Sturring it

Home
Organisations
Contact
Photos
Services
Links
Sturring it
Internet Worm Stuns

Please feel free to disagree vehemently with any or all of the remarks below. Please e-mail me to express your opinions.

Stur in General - Joe Sherwood Taylor
Reply re Market Site - David Bacon + thread
Reply re Market site - Jenny Gooding + thread
Reply Re Stur in General- Sally Gillam + thread
Reply re market site- Julie Bennett
royston vasey mentality - Mike B

From Joe Sherwood Taylor (4/3/02)
We moved to Sturminster 15 years ago (from Henstridge), so although we are still newcomers, we've still seen a few changes.
When we first came, it was an attractive but sleepy little town, except on Monday, when things really came alive and there was more life than Shaftesbury, Blandford and Sherborne put together.
This came to an end, of course, and in the mean time we have lost 2 pubs, a garage and the cheese factory, and although it is good to see that nearly all the shops in the centre are now used, is there anything special about Stur anymore? O.K. there the Mill and the bridge to attract a small trickle of tourists, but there are only 2 places that really attract people and that's Harts & Hansons, two unique shops in one small place - we are truly fortunate in having them.
What for the future then? To my mind the market site (and to a lesser extent the ex-cheese factory) are festering sores on the face of Sturminster. I fear a 'Fosters Field' type of argument (a site in Sherborne that has been argued over for the past 20 years) where basically nothing happens because all sides are so entrenched in their views. My view is that almost any development is better than none. Even a housing estate is better than nothing and the extra population would stimulate business to expand elsewhere. I sometimes think that Pie-in-the-sky projects like eco-centres are a waste of time and if built would just consume large amounts of public (that's our) money.
The other change we need to make is to open Stur on a Saturday. For every other town Saturday is number 1 shopping day, and for Stur to close down (in readiness, presumably for the non-existent market on Monday) is ludicrous. 

Reply from David Bacon (17/3/02)

Clearly yours is a throwaway comment based on little thought designed to get things going.  Maybe you haven't noticed the high percentage increase of dwellings in Stur since you have lived here & are not aware of the Local Plan to 2011 where the population of Stur is due to rise such that the schools already crowded will need radical expansion.  This is in spite of the pinch points in the access to Stur which are great for keeping down the speed of traffic but also limit the volume of traffic.  The restricted access to Stur is given as the reason that Stur has only a minor planned expansion in the Local Plan !!  The mind boggles if a minor increase is 640 dwellings on a population of less than 3,000 (as was) what an average increase would be.  What happens to the Market Site is of vital importance to Stur and deserves some debate; not many towns have an opportunity to develop such a site so close to the centre of town.  What ends up there is going to be there for a long time so if it's wrong we will have to live with it for quite a while. 
As for your belittlement of eco awareness that doesn't really warrant comment - we have made a pigs ear of managing our environment - we are accelerating the demise of our planet with little thought for the effects on other occupants or future generations.  What is for sure is that re the Market Site anything that does end up there should be constructed with designs based on sustainable principles and on minimal impact on the environment. Something we can be proud of not embarrassed by. 
Reply from Joe Sherwood Taylor (17/3/02)    
Thanks for your email, which I shall add shortly to the web site. I agree with much that you say, but am wary of schemes that call for lots of public money to be spent. As for eco-awareness,I believe that little tends to come of  the type of high-minded, if worthy, schemes of the type mentioned. Its my experience that reforms really only come about by economic pressure. Anyway, its good to get discussion going about it, especially when so little seems to be happening.
Reply from David Bacon (18/3/02)
One of the facts not well known is that sustainable/environmentally friendly design is not necessarily more expensive than conventional design - the builder who converted a house in Bruton is now sold on the idea which he had not come across before - his research was paid for by his "green" client he now has the knowledge & experience and is determined to apply it.  Of course if you look beyond the initial costs then the economy over the life of a "sustainable" building wins hands down in savings of energy,water,waste and pollution.  On top of which the cost savings to the environment are significant.  The monetary costs of our lack of care are beginning to be recognised - flood defences, flood repairs, the costs of waste and the pollution effects on our health and the costs involved.  We haven't learnt yet and by the time we do it may be too late.  
Reply from Joe Sherwood Taylor (18/3/02)
I applaud the efforts of people like your builder, but generally they make little impact. Nevertheless, houses are being built far more efficiently than 20 years ago. Few before then had double glazing, effective roof insulation or cavity wall imsulation. Change took place partly because that was what people wanted and partly through legislation. As for the doom & gloom angle, people are far too ready to ascribe every slight deviation from the normal as due to global waming (eg the recent floods). I have been following environmental arguments since the late '60s (I have been a member of both Freinds of the Earth & Greenpeace) and most of the gloomy predictions have simply not materialised.
I'm not quite sure how the market site got us here, and whether development one way or the other will make much difference to the environment. I just hate to see the decline in the town and walk past those sad derelict sites every day.

Reply from Jenny Gooding (17/3/02)

No, not a housing estate.  The old market site should be used for central community facilities e.g. new Hall. covered facilities for market stalls, a super market if we must.  We need to keep a heart to the town.  There is ample new housing at Manston etc. As to eco centre, that would have been brilliant but we are realistic and realise that the full monty is not possible but, we are all going to have to come to terms with the need to think more of the ecology and saving resources etc. so some sustainable development for whatever goes on the site must be incorporated.  My five pennyworth for what it is worth!
Reply from Joe Sherwood Taylor (17/3/02)
I agree with much that you say, but am wary of schemes that call for lots of public money to be spent. Anyway, its good to get discussion going about it, especially when so little seems to be happening.
Reply from Jenny Gooding (18/3/02)
Thanks for your reply.  I don't feel that it is necessarily public money that need be spent.  There other ways of funding projects although I realise that it is hard to raise it.  Nevertheless it can be done if one can find people with the contacts and "knowhow" to find influential sponsors.
Have you thought of joining or supporting any of the hard working
groups of people that are endeavouring to come up with acceptable
and sustainable solutions for the market site?
In view of the huge development around the town that has already taken
place and that is going to take place a housing estate on the market site 
is not appropriate for the people and the future of Sturminster Newton.
Saturday afternoon opening has always been a debatable point for the town
- the retailers that find it viable do so and I think that is all we can ask of
small shop keepers - do you do all your shopping in Sturminster Newton?
Reply from Joe Sherwood Taylor (18/3/02)
Thankyou for your letter. To some extent I am acting as 'Devils Advocate' although I do believe that something needs to happen pretty quickly to the market site. I will happily support any group who contacts me by publicising their work on the Stur website, and yes I do most of my shopping in Stur.

Reply from Julie Bennett
It is difficult to add anything to the excellent replies already published except to express concern that the delay in any development of the market site is in itself dangerous, leading to apathy and the "there's nothing we can do about it" mentality.    Housing is being provided ad lib in Stur but community facilities lag behind:  school, doctor, transport, an up-to-date community hall:  these are what is needed to service the population expected over the next few years. Immediately after the market closure there was tremendous enthusiasm - some of it perhaps over ambitious, some of it cranky (and I don't mean the ecocentre!) - and Sturquest is continuing to put the needs of the people first. We must support them, and make our views known whenever any planning application for the market site is published.
Judith Bennett

royston vasey mentality
Hi, having only lived in stur for less than a year, i am obviously far from a
local. i think it is a wonderful place, close enough to poole and bournmouth etc, but just far enough away. the countryside is a welcome change from were i was raised as a child.
i am a firm believer in supporting local shops, with out them places like
stur turn into places like blandford, over run with high street shops land
being bought up by big supermarket chains to the point were this wonderful
setting becomes another built up area with the problems that go with it.
let me get to the point, today i was told by the a local shop that their
credit company had refused me. i have never been refused before and insisted on a reason why. eventually i was told the reason was because they "don't rent to people down that end", i presume they ment down station road. i was discusted to say the least.
Support local shops, never again.., i hope you don't have the same mentality, and to anyone who lives station road side of town, and has had similar problems i'd love to hear from you.
i hope this royston vasey mentality is not a common thing here in sturminster newton. it would be a shame for such a beautiful place to be spoiled by inbred, narrow minded stuck up gob-shites.
it is the first time i have ever experianced this attitude here, i have
always found the people here to be very friendly.
 Is this the norm or the exception for this lovely place?
Mike B..

to be honest, as a born and bred  inbred gob-shite!!!!!!!  i take offence at the mans remarks!!!!
its down to people like him who have moved in to stur and tried to change it that have made people like me move away.......
you can not come into a small town like stur and change ( or try to) things....my belief is the market would still be up and running in some form if it was not for the yuppy scum that have moved into the town and moaned about the noise, smell, and large lorry movements that happened on a monday..
in my view they should all pack up and go back to their city jobs and tube trains and leave us well alone

ade rumbold