I was with some other fellows (probably in their early 20s) who formed a ball team. The ball team at times seemed like a baseball team and at time like a basketball team. I was about to have a game against another team and I tried to remember how to shoot a basketball.

Clifford was on my team; I asked him some questions about how to play. He told me a few things which helped me.

He also mentioned that his brother was on the other team, and that his brother was trying very hard because he wanted to start playing on a higher-level team. Clifford told me one of the higher-level teams was now managed by someone named Dale; I thought Clifford was talking about Dale.