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Front PageThis ultimate nature-of-christ debate began with Protestants
when I asked this one simple question: Do you
believe Jesus was genuinely human for thirty-three years?
And what was “his gospel”?
(Conventional Christian dogma answers) “Jesus
was both fully man and also fully God himself on earth
for about thirty-three years. The gospel is summed up as:
"All who believe Jesus Himself is our Saviour shall be
saved."”
(Datone) “’Fully man/fully God’
simultaneously? Being God, Jesus could have come
down off of the cross-- that means he committed
suicide? How can you say the train murdered Jesus
if he could have jumped off the tracks? How can
God be ‘smitten of God?’(Is 53:4) How can God be
‘made a curse?’(Ga. 3:13) How can God himself
be ‘made sin?’(2Co 5:21) The previous references
describe Jesus as all of these. But look: ‘God is
love.’(1Jo 4:8) Sin is the opposite of love/God. Sin
is not God, so if Jesus was made sin, he was made
NOT God for us, right?”
So your "gospel" says Jesus was God our Savior
pretending to be a man for thirty-three years?
(Conventional dogma) “It is not necessary for
us to rationalize every aspect of the incarnation. It
was long ago realized to be ungiven information, if
not entirely beyond our comprehension.”
(Datone) “The reality of Christ is not
rational or reasonable? Where in the Bible does it
say, ‘Come let us believe irrational unreasonable
things? In Isaiah 1:18 it says, ‘Come let us reason
together, saith the Lord.’ ‘Produce your cause,
saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons.’(Is
41:21) The apostles reasoned with the people ‘by
the scriptures.’ Samuel said, ‘Stand still that I may
reason with you before the Lord.’(Sa 12:7)
Solomon ‘...searched for the reason of things.’(Ec
7:25) Peter says, ‘Be ready always to give an
answer to every man that asketh you a reason of
the hope that is in you.’”(1Pe 3:15)
“Jesus was ‘Made like unto his brethren in all
things.’(He 2:17) It takes faith to believe he was
truly like us-- not God. Only the faithless believe
Jesus was his own evidence of God. It takes faith to
believe Jesus’ only evidence of God was his faith.
When ‘the Word was made flesh,’(Jo 1:14) that is
when the Word was made not God.”
(Conventional dogma) “John the Revelator
describes Jesus, the Word, as God: ‘In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.’(Jo 1:1)
(Datone) “Jesus’ own self, however, is not
described as ever existing apart from God until Jo
1:14 when ‘The Word was made flesh.’ To
honestly be made flesh means to be made NOT
God; for ‘God is not a man,’(Nu 23:19) and ‘No
man hath seen God at any time.’(Jo 1:18)
“God’s Word was also made planet earth, ‘For God
spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it
stood fast.’(Psalm 33:9) The earth is not God of
itself. God spoke and there was light, but the sun is
not God himself. God spoke and there were fish, but
a fish is not God of itself.
“When God made man in his own image, he
expressed himself in concrete form. In that sense,
God’s Word was made flesh when God spoke Adam
into existence. Adam, as an image of God, was in
that ‘image’ sense, also God incarnate. We also are
‘made in the similitude of God.’(Ja 3:9) Thus, we
also are, in that sense, God incarnate! Yet, we are
never God of our own self.
“Jesus said he has no power or glory-- ever, of his
own self: ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’(Jo
5:30) And ‘Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and
today, and forever.’(Heb 13:8) He cried, ‘Father,
glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory I
had with thee before the world was.’(Jo 17:5) As a
man, the Word was without any self-possessed
power/ glory because he had been “made flesh”/NOT
GOD. Flesh is not spirit and not God.
“Ro 8:28 indicates Jesus trusted that every one of his
deeds and words was working together for good.
He declared his confidence that everything he did
controlled by God. If he was already God of himself
he could not have lived by such faith. ‘For we are
saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not
hope.’(Ro 8:24) The gospel of Jesus Christ is
defined as ‘The just shall live by faith.’(Ro 1:15-17)
This gospel which saves us from our sins is
something Jesus lived. He taught it by living it.”
(Conventional dogma) “With all of this faith
talk, you leave out the justice, judgment, and
right-doing through Jesus Christ.”
(Datone) “Right doing? The only thing we
can do right is to die to our own self-- as ‘It is God
that worketh in you both to will and to do of his
good pleasure.’(Ph’p 2:13) Right doing through
Christ means to exercise the gospel of the faith of
Christ as Jesus did. This ‘gospel’ is defined as the
gospel of faith(see Ro 1:16,17)
“Judgment? What about ‘Vengeance is mine saith
the Lord’(Ro 12:19) But, ‘...to execute vengeance
upon the heathen and punishments upon the
people, this honor have all his saints.’(Ps 149:7-9)
We are to be ‘...set down with (Christ and God) in
(his/their) throne.’(Re 3:21) ‘The Lord cometh
with ten thousands of his saints to execute
judgment.’(Ju 14,15)”
(Conventional dogma) “So what is it about me
that you suppose God would punish me for?’
(Datone) “For your lack of faith. Anyone
who rejects the strictly human nature of Christ
rejects the gospel of faith. De 32 describes your lack
of faith as your curse: ‘And the Lord said, I will
hide my face from them, I will see what their end
shall be: for they are a very superficial
generation, children in whom is NO faith.’(De
32:20) Because you contend Jesus was God, you
contend that he did not live by hope in God. This
sentiment is anti-faith. It is antichrist.. Jesus taught
the apostles the gospel of faith as he lived it: ‘Not by
works of righteousness which we have done, but by
God’s mercy are we inclined to repent and to be
washed and regenerated; as he sheds an increase
of the Holy Ghost upon us, thus we may be careful
to maintain good works, as always, it is God that
works in us, both to will and to do of his good
pleasure.’”(Ph’p 2:13 &Tit 3:5-8)”
(Conventional dogma) “You are twisting the
scriptures! I can’t put a finger on it, but you are a
heretic! Look. Jesus wanted everyone to know he
was God, therefore he referred to himself by God’s
very name when he said, ‘Before Abraham was I
AM.’(Jo 8:58)”
(Datone) “Jesus didn’t say anything that we
can’t say as accurately. All of God’s children,
including Abraham, existed in God before the world
was created: ‘God chose us in Christ before the
foundation of the world, that we should be holy
and without blame...having predestined us.’(Eph
1:4,5) We are ‘vessels of mercy, which God
prepared unto glory before the world.’(Ro 9:23)
‘In thy book(Christ) all my members were written,
which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet
there was none of them.’(Ps 139:16)
“In eternity, God is-- ‘God shall be all in all.’(1Co
15:28) Now, is it not accurate for any child of God
to declare, like Jesus did, ‘When time shall be no
more, I AM!’ Well? If God shall be all in all, then
all shall be God-- including the saints. But only a
severe twist of truth can suggest we will ever be God
of our own self.”
(Conventional dogma) “How do you suppose
the Word, or Christ, who “is the same yesterday,
today, and forever,”(He 13:8) could be God(Jo
1:1), and yet be not God?”
(Datone) “Excellent question. Let’s consider
this fundamental paradox by looking in the mirror.
Bill looks in the mirror. The reflection is with Bill
and the reflection is Bill. Yet, when the mirror is
broken, Bill is not affected, because the mirror is not
actually Bill of it’s own self. Jesus, God’s Word,
was like a letter, a reflection, or a video tape
recording which God made of himself and sent to us.
If I send my mother a tape recording of myself, she
may exclaim, ‘That’s my boy!’ Yet, the tape is not
anything of itself-- just like the mirror itself is not
Bill.
God poured all of his fullness-- fullness which we
are to contain,(Eph 3:19) into Jesus. Now, if we will
accept his gospel of faith, we too may be filled with
all the fullness of God as well! Soon ‘God shall be
all in all.’(1Co 15:28) God shall be us, thus making
us God-- but no created being shall ever be God of
itself.
(Conventional dogma) “You mean to suggest
that Jesus was not God of himself? You brain-dead
heretic. You must be the antichrist!”
(Datone) “You’re not acknowledging the
reasonableness of previous assertions.
Either Jesus was a man or he was not a man. For
‘God is not a man.’(Nu 23:19) And ‘No man has
seen God at any time.’”(Jo 1:18)
(Conventional dogma) “You’re taking those
texts out of context. The verse that says ‘God is not
a man’ is referring to a time long before Jesus was
born. The verses that say ‘No man has seen God at
any time,’ are referring to God the Father, not God
the Son.”
(Datone) “’God is a spirit.’(Jo 4:24) and
‘He changes not.’(Mal 3:6) ‘A spirit hath not flesh
and bones as ye see me(Jesus) have.’(Lu 24:39)
Jesus was not God, for God is a spirit; but Jesus was
flesh and bone.
“There are not two or three Gods. ‘There is none
other God but one.’(1Co 8:4) ‘I am the Lord that
spreadeth abroad the earth by myself... and beside
me there is no God.”(Is 44:6,24) ‘There is one
Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father
of all.’(Eph 4:4-6 ‘...the Son also himself (is)
subject unto him...that God may be all in all.’(1Co
15:28) God as all in all is a God of many individual
members in one. The ‘trinity’ doctrine is also
anti-scriptural for this reason.
“Look at it! The mainstream doctrine that says
Jesus was God of himself, is defined as the ultimate
antichrist: ‘Every spirit that confesses not that
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:
and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have
heard that it should come; and even now already
is it in the world.”(1Jo 4:3)
(Conventional dogma) “We do confess that
Christ was a man. He was fully man, but he was
also, simultaneously, fully God.”
(Datone) “This is a contradiction-- a forked
tongue, you see, for ‘God is not a man.’(Nu 23:19)
and ‘God changes not.’(Mal 3:6) ‘God is a
spirit.’(Jo 4:24) but ‘A spirit hath not flesh and
bones.’(Lu 24:39) As long as ‘The scripture
cannot be broken,’(Jo 10:35) only a forked tongue
can say Jesus was both a real man and yet
simultaneously God of himself.”
(Conventional dogma) “When Jesus said he
was not a spirit, he was not referring to God, he was
referring to ghosts/phantoms.”
(Datone) “’God is a spirit(PNEUMA).’
(Jo 4:24) The same Greek word, ‘PNEUMA’ is
used in Luke 24:39 where Jesus said, ‘A spirit hath
not flesh and bones as ye see me have.’ In only
one incident in the KJV, is the word ‘spirit’
translated from the Greek to refer to ghosts or
phantoms of dead people-- when Jesus walked on
water(see M’t 14:26). Pneuma is pneuma, not flesh.
Flesh is not pneuma. God is pneuma. Pneuma is
NOT MAN.”
(Conventional dogma) “Jesus, the Word, is
described as our creator, so he obviously was God.”
(Datone) “’God created all things by
Christ Jesus.’(Eph 3:9) If I paint a picture by
brush, who creates the picture, me or the brush?
Likewise, the miracles that Jesus did; ‘These were
signs and wonders that God did by Christ
Jesus.’(Ac 2:22) God created by him(his Word)
even as the artist paints by brush. God’s creative
tool is his Word-- like the brush is the artist’s
creative tool.”
(Conventional dogma) “Jesus was described as
‘...that Holy thing which shall be born of
thee...’(Lu 1:35) Jesus was born without any
tendencies or natural characteristics contrary to the
Word. ‘For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the
Godhead bodily.’(Ro 1:20) The fullness of God
could not have dwelt in a creature so base as you or
I.”
(Datone) Misinformed are we? The fullness
of God can dwell in us-- as it is written: ‘...that
ye(the children of God) might be filled with all the
fullness of God.’(Eph 3:19) Obviously we can
contain the fullness of God without being in and of
our own selves God. God also filled Moses, Elijah,
Samson, etc., by their faith-- even as he also filled
Jesus.
“As for that ‘...Holy thing...’ Jesus was/is not the
only ‘blessed’ or ‘holy thing’ to be born of God. A
holy miracle baby is not automatically divine of it’s
own self. How about Samuel? Isaac? John the
Baptist? How about the barren mother that Elijah
prayed for-- and then raised that miracle baby from
the dead? These are not proofs of intrinsic
self-divinity, they are the results of faith.
“Furthermore for that ‘...Holy thing...’
Moses was proven holy: ‘...it shall be that the man
whom the Lord doth choose, he shall be holy.’(Nu
16:7,8) This is the story for all saints. Anyone who
separates himself unto the Lord is holy: (See Nu
6:5-8.) Like Jesus, we too must be ‘born of the
Spirit.’ But, being born of the Spirit doesn’t make
us or our genes divine of our own selves.
“You say, ‘Jesus was born without any tendencies or
natural characteristics contrary to the Word.’ So
let’s look and see what tendencies and characteristics
the Word prescribes for Jesus who was “in all things
made like unto his brethren.’(He 2:17) So What
does the Word say we are like?
‘We are as an unclean thing; all our
righteousnesses are as filthy rags.’(Is 64:6) The
natural human ‘heart is deceitful above all things
and desperately wicked.’(Je 17:9) ‘There is not a
just man on earth that doeth good and sinneth
not.’(Ec 7:20)
“Jesus was, ‘like unto his brethren in all things.’
He ‘was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did his
mother conceive him.’(Ps 51:5) His mother, like
us, was of her own self, full of evil, for ‘we are all
as an unclean thing.’(Is 64:6) ‘One cannot bring a
clean thing out of an unclean.’(Job 14:4) Like us,
‘...though (Jesus) was a son, yet he was made
perfect by those things which he suffered.’”(He
2:10)
(Conventional dogma) “You blaspheme! You
apply verses that can’t be applied! Jesus was
sinless! He was ‘...in all points tempted like as we
are, yet without sin.’(He 4:15)”
(Datone) “Yes, but Jesus was concluded
sinless by his faith-- the same way Jacob and all
spiritual Israel(which includes all ‘saints’) are
concluded sinless: ‘The Lord hath not beheld iniquity
in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel.”
(Nu23:21) Jesus was concluded ‘without sin’ by his
faith, not by lawful deeds; you see, ‘By the deeds of
the law shall no flesh be justified.’(Ro 3:20) Jesus
taught the paradox of sinlessness by faith. Consider
a man, full of sin, yet, by faith without sin-- ‘It is no
longer I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.’(Ro
7:17) For those who live by such faith, there is a
new definition of sin: ‘Whatsoever is not of faith is
sin.’(Ro 14:23) His faith rendered Jesus sinless. By
faith Jesus abided in our God. Thus God established
Jesus’ thoughts and directed his steps.
As described above, there exists in human nature the
strong, innate propensities to the faults of the flesh.
To say Jesus had not this nature is to say he came
not in the flesh. To say Jesus Christ came not in the
flesh is the definition of the ultimate antichrist.(see
1Jo 4:3)”
(Conventional dogma) “You cannot white wash
willful disobedience with faith or grace.”
(Datone) “The above statement is a
contradiction. Willful disobedience proves the
absence of faith. Faith is a reborn will which we
confess as ‘not my own will, but the will of my
Father in heaven.’(Jo 5:30) This surrender of our
own will makes willful disobedience impossible.
We no longer condemn ourselves for anything.
Instead, we abide securely trusting that ‘It is God
that worketh in you both to will and to do of his
good pleasure.’(Ph’p 2:13) As that seed of faith,
from God, remains within us, we cannot sin:
‘Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is born of God.’(1Jo 3:9)
“We, the predestined members of the Lord’s Christ,
may fall, but we are not ever convicted: ‘The steps
of a good man are ordered by the Lord... Though
he fall, he shall not be utterly cast
down(convicted): for the Lord upholdeth him with
his hand.’(Ps 37:23,24) ‘Blessed is the man to
whom the Lord will not impute sin.’(Ro 4:8)”
(Conventional dogma) “It’s amazing how you
twist the scriptures to continually assert that Jesus
was not God. There are so many things you ignore,
which prove Jesus was God himself.”
(Datone) “Like?”
(Conventional dogma) “Unlike us, Jesus was
born of a virgin. Only God can be born of a virgin--
especially when ‘...that which is conceived in her is
of the Holy Ghost.’”(M’t 1:20)
(Datone) “As I am about to demonstrate,
everything about Jesus, as he is our
‘forerunner,’(He 6:20) is a sign or prophecy which
describes all of the children of God-- including their
'virgin' birth, conception by the Spirit, born in Bethlehem, etc.
‘The Lord himself shall give you a sign(prophecy); Behold, a
virgin shall conceive, and bear a son...’(Is 7:14)
Consider this:
Born of a virgin
The spiritual Jerusalem[‘Jerusalem, coming down from God
out
of heaven,’(Re 21:2), also called ‘Zion, the
perfection of beauty,’(Ps 50:2)] is our virgin
mother: ‘Jerusalem is the mother of us all.’(Ga
4:26) This virgin mother of all prophecy delivers
twice. First, before she travailed, she was delivered
of one man child. Secondly, as soon as she does
travail, she brings forth many. Look: ‘Before she
travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came,
she was delivered of a man child(Jesus)...as soon
as Zion travailed, she brought forth her
children(many).’(Is 66:7-11)
Born of the Holy Ghost
‘We are born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by the Word of God.’(1Pe 1:23) ‘We
are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of God.’(Jo 1:12,13)
Jesus did not have Holy Spirit genes either, for a
spirit has no genes of flesh-- ‘a spirit hath not flesh
and bones.’(Lu 24:39) Flesh and spirit are
opposites; ‘For the spirit and the flesh are contrary
the one to the other.’(Ga 5:17) The flesh, or genes
of Jesus did not reveal anything special about Jesus:
‘Flesh and blood hath not revealed the Christ unto
thee, but my Father which is in heaven.’(M’t 16:17)
Jesus came here to teach people with imperfect gene
pools how to ‘be holy and without blame.’(Eph 1:4)
He didn’t come to prove a person with a perfect
gene pool could walk with God by faith. He came
here as one of us to show us how a human can
transcend their own human animal self, by faith.
Like Jesus said, ‘Father glorify thou me with
thine own self, with the glory I had with thee
before the world.’(Jo 17:5) We should also pray
that same prayer-- for we also were in Christ before
the world was.(See Eph 1:4,5, Ro 9:23, and Ps
139:16)
How are we born in Bethlehem?
Born in Bethlehem
Note numerous “goings forth” of this prophecy:
“But thou, Bethlehem, though thou be little among the thousands
of Judah, yet
out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
whose goings
forth have been from of old, from everlasting. But then he
will give up those
goings forth until the time that she which travails hath brought
forth: then the
remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.”(Mic
5:2,3)
A prophecy “to this day”--
“Rachel died and was buried in Bethlehem, and Jacob set a pillar
upon her
grave: that is the pillar(prophecy) of Rachel’s grave unto this
day.”(Ge 35:19,20)
What is the prophecy?
The prophecy:
“Thus saith the Lord; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and
bitter
weeping; Rachel weeping for her children refused to be comforted
for her
children, because they were not. Thus saith the Lord; Refrain
thy voice from
weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded,
and they(her children) shall come again from the land
of the enemy.”(Je 31:15,16)
The prophecy was fulfilled when the Word was yet immature and unquickened(an infant) in the flesh:
“Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under... thus was fulfilled that, In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.”(M’t 2:16-18)
Once again the prophecy was/is fulfilled as the “little” children of Israel are similarly non-existent in type:
“A strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.”(Re 5:1-4)
Alas. “The ultimate antichrist made war with the saints, and overcame them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations.”(Re 13:7)
(Conventional dogma) “Jesus had to be God;
lest how could it be said, ‘...he shall save his people
from their sins...and they shall call his name
Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with
us.’(M’t 1:20-23) Here Jesus is described as our
Saviour, he forgives sins, and his name refers to
God.”
(Datone) “Three things you just mentioned.
1. Jesus is Saviour. 2. Jesus forgives sins.
3. He is
called by a name of God.
“#1(Jesus is Savior): Do you believe Jesus is Saviour?
Remember what Jesus said about believing in him? ‘He
that believeth in me believeth not in me, but in him that
sent me.’(Jo 12:44) God alone is our Saviour: ‘I,
even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no
saviour.’(Is 43:11) Of himself, Jesus is nothing(Jo
5:30). By faith(see Ro 1), he is Saviour to all that
will emulate his faith. To believe on him is to
believe on God-- not because he is God of himself,
but because of his faith.
Again...
God poured all of his fullness-- fullness which we
are to contain,(Eph 3:19) into Jesus. Now, if we will
accept his gospel of faith, we too may be filled with
all the fullness of God as well! Soon ‘God shall be
all in all.’(1Co 15:28) God shall be us, thus making
us God-- but no created being shall ever be God of
itself.
“#2(Jesus forgives sins): Jesus forgave sin by his faith.
Now we may
forgive sins by our faith: ‘Whose soever sins ye
remit(forgive), they are remitted unto them; and
whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.’(Jo
20:23) If we forgive another by our faith, that does
not indicate we are God himself!
“#3(Jesus equated with God). Jesus is not the
only one called by a name that refers to God.
Every chosen child of God receives
the same new name of ‘God.’ ‘Him that
overcometh... I will write upon him the name of
my God, and the name of the city of my God...and I
will write upon him my new name.’(Re 3:12)
‘Having their Father’s name written in their
foreheads.’(See Re 14:1) Just because Jesus’ name,
or our name refers to God, that doesn’t indicate we
are God of our own created self.
By the way, Jesus Christ himself is specifically
referred to as a “creature.” See Col 1:15. Jesus,
a created being!
(Conventional dogma) ACTS 20:28 says GOD
bought us with "His own blood" Now, if you contend
that we add the text "JESUS" by your authority to this
inspired passage, then we have a problem.
(Datone) First of all, if any one of us, including Jesus,
have any authority, it is because God gives it to us. For
example, Jesus has been given power of life-- he did not
have this power of himself but by his Father's command:
Joh 10:18 "No man taketh it(my life) from me, but I lay it
down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have
power to take it again. This commandment have I received
of my Father." You believe in Jesus? Well, Jesus said it is
NOT himself that you believe in!! Joh 12:44 " Jesus cried
and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me,
but on him that sent me."
Second, I would indeed notice who is the subject of the
above verse: "the church of God" is the subject. "of God"
is a prepositional phrase, not the subject. Jesus Christ,
as the cornerstone, is in effect, all the church of God--
but we are the "members" of that church; and we are
the members of his body(see Eph 5:30) We die to
ourselves in Jesus and are also raised up with him. We
drink his blood; and we are in him as he is in us.(Joh 6:56)
God himself cannot shed blood; for "God is a spirit"(Joh 4:24)
and "a spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see
me(Jesus) have."(Lu 24:39)
(Conventional dogma) “The apostle Thomas
addressed Jesus as Lord and God: “And Thomas
answered and said unto him, ‘My Lord and my
God.’(Jo 20:28)”
(Datone) ”Again, you ignore what Jesus said
about those who believe in him. He said, ‘He that
believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him
that sent me.’(Jo 12:44) Thomas belief in Jesus
had nothing to do with Jesus’ own created self being
anything good. It was all about the Almighty God
who created and sent him. Like Jesus said, ‘There is
none good but one, that is God.’(Lu 18:19)”
(Conventional dogma) "Jesus Christ is described
as 'divine'.
(Datone) "That divinity is described as ours
too! '...by the precious promises: that by these ye might
be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the
corruption that is in the world through lust.'(2Pe 1:4)"
(Conventional dogma) "Jesus was sinless."
(Datone) "Yes, as we also are concluded sinless:
'Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is
born of God.'(1Jo 3:9)
Consider the Two Ways of Sinless. The first is obsolete
but cherished by the mainstream dogmas. The second
way is the way of Christ and the saints.
#1: Conventional dogma still clings to the old, obsolete way
to sinlessness. Their world believes Jesus was accounted
sinless insomuch and because he, unlike us, was not subject
to the corruption that is in the world through lust. They
believe he, unlike us, was conceived of the Holy Ghost
and born of a virgin(but we too are born in Bethlehem,
born of a virgin, and conceived of the Holy Ghost--
here is that explanation again).
Most orthodox "Christians" believe Jesus had none of our
propensities to sin[Sin, here, is defined as a law of letters--
the decalogue; "Sin is the transgression of
the law."(1Jo 3:4)] Bottom line: Their Jesus was unlike
us.
But this is unacceptable; for it is written: "Wherefore
in all
things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren."(Heb 2:17)
#2: Like Jesus, the saints will be accounted sinless-- not
because they were always perfect(Note- Jesus was not always
perfect either: "Though he were a Son, yet learned he
obedience by the things which he suffered"(Heb 5:8), but
because they are not convicted of any sin-- EVER. How
can this be? The accuser(the devil) does not prevail with
the
Judge. God and Christ do not condemn us, so if our conscience,
by our faith, does not condemn us, then we are "blessed"
and concluded sinless: "Blessed is he that condemneth
not himself in that thing which he alloweth."(Ro 14:22)
"Sin" here is defined as, "Whatsoever is not of faith is
sin."(Ro 14:23) This new definition of sin observes a
change also of the law that came by the change in the
priesthood. This law is not of letters, it is "the law of
faith."(Ro 3:27)
(Conventional dogma) “Look at you. You
stand alone with your belief. Look at all the
millions that believe as I. Are you going to tell me
so many good people can all be deceived?”
(Datone) “Many people are certain so many
‘good’ people could not all be deceived. Meanwhile,
‘We ourselves were sometime foolish, disobedient,
deceived.’Tit 3:3) ‘So foolish was I, and ignorant:
I was as a beast before thee.’(Ps 73:22) ‘Thou
hast deceived me O Lord, and I was deceived.’(Je
20:7)”
In the days of Noah, did the countless majority save
themselves merely because they were many? Noah
didn’t observe the mainstream wisdom. Once again
the mainstream mud of human wisdom clogs the
eyes and ears of the masses. ‘As it was in the days
of Noah, so shall it be in the day of the coming of
the Son of man.’(Lu 17:26)”
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