July 28, 2009
Hi my name is Adelbert and I attended last weekend's Portland LoveTribe
event. Unfortunately, I was told that I acted inappropriately in two
different instances. This was indeed my first LoveTribe event, and it
seems I became "overly-excited". I just want to apologize to all that
heard about this. Especially the event coordinator and my longtime
friend of 4 years who abandoned me as a result, as I'm sure word got
spread around like wildfire already. The way I acted is absolutely not
the way I wanted to act. If there is anyone who can give me
relationship help and otherwise how to treat women in the best way
possible, I would greatly appreciate a response. Again I am sorry for
all the hurt I have caused and I hope there is at least the slightest
possibility that I will be able to create a loving relationship in the
near future with LoveTribe's help. Thanks for reading. :'-(
Since you put yourself out there and asked for help... here it is (again).
You wrote:
"If there is anyone who can give me relationship help and otherwise how
to treat women in the best way possible, I would greatly appreciate a
response."
Some of us have already tried to help you. The
problem is you don't listen... to anything, nor do you act upon the
suggestions given to you. It's not just about having a relationship
(romantically, intimately, or even as a friend relationship). It's
about shaping your life so that you can be a better person so that all
the other things in life fall into place.
I'm not one who
thinks I know it all, or whatever, but I will say I HAVE lived in this
life and as far as relationships go- I can write books upon books about
all kinds of relationships (friends, enemies, betrayal, intimacy,
romance, sex, or whatever).
Let's go back to the beginning of what you're looking for... "relationship help" and "how to treat women".
1) Listen. 2) Listen to your elders. 3) Don't listen (or limit your listening) to those who are younger than you.
4) Change your life FIRST before you try to obtain relationship help or
knowledge on how to treat women. Everything else should fall into place
afterwards. 5) Have MORE self-esteem than you already have. 6)
If you have a receding hair-line and are worried about hair-loss, SHAVE
YOUR HEAD. Most bald men look great because that is who they are and
they make themselves look great. 7) Don't complain AFTER you asked
for help or when you say your life is all messed up and disorganized
when someone or some people offer suggestions and then you don't take
their advice. 8) Although this relates to #4 above... (changing
your life)... understand that money is not everything and can't make
you happy, but it does offer some sense of stability and security. If
you're not making enough money, look for a better job. You're lucky
enough to have a day off during the week sometime to schedule
interviews. You should put your resume out there and if you're called
in for an interview, try to schedule it for the day you have off. Then,
you'll slowly move up the ladder to have a better income, better things
that you can purchase that can help you change your life, and your days
of partying can still continue on the weekends... once you have a
Monday through Friday job. It won't screw up your internal clock as far
as your timing of your sleep, etc. 9) Get organized with your own
personal life (and your clutter, etc.): a) Throw it away, b) Give it
away, c) Sell it, d) Store it, or e) Keep it. Once you meet someone and
you invite that woman (even men, friends, etc.) over to your place, the
energy you put out in your HOME is a reflection of who you are. If they
see clutter or your place being a mess, they'll know your life is a
mess. If they see that you're clean, that your home is well-taken care
of, and that you're organized, it will make the company you have over
feel very comfortable with you and your surroundings. 9) Don't
contradict your own actions and what you say. You've said in the past
that you're healthy, that you're into healthy eating and drinking, but
yet you still choose to smoke spliffs (with tobacco) and tobacco causes
cancer and it's definitelyl NOT good for you or anyone. Be healthy.
Ganja is ok, tobacco is not. 10) FIND THE BEAUTY inside of women,
even though they may not have that "Hollywood / L.A." glamour look like
some people want. There are many, MANY women who are really very
beautiful on the outside and just sort of ordinary or plain or cute or
pretty on the outside, but when you start talking to that person and
find out how beautiful they are on the inside, then their WHOLE
persona, energy, etc. is completely much more beautiful than those
women with better looks on the outside. (Unless those women who have
the beautiful looks on the outside are also beautiful on the inside.)
11) Get to know the woman (women) by asking questions. Be frank, but
not rude. Slowly ask questions, but not too many at one time. 12)
Offer to meet them in a setting where there will be other friends
around and things that you both (and your friends and her friends) can
enjoy. 13) After a few outings of meeting that person in public or
at get-togethers, ask them if they want to go walk in the park, shop at
the farmer's market, COOK A MEAL TOGETHER, rent a movie, but mainly-
get to know each other. 14) Watch a LOT of romantic movies and sink
yourself into the movie so that you can relate on how a man is supposed
to treat a woman, how a woman is supposed to treat a man, etc. I know
it's cheesy- but they help. It's kind of like being "programmed", but
don't be fake about anything. LEARN. Romance and loving is actually
very easy... but, you'll find that some out there want to complicate
things and complicate "love" by stirring up problems that have nothing
to do with love or the way two people interact. 15) Surround
yourself with GOOD people, good energy, and toss the bad energy out and
get rid of your toxic friends. Some of us have been loyal to you and
others have not. Then, you come down on those who have been loyal to
you, and don't do anything with those who have screwed you over. In a
nutshell... have some balls (or grow them) and face up ("man up") to
those people and don't take sh-- from anyone.
I could go on
and on, but I think 15 suggestions are good for now. Please understand
that I'm definitely not an "expert" on relationships. However, given
the experience that I have had, all the hurt, all the romance, all the
good times and the bad... I know what's good and when there's good
energy, good people, etc.
Please don't come down on me for
offering suggestions on relationship help. Relationship help is not
just necessarily pointed towards the opposite sex, but with ALL humans.
Changing your life and getting things done that are positive in your
life helps. Don't try to fix the ship in the harbor so it can sail
again if you don't have the water for the ship to sail in. Go to the
source (the root) of the problem. Don't be influenced by those who
think they know or say that they know... evaluate, LISTEN, take it all
in (all the options that everyone gives you) and then pick and choose
those from a list and if they don't work, go back to the list and try
something else.
I don't want to seem like I'm picking your exhaustive advice (or anyone else's) apart, but I would like to suggest that watching romantic movies might not be the best way to figure out how to have a real world romance.
Hollywood movies especially tend to present a specific kind of relationship dynamic that isn't necessarily reflective of the world actual men and women live in.
IMO, romance movies are to relationships what pornography is to sex; they reflect some of reality but they're artistic interpretations of it, not to be taken literally although there can be tips and hints and specific actions worth experimenting with.
I think the very best advice that you offered in your list of recommendations was to listen. Listening, watching, asking questions and doing self-inventory have been pretty useful to me throughout my life. Of course, as is so often the case, the devil's in the details. :-)
-- Theresa
TribalMutt@LoveTribe.org wrote:
> 14) Watch a LOT of romantic movies and sink yourself into the
movie so that you can relate on how a man is supposed to treat a woman,
how a woman is supposed to treat a man, etc. I know it's cheesy- but
they help. It's kind of like being "programmed", but don't be fake
about anything. LEARN. Romance and loving is actually very easy... but,
you'll find that some out there want to complicate things and
complicate "love" by stirring up problems that have nothing to do with
love or the way two people interact.
"but I would like to suggest that watching romantic movies might not be
the best way to figure out how to have a real world romance"
I never mentioned that they would be the "best" way to figure out how
to have a real world romance. I do know that I've seen a lot since I
was around 4 or 5 years of age, and with my parents' help and watching
either t.v., movies, and being involved in relationships (looking up to
couples when I was younger and in actual relationships that I've
had)... it does help.
They may not be the best source, but yet there is a genuine level there that is true. Example:
Forever Young (Mel Gibson):
After many years of thinking that the woman he was engaged to had died
and then he became frozen, when he awoke, he searched all over to find
her and it may have been years down the road where he became old, but
in the end he proved how much he loved her and that he would travel any
distance.
I've traveled around the world 3 times for love...
THOUSANDS of miles, and it goes to show you that anyone can fall in
love with anyone else way off in far off lands. However, if one is not
honest with the other person, then- that throws everything out of the
window.
I met you the other day at your work and you seemed like a very nice
person. Sometimes, through how we're raised or other life
circumstances, we make mistakes in how we interact with people. Try not
to beat yourself up over what happened, but look it as a learning
experience for what not to do in the future. Just speaking from my own
experience, I can suggest taking college courses on Psychology because
they really taught me a lot about people and how to understand them
better (I was raised on a farm by animals, my parents ignored me, I
UNDERSTAND how hard it can be to "get" people sometimes!) We all make
mistakes, that's how we grow. *hugs*
And to Marcus, I think
some of your comments are personal and I would never bring up personal
things of that nature about my friends in a public forum. I think it
comes off as very passive agressive and doesn't work to support your
friend. I don't have time to pick it all apart right now, but I don't
think the kind of comments about how you think he should live his life
are appropriate Love Tribe material. You seem to have a lot of
confidence in yourself and I can tell you right now it comes off as
arrogance. Your life isn't someone elses life, and what's right for you
may not be right for someone else, so keep that in mind. I get the
feeling that your advice has not been heeded before and you probably
get irritated with Adelbert making what you see as the same mistakes
and not doing what you want, or feel he should do, but really, it's his
life. His experience.
Perhaps you
forgot to read one of the last paragraphs when I made my original
reply. The line about "please don't come down on me for offering
suggestions on relationship help" applies to not only Adelbert, but to
everyone.
Your comments to me- are totally uncalled for. If it
was Adelbert replying, he should have been the one to reply to what I
said- not anyone else, and if he would have replied to what I said, a
simple "thank you" or "thank you, but I'll keep my options open" or
whatever would be better received.
You wrote: "I think
some of your comments are personal and I would never bring up personal
things of that nature about my friends in a public forum."
First of all, the comments are a REFLECTION of something that may seem
to be "personal" to some, but aren't since he asked for help in a
PUBLIC forum. Also, Adelbert and I are no longer friends because he has
chosen to ask me questions on how to help him in the past, and then I
made clear suggestions (by offering different options and not just one)
and then many of us hear him complain about his own life because he's
not doing anything to help his own life and doesn't listen to the
advice given to him (and it's not just me).
You also wrote: "I think it comes off as very passive agressive and doesn't work to support your friend."
You're walking on very thin ice and you need to take a giant leap back
before the real, "terrible" Marcas bites your head off. I'm not
"terrible" in any way, and you and many others don't know me, nor my
life... so in a nutshell- please watch your comments and think before
you speak or write. It's NOT "passive aggressive". YOUR comments
however- are. I MADE, OFFERED suggestions on what HE can do. I'm not
getting mad at him if he does NOT choose what I want, or feels what I
feel, etc. NO ONE can ever feel what I feel because I'm so far beyond
the depth that mankind can never imagine having in their own lives.
Again... he chose to end our friendship after 5 years, not me. He also
came down on those that are close to him, while others were screwing
him over and I pointed that out on 3 separate occasions and he has
STILL yet to actually confront someone else (the 3rd person) that
screwed him over recently.
You also wrote: "I don't have time to pick it all apart right now"
Then, don't. I can already see that you haven't practiced the "seek to understand first" rule.
You also wrote: "I don't think the kind of comments about how you think he should live his life are appropriate Love Tribe material."
I don't "think" he should live his live in any way that is not suitable
for his own growth. We ALL have our own opionions on how we should live
our own lives, opinions on how others should live their life... just to
get them going in a direction that is positive (not negative), and in
the end... it's our opinion, our advice... and ultimately- the decision
will be up to Adelbert (or whomever that we're trying to help out).
Seek to understand first. You haven't.
You also wrote: "You seem to have a lot of confidence in yourself and I can tell you right now it comes off as arrogance."
Yep- there you go again. Acusations can really rub me the wrong way, so
if you want to start a flame war... be my guest, but you'll end up
getting reamed by the worst. Don't go there. I am very confident in
everything I do. I assure you and all others that I'm not
"overly-confident", NOR am I arrogant. Arrogance is cockiness also, and
one being proud, etc. I'm not proud of the things that I've done in
certain areas in my life, but I am proud of my survival and the turmoil
that I've gotten over. Unfortunately- these days I have even more and
for 34+ years now... there hasn't been any help for me... people don't
know my life and people who are negative and who have bad energy- like
you have in your post above... which shows COMPLETELY BAD ENERGY... can
just leave my a-- alone. I avoide confrontation at all cost, but if I'm
right and most of the time I am (and there have been times where I have
been wrong, so I am not right all the time)... I will fight like crazy
to prove my point because mainly I want justice and want what is wrong
corrected. If I am in the wrong, I apologize. Even when I take it to be
consideration and I know that I'm not wrong, I STILL apologize... just
to make amends. So, you don't know me, nor does anyone, and because of
your comments that ARE attacking me... again- you need to take a giant
leap backwards before you stir up more conflict between you and I as
well as others on the list.
You also wrote: "Your life isn't someone elses life"
Well.... DUH... no kidding. That's a fact we all know. And, YOUR life
isn't my life, nor Adelbert's life. You don't know what has transpired
the last few months or years with Adelbert... and you need to realize
that you should be helping Adelbert, but not attacking those who make
suggestions to him.
You also wrote: "...and what's right for you may not be right for someone else, so keep that in mind."
I already knew that. How old are you again? Oh... I see... 27. That's
right... most people I talk to in their 30s, 40s, and 50s+ have ALWAYS
told me that people in their 20s still think they know it all, but they
haven't lived until they actually get to 30+. I'm an ancient soul, and
you definitely have NOT respected your elders and are not respecting me
because of what you're THINKING that I'm doing and you don't understand
the depth behind it. It kind of reminds me of today's youth and those
who disrespect their parents and others who are older than them that
are in our society. It's like a poster that I've seen that said
something like... "Pioneers are the ones that planted the seed that
built the trees. Slackers are the ones that rest in the shade." It
appears quite clearly that you're the slacker... because everytihng is
FILTERED down to a level where you don't understand the depth behind
the actual relationships that are formed, were formed, or that will be
formed. Again, my advice to you is to watch your step.
You also wrote:
"I get the feeling that your advice has not been heeded before and you
probably get irritated with Adelbert making what you see as the same
mistakes and not doing what you want"
No... that's where
you're wrong. It's not a matter of Adelbert NOT doing what I want. It's
the fact that he has asked for advice in the past and everyone gives it
to him and he doesn't act on ANY advice from anyone... and THEN he
complains about it. If he asks for advice and people give him the
advice and he doesn't act on anything... then, he can only blame
himself and he should NOT be complaining then afterwards because he's
contradicting his own belief system subconsciously- talking and acting
in circles. It's like the cliche about "it doesn't matter what the
destination is, but what was most important- the journey along the
way." It doesn't matter what his final decision was, but if he's asking
for help from many, and people are giving him help, some of us have
lived and want to help. Again- in the end- it'll be HIS decision, not
Marcas'. You obviously forgot my other line above- "Don't be influenced
by those who think they know or say that they know... evaluate, LISTEN,
take it all in (all the options that everyone gives you) and then pick
and choose those from a list and if they don't work, go back to the
list and try something else". The "ick and choose" portion of that is
the light suggestion. Deal with it.
You also wrote: "...or feel he should do, but really, it's his life. His experience."
No kidding... that sounds so ridiculous how you put that. All along I
thought it was YOUR life that he was dealing with. Wow.
July 28, 2009
Oh my god. I was right to think you're an asshole when you first messaged me Marcus. Thanks for confirming my intuition.
You think because you're in your 40's you know everything and you're an
"ancient soul"? Get over yourself. Nobody is special, we're all just
here stumbling along in life trying to get by. You don't know anything
about me, or my life experiences, and you judge me by my age? If you're
still hung up on the "Age equals wisdom" thing at 43, you still have a
lot to learn. You're still a child, everything about you screams that.
Self-absorbed, infantile, pathetic. I'm done with you, flame me all you
want, but you're an asshole, a drama queen and a total flake. I want
nothing further to do with you.
Okay ya'll, what was suppose to be a plea for advice is turning into something far from that.
Let's love one another, and respect each others comments, even if we
don't agree. Let's end it here. I'd like to suggest, those with advice
for Adelbert send it directly to him.
Peace, Love, and Snuggly Goodness Torria
--- On Tue, 7/28/09, TribalMutt@LoveTribe.org wrote:
From: TribalMutt@LoveTribe.org Subject: [COMMUNITY] Magic Thighs' Comments To: earthdaughter333@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:42 PM
Magic Thighs-
Perhaps you forgot to read one of the last paragraphs when I made my
original reply. The line about "please don't come down on me for
offering suggestions on relationship help" applies to not only
Adelbert, but to everyone.
Your comments to me- are totally
uncalled for. If it was Adelbert replying, he should have been
the one to reply to what I said- not anyone else, and if he would have
replied to what I said, a simple "thank you" or "thank you, but I'll
keep my options open" or whatever would be better received.
You wrote:
"I think some of your comments are personal and I would never bring up
personal things of that nature about my friends in a public forum."
First of all, the comments are a REFLECTION of something that may seem
to be "personal" to some, but aren't since he asked for help in a
PUBLIC forum. Also, Adelbert and I are no longer friends because
he has chosen to ask me questions on how to help him in the past, and
then I made clear suggestions (by offering different options and not
just one) and then many of us hear him complain about his own life
because he's not doing anything to help his own life and doesn't listen
to the advice given to him (and it's not just me).
You also wrote: "I think it comes off as very passive agressive and doesn't work to support your friend."
You're walking on very thin ice and you need to take a giant leap back
before the real, "terrible" Marcas bites your head off. I'm not
"terrible" in any way, and you and many others don't know me, nor my
life... so in a nutshell- please watch your comments and think before
you speak or write. It's NOT "passive aggressive". YOUR
comments however- are. I MADE, OFFERED suggestions on what HE can
do. I'm not getting mad at him if he does NOT choose what I want,
or feels what I feel, etc. NO ONE can ever feel what I feel
because I'm so far beyond the depth that mankind can never imagine
having in their own lives. Again... he chose to end our
friendship after 5 years, not me. He also came down on those that
are close to him, while others were screwing him over and I pointed
that out on 3 separate occasions and he has STILL yet to actually
confront someone else (the 3rd person) that screwed him over recently.
You also wrote: "I don't have time to pick it all apart right now"
Then, don't. I can already see that you haven't practiced the "seek to understand first" rule.
You also wrote: "I don't think the kind of comments about how you think he should live his life are appropriate Love Tribe material."
I don't "think" he should live his live in any way that is not suitable
for his own growth. We ALL have our own opionions on how we
should live our own lives, opinions on how others should live their
life... just to get them going in a direction that is positive (not
negative), and in the end... it's our opinion, our advice... and
ultimately- the decision will be up to Adelbert (or whomever that we're
trying to help out). Seek to understand first. You haven't.
You also wrote: "You seem to have a lot of confidence in yourself and I can tell you right now it comes off as arrogance."
Yep- there you go again. Acusations can really rub me the wrong
way, so if you want to start a flame war... be my guest, but you'll end
up getting reamed by the worst. Don't go there. I am very
confident in everything I do. I assure you and all others that
I'm not "overly-confident", NOR am I arrogant. Arrogance is
cockiness also, and one being proud, etc. I'm not proud of the
things that I've done in certain areas in my life, but I am proud of my
survival and the turmoil that I've gotten over. Unfortunately-
these days I have even more and for 34+ years now... there hasn't been
any help for me... people don't know my life and people who are
negative and who have bad energy- like you have in your post above...
which shows COMPLETELY BAD ENERGY... can just leave my a-- alone.
I avoide confrontation at all cost, but if I'm right and most of the
time I am (and there have been times where I have been wrong, so I am
not right all the time)... I will fight like crazy to prove my
point because mainly I want justice and want what is wrong
corrected. If I am in the wrong, I apologize. Even when I
take it to be consideration and I know that I'm not wrong, I STILL
apologize... just to make amends. So, you don't know me, nor does
anyone, and because of your comments that ARE attacking me... again-
you need to take a giant leap backwards before you stir up more
conflict between you and I as well as others on the list.
You also wrote: "Your life isn't someone elses life"
Well.... DUH... no kidding. That's a fact we all know. And,
YOUR life isn't my life, nor Adelbert's life. You don't know what
has transpired the last few months or years with Adelbert... and you
need to realize that you should be helping Adelbert, but not attacking
those who make suggestions to him.
You also wrote: "...and what's right for you may not be right for someone else, so keep that in mind."
I already knew that. How old are you again? Oh... I see...
27. That's right... most people I talk to in their 30s, 40s, and
50s+ have ALWAYS told me that people in their 20s still think they know
it all, but they haven't lived until they actually get to 30+.
I'm an ancient soul, and you definitely have NOT respected your elders
and are not respecting me because of what you're THINKING that I'm
doing and you don't understand the depth behind it. It kind of
reminds me of today's youth and those who disrespect their parents and
others who are older than them that are in our society. It's like
a poster that I've seen that said something like... "Pioneers are the
ones that planted the seed that built the trees. Slackers are the ones
that rest in the shade." It appears quite clearly that you're the
slacker... because everytihng is FILTERED down to a level where you
don't understand the depth behind the actual relationships that are
formed, were formed, or that will be formed. Again, my advice to you is to watch your step.
You also wrote:
"I get the feeling that your advice has not been heeded before and you
probably get irritated with Adelbert making what you see as the same
mistakes and not doing what you want"
No... that's where
you're wrong. It's not a matter of Adelbert NOT doing what I
want. It's the fact that he has asked for advice in the past and
everyone gives it to him and he doesn't act on ANY advice from
anyone... and THEN he complains about it. If he asks for advice
and people give him the advice and he doesn't act on anything... then,
he can only blame himself and he should NOT be complaining then
afterwards because he's contradicting his own belief system
subconsciously- talking and acting in circles. It's like the
cliche about "it doesn't matter what the destination is, but what was
most important- the journey along the way." It doesn't matter
what his final decision was, but if he's asking for help from many, and
people are giving him help, some of us have lived and want to
help. Again- in the end- it'll be HIS decision, not
Marcas'. You obviously forgot my other line above- "Don't be
influenced by those who think they know or say that they know...
evaluate, LISTEN, take it all in (all the options that everyone gives
you) and then pick and choose those from a list and if they don't work,
go back to the list and try something else". The "ick and choose"
portion of that is the light suggestion. Deal with it.
You also wrote: "...or feel he should do, but really, it's his life. His experience."
No kidding... that sounds so ridiculous how you put that. All
along I thought it was YOUR life that he was dealing with.
Wow.
ugh! i never speak up on these things but guys...please, can you take
your toxic feud elsewhere? lovetribe administrators, is there any way
to block this thread? or must i manually delete these emails?jack
--- On Tue, 7/28/09, TribalMutt@LoveTribe.org wrote:
From: TribalMutt@LoveTribe.org Subject: [COMMUNITY] Magic Thighs' Comments To: jkzsheep@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:42 PM
Magic Thighs-
Perhaps you forgot to read one of the last paragraphs when I made my
original reply. The line about "please don't come down on me for
offering suggestions on relationship help" applies to not only
Adelbert, but to everyone.
Your comments to me- are totally
uncalled for. If it was Adelbert replying, he should have been
the one to reply to what I said- not anyone else, and if he would have
replied to what I said, a simple "thank you" or "thank you, but I'll
keep my options open" or whatever would be better received.
You wrote:
"I think some of your comments are personal and I would never bring up
personal things of that nature about my friends in a public forum."
First of all, the comments are a REFLECTION of something that may seem
to be "personal" to some, but aren't since he asked for help in a
PUBLIC forum. Also, Adelbert and I are no longer friends because
he has chosen to ask me questions on how to help him in the past, and
then I made clear suggestions (by offering different options and not
just one) and then many of us hear him complain about his own life
because he's not doing anything to help his own life and doesn't listen
to the advice given to him (and it's not just me).
You also wrote: "I think it comes off as very passive agressive and doesn't work to support your friend."
You're walking on very thin ice and you need to take a giant leap back
before the real, "terrible" Marcas bites your head off. I'm not
"terrible" in any way, and you and many others don't know me, nor my
life... so in a nutshell- please watch your comments and think before
you speak or write. It's NOT "passive aggressive". YOUR
comments however- are. I MADE, OFFERED suggestions on what HE can
do. I'm not getting mad at him if he does NOT choose what I want,
or feels what I feel, etc. NO ONE can ever feel what I feel
because I'm so far beyond the depth that mankind can never imagine
having in their own lives. Again... he chose to end our
friendship after 5 years, not me. He also came down on those that
are close to him, while others were screwing him over and I pointed
that out on 3 separate occasions and he has STILL yet to actually
confront someone else (the 3rd person) that screwed him over recently.
You also wrote: "I don't have time to pick it all apart right now"
Then, don't. I can already see that you haven't practiced the "seek to understand first" rule.
You also wrote: "I don't think the kind of comments about how you think he should live his life are appropriate Love Tribe material."
I don't "think" he should live his live in any way that is not suitable
for his own growth. We ALL have our own opionions on how we
should live our own lives, opinions on how others should live their
life... just to get them going in a direction that is positive (not
negative), and in the end... it's our opinion, our advice... and
ultimately- the decision will be up to Adelbert (or whomever that we're
trying to help out). Seek to understand first. You haven't.
You also wrote: "You seem to have a lot of confidence in yourself and I can tell you right now it comes off as arrogance."
Yep- there you go again. Acusations can really rub me the wrong
way, so if you want to start a flame war... be my guest, but you'll end
up getting reamed by the worst. Don't go there. I am very
confident in everything I do. I assure you and all others that
I'm not "overly-confident", NOR am I arrogant. Arrogance is
cockiness also, and one being proud, etc. I'm not proud of the
things that I've done in certain areas in my life, but I am proud of my
survival and the turmoil that I've gotten over. Unfortunately-
these days I have even more and for 34+ years now... there hasn't been
any help for me... people don't know my life and people who are
negative and who have bad energy- like you have in your post above...
which shows COMPLETELY BAD ENERGY... can just leave my a-- alone.
I avoide confrontation at all cost, but if I'm right and most of the
time I am (and there have been times where I have been wrong, so I am
not right all the time)... I will fight like crazy to prove my
point because mainly I want justice and want what is wrong
corrected. If I am in the wrong, I apologize. Even when I
take it to be consideration and I know that I'm not wrong, I STILL
apologize... just to make amends. So, you don't know me, nor does
anyone, and because of your comments that ARE attacking me... again-
you need to take a giant leap backwards before you stir up more
conflict between you and I as well as others on the list.
You also wrote: "Your life isn't someone elses life"
Well.... DUH... no kidding. That's a fact we all know. And,
YOUR life isn't my life, nor Adelbert's life. You don't know what
has transpired the last few months or years with Adelbert... and you
need to realize that you should be helping Adelbert, but not attacking
those who make suggestions to him.
You also wrote: "...and what's right for you may not be right for someone else, so keep that in mind."
I already knew that. How old are you again? Oh... I see...
27. That's right... most people I talk to in their 30s, 40s, and
50s+ have ALWAYS told me that people in their 20s still think they know
it all, but they haven't lived until they actually get to 30+.
I'm an ancient soul, and you definitely have NOT respected your elders
and are not respecting me because of what you're THINKING that I'm
doing and you don't understand the depth behind it. It kind of
reminds me of today's youth and those who disrespect their parents and
others who are older than them that are in our society. It's like
a poster that I've seen that said something like... "Pioneers are the
ones that planted the seed that built the trees. Slackers are the ones
that rest in the shade." It appears quite clearly that you're the
slacker... because everytihng is FILTERED down to a level where you
don't understand the depth behind the actual relationships that are
formed, were formed, or that will be formed. Again, my advice to you is to watch your step.
You also wrote:
"I get the feeling that your advice has not been heeded before and you
probably get irritated with Adelbert making what you see as the same
mistakes and not doing what you want"
No... that's where
you're wrong. It's not a matter of Adelbert NOT doing what I
want. It's the fact that he has asked for advice in the past and
everyone gives it to him and he doesn't act on ANY advice from
anyone... and THEN he complains about it. If he asks for advice
and people give him the advice and he doesn't act on anything... then,
he can only blame himself and he should NOT be complaining then
afterwards because he's contradicting his own belief system
subconsciously- talking and acting in circles. It's like the
cliche about "it doesn't matter what the destination is, but what was
most important- the journey along the way." It doesn't matter
what his final decision was, but if he's asking for help from many, and
people are giving him help, some of us have lived and want to
help. Again- in the end- it'll be HIS decision, not
Marcas'. You obviously forgot my other line above- "Don't be
influenced by those who think they know or say that they know...
evaluate, LISTEN, take it all in (all the options that everyone gives
you) and then pick and choose those from a list and if they don't work,
go back to the list and try something else". The "ick and choose"
portion of that is the light suggestion. Deal with it.
You also wrote: "...or feel he should do, but really, it's his life. His experience."
No kidding... that sounds so ridiculous how you put that. All
along I thought it was YOUR life that he was dealing with.
Wow.
July 28, 2009
ugh! i never speak up on these things but guys...please, can you take
your toxic feud elsewhere? lovetribe administrators, is there any way
to block this thread? or must i manually delete these emails? jack
MagicThighs' FIRST comments were uncalled for... and then she posted another attacking message to me?
This is LOVETRIBE.ORG... NOT HateTribe.org MagicThighs.
MagicThighs wrote: "Oh my god. I was right to think you're an asshole when you first messaged me Marcus. Thanks for confirming my intuition."
First off- I am not an asshole... I'm far from that. I COULD be if one
wants me to be or brings it out of me as you're doing, but you haven't
had the patience to be KIND, and SWEET and your ENERGY fucking sucks
and you don't even deserve to be replying to any of this thread.
And, I was right to think you were a cold-hearted bitch from hell with
no compassion, empathy, nor understanding when I only LOOKED at your
pic and then when I received the message in an email from you. Thanks
back to you for confirming my intuition all along. I'm glad I'm highly
intuitive being the Scorpio that I am. Oh and by the way- go fuck
yourself.
MagicThighs also wrote: "You think because you're in your 40's you know everything"
YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT I THINK OR NOT THINK OR WHAT I KNOW OR
DON'T KNOW. My cliche is that I know a LOT about a LOT of things, but
do not know it all. You have no clue as to who I am, what my actions
are, etc. YOU are the type of people that don't even belong on
LOVETRIBE.ORG or in LOVETRIBE. You're obviously full of hatred and
insecurity. You obviously need to be loved because the people around
you are not actually fulfilling your inner needs.
MagicThighs also wrote: ..."and you're an "ancient soul"? Get over yourself."
You have NO IDEA who I am. I feel so sorry for you - you lost child.
MagicThighs also wrote: "Nobody is special, we're all just here stumbling along in life trying to get by."
Oh really? No one is special is something I agree with, but some of us
(if not many of us) DO have special qualities. You're just too ignorant
to recognize one's teachings because you refuse to listen and you're
not like a sponge. YOU get over yourself bitch!
MagicThighs also wrote: "You don't know anything about me, or my life experiences, and you judge me by my age?"
You fucking judged me by what I wrote you contradicting bitch!!! Fuck off.
MagicThighs also wrote: "If you're still hung up on the "Age equals wisdom" thing at 43, you still have a lot to learn."
Right... and I'm not by the way because I already know that a child of
the 2x2s has more wisdom than the Pope. If you knew what I was talking
about and knew of it by experiencing it, you would agree. Since you
don't... you're just as ignorant as most humans.
MagicThighs also wrote: "You're still a child, everything about you screams that. Self-absorbed, infantile, pathetic."
You are so way off the mark - YOU ARE PATHETIC. I'm far from
"self-absorbed" as I'm a GIVER... not a TAKER like you. I'm also far
from being infantile and pathetic. Go fuck yourself again and again.
You are definitely a diabolical little whore that causes bad energy and
brings out the WORST in people. Here I thought that mankind - all of us
are supposed to be OPTIMISTIC and your antagonistic behavior proves
that you're just a bitch that isn't being pleased the correct way. I
feel very sorry for your ass.
MagicThighs also wrote: "I'm done with you, flame me all you want, but you're an asshole, a drama queen and a total flake."
Your words are funny and absolutely incorrect. You could easily be sued
for defamation of character, and you have every right to be. If you
decide to flame me again bitch, you'll be reported for harrassment to
the authorities whether or not the administrators warn you or not. You
obviously don't know what "FLAKE" means. I don't flake out on anyone,
I'm definitely NOT a "drama queen" because you don't know my fucking
life nor my "drama", turmoil, and me being victimized and all the
bullshit that I've gone through... so, again- go fuck yourself.
MagicThighs also wrote: "I want nothing further to do with you."
Then, shut the fuck up.
To eveyrone else that HAS positive energy... I'm definitely NOT an
asshole... and I've proved that again with meeting someone very special
this last weekend and I was myself (as I am always) and that person
recognized and respected the REAL me... the one that is very loving,
respectful, understanding, patient, supportive, empathetic,
compassionate, sincere, romantic, gentle, kind and true. If everyone
reads MagicThighs' first post to me (which should have never happened),
then all of you would know that she was way out of line.
I have no desire to ever hear from your sorry ass again MagicThighs. I'll pray for you.
July 29, 2009
So let me summarize what happened here:
Someone asked for help. Marcus says things that are uncalled for. I say
it's uncalled for, which it was. He writes a novella, I reply in kind
to his novella. And then he goes off again. Yes, moderators, please
feel free to delete the past few comments. Apparently when you disagree
with certain people this is what happens.
Marcus - Please look
up "Defamation of Character". If someone stating an opinion on an
internet forum counted, the courts would be full of stupid cases.
For those that are "atheists", "agnostic"... this doesn't apply to you.
Go to God for mankind, not to mankind for mankind.
Meaning, take your problems to God (pray about whatever it is that you
need or want and it will be in HIS will if He grants that, not your
will). When one takes their problems to mankind, they'll be
disappointed everytime. When one thinks that they are not disappointed,
then- they're only illusioned by something that seems right or feels
right or is in their "gut instinct", but in reality is so far off the
mark that it only appears to be working.
Looks are deceiving,
and the devil works in ways unimaginable. I would suggesting getting on
your knees at bedtime and actually believing in God and praying to God
and thanking HIM for what you have (and even what you don't have). This
is NOT our life... it's a life that HE has chosen for us and we must do
the best we can to please Him.
The mistake gets made when
people think that this life is THEIR life. When everyone is in it for
themselves, that's the wrong approach. This life is not about what's in
it for us, but what we can do for others.
She wanted nothing more to do with me, she shouldn't have responded.
What irritates me is ignorant people who DON'T get to know me. Many
people can tell you what a wonderful man I am and I already know that I
am because of my depth and my FEELING. It's NOT arrogance. Because I'm
so diverse... into many things across this globe- sports, politics,
MUSIC, CULTURE, backgrounds, ethnicities, HISTORY, and can speak a
little of 6 languages, I make my friendship with other people,
cultures, lifestyles, etc. easy-going and very laid-back.
If anyone has a problem with getting along with me, then- they obviously have some serious issues with themselves.
What also irritates me and angers me is being accused of something that
I didn't do, being accused of something I'm not, or someone I'm not...
and those that are shallow.
If I was an asshole- or mean for
that matter, I could easily defame MagicThighs' name across the
internet and message boards, forums and websites, communities, etc. and
I guess that would be my "opinion" but in reality a fact in which I
won't ever be sued whatsoever? I won't stoop that low to her level.
I forgive MagicThighs for what she said, but she obviously should have
never attacked those that offered advice. There ARE professionals on
here (two I might add and I was also quite impressed with them) that I
only mentioned that they themselves have to have that open ear (be a
sponge) so that they can even grow to become better counselors.
Everyone needs to relax and stop attacking of others. The world's
already f--ked up and stressed, and this should be a community filled
with love, not hatred.
Torria's comments were very professional and respectful. Can anyone raise the bar up to be like her? I would hope so.
July 29, 2009
A lot of us here aren't Christian, including me. I'm Pagan and so are a lot of people here.
And you're a really bad example of a Christian. I know some really
awesome ones right here on this site. You're just a liar and a weirdo.
You said:
"And, I was right to think you were a cold-hearted bitch from hell with
no compassion, empathy, nor understanding when I only LOOKED at your
pic and then when I received the message in an email from you. Thanks
back to you for confirming my intuition all along. I'm glad I'm highly
intuitive being the Scorpio that I am. Oh and by the way- go fuck
yourself."
But you contacted me. Here's the proof.
And then when I didn't respond, you wrote back.
I had to tell you I was fat to get you to leave me alone. And now
you're going NUTS on a forum. I really do think you might need to get
some help.
July 29, 2009
"She wanted nothing more to do with me, she shouldn't have responded."
The only reason I responded is because I think you might actually be
dangerous to other members of this group. You seem like a very unstable
person. In fact, I hope this thread doesn't get deleted so people can
see the crazy for themselves.
You indidate what you THINK is Christianity and it's WORLDLY PEOPLE
LIKE YOU are the ones that actually are doing the finger-pointing.
Don't get on this "religion", "religious", or "Christianity" topic.
You're obviously Pagan and you don't know anything about being a
Christian, as ALL Christians are not perfect (because there was only 1
perfect one, and we're not Him). I was also taught to love the sinner,
not the sin. Many of us Christians do sin and don't mean to, don't want
to, or we're put in situations - like these for example... that cause
us to sin.
You want nothing more to do with me? Then, STOP YOUR ANTAGONISTIC REPLIES TO ME AND LEAVE ME ALONE. THIS IS HARASSMENT.
I would like to most respectfully suggest, nay -- urge -- the "getting the last word" ballet to consider itself a metaphorical swan song that has now been sung and thus ... ends.
"I didn't bring up religion. You did, with the god thing."
I never mentinoed "religion" in the paragraph TO Adelbert... NOT you. See people? She did it again.
She is so far whacked that she needs to be institutionalized and be
strapped in her lonely white room for the rest of her life. She
obviously needs prayed for.
YOU all decide and make your
"judgements" as SHE wants you to do. This continuing "thread" - if
that's what you want to call it is NOT a help to Adelbert, and that's
what the original post is about... is helping Adelbert. As his former
friend, I still love and care about him, but I have also decided to
remove myself from toxic friends too.
Everyone should already
know that MagicThighs is extremely toxic. It's not a matter on whether
I'm unstable or stable, and people don't know survivors or victims can
lash out in anger when attacked... and that's what I've done.
She obviously doesn't know my pain and what I've been through, and
neither of you. I'm completely IN TUNE with who I am and I DO love
myself (as we're supposed to), but I don't love myself to be conceited,
arrogant, impatient, and not understanding.
She's just a joke
and I hope she continues laughing because she's obvsiously a very, VERY
rude person that has no place on this earth and should be wiped off the
face of the earth. But, that's not my decision to make and I'll pray
for those that have accused me of wrong-doing or accused me of
something I said, but didn't, or whatever.
I don't care
about what one looks like, as Adelbert and many know that I traveled
around the world for love before to be with someone who was larger
because I saw the beauty they had on the inside and they know that I'm
not shallow.
When in doubt- ask. I'm not afraid to speak my
mind, speak the truth, or whatever. I ALWAYS tell the truth, and
sometimes the truth hurts... even if people think it's opinionated, and
not facts. To each their own, as we all have our own beliefs. I don't
believe in "religion", "religious", or those that have not experienced
the 2x2s (the Truth, or the Way) because they have no meaning and no
bearing on what they say or do because they haven't gone down that
route. If they have and then they complained, then they would never
even begin to argue. So much for power of positive thinking and
believing in people that they are good... she's not.
"I didn't bring up religion. You did, with the god thing."
I never mentinoed "religion" in the paragraph TO Adelbert... NOT you. See people? She did it again.
She is so far whacked that she needs to be institutionalized and be
strapped in her lonely white room for the rest of her life. She
obviously needs prayed for.
YOU all decide and make your
"judgements" as SHE wants you to do. This continuing "thread" - if
that's what you want to call it is NOT a help to Adelbert, and that's
what the original post is about... is helping Adelbert. As his former
friend, I still love and care about him, but I have also decided to
remove myself from toxic friends too.
Everyone should already
know that MagicThighs is extremely toxic. It's not a matter on whether
I'm unstable or stable, and people don't know survivors or victims can
lash out in anger when attacked... and that's what I've done.
She obviously doesn't know my pain and what I've been through, and
neither of you. I'm completely IN TUNE with who I am and I DO love
myself (as we're supposed to), but I don't love myself to be conceited,
arrogant, impatient, and not understanding.
She's just a joke
and I hope she continues laughing because she's obvsiously a very, VERY
rude person that has no place on this earth and should be wiped off the
face of the earth. But, that's not my decision to make and I'll pray
for those that have accused me of wrong-doing or accused me of
something I said, but didn't, or whatever.
I don't care
about what one looks like, as Adelbert and many know that I traveled
around the world for love before to be with someone who was larger
because I saw the beauty they had on the inside and they know that I'm
not shallow.
When in doubt- ask. I'm not afraid to speak my
mind, speak the truth, or whatever. I ALWAYS tell the truth, and
sometimes the truth hurts... even if people think it's opinionated, and
not facts. To each their own, as we all have our own beliefs. I don't
believe in "religion", "religious", or those that have not experienced
the 2x2s (the Truth, or the Way) because they have no meaning and no
bearing on what they say or do because they haven't gone down that
route. If they have and then they complained, then they would never
even begin to argue. So much for power of positive thinking and
believing in people that they are good... she's not.
