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The Trinity Delusion's Notes

The following is a dump of random notes which I am keeping to remind me of material for future articles on this website. These notes only represent some random ideas that I don't want to forget about. These things do not represent all that I wish to do on this website (see my TO DO list for some of those things).

I just started keeping these notes mid-June 2012 and I thought someone might find it useful to have these notes available for reading since it might take considerable time before any of these things appear in an article on my website.

1. Many Trinitarian scholars say John could not have identified Jesus as "the God" at John 1:1 or he would have been promoting Sabellianism. This does not make any sense. The Father is called "the God." Also, is not the Triune God "the God" in Trinitarianism. Who exactly is "the God?" If the Father can be called "the God" in Trinitarianism, why not the "Son?"

2. Insightful Comment from my video: "Jesus interprets the Shema" by OneTruthFinder

"This is going to go nowhere, 10y. You're saying that YHWH was tempted in all points as we are. That's Hebrews 4:15, and that's clearly talking about the temptation to sin. Now what is sin? Falling short of the mark. Paul writes that this is falling short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). The "mark" is doing YHWH's will, is it not? If we disobey YHWH, we fall short of His glory. Now, it would be quite ludicrous to suggest that YHWH was tempted agains His own will, to fall short of His own glory."

3. Note Heb 1:1-2 where it says GOD THE FATHER is the one who spoke to the prophets but in THESE LAST SAYS He speaks to us in a son. Consider then the things the Father said in Isaiah, and the like, which excludes all others from identity as God.

4. Trinitarians insist that if you do not have a three person God as your God then you have a different God. But that would mean Jesus had a different God than Trinitarians and Trins have a different God than Jesus. But I have the exact same God as Jesus' God.

5. John 17:3 Jesus said eternal life was knowing his Father, the only true God, and Jesus whom the Father sent. When Jesus said this, he was praying to his God, and his God was his Father alone. Hence, it is an inescapable conclusion that eternal life comes by knowing Jesus' God and Jesus whom his God sent. His God was not a Trinity but his Father alone. Hence, when we regard the facts surrounding Jesus' High Priestly prayer in John 17, it is quite clear that Jesus is saying his Father ALONE is the only true God since his God, to whom he is praying, IS the Father ALONE.

6. June 20, 2012. Trins say they do not believe in three Gods/gods (ex. Athanasian Creed). But the implications of their beliefs do result in three Gods. Jesus' God was his Father alone. That's one God. The Father is Jesus' God but not the Son and not the HS. Illustrate this by drawing 3 circles horizontally from each other and label inside "Father", "Son", "HS." Between each circle write what Trins believe "IS NOT", that is, the Father is not the Son, etc. Copy these three circles to a space below and show how the first circle is Jesus' God and NOT the other two. Copy these three circles again and this time write inside them, "God the Father", "God the Son," etc with the "IS NOT" still between them. Once more copy these three circles to a space below and write, "Jesus' God", "Not Jesus' God", "Not Jesus' God", etc. with IS NOT in between the circles again. If Jesus' God is not the Son then his God is a different God than having Jesus as your God and this illustration, if correctly laid out, will demonstrate this quite clearly.

7. June 20, 2012. With another illustration, show how there is the 4th, the Triune God. "THE" God of Jesus is the Father and THE Father alone. "THE" God of Trinitarians is a three person being, etc. Show how you must ask if THE God is a Triune being or if THE God is anyone you want this God to be.

8. June 20, 2012. With one more illustration, show how there is the 5th Yahweh in Trinitarian doctrine, the divine nature, and how Trins confuse the what's and the who's even though they claim they do not. Show how they attempt to give the divine nature identity and make it a WHO by using the words Yahweh and Lord to describe this divine nature.

9. Out of Egypt I called my Son. The one who called Israel out of Egypt was God the Father. Note verses which have God the Father excluding everyone else. Note Acts 3,4,5.

10. But in these last days God has spoken to us in a Son. This rules out "Angel of the Lord" claims completely.

11. The God of the Prophets is the Father as shown in Acts 3 and elsewhere since this God has a Son.

12. June 30, 2012. (1)My Lord said to (2) my Lord = Two Lords. The repeated expression, "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" by DEFINITION means "the Lord of our Lord" since the God of Jesus is necessarily his Lord. Since Trins claim the one God is the one Lord (and vice versa) he cannot deny this and he is caught in an inescapable dilemma. Since he claims the one God is the one Lord and the one Lord is the one God then the expression, "the God of our Lord" necessarily means "the one Lord of our Lord."

The Trinitarian could perhaps see his problem better if we actually had Paul stating the Trinitarian argument thusly: "For us there is one Lord: the Father..... and one God: Jesus Christ."

13. June 30, 2012. Jesus and the Shema for Trinitarians.

1. Since Jesus was a Jew born under the Law was he required to keep/observe the Law?

2. Since Jesus said the Shema is the foremost commandment, was Jesus required to observe/keep the Shema?

3. When Jesus prayed the Shema, the foremost commandment, "Hear O Israel, YHWH our God, YHWH is one," who specifically was the God of Jesus when he was praying the Shema? Was it his Father alone? Yes or No.

4. When Jesus prayed the Shema, do you deny that it meant to him, "Hear O Israel, My Father our God, My Father is one"? Yes or No.

5. Was Jesus obeying the Shema, the foremost commandment, IF he knew that God was a Triune being BUT his God was not a three person being? Yes or No.

13. June 30, 2012. The Temple is described by Jesus as his Father's house. Luke 2:49; John 2:16. It needs to be noted by Trinitarians this temple is the temple of Yahweh, the God of Deut 6:4 which again means that YHWH of Deut 6:4 means "My Father our God, My Father is one." See also Hebrews 3:1-6 showing the building of the house is Jesus' father since it refers to His son in this passage.

July 1, 2012. The dire predicament of Trinitarians (concerning 1 Cor 8:6 and the claim it Paul intended to state only one God exists and only one Lord exists:

the Head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3.

The Head of every man is (1) Christ.

The Head of Christ is (2) God.

How many Heads do you see here?

This effectually states that our ONE Lord is Christ and Christ's ONE Lord is God. That's two Lords (see also Psalm 110:1), two Heads. But FOR US, as Paul says, there is one Lord: Christ. The implication is that for JESUS there is one Head, one Lord, God the Father.

The Trinitarian is caught by insisting that Jesus is "the one Lord" and the Father is "the one Lord" and that this MEANS both Jesus are the one God where "the one Lord" = "the one God." And he is here caught in his own craftiness. Because of all the verses which indicate our Lord has a God, "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ," this would then necessarily mean they believe "the one Lord of our one Lord Jesus Christ. And this is actually the same idea which they do not like to avoid, that God the Son has a God who is God the Father.

To say there are two Lords for the Trinitarian is extremely confusing because he thinks of one Lord as meaning one Lord exists. Not so. Our one Lord is Jesus; Jesus one Lord is the Father. Two different Lords for two different identities, one Lord for men on earth, and one Lord for Jesus -> our Mediator.

The Trinitarian is attempting to say 1 Corinthians 8:6 means "the one God/one Lord, the Father... the one God/one Lord, Jesus Christ." But this would also mean that they are INSISTING the one Lord in this verse means ONE GOD in which case, "the God of our Lord Jesus Christ" would result, for them, in "the one Lord of our one Lord," a ridiculous proposition when they also insist theere is only one LOrd in existence, thatis, the one God.

The final blow is 1 Corinthians 11:3 when it is realized that there are two Heads not one. One Head for us and one Head, another Head, for Christ. They want to have one Head = one Lord = one God. HU claims won't work either. But this verse illustrates their predicament, "the one Lord of our one Lord" to an inescapable degree becxause they insist their one Lord does not have one Lord since that would be to say their one God has one God as his God. But the saying is indeed true, "theone Lord of our one Lord" because the one Lord of our one LOrd is the Father and the one Lord of us is Jesus, two Lords, one for Jesus, one for us just as we read there re two Heads, one for Jesus, one for us.

Last Update: June 20, 2012.