

The theistic evolutionist says it's blasphemous to suspect God of
consideration and planning.  The Bible says I am fashioned.  Is not
being fashioned into existence the ultimate consideration?  Check it
out: (Ps139:16) "Thine(God's) eyes did see my substance, yet being
unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in
continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."

"(We) in continuance were fashioned"  does that sound like a mindless
magical thing?  Or rather, is it not a thing of consideration and
design!!!

Here's another Divine CoNsIdErAtIoN that reminds me of "aetheistic
evolutionism":  (Ge 6:6) "And it repented the LORD that he had made man
on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."  Since when is "grief"
and "repentance" not a consideration?
 

(theisic evolutionist)
) But since seeds aren't
) "designs", it's kind
) of pointless so far...

(Datone)
You still haven't explained why/how you believe that a blueprint cannot be a design.
Engineers use blueprints to build skyscrapers. Obviously God used blueprints to build
and sustain us; since in fact "in Him we live and move and have our being."(Ac 17:28)

(theistic evolutionist)
) a blueprint doesn't actually
) build the building. DNA is a structure
) capable of synthesizing living
) things.  God does not have
) to figure out how to make DNA,
) and never did.
) There can
) be change without any design whatsoever.

(Datone)
Where is your evidence of this?  Ripples in the sand?  Snowflakes?  Snowflakes are
intricate, infinitely diverse, and formed by forces which can be easily tested and proven.
Your darling intracacies however, are falsely called scientific because they are
unverifiable- imaginary. Propaganda. Sick propaganda that raises the children to think
and act what they think they are-- mere beasts whose meaning of life is to merely survive
by any means and to devour whatever their Godless, faithless hearts desire. The ultimate
childabuse is what you are defending. That's a fact. From childhood, the secular humanist
agenda has successfully endeavored to swollowed us whole. That dragon is chasing it's
own tail. It's own tail hurts yourself. Ya wee wee on you and me too. You can't see past
the crowd to examine the secular humanist dangers that rise on the horizon. If I could be
wrong, I lose nothing. If you're wrong, you risk losing eternal life! Fair game for a
gambling man or woman?

(theistic evolutionist)
) Creation is not a matter
) of design or planning, or consideration.
) God is not limited, nor does he
) have to plan. He simply knows.

(Datone)
First of all God IS arguably limited. For example, "God cannot lie."(Tit 1:2) His name is
"I AM THAT I AM."  Which proves He cannot be named, "I AM NOT.”  That is a limit
too. God "increases."(Col 2:19) God, however is not constrained by your unscriptural
“theistic evolutionist” dogma!  So again, you side-stepping anti-designist, How does a
design/code/blueprint limit God?

(theistic evolutionist)
) I still do not see anything in this
) that would suggest that God is
) limited or needs to "plan"
) or "design". Is this
) the best you can do?

(Datone)
OK, you’re still hungry for Bible knowledge?  Look at Heb 11:10(KJV)-- describes God
as both "builder and maker."  That word "builder" comes from the Greek "technites"
which means "designer." Need more?

(theistic evolutionist)
) In fact, God does not make
) mistakes,

(Datone)
He does however make imperfections and evil: "I form the light, and create darkness: I
make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."(Isa 45:7)
Jesus, like us, was made "in the image of God. Some people think Jesus WAS God. Jesus
is described as learning from his mistakes: "Though (Jesus) was the son, yet he learned
obedience by those things which he suffered."(Heb 5:8)

(theisitc evolutionist)
) nor does He lose His temper

(Datone)
No? I guess you aren't familiar with the story of how he destroyed whole nations and
would have completely destroyed Israel except Moses' pleading for God to remember
mercy, assaged God's "WRATH"

(theistic evolutionist)
)nor does He regret previous actions.

(Datone)
Hello. Anybody there? I presented the data that suggests he did regret. God is described
"repenting" in many books of the Bible. To be precise, God "repented" 32 times.

(theistic evolutionist)
) Remember, He is omnipotent

(Datone)
All powerful doesn't mean He isn't an artist(as he is described in Heb 11:10). He designs
and builds magnificent systems by which He increases joy infinitely and eternally.

(theistic evolutionist)
) and able to see all the consequences
) of His and other actions. If this
) is not true, His promises to us
) are all lies.

(Datone)
You yourself seek limits for God by making Him out to be entirely unlike us. We are
"made in the similitude of God."(James 3:9) If we want to understand some basic things
about God, the mirror holds some astonishing answers. We are "made in the image of
God"!

(theistic evolutionist)
) The Bible speaks figuratively
) here. God could never regret an
) action He takes, because He can
) always know the future consequences
) of that action, and know perfectly
) all the aspects of those cosequences.
) Nor does God grow in wisdom, being
) perfectly wise.

(Datone)
Again, you limit God to your frail understanding of "omnicient" and "omnipotent."
Solomon says "God requires the past." Why? It's his data. The prophet Samuel(1Sa 2:3)
says "The Lord is a God of knowledge." Considering the fact that He "increases"(Col
2:19), there is every evidence that He does learn or build upon the past.
(theistic evolutionist)

(theistic evolutionist)
) To attribute limitations to
) God is blasphemous.

(Datone)
So did the apostle blaspheme when he said, "God cannot lie."? Want to understand
something interesting about God? Watch this.

God is paradoxical:
"I kill and I make alive; I wound and I
heal."(De 32:39)
"The darkness and the light are both alike to
thee."(Ps 139:12)
"God has sent strong delusion that they should
believe a lie."(2Th 2:11) Yet, "God cannot lie."(Tit 1:2) And "God cannot be tempted with
evil."(Jas 1:13)
"God changes not,"(Mal 3:6)yet he increases('increaseth with the increase of
God.'(Col 2:19)

(theistic evolutionist)
) "Design"
) is the mark of a limited creature,
) who must figure things out.

(Datone)
Being an artist implies pleasure. "In the presence of God is fullness of pleasure."(David
the Psalmist) Obviously God enjoys creating; for He is even described as "rejoicing over
us with singing"!(Zep 3:17) God hasn't reached the plateau you prescribe for Him. The
Bible doesn't describe God as so unlike us that He can't design, build, and enjoy the
things He creates. His joy is expressed in all of creation. Indeed we are "fearfully and
wonderfully MADE!"(Ps 139:14)

(theistice evolutionist)
) It's because you can't accept
) that God is essentially different
) from creatures.

(Datone)
Of course, as different as the clay and the sculptor. But which you are ignoring is the fact
that we are also, paradoxically entirely alike. Like I said, we are an image of God. We
like to design and create. So does he. He composes songs. He composes His Word(Jesus
Christ). Thus he conveys his designs.

“The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise
in their own craftiness.”(1Co 3:19)

So then, tell me which one of us is advocating "the wisdom of this world."???

"...and their seed remaineth in them and they cannot (be imperfect)."(1 Jo 3:9)

No information has been added to any DNA since it was created. All changes include a
dillution, drift, or mutation of that original info-- not an increase. Look at dogs. Such a
great diversity of "alleles" that could all be recollected in one dog through reverse
selective breeding.

From childhood, the secular humanist agenda has successfully endeavored to swollow us
whole.  That dragon is chasing it's own tail. It's own tail hurts yourself. Ya wee wee on you and me too. You can't see past the crowd to examine the secular humanist dangers that rise on the horizon.

I've seen it myself. The monkey-man stands up out of pulic school "science" books to
convince the children that they are advanced monkeys-- And "AS A MAN(or teenager)
THINKETH IN HIS HEART, SO IS HE."(Pr 23:7)  That child, having no taste for your
hypocritial(self-evolved) rendition of "morality," stands out in the woods with a rifle to shoot us and our children for the fun of it.

(theistic evolutionist)
)Evolution has nothing at all to do with any of that.

((Datone)
"In the presence of God is fullness of joy and pleasures evermore."(Ps 16:11) That's
because God isn't boring. He is a creative artist, described as "preparing a place for us."
"In my Father's house are many mansions." Do you believe those mansions weren't
designed for us? Will you refuse to occupy any city unless it self-combusts into
existence?

(theistic evolutionist)
) God is outside of time;

(Datone)
Yes and no. Yes, He transcends time and space: 2Ch 6:18 "But will God in very deed
dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain
thee; how much less this house which I have built!"

(De 31:29 places the context "in the latter days) De 32:20 "And God said, I will hide my
face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation,
children in whom is no faith."

See? Right now, God's face is turned away from the faithless, secular-humanist masses
"TO SEE WHAT THERE END SHALL BE."

He is always only as wise as He is! Still, Col 2:19 describes a God that increases.
He eternally abides by the same "seven pillars of wisdom"(Pr 9:1) But he does build a
City of joy, pleasure and beauty that increases for eternity.

(theistic evolutionist)
) "Limitations" and
) "almightiness" are logically
) contradictory.

(Datone)
Perhaps they are self-imposed “limitations” which he enjoys.  Whatever, they are lines of
scripture that you are fighting with here.  You're referring to secular-humanist logic and
wisdom
to package the reality of God. But, "The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it
is
written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."(1Co 3:19)

(theistic evolutionist)
) God will not lie. Because
) He is good. We can count on that.
) But it is by His choice.

(Datone)
No, it says "God CANNOT lie." Fact. Yet, He can deceive: "O Lord, thou hast deceived
me and I was deceived."(Jer 20:7) "God shall send them strong delusion that they should
believe a lie."(2Th 2:11)

(theistic evolutionist)
) Nope. You can't verify superstition,
) but the forces involved in natural
) selection are well known and can
) be statistically examined.

Datone)
Natural selection data has nothing to do with the fact that you cannot demonstrate how
existing DNA can revise itself to produce a higher life form. This is what I keep forking
you with, but it doesnt' cook.

The systems of the body are “irreducably complex.”  They don’t function unless all parts
are simulaneously in place and functional.  This disproves a lengthy evolutionary process.
For example, consider the eye.  Michael Behe(famous microbiologist) describes the
details of what happens for our human eye balls to see images:

"Initially photons interact with 11-cis-retinal molecules, which reconfigure to
trans-retinal in picoseconds. This catalyzes a metamorphosis and behavior modification
in the protein rhodopsin, which is now called metarhodopsin 2, which sticks to
transducin, another protein. Just prior to this union, transducin tightly binds a molecule
called GDP..." and goes on for several more pages. Like Behe says, "Each of the
anatomical steps and structures that Darwin thought were so simple actually involves
staggeringly complicated biochemical processes that cannot be papered over with
rhetoric."
 
Mutations make any "organism" weaker. Never is DNA info added to the
gene pool which facilitates macroevolution

(theistic evolutionist)
) No, that's false. For example,
) we have confirmation of new alleles
) in bacteria.

(Datone)
Yes, but such bacteria with new alleles is weaker bacteria-- easily killed by the original
bacteria.