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Social and Political Oppression of women... Will it Ever End?
Tathagat
10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM
appa DeepO bhava
Feminist Ethics In recent years feminist thinkers have challenged traditional models of thinking in most academic disciplines. Feminists argue that conventional paradigms are male-oriented insofar as they are devised by men and are dominated by a male emphasis on systems of inflexible rules. Further, these paradigms are often self-serving for men and subversive to the interests of women. The term "feminist ethics" refers to a wide group feminist-related moral issues. One such issue involves the social and political oppression of women as has occurred during much of human history. Male philosophers have often argued that women are subordinate to men intellectually, socially, and even morally. For example, in Book 5 of Émile (1762), Jean Jacques Rousseau (1712-1778), argued that women serve mainly a supportive function in the lives of men and, accordingly, the education of women should reflect that function:
A woman's education must therefore be planned in relation to man. To be pleasing in his sight, to win his respect and love, to train him in childhood, to tend him in manhood, to counsel and console, to make his life pleasant and happy, these are the duties of woman for all time, and this is what she should be taught while she is young. The further we depart from this principle, the further we shall be from our goal, and all our precepts will fail to secure her happiness or our own. [Émile, (London, 1911) p. 393]
Although views like Rousseau's are largely rejected today even by men, [or is it?] feminists point out that women continue to be oppressed as seen in the fact that men still occupy the top positions in politics, business, and finance. The goal of feminist ethics, on this view, is to create a plan or ideology that will end the social and political oppression of women.
In her landmark book A Vindication of the Rights of Woman (1792), British political philosopher Mary Wollstonecraft (1759-1797) attacks traditional male preconceptions of the nature and social role of women. Reason, she argues, "loudly demands justice for one-half of the human race." According to Wollstonecraft, male writers such as Rousseau imply that women are incapable of acquiring true moral virtue since women are intellectually inferior to men. Wollstonecraft concedes that women commonly portray intellectual inferiority since they are educated from childhood to be timid slaves, which supposedly make them more alluring for men. The solution, for Wollstonecraft, is to educate women to develop their rational abilities. Since the development of moral virtue is a function of reason, then, as rational beings, women can fully participate in moral virtue. [...last woman allowed in the brahma charcha... or is it church aa... ha ha... was Gaargy... a college named after her in Delhii... Gaargii came calling on her father... participating in the there... the morons were discussing the earth's resting business... and the tortoise it was resting on with consensus... and she asked if the logic behind resting business is correct than the tortoise should be resting on somethiing 2... after much thought and brain tease it was elephant... yes elephant is fookin big enuff indeed... and Gaargii being a woman wouldn't even stopped at that... but the next thing they all agreeed on is that... that she is raising impossible questions... atee prashna'... and since then poor women not allowed in the 'brahma church_aa'...
Tathagat 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 1 of 62 )
appa DeepO bhava Good Clean Hindu Ethics : a mass campaign 9i bought that set 4 twenty rupees and laughed me head off... what one expects of gobar chhaps... :), lol... ]—Rashtriya jagran abhiyan—to dispel commonly held notions. It is not fascist, communal, anti-woman; its heartbeats for the Dalits; it even loves the environment... /biblio-india.com
Women In Action covers a broad range of issues affecting women globally, but focusing on the particular needs and concerns of women in the Global South, and forwarding a progressive perspective tempered by the experiences of the thirld world women's movements.
CASTE DISCRIMINATION: A GLOBAL CONCERN /A Report by Human Rights Watch for the United Nations World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance. Durban, South Africa, September 2001.
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every 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 2 of 62 )
Once upon a time there was a prophet, err, that moron claimed himself to be a prophet. The brainwashed people believed him. He had a prophetic harem and many concubines in it. Once it happened , his child wife came with another man !! He was very angry and very envious of the man. He could not sleep for many days. Alredy he had made his harem a no-entry zone for all other man. Still they could see his wives and concubines. How could he prevent it , he thought day and night. Then he invented a new kind of dress for all the women, ah , what a genius . That dress will cover the bodies of women from head to toe. He made it compulsory for all the women to wear that dress only , any women not obeying would be stoned to death. The new fashion served like a prison for all women. Idiot belivers with their head full of shit is continueing imprisoning the women still now.
How women are treated in islamic society As told by a Muslim woman Ibn Araq says Islam is anti women. Ibn Warraq Even the word "haram" is derived from "harem". That means women are "haram" and the believers always tend to put them in "harem". Haram is harem !! " As they put high importance on religious education , children go brain-washed very early. Girl child learns they are inferior to men and men has a right to beat them. The boys got the idea it is God's will that women are to be treated as some properties , precisely as land for cultivations , you sow and you reap. Impact of religious education. More on women's suffering . Don't apologise !
Tathagat ,try to learn something about yourselves. Ridiculing others is ok. But you will only be shameless not to accept your own "virtues".
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 4 of 62 )
every, this is the way these pseudo secular shit heads are. They operate on the basis of certain exalted philosophies like:
1.our ancestors were uncivilized pimps
2.our culture is a gutter culture
3.whatever good in this country is due to foreigners (including the Vedas !!!)
4.hinduism is a bunch of satanic rituals
5.christianity and islam are the only civilised religions
6.christianity and islam are the only religions that treat women equally (never mind if Bible says that woman was created out of an extra rib of man or the Quran says that you can have 4 wives and a husband can beat his wife)
7.hinduism burns women in the name of dowry deaths (never mind the domestic killing and violence in USA and arab countries)
8.hinduism is led by caste system (never mind that existing in christian countries in the name of capitalism and in the islamic countries in the name of feudalism)
9.crap, blah, yakeyyyy
Now, you know the stuff these morons are made of?
sinbad 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 5 of 62 )
Everyji, Vikramji,
Do you guys know that when Alladin Khilji invested Chitor, the beautiful Queen Padmini commited JOHAR or burned herself alive. Thus the LUST of the BARBARIAN provided solid motivation for the unfortunate practice of SATI.The bastards on this MB will bring the issue of SATI up so I am cautioning you guys.
But much, much more happened during this battle, . The only survivor of eight brothers and the last son of Rana Laxman Dev who also sacrificed his life in the Kesriya(fight unto death wearing saffron tunics) escaped and disappeared. Kunwar Ajay Singh vanished into the wilderness and then 96 loyal families followed with their Rajput retinues. Where did Ajay Singh go? What happened to the Surya Vanshi Dynasty?Any answers?
sinbad 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 6 of 62 )
Vikramji,
Pimps, Gutter culture! are you talking about our most secular minorities?
So the ritual bath given to the newborn is a Satanic custom, but its blatant copy job, the baptism of the Christians,is a token of high civilazation, correct?
I and many others often take the name of Sita Maata, who was a woman, thus we are a bunch who treat women like chattels, correct?
We invented Secularism 5000 years before Britain and America thus we are very primitive, correct?
15 dowry deaths in a year compare very unfavorably with 25,000 murders in the US every year, correct?
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 7 of 62 )
sinbad,
I was briefing every about the glorious philosophies on which the fucking marxist boobies operate in our country.
Christianity and islam that have together wiped out various civilisations and continents in-toto by their crusades and jihads are today the pall bearers of modern civilisation and hinduism is an uncivilized invention of the aryan brahmins (aka north indians).
And we have to accept it or else.....
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 8 of 62 )
"15 dowry deaths in a year compare very unfavorably with 25,000 murders in the US every year, correct?"
Accepted that you are a fool dying for some recognition and acceptance. But I would implore you to restrict your lies and concoctions to the religious debate (As anyway there is not much you can do about Islam, Christianity and Buddhism - the world religions) But keep your provincial mind away from real tragedies like dowry deaths. If you can quote a study that says that only 15 dowry deaths happen in India then I will be forever your humble servant. But if not, do apologise for this canard.
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sinbad 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 9 of 62 )
Gandalf Khan,
You are too stupid to realize that Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism just as Sikhism and Jainism are.
If there were more dowry deaths you guys would have ensured that the whole world heard about it.
Tell me if Arundhat's mother in law poured kerosene on her and ignited, would it be a case of non-culpable self-defence.Would George Bush honor the old lady for her anti-Talibani activity.I am sure you pigs will call this a dowery death.
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 10 of 62 )
gandalf the child rapist:
"As anyway there is not much you can do about Islam, Christianity and Buddhism - the world religions"
You fucking incestuous bastard - now you are onto your christian missionary activity of separating buddhism from hinduism and including it with Islam (when this middle east cult is the one that wiped out buddhism) !!!!!
Even creatures have a depth below which they just cannot go. How low can YOU get, you necrophilic bastard?
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 11 of 62 )
"You are too stupid to realize that Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism just as Sikhism and Jainism are."
Just as Human Beings are offshoots of monkeys.!! only diff being the rest of the world evolves but you still worship monkeys! Heheheheh.
Sorry, I could not resist that!
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 12 of 62 )
Tathagat: did you read that there are 619 women to 1000 men in Harayana?
I found it appaling and scary.. this would be one of the worst figures in the world.
Its really high time thet some regions of this country understand that they should have no truck with backward evil societies.
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 13 of 62 )
"only diff being the rest of the world evolves but you still worship monkeys!"
I guess worshipping monkeys is a better act than worshipping priests who rape children.
And first you need to evolve into a creature, then a monkey, then a human being.......Oooo! Light years to go boy!
Clean up your toilet (ooops! church) before you talk about others'.
every 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 14 of 62 )
Gandalf you know it very well your prophet paedophile was most similar to a monnkey ! "Tathagat: did you read that there are 619 women to 1000 men in Harayana?" Haahhaahaha , in Islamic world ?? There must be at lest 4000 women to 1000 men !!! Wives are in high demand . Bearded fools cannot wait girl to be 18 , poor Aisha !! Even in heaven at least 50 women to each ordinray man , prophets might be having a big harems . What a progressive paradise !!!!! No wonders gandalf's is the society of breeding machines. Gandalf you are born thieves. Even your "holy" book is full of borrowings from Talmud and Bible. You shameless idiots still call it divine .....
every 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 15 of 62 )
vikram, we should ignore monkeys like gandalf. Their heart is in the desert of Arabia. Let him shout. It is sad he was not born as an Arab dog. Let us offer him our genuine sympathies.
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 16 of 62 )
Thanks for your sympathies, Vickram, folly you cohorts advice as Youare already on my ignore list
have a nice weekend.
BTW, I care a damn about Arabia.. what is your take on harayana?
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 17 of 62 )
"Haahhaahaha , in Islamic world ?? There must be at lest 4000 women to 1000 men !!! "
This is interesting and shows how your testicular pea nestling between your crusted ears and topped with a smelly tuft is really not working. For there to be 1:4 ration favouring women would mean that the society is extremely forward (only forward societies and show positive sex rations) leaving out aberrent small cases where war has wiped out men.
Infant murder is now been excused because of a pathological hatred of Islam.. Hmmmmm ..
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 18 of 62 )
I would suggest vatican.
your pedophilic pope is now urging his followers to produce more babies!!!!! The fellow has realised that the days of proselytising are over. Also, the holy priests are running out of kids to hump.
No souls to be harvest - No kids to hump - what a tragedy for the inquisitors! It's apocalypse now !!!
You got a future there. Better leave by the next Alitalia flight. You don't need to pay for the ticket - a cock sucking job for the pope will do!
sinbad 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 19 of 62 )
It is better to worship a divine monkey rather than owe allegiance to a child molesting senile Pope who perhaps was a party to murdering an earlier Pope!!!
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indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 22 of 62 )
Koran and Bible both want female to be wrapped completely. Burka for muslim and penguine type dress for christian (just the way nun dress up). Books also talk about female to have long hair. It recommends also to shave women head if she keeps her hair short. Women in western go to church but care a little what Bible says. Pastor avoids such reference as his bread and butter is coming from their donation.
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 23 of 62 )
In Christian minded state e.g.Alabama in US, hardly there is any women who has not been thrashed properly. MOst of the women have scars in their face or wear artificial dentures. Domestic violence is so rampant that COPS usually park their car in almost all colonies. In Muslim world, they just love women, sheep, men etc etc. Do you know it is legal to screw sheep in Arabic country.? Being Circumcised, irritation is so constant that anything with a hole makes their life bit easier.
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 24 of 62 )
Facts of Arabia:
"In Lebanon, men are legally allowed to have sex with animals, but the animals must be female. Having sexual relations with a male animal is punishable by death."
You see they don't permit homosexuality with animals !!!
But again the same lebanese law stipulates that a woman must be executed for fornicating with any animal—wild or domesticated !!!
Where is equality around here???
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 25 of 62 )
Facts of Arabia (part 2):
"The law in Doha, Qatar, requires that if a naked Muslim woman is surprised by a man while bathing or dressing, she must first cover her face, not her body.
Now THAT makes some sense !
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 26 of 62 )
Law applicable for marriages in Iran (passed by Ayatollah Khomeini):
Muslim males are banned from marrying their own mother, sister, stepmother, or mother-in-law. Nor may they make love to their wife's paternal or maternal grandmothers or her great-grandmothers.
Reasonable, but was there really a need for such a LAW?
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 27 of 62 )
hehehehe, maybe you got humped in Arabia whilst mistaken for a goat!
Anyway getting back to the topic, The only people to lead this fight would be women. And women activist have a peoblem today. They view their issues with blinkers. Women oppression is directly linked to general societal oppression. If women do not stand up angainst the facist Sanghi lies of today, they will never have a chance to liberate themselves
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 28 of 62 )
All fart and no fact makes others close their nose, ears and eyes!
And boot your fat bums (that seem to be the source of your intellect)!
sinbad 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 29 of 62 )
Who is more stupid, Gandalf Khan or Bindra Khan.
sinbad 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 30 of 62 )
Who is more stupid, Gandalf Khan or Bindra Khan.
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 31 of 62 )
The witticisms of these castrated clowns hide the fact that they have chased out anyone who could seriously discuss the topic at hand. Just look at this board - Any newbie daring to post a piece is hounded out. And the sad part is this is what these virus want. They know that they are abberations to humanity. They are not interested in discussion. They are only interested in muzzling any disenting voice to create a perception of mass approval for their views.
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vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 32 of 62 )
"The witticisms of these castrated clowns hide the fact that they have chased out anyone who could seriously discuss the topic at hand"
No you mentally retarded bum. You youself have said that you feel honored (check out the thread about journalism something) by my replies to your messages. The fact that I reply EVERY message of yours shows that I am looking with great difficulty to find out some stuff out of the messages that even nuts like you post. And we sure like diversity and not uniformity like you marxist thugs.
But this bindra chap seems to beat you to the prize - BIGGEST FOOL OF THE CENTURY!
Flattered?
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 33 of 62 )
Oh very... but you can keep your crown!
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 34 of 62 )
Now that everything is hunky dorey, can we talk about womens oppression of shut this thread.
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 35 of 62 )
GANDALF: CRown was for Bhindra. You didn't get it. You were runner up. Our condolence. Anyway, Hindu women are far more progressive then any western women. Compare Christian, Islam and Gita , You can find the status of women. Anyway, Women are capable of anything which deals with Brain Power. Higher society function with brain power and people with lesser brain can do all the labor work. But with robots and machine advancement, man may just need to love their wife when she would make decision to save the world from Islamic and christian fanatic.
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 36 of 62 )
"Higher society function with brain power and people with lesser brain can do all the labor work. But with robots and machine advancement, man may just need to love their wife when she would make decision to save the world from Islamic and christian fanatic."
Basically Bhramins should do all the thinking and others should serve them. But why is any advancement from foreigh countries following barbaric religions.. tell me one thing your 'religions civilisation' has given the world.. and dont give me Amrutanjan!
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 37 of 62 )
Women's oppression anyone?
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 38 of 62 )
please puke out your ideas first. sans the brahminical rhetoric of course.
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 39 of 62 )
If your criteria is based on that then let me enlighten you with pointing out Islamic MID-EAST ghetto countries condition. Now, If you consider West Christian then let me tell enlighten you with the data that 30% of doctors in US are Indian. Indian are one of most educated and Rich minorities in USA. Further, we managed to equal West in not only in Nuke tech but also in Space, IT, Bio Tech, Vaccines, Alternative medicines. India's is one of the TOP sources of intellectual in the world. Great Mathematician RAMANUJAM, a brahmin, still astonish the whole world with Theorem and Laws he developed on his desi Slates and small copies. Kannad, he wrote the law "Anu (Atom in greek) can neither be created nor be destroyed. Maths which starts with zero thru infinity came from Hindu where rest of the world were using symbols that starts with 1. Astronomy, Medical science, Love making, Spirituality, Bhuddism, Vaastu Sastra, Vedic Maths, Vedic Astrology, Freedom to question etc etc.But You wont know that because you are brain washed and slave of arab and west.
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 40 of 62 )
It was BJP that placed WOMEN BILL in parliament but Laloo, Muslim lover Mulayam and Christian Congress didn't let bill pass despite repeatitive request by BJP. Uma Bharati fought but lost to anti Women parties.
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 41 of 62 )
Indtruth, yes Indians are doing well and I am sure they will do well in any well organised system. Get out of your racist concept of the intellectual superiority of Indians. It is completely unscientific. Instead pay homage to the Queen who conquered you and taught you english.
And have a little humility, We contributed, but others contribution is also significant. What had an Indian to do with the electric light bulb, electricity, cars, allopathy, etc.
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 42 of 62 )
"What had an Indian to do with the electric light bulb, electricity, cars, allopathy, etc."
0
without 0, no civilisation would have been possible.
Europe invented nothing when they followed the romal numeral system. It is only the indian numeral system (purposely named falsely as arabic numerals which arabs themselves refer to as 'rasul-e-hind', the numerals of india) that made ALL inventions possible.
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 43 of 62 )
Arent you tired of the only invention worth talking about ... 0!!!!
And what did you do with the 0?.. nada.. nothing. Losers!
Coming back to women, If NDA govt is a majority, why could it not pass the womens bill??? Fucking Braminical liar
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 44 of 62 )
"And what did you do with the 0?.. nada.. nothing. Losers."
We invented the wheel with 0.
Without that, no chariots, no cycle, no bike, no car, no satellite, no everything.
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 45 of 62 )
Hahaha.. loser!
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 46 of 62 )
Gandalf is so much similar to Bhutto who used to shout 'I am the winner' after he was down and out. And like Musharaf, the official dick sucker of Bush, who pissed in his pants when India was about to attack him and begged every country in the world, even a country called Senegal that most have not seen even on an atlas, to request India not to attack him. Yesterday the bastard straightens up his semi dick and proclaims that he did not bow down to Indian pressure. Animal behaviour is that and only physical treatment will bend it, for a few moments.
Anyway Clown, keep up the entertainment. But some better quality will do. We do find you entertaining when we want to pass some time off the routine tension, but at times irritating and obnoxious.
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 47 of 62 )
Zero is not just Nada. When it adds up to right side of number it increases its worth to infinity. But Zero does makes scientist understand journey of creation from nothing to something. atoms are basic material of metal/elements. But living things are also made of same atom. So a configuration of non-living (is it?) atom decide whether a thing has the power to pro-create and move or be stationary. Hehehe. Poor muslim can't even imagine such big things. E=MC*C Matter changing to Energy. Then If God is spirit as kind of energy and we originated from this energy into matters, man, animals, land etc. Think about it.
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 48 of 62 )
Jews had their ass on fire because of Christian Europe. There survival was depended on the being useful or accept annilhalation. Nuclear bomb was made to save themselves and asian Japan was selected as the scapegoat.Anyway, Indian got their freedom from Brutal british only some 55 yrs back. Indian are back in race to achieve their lost glory. It wont be more than 5-10 yr to show the world what India is made of.
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 49 of 62 )
Let's not forget Computer is run on Binary system i.e. combination of 0 & 1. Indian with their caste system have generated a genetic pool of highly intelligent and adaptable Human who can provide this world with new mean and science that will bring peace and respect to Human. Casteism is no more needed as breed of Indian surpasses any existing human on this earth. With their intellectual power they can make a more peaceful and beautiful world.
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 50 of 62 )
NDA is not having majority in Rajya Sabha/ Upper House. For a Bill to become Law, it has not pass thru both the houses. But then GANDALF and people with his likes are brain dead with no knowledge about the world around them. Commis and Mullah tell them to say something and then jump around like a loud speaker. How pathetic?
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 51 of 62 )
I was explaining above why WOMEN BILL didn't become law despite BJP putting all its might. Women are the power which make a nation great. No nation can become great where women are not respected and kept under darkness.
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 52 of 62 )
My question dear baboon, is if the NDA has a majority, why could it not pass the woments bill?
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 53 of 62 )
"is if the NDA has a majority, why could it not pass the woments bill?"
For a bill to become an Act, it has to be passed in both the houses of the Parliament. And while NDA has a majority in the Lower house (Lok Sabha - House of Elected Representatives), it does not have a majority in the Upper house (Rajya Sabha - House of Nominated members).
So, how can BJP pass the bill dum dum?
indtruth 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 54 of 62 )
GANDALF: I think VIKRAM answered your brain washed mind. I tried but 50yrs of brainwashed gandalf type mind will take sometime to see the Truth. Women will pass once BJP and other Forward looking parties will get majority in both the houses. Forward looking Parties doesn't include CONGRESS, COMMIS, RJD, Forward bloc etc.
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 55 of 62 )
OK, so are you saying the Womens bill was passed in the Lower house but got rejected in the upper house?
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 56 of 62 )
So, the BJP has to pass the bill in the Lok Sabha knowing pretty well that the congress and the commies will defeat it in the Rajya sabha? To prove its gender equality credentials to you?
And then you commies will jump on your half dicks and accuse BJP of insincerity - "They knew it would not be passed but still did it for creating political instability in the country - they are communal!!1"
Sheesh! how insipid your strategies have become.
galaxy 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 57 of 62 )
Gandalf how are you doing ?
Frankly I think you are wasting your time sir.
How conveniently people forget the chicanery of this government to circumvent a minority in the Rajya Sabha...Ask Pramod Mahajan and the high priest of Hypocracy ,exemplar of all that is odious, Arun Jaitley...... a joint sitting,now standard ploy ,if they truly want something passed. But then, they DO NOT want gender bias to be removed, that is the essence of their (dis)integral humanism.... and obviously there are other political gimmicks with rich dividends , that are more important than the hideous treatment of our women.....buggering you know whom....ask the Modi/Togadia Partnership combine.
gandalf 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 58 of 62 )
Galaxy, good to see you. Yeah I know and this prolonged interaction is making me as bad... :-(
galaxy 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 59 of 62 )
Hi Gandalf, you heard the adage 'Don't argue with an abusive fool' that's because the argument can never get coherent and remains abusive as it can only continue on the idiot's terms of hurling abuse since there is no substance to begin with....and you are certainly not an idiot, don't get lured into it ...too demeaning for you !
vikram99 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 60 of 62 )
My uncle told me, you know what? says galaxy to people. He told me - "Beta, don't argue with a fool"
Why chacha? asks 'galaxy'
"Beta, becoz people will not make out the difference then"
Ok Chacha says galaxy. But chachaji, How do I make out whether the person i speak to is a fool or not?
Shut up and don't ARGUE with me you stupid boy shouts his Chacha! and continues Can't you recognize one of your own!
Nice going eh? Galaxy?
Tathagat 10/24/2002 11:26:07 AM ( 61 of 62 )
appa DeepO bhava
"...man is always uneasy and threatened by the possibility that woman will one day claim her full right to human existence, so he has found ways to enslave her. He has married her, and through the family, binds her to him as wife and mother to his children. He has kept her helpless and dependent, forcing her to work when he needed her labor, isolating her (physically and psychologically), and as a final proof of his power and her debasement as a possession, a thing, a chunk of meat, he has raped her. The act of rape is the logical expression of the essential relationship now existing between men and women." (as quoted in Rape: The First Sourcebook for Feminists. Report from the Work- shop on Self-Defense by Mary Ann Manhart.p. 215)
Rape was no longer a crime committed by individuals against individuals; it had become part of class analysis. Rape had found its niche within a political ideology with a revolutionary agenda.
In the conclusion to the book Rape: the First Sourcebook for Feminists, Mary Ann Manhart remarked on this shift from supporting individual rape victims to politicizing them:
"Earlier in the book we stated that the initial step in the feminist process is consciousness-raising and the final step is political action...Consciousness-raising is a political act, and in turn, political action becomes consciousness-raising...In a sense, rape is not a reformist but a revolutionary issue because our ultimate goal is to eliminate rape and that goal cannot be achieved without a revolutionary transformation of our society. It means a transformation of the family, the economic system and the psychology of men and women so that sexual exploitation along with economic exploitation becomes impossible and even unimaginable." p.249-250
Susan Griffin expresses the ideological underpinning of this shift in rape theory in her book, Rape: The Power of Conscious- ness. Here, she argues that the true rapist is not the individual man, but the political system of patriarchy.
"From Marxism I had learned a habit of looking for social causes and observing how human nature is shaped by external condition...But the Left had an ideology, which, beyond and in addition to its prejudice against women did not agree with the changes we experienced...We rejected the theory that capitalism had raped us. If they said patriarchy was just a form of capi- talism, we said that capitalism was a form of patriarchy." p.26 Harper & Row, San Francisco, 1979
