Present:
Sandman
Thorrn
Keeper Zoran
Rollo the Ax
Bretval
Kazar
Hunter
Venator
Gogane
Austin
Frederick
PAX
LionHeart
Rogan

Lita

moira
ruby
ayrie
natasha
galah
rykl
asta
aura
maddie~anne
flicka

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 19:46:11 pm CDT
~Clearing My throat.~
Time to get Forum started everyone.

If you have a topic could you please PM it to Me.

Once we start remember the usual rules about Greetings and chit chat apply.

Do we have a scribe?

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 19:47:10 pm CDT
~fiddles with her quill and ink horn.~
Aye Jarl, flicka is scribing.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 19:49:09 pm CDT
dark gold fecked gems to Jarl Keeper
listens intently

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 19:49:25 pm CDT
Before We start.
Zoran has an announcement to make, please your attention to Zoran.

~Looking to My Friend~

The floor is Yours Zoran.

moira {Venator} 19:50:08 pm CDT
Attention turns to Master Zoran

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 19:50:33 pm CDT
~turns her liquid gaze to the handsome Master Zoran.~

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:51:55 pm CDT
looking to Zoran

natasha{Zoran} 19:52:25 pm CDT
lifts her dark gaze to her Master

Rollo the Ax 19:52:26 pm CDT
looking to Zoran........

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 19:52:50 pm CDT
Thank you my Captian
Nods to him
This week we give you all a treat as few of the Master have been working hard in the training hard
Thursday there will be two soar one early in the day for the Erik part of are family and one at 8:30 eastern time

The early spar will be Austin and BretvL
Poor Venator drew the short straw and gets to spar me at the later spar
Laughs
All are invited

PAX 19:53:05 pm CDT
looking to Zoran

Venator-Warrior 19:53:47 pm CDT
Chuckling at Zoran, didn't want to beat up on little brother.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 19:54:11 pm CDT
Thank you
Zoran
Any topics?

ruby~{Randolph}~t 19:55:46 pm CDT
Master Zoran
oh claps hands softly...wiggling with excitement...this one can hardly wait

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 19:56:17 pm CDT
Laughs I think Austin like it

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 19:56:52 pm CDT
well done men
ayrie{Thadron} 19:56:59 pm CDT
one looks forward to the spars ~smiles at her Protector hoping He doesn't get sidelined ~laughs softly

moira {Venator} 19:57:53 pm CDT
Moira and ayrie will patch Him up if need be smiles

Austin - Scholar- 19:58:50 pm CDT
Zoran I excited.... Bretval will be a tough match.... and Venator is sad for the easy draw.......

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 19:59:23 pm CDT
hmmm men doing manly things, sweat, blood, muscles bulging, beautiful slaves kneeling on the sidelines watching going all gooey with adoration.

~flicka swoons.~

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 19:59:31 pm CDT
I have a topic;
but there is one point of clarification that I have asked to make.

In the Tavern Masters recline on furs, often very luxurious, they normally sit crossed legged.
There are low tables for the patrons and separate slave furs.
The Captains on the Dais have currule chairs that We sit in.

ayrie{Thadron} 19:59:31 pm CDT
indeed moira, He wouldn't dare bleed on His beautiful girl

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:00:05 pm CDT
Grins keep. It up junior

Gogane 20:00:58 pm CDT
Nods in understanding at Keepers words

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:01:16 pm CDT
Nods to Captian
I been in so many tavern they started to runn together
Thank you for the clarifying

Lita, Physician 20:01:52 pm CDT
If I am able to be present for the spars, I can take care of any boo boos, girls

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:02:14 pm CDT
The topic:
In Gor slaves are treated a certain way, however the reality is that people get to now each other on line and establish strong relationships, both Master and slave.

With that in mind; there are five quotes below.

1/- 'Though I am slave,' she said, 'yet for the first time in my life, I am free.'

pg 303 Nomads of GOR

2/- The female slave, in her excitement and beauty, is an embodiment of sensuality, love, and service.

Vagabonds, pg. 260

3/- "I am not an animal, and you are an animal. Yes, my dear, you are legally an animal. In the eyes of Gorean law you are an animal. You have no name in your own right. You may be collared and leashed. You may be bought and sold, whipped, treated as the master pleases, disposed of as he sees fit. You have no rights whatsoever. Legally you have no more status than a tarsk or vulo. Legally, literally, you are an animal."

Explorers, pg. 316

4/- "May I surmise from this," she asked, "as I know little of slavery, and am new to the condition, that there can be tenderness and kindness for a slave?"
"There can be tenderness and kindness for a slave," I said.
"Can masters and slaves be friends?" she asked.
"Yes," I said.
"Do masters ever love their slaves?" she asked.
"Often," I said.

Blood Brothers of Gor Book 18 Pages 101 and 113

"One of the pleasant things about owning a slave," I said, "is the opportunity to converse with her, listen to her, to hear her express herself, her feelings and ideas. One can learn much from a slave. Many slaves, like yourself, are highly intelligent. They can express themselves articulately, clearly, trenchantly and lyrically. It is a great pleasure to talk with them."

Beasts of Gor Book 12 Page 203

Which of the five quotes do you like the best?
Which one of the five quotes most closely reflects your views on Gorean slaves?
Why?
Do you disagree with any of the quotes?
Why?

Rollo the Ax 20:02:34 pm CDT
How many here even know what * currule * chair is ?? or looks like ??

moira {Venator} 20:02:43 pm CDT
girl would be honored to follow Your instructions Mistress

{asta} Rogan 💗 His divine beauty 20:03:43 pm CDT
1.bp.blogspot.com/-HFCiGcUTm4U/UU25tLrhxPI/AAAAAAAAA8g/2BLmawlJCyA/s640/HHS+Curule+Chair+Ads+Green+&+Gold.png

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:04:46 pm CDT
Jarl Keeper flicka has a question please. Yesterday she was reading the description of the Tavern and came across this:

"The section closer to the front of the room contains low round tables, with furs strewn about them. These tables are for use by the patrons, and most of the tables are large enough to fit at least eight men to a table."

A girl's question is a logistics one, how can we kneel before a Master if he is at a round table? This is not a mickey mouse question, of course a girl can think of one way, which is to kneel on the table itself. But would appreciate some other ideas.

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:04:48 pm CDT
I like the last two as I feel they are so true

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:05:09 pm CDT
Master Rollo, it is akin to the old Roman chair on which Senators sat.

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:05:38 pm CDT
Laughs Rollo I have no idea

moira {Venator} 20:06:09 pm CDT
The last 2 ring closest to girl's heart

Venator-Warrior 20:06:46 pm CDT
Nods with prior comments, the last 2.

natasha{Zoran} 20:07:36 pm CDT
the first and the fourth are the ones that resonate most deeply within this girl

{asta} Rogan 💗 His divine beauty 20:08:11 pm CDT
the link this one posted is of a curule chair

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:08:14 pm CDT
I would think a girl would kneel to one side flicka.
You would kneel next to the Master but slightly to one side if the table is in the way.

Rogan 20:08:16 pm CDT
I know now what one looks likes. Thank you asta dor the link.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:08:20 pm CDT
For Me it is a toss of a coin between quotes 4 and 5.
Probably five.
I admire intellect, full stop end of story.
Having said all that, there are aspects of each quote that i really like.

Especially quote four and the unique relationship between Master and slave.

Rollo the Ax 20:08:23 pm CDT
that is correct, flicka...... they look like 2 wide * U * s turned end to end and joined together .......a u on top of an upside down u

Lita, Physician 20:08:28 pm CDT
*raises Her hand*

ayrie{Thadron} 20:08:54 pm CDT
The first and the fourth, when choosing from those.

galah{RA} 20:09:43 pm CDT
gal can't pick a favorite out of those quotes, she LOVES all of them....all so true

Austin - Scholar- 20:09:56 pm CDT
I agree the last two are significant to me.. especially after obtaining my first collared pet... and after time as on I am learning that my slave is very intelligent and articulate.... she was exceedingly shy at first but as time goes on she is blossoming into a beautiful girl to have a relationship with

Rollo the Ax 20:10:15 pm CDT
As for the quotes.... I agree with the choice of both/either 4 and 5 ....

Kazar~infamous pirate.~( 20:10:26 pm CDT
Keeper am like you liked 5~ and also 4 ones like the bantor of a slave one can also learn from one

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:10:41 pm CDT
girl believes

The female slave, in her excitement and beauty, is an embodiment of sensuality, love, and service.

Vagabonds, pg. 260

applies to her

it is often said...on Gor, the heaviest chains, are those of love

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:11:21 pm CDT
~Laughing~
Come on galah, you have to choose one or maybe two?
~Grinning!~

{asta} Rogan 💗 His divine beauty 20:11:47 pm CDT
-smiles up at Him-
You are very welcome Master
this girl looked it up long ago when she first learned that the dais held Curule Chairs.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:11:53 pm CDT
And why?

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:12:18 pm CDT
The ones which resonate the most are 1, 2 and 5. For flicka from Masters she does not seek tenderness she seeks to be controlled to be Mastered to be taken on a wild journey of discovery.

Jarl Hunter {aura} 20:12:38 pm CDT
Aye we do have varying views on show as an eclectic mix of chatters and thats to be expected butI would humbly say that they are all equal..our moods might play favourites on a whim but in the end we cant pick and choose....either its Gor by the written word or its not and all the quotes resonate for both Free and slave

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:14:14 pm CDT
I really think a confident Master who is comfortable in His own Mastery can and should learn from His slave.
That is why a certain type of friendship and understand becomes important. They are still slaves but the relationship is about growth, not stagnation.

moira {Venator} 20:14:26 pm CDT
But are those 2 things mutually exclusive mistress?

peanut {Lita~HLH} 20:14:47 pm CDT
slips in and crawls over to her Mistress's feet where she knelt, thighs pressed shut...palms upturned..

Bretval 20:14:57 pm CDT
#5 for Me as well

ayrie{Thadron} 20:15:07 pm CDT
1~ because in Master's steel she is allowed/ expected to be her true self. one does not hide her desire to serve and please therefore, the most important part of her is free.

Kazar~infamous pirate.~( 20:15:39 pm CDT
keeper yep when one closes ones mind too growth one becomes stagnant ``

i like too be like a sponge aborb what around me ~` can always learn from one `

galah{RA} 20:15:49 pm CDT
yes Jarl Keeper, then gal would need pick 2 and 4....just can't pick one, they all fit so well

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:16:11 pm CDT
You make a very valid point Hunter.
~Grinning~
You can stick with all five galah!

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:17:06 pm CDT
Yes a true master can learn from any one
Because he is true in his own skin

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:17:25 pm CDT
No moira, they are not, but it is easy to fall into a trap of Princess behaviour if a Master is too enthralled, too tender, too in love with His slave.

But having said this, it is this girl's view alone, and for others there is a different reality no doubt.

galah{RA} 20:17:45 pm CDT
**she claps lil palms to her upper thighs about Jarl Hunters words**

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:17:53 pm CDT
~Nodding to Zoran~

Lita, Physician 20:17:58 pm CDT
I would agree with the girl kneeling to one side. Also, in the books, in paga Taaverns, the girls walked up and down the tables carrying pitchers of paga and re-filling the bowls as they went. But those were Tavern slaves, not privately owned.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:18:58 pm CDT
indeed ayrie
your point is well stated...

chuckles chooses 1 too

galah{RA} 20:19:14 pm CDT
we need two more quotes, that way we would have a week worth of quotes and can enjoy one each day, as Jarl Hunter said, what fits today may not fit as well tomorrow

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:19:16 pm CDT
~Nodding to flicka.~
Another very good and valid point.
Love, friendship and learning are all very important, but what is at the core of the relationship can never be forgotten.

ayrie{Thadron} 20:19:42 pm CDT
~listens to mistress with a smile
Thank you ruby ~floats a hug

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:20:44 pm CDT
galah
ruby and ayrie...post a quote daily to the Inn corks...come take a look

galah{RA} 20:21:47 pm CDT
gal has always thought #1 fit, a slave is bound to feel more free, as she can run around nekid if she wants, something a FW can't or wouldn't do...FW and slaves both have to watch how they speak, the words they use and the tone

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:23:01 pm CDT
That is true galah, very true.
I am sure there is other kind of freedoms for slaves.
~Grinning~
Not really an expert on the subject!

galah{RA} 20:23:13 pm CDT
ruby, why don't we do something like that on our boards, and each day read it and use it in the tavern in some way?

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:24:44 pm CDT
~laughing~ gal, yes especially if one lives as we do on rural holdings. But also there is the freedom engendered in the spirit, to be no longer bound about by earthern morals, to be free of those constraints, to be able to revel in one's sexuality and have all "ownership" of what is good or bad placed in the hands of one's Master. That is true freedom for flicka.

galah{RA} 20:24:47 pm CDT
like if #1 was the quote of the day, a girl could come in and say something about knowing she is a slave, but feeling free in her ability to be such

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:24:59 pm CDT
that would be nice galah...just didn't want to burden the corks...thinking Council approval, would be necessary too

Rollo the Ax 20:25:15 pm CDT
I feel that perhaps those here might possibly fail to understand that situations and feelings can change due to differing events and times..... to pick just ONE quote or idea for all time may be asking too much..... in may thinking that are only a few absolutes in life... Live free or die, honor above personal interest, the strong should protect the weak ..... concepts such as these are never changing.....

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:25:22 pm CDT
An interesting question is; a what point does friendship, love and feelings for a slave allow princess or non-slave-like behaviour? What is the tipping point when it goes too far?

galah{RA} 20:25:41 pm CDT
oooooooohhh yes mistress, **swoons at her words**

ayrie{Thadron} 20:26:02 pm CDT
one thinks of it as a friendly inspiration for those peeking in the Inn but still unsure of their place on Gor. Plus a special message to her sisters ♡

Jarl Hunter {aura} 20:26:40 pm CDT
The core of the relationship is the Masters will...this Hunter thinks

the moment that is in the least uncertain then its no longer a Master slave exchange strictly speaking...within that very sure paradigm though is room for all the vagaries of love and friendship...indeed those things are vital

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:27:01 pm CDT
I like that idea ruby:
My email is;
keeper1209@gmail.com

I will pass it on to the Council if you wish.

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:27:20 pm CDT
Keeper if I truly love my slave I will always keep her in line
If I allow her to be wild then I am no master
And I would not deserve to have a slave

Jarl Hunter {aura} 20:27:49 pm CDT
SO it follows that a princess is a result of that Masters will ultimately

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:27:50 pm CDT
Wise words Rollo, wise words indeed.

galah{RA} 20:29:00 pm CDT
**claps lil hands to upper thighs again for her Masters words**

well ruby, there would be no better time to ask the council? hehehehee

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:29:09 pm CDT
~Nodding to both Zoran and Hunter.~
Very well and very succinctly put.
Exactly right.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:29:30 pm CDT
~nodding at the wisdom of Master Hunter.~

The core is a He says the Master/slave relationship, and within that there is room for love and friendship, but if that basic tenet falters then in flicka's mind it is a slippery slope toward ..... well nothingness.

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 20:29:54 pm CDT
well said Brother Rollo

Bretval 20:30:08 pm CDT
When any slave thinks she is better than any other slave ... that is the tipping point as I see it... they do not have to like each other but they have to recognize they are all slaves equally

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:30:17 pm CDT
nods to Master Hunter
a love slave must be kept in iron discipline...

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:30:26 pm CDT
~muttering old dog new tricks, Jarl Hunter, Jarl Hunter, Jarl Hunter.~

ayrie{Thadron} 20:30:36 pm CDT
one can not envision wishing to be unslavelike. Master's love does not diminish her respect and devotion. a princess puts herself first. A slave does not

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:31:41 pm CDT
~Nodding~
In the end, it does come down to a Master's will.

Rollo the Ax 20:31:53 pm CDT
LOL... what if, Zoran.... that very * wildness * is what attracts the girl to you huh what if her actions and activities are just what you want in a kajira huhhuh?

Kazar~infamous pirate.~( 20:31:55 pm CDT
flicka how many jarl swats grins

Austin - Scholar- 20:32:19 pm CDT
Nods with Zoran.... there needs to be boundaries and the slave must always need to know those boundaries

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:32:51 pm CDT
Very many Master Kazar and each of course delivered with love. ~smiles~

Jarl Hunter {aura} 20:32:57 pm CDT
I only changed My name for the punishments that would surely follow...LOL

{asta} Rogan 💗 His divine beauty 20:33:02 pm CDT
-shifts slightly against His thigh as she listens to the conversation flowing through the room-

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:33:13 pm CDT
An excellent definition ayrie:
"A princess puts herself first. A slave does not."
That just about sums it up.
If someone wants to spot princess behaviour, that is a good place to start.

galah{RA} 20:33:44 pm CDT
wwwwaaaaaaaaa hooooo my Master, gal was gonna say, that some Masters like wildness in a girl

moira {Venator} 20:34:09 pm CDT
Very well defined ayrie

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:34:11 pm CDT
~smiles at ayrie~ exactly.

ayrie{Thadron} 20:34:39 pm CDT
Thank You Jarl Keeper, opinions differ of course, but the litany does not

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:34:52 pm CDT
Very true but that wildness must be kept in check
Even if means to whip
Her daily I had one of those slaves
Laughs I ammsure Rollo you rember lara

galah{RA} 20:35:18 pm CDT
gal thinks that most Masters here would think gal is alil wild? but she walks this fine line making sure she doesn't cross it, its taken a lot of years to be able to do that

maddie~anne 20:35:18 pm CDT
~listening quietly~

LionHeart of Old 20:36:31 pm CDT
It comes down if a Master would be Master or if not. I now and again make Mine do something I know they do not wish to do -- not to be cruel, but to remind her that being slave is about submitting to MY will. A slave that is "to happy" being a slave -- often has not had her desires challenged and had to sumbit them

Austin - Scholar- 20:36:42 pm CDT
If my slave decide to try th princess mode... I am slow to anger... but that will draw my ire quickly and swift discipline will result...

Rogan 20:36:52 pm CDT
-Strokes her hair listening to the conversation-

Jarl Hunter {aura} 20:37:01 pm CDT
grins at galah...your 'wildness' as you put it is because Rollo allows it....thats the whole point

peanut {Lita~HLH} 20:37:10 pm CDT
Looks to Jarl Keeper...girl would have to disagree...there are some slaves here and there who have a Master that doesn't have any Mastery skills and there for, good slave or not, she rules Him....topping from the bottom

galah{RA} 20:37:31 pm CDT
wildness as in energy and the ability to be comical and still longing, not wild as in disrespectful...never would she do that

ayrie{Thadron} 20:37:55 pm CDT
~listens quietly, leaning into the hard wood of His chair

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:38:08 pm CDT
There is a difference between a Gorean slave displaying wildness, strength of personality, few Masters crave a doormat, and brattiness, Princess behaviour. Masters secure in themselves can discern the difference and relish it.

{asta} Rogan 💗 His divine beauty 20:38:28 pm CDT
-smiles up at Him as she feels His strong fingers in her hair, softly purring at His petting-

galah{RA} 20:39:37 pm CDT
**nods in agreement with mistress** well said mistress

Rollo the Ax 20:39:51 pm CDT
To control a slave, the Master must first KNOW the slave...... if a whip or chains are needed to control, then there is no understanding... only control....... true control comes when the slave comes to her Master and she says ** Master, I may have made a mistake today and I beg your forgiveness .......**

Kazar~infamous pirate.~( 20:40:05 pm CDT
flicka princess behavior not tolerated by well rounded Master
bratitiness gets away with lil more till one goes beyond need too punished to get her back in line ~

ayrie{Thadron} 20:40:05 pm CDT
someday she should share her journal entry on the merits of a doormat with mistress ~ grins

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:40:06 pm CDT
Master Zoran
smiles
in the books a slave often relished the kiss of the whip...
that the Master cared enough to implement punishment...grateful for the attention given

ayrie{Thadron} 20:41:15 pm CDT
even in her wildness, a slave has witnessed her desire to serve and please

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:41:21 pm CDT
~chuckling at ayrie's words~ a girl looks forwards to reading it sister.

galah{RA} 20:41:31 pm CDT
yes Jarl Hunter, he likes gal just as she is and just as long as he isn't getting complaints about her **shivers at the thought**

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:41:47 pm CDT
peanut; it is a great sadness when that happens, one can only hope as they travel along their journey in Gor they grow into true Master and slave. With in Gor each Master has the right to be just that; a Master, even if it is not what many would consider truly Gorean.

Breaking any basic rules of course is another matter.

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:42:40 pm CDT
Agrees compostly with Rollo
My slave have always told on them selves
And to dishonor me is worse then any punishment

Rollo the Ax 20:43:33 pm CDT
LOLO....LOL..... yes, the picture of both types of relationships comes to mind..... a Master leading his slave around by the chain.... and the slave leading her master around by the dick....... seen way too many cases to the later in my life here on Gor....

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:44:34 pm CDT
It happens Rollo and it is a pity.

Jarl Hunter {aura} 20:44:43 pm CDT
I think it is a journey as Captain Keeper says....no one enters this realm complete

its just as difficult for Free to learn self control as to control a slave..and to learn to laugh at their own ridiculousness at times which We all manage in our attempts at times

LionHeart of Old 20:44:58 pm CDT
And Rollo --- when the girl fear My frown more than My whip -- when she would beg for the whip to relieve the pain of My from -- THEN she is owned

galah{RA} 20:45:32 pm CDT
on the occasion gal has been displeasing to her Master, he tells her she can't speak and he doesn't speak with her...that is by far worse than being whipped, absolutely painful

Gogane 20:46:14 pm CDT
Hunter, agrees no one enters this realm complete.
It is very much a learning curve.
Yes it is good to laugh at errors made

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:46:30 pm CDT
~Nodding~
I have heard that from many a slave galah
Most will tell you that is the worst punishment.

peanut {Lita~HLH} 20:46:41 pm CDT
it is true that a Master may declare from a slave as He wishes, regardless of His skill level...hopefully he will pick them up quickly,,

does the tavern have limits for a Master to own a slave...lets say buying a girl from the tavern...does He need to "have schooling per sa before He can take on a slave?

natasha{Zoran} 20:47:05 pm CDT
there is nothing this girl fears more than her Master's displeasure and disappointment.

moira {Venator} 20:47:40 pm CDT
Agrees with tasha shivering

Jarl Hunter {aura} 20:48:08 pm CDT
slips a hand in auras hair...twists it ...smiles

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:48:08 pm CDT
Smikes down to her as I listen to her words

peanut {Lita~HLH} 20:48:23 pm CDT
crawls over to her Master...kneeling with thighs parting...her hands finding the top of her head as her breasts lift for His pleasure...there she stayed

galah{RA} 20:48:36 pm CDT
it is indeed Jarl Keeper, better to be whipped and have it over with than to go days of lonliness and sorrow

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:48:43 pm CDT As flicka has said "Masters to not emerge from their mother's womb saying "Paga Now!"".
We have Zoran and Randolph as Mentors to Masters.
~Nodding to Zoran.~

maddie~anne 20:49:00 pm CDT
~shifts a little upon her heels as she continues to listen~

Rollo the Ax 20:49:02 pm CDT
LOLO...LOL... roaring with laughter...... even then, any * complaint * is judged on its own merit...... a valid complaint from a person of standing or known Gorean...... will be looked at........any complaint from some paper tiger, or worse yet from his slave using him to do her dirty work, will get the attention it deserves .....

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:49:16 pm CDT
aye galah
to be ignored...is excruciating agonizing

LionHeart of Old 20:49:36 pm CDT
Sadly peanut, slaves were subject to many fools -- as Gor had them as Urth does -- it is why I don't immediately ban HNGs as long as try to act Gorean. For a slave to serve Me or MaL My Brother is often a pleasure for her -- to serve a FOOL helps teach her her place

moira {Venator} 20:50:10 pm CDT
If a girl is fortunate enough to have earned Master's love and kindness, she must not take advantage and bring shame to Him

Venator-Warrior 20:51:19 pm CDT
Nods, hearing her words.

peanut {Lita~HLH} 20:51:35 pm CDT
smiles as He spoke knowing His words to be true

ayrie{Thadron} 20:51:48 pm CDT
~catches her breath after floating a word or twenty to mistress

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:52:36 pm CDT
peanut, the reason that flicka would urge any girl new to Gorean Shores to beg a GS collar is for exactly the reason you mention.

Not all Masters are equal, not all who would put a Capital letter to Their name are Masters.

By being at first in a GS collar the girl is under the protection and the wisdom of the Captains of our home, and They will decide if a Master is worthy , has the knowledge and indeed the backbone to be a Gorean Master to a slave who has been in Their collar. They have experience and wisdom far and above what any new commer-slave could possibly have.

Life is too short to be anything but happy 20:53:26 pm CDT
brown eyes lighting up as i see aura
fingers wrapping delicately around hers
following her lead, kneeling respectfully next to her

LionHeart of Old 20:54:15 pm CDT
See I disagree flicka -- Masters do not need be "worthy" to own a beast -- on Gor Men would not have dreamed if asking if a Man was "worthy" of owning a slave -- only if he had the coin to afford the slut

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 20:54:23 pm CDT
Nods to Keeper
As my whisper are open to any Master

galah{RA} 20:55:18 pm CDT
**nods her head in agreement with Master LionHearts words** we was all new to gor at some point, but yes, its for a slave to do as told by any free Man/Master, be he old or new

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 20:56:41 pm CDT
~softly~ aye Master LionHeart, but behind this keyboard in this forum is a person on Earth. Not Gor.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 20:57:24 pm CDT
~Nodding~
Very true flicka, real people, real emotions.

ruby~{Randolph}~t 20:58:30 pm CDT
mistress
yes indeed...that is most wise to remember

galah{RA} 20:58:37 pm CDT
but this reality being urth Master LionHeart, would that not just drive a girl away to never return to gor?

aura{Hunter} 20:59:32 pm CDT
so wise is beautiful mistress flicka

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 21:00:15 pm CDT
Yes if we truly we all gor
I think we have a bunch of master and no slaves
And if that happen
I am out laughs

Jarl Hunter {aura} 21:00:21 pm CDT
I havent yet been in the tavern and met One born on Gor

Bretval 21:01:36 pm CDT
It has done that to many, galah

LionHeart of Old 21:01:50 pm CDT
I will answer galah in a moment, BUT flicka that is to extend choice BEYOND the choice to come TO GOR and make this D/s. The person behind the keyboard INDEED has the CHOICE to come to Gor or NOT, but IF comes, and if has any integrity THEN enters Gor AS Gor and tries to live here AS a Gorean. There is choice, but at entry and it will stay -- NOT in the context of play once one has entered.

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:01:59 pm CDT
There is a fine balance that must be maintained that is for sure!

Jarl Hunter {aura} 21:03:52 pm CDT
No idea what Your point is LH

peanut {Lita~HLH} 21:04:14 pm CDT
that's true...slaves are made to learn all of gor before they are sold...a Master need no know anything but how to fur and dring ...most have no clue what r/p is ... and therefor fur with two word increments

yes Master, it sucks to have sex like that...yes she knows her place and will comply to His will...whatever that may be...

real people. real emotions...is that an excuse to bring earthen relationships into gorean life?....a slave is restricted from sex because of earth relationhips...she gets pissed when her Master furs someone else...and so she leads Him by the chain...and threatens to leave if He doesn't again...earthern relationships on Gor...+Disney land

Rollo the Ax 21:04:50 pm CDT
Perhaps Lion Heart * worthy * is not the exactly correct word..... but something close to the idea if not it exactly...... how many HNGs do slaves have to suffer before they just stop coming huh what use to give a race horse to a farmer to plough with huh to own race car to drive to the corner store for milk huh a wasted item is still a wasted item......

moira {Venator} 21:05:01 pm CDT
moira sometimes feels there is a very earh like pecking order here. Newer Masters/slaves are looked down on by more established citizens

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:05:24 pm CDT
The integrity of the Master is linked to the context of the play in that as always it is a form of agreement between two people, real people.

LionHeart of Old 21:06:06 pm CDT
galah, when a woman(subbie type) thinks of coming to Gor the FIRST thing I stress is the DIFFERENCE -- the HORROR of it from an urthen stand point. I tell her to think of a the in rt Man she despises most and hopefully at the same time disgusts her most. A fat, dirty, pig of a Man. Then to think what it would be to be naked in a paga tavern and called SERVE sexually THAT Man -- then further the possibility of beig OWNED by Him for years. THAT is a part of the Gorean experience -- part of the "danger" that makes Gor LIVE.

Indeed it drives MANY away, but it prevents subbie princesses from flocking in -- and makes delicious slaves of those that hear that and enter.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 21:06:30 pm CDT
Master LionHeart flicka was addressing these words of Yours:

LionHeart of Old 20:54:15 pm CDT
See I disagree flicka -- Masters do not need be "worthy" to own a beast -- on Gor Men would not have dreamed if asking if a Man was "worthy" of owning a slave -- only if he had the coin to afford the slut

With respect Master, what coin is of use in Gorean Shores? Is it the coin of pretend gold whereby a Master can offer a 100 gold tarns for a slave? or is it the coin of being a Master of Integrity?

Within Gorean Shores just as we slaves accept our place, Masters too must abide by the rules of the home.

Hense flicka's comment that we live on Earth behind the keyboard.

aura{Hunter} 21:06:33 pm CDT
peanut do you mean someone like me who is restricted by her Jarl is Disney? Many things could be said about slaves who post rude things to the corks also

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 21:08:25 pm CDT
Hey now I am a old Master
I meet new Master with open arm and all new slave
I meet and I am very nice
Laughs at moria

Gogane 21:11:35 pm CDT
Moves quietly from my fur and heads out.
Thank you all for your words, an interesting discussion.
Have learnt much

Jarl Hunter {aura} 21:11:35 pm CDT
I will say this

I see slaves practice and then serve with great skill and devotion to the serve itselfin flowing prose and lucid evocative description..and I see them ignored at times while they serve or an UG at the most in return...it happens...its a great pity...its laziness and using being Free and therefore absolved of all responsibilty as an excuse....a bigger reason slaves leave gs than any other I would suggest

peanut {Lita~HLH} 21:12:20 pm CDT
aura, whats is the use in owning a pleasure slave if You put her back I n white silks to serve Your pleasure...and You pleasure only...its an earthen relationship that keeps you in those white silks...bring earth to gor is eqult to Disneyland and should be kept out...yes He may do as He pleases but we say we R/P by the books and this is in no way by the books

LionHeart of Old 21:12:50 pm CDT
In another time and place flicka I created a market -- and coin was EARNED by the number of posts in the market by Free -- and indeed women there were SOLD based on such coin -- there are ways in vt to create currency

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:12:55 pm CDT
The thing that makes Gor what it is; Gor, is the rules we agreed to be governed by, both written and unwritten rules.
One of the unwritten rules of Gor is to have integrity and act with honour. That would include the treatment of real people behind the keyboard.

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 21:15:16 pm CDT
Listens to LH
Coins for babbling, interesting concept.
I bet if slaves would be allowed money they´d become rich in that market *l*

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 21:15:17 pm CDT
A girl is pleased that the home her Jarl chose to His His pledge to is thriving.

LionHeart of Old 21:15:44 pm CDT
I get a Man wanting a woman only for his own use -- then free her and Mate her -- THAT kind of thing is what FW are FOR -- the SOLE use by their companion in private and with some dignity -- neither such things are for slaves

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:15:52 pm CDT
If many behind the keyboard agreed to that rationale, then clearly it was good for them at that time.

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 21:15:59 pm CDT
`sighs` the urts are nibbling once more.

LionHeart of Old 21:16:52 pm CDT
Thorn

It was a way of showing COMMITMENT to the market and to the process -- and made it a matter of COMMERCE -- which is how property should be handled

Kazar~infamous pirate.~( 21:16:58 pm CDT
well the lil monster not here tonight flicka grins

peanut {Lita~HLH} 21:17:13 pm CDT
throws flicka a rope...tie that round ya...blows a kiss

ayrie{Thadron} 21:17:32 pm CDT
A restricted slave is no less a slave. another slave cannot change that.

Jarl Hunter {aura} 21:17:54 pm CDT
looks at peanut...are You questioning Me girl?

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 21:18:00 pm CDT
~smiling at Master Kazar, catching the rope from peanut~

aura{Hunter} 21:18:13 pm CDT
peanut sorry but after the display you put on the corks your the last person to tell my Jarl how to act.... aura would never tell her Jarl what to do... she is sure he is listening to your lecture which is rather earthen and self righteous

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:18:22 pm CDT
I think the time is growing late.
Does anyone have further comment about the quotes before I close Forum?

Jarl Hunter {aura} 21:18:46 pm CDT
if we roleplay totally and absolutely by the books you would be going very close to ending up as sleen fodder ...forum or not....*smiles*

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 21:19:07 pm CDT
LH we all have are ways of treating are slaves
I respect your opiouion
But as they say on earth opinion are
Like asshole
We all have them

Rollo the Ax 21:19:17 pm CDT
BUT, Lion Heart..... what is good for the goose need be also good for the gander...... you seem to the kajira to live in abject fear..... but when do the Free do the same huh a slave can get killed, sold, whipped, caged....at a whim..... but the Free just keep screwing up and acting like petulant children with neve the worry of answering for their misconduct..... ** I stand behind my STEEL ** yea, right except nobody can kill me unless I LET them........ too far a gap between the two classes......

aura{Hunter} 21:19:22 pm CDT
Sighs ...feel truly sad....

peanut {Lita~HLH} 21:19:37 pm CDT
looks to Jarl Hunter...in no way ois she questioning You...she is however making a point that should be brought for discussion...this home, in girls opinion is turning into something that the homes creators did not wish it to be...ie disneylan

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 21:20:21 pm CDT
no Jarl Keeper.

~chuckling loving a chance to say no to her Jarl.~

LionHeart of Old 21:20:52 pm CDT
See to Me that is the point Keeper --- the choice is the typist's to ENTER Gor or not -- the typist should NOT have the choice to allow their urthen morals to reshape Gor into urth.

If I go into a medieval rp site and in the midst of a sword fight draw out a bazooka I will be banned and My play ignored

subbie princesses in essence walk into Gor with bazookas and are allowed to play on

ruby~{Randolph}~t 21:21:07 pm CDT
Jarl Keeper
nothing mote from this lowly beast

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:21:20 pm CDT
~Laughing~
That does not happen often!

ayrie{Thadron} 21:21:28 pm CDT
~giggles at mistress
None from this one, Jarl Keeper

peanut {Lita~HLH} 21:21:49 pm CDT
smiles to Him and then to her own Master...its for Him to decide Jarl...girl is being respectful to You and to the men here...if she cant make a point in a room that allows it...then we shouldn't keep the room

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 21:22:36 pm CDT
Shakes my I am done Keeper
No more

moira {Venator} 21:22:44 pm CDT
Hides her face in Master Venator's shoulder, as the familiar ctiticsm rages on

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 21:22:53 pm CDT
LH, i think it was a clver way to show that commitment.

maddie~anne 21:23:02 pm CDT
~silently shakes her head in answering Jarl Keeper~

Jarl Hunter {aura} 21:23:37 pm CDT
yes your right there LH...they do walk in and play on

Austin - Scholar- 21:23:38 pm CDT
Thank you Keeper I have no comment...

Life is too short to be anything but happy 21:23:39 pm CDT
wrapping my arm around aura
listening intently

aura{Hunter} 21:23:40 pm CDT
Feels run out of a place her Jarl is a pledged member

Bretval 21:24:02 pm CDT
An interesting Forum, Keeper... to say the least
Thank you for scibing, flicka

LionHeart of Old 21:24:02 pm CDT
I do NOT disagree that there is a problem there Rollo. I also know if teenage nerds with NO knowledge of Gor that play "video fight games" well and end up ruling Gorean rooms based on a respect for the fighting ethos and that too is BS. Ultimately the room owner (on My site) or the Council of Captains (I would think here) have to be able to kill rogues (and ban) -- but that is tricky

Rollo the Ax 21:24:12 pm CDT
I think that for now, we must all agree to just disagree on some of the finer points or such...... that sound fair ??

aurora{Blackthorne} 21:24:24 pm CDT
thank You Jarl for allowing a girl to come and listen to forum
the Creators ...a girl believes would be proud of GS these days...it's thriving

aura{Hunter} 21:24:38 pm CDT
Cuddles lovely mirren as we warm Jarl Hunters lap...purrs softly

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:25:09 pm CDT
The mere fact we are here sitting behind a screen and a keyboard mean that we to some extent or another are reshaping Gor into Urth, or to be more accurate reshaping Urth into something that the majority of members of this site are happy to call an approximation of Gor. There in lies the crux of the matter. It is what the members what. If they are unhappy then The Council can and has changed things to suit what the society we have created want.

Kazar~infamous pirate.~( 21:25:21 pm CDT
LH banning can be done ~`~

Zoran Merchant ~Mentor~ 21:25:43 pm CDT
Thank you Keeper
Thank you for scribing flika

aura{Hunter} 21:26:05 pm CDT
So wise Jarl Keeper ... Nods soft

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:26:27 pm CDT
This Forum is now closed.

galah{RA} 21:26:38 pm CDT
**deep sigh** but gal did LOVE those quotes Jarl Keeper

peanut {Lita~HLH} 21:26:45 pm CDT
looks to Master Rollo with a simple nod in agreement

Venator-Warrior 21:26:52 pm CDT
Thank you for leading, Keeper.
Thank you for scribing flicka.

moira {Venator} 21:26:56 pm CDT
Thank You for leading Jarl Keeper
Thanks for scribing mistress

maddie~anne 21:27:09 pm CDT
This one thanks You for leading Jarl Keeper...too, thank you for scribing, mistress...

~smiles softly~

PAX 21:27:11 pm CDT
Thank you Keeper
Thank you for scribing flika
Very helpful

ruby~{Randolph}~t 21:27:16 pm CDT
thank You Jarl Keeper for leading a lively Forum
mistress flicka for scribing

Austin - Scholar- 21:27:27 pm CDT
Thank you Keeper for leading the Forum

flicka thank you for scribing

ayrie{Thadron} 21:27:35 pm CDT
Thank You for leading, Jarl Keeper
Thank You for scribing most marvelous mistress

Kazar~infamous pirate.~( 21:27:40 pm CDT
Keeper always good seeing one ~ lil monster is away so flicks nips are safe lol

flicka~ slave of Keeper. ~GS~ fg. 21:27:42 pm CDT
~hearing the wisdom of her Jarl and shivering in the pleasure of being owned by Him.~

Thank You Jarl for leading forum.

Jarl Thorrn, Captain & Slavemaster 21:28:21 pm CDT
Thank You Keeper for leading and flicka for scribing *S*S*S

OriginalSandman_Builder/ Sr. Captain of GS 21:28:21 pm CDT
thank you for leading forum Brother

and thanks to our scribe

Jarl Hunter {aura} 21:28:27 pm CDT
Thanks Brother Captain Friend Keeper....*L*

flicka ....thankyou sweet one

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:28:41 pm CDT
Thank you flicka for scribing
Thank you all for your contributions and attendance.

Kazar~infamous pirate.~( 21:28:42 pm CDT
Jarl Keeper thansk for leading and flicka for scribing

natasha{Zoran} 21:28:43 pm CDT
thank You for leading Jarl Keeper and beautiful mistress for scribing

Rollo the Ax 21:28:51 pm CDT
Good forum, Keeper....... Thanks for running it......

Jarl Keeper ~ Captain ~ Scholar 21:29:33 pm CDT
Rollo, a special thank you Brother.
Thank you for being here.

aura{Hunter} 21:29:51 pm CDT
Thank you Jarl Keeper for leading... mistress flicka for scribing...