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Shael Riley
So a while back someone started a "What game would you remake thread" and I posted my idea for a retelling of the original Super Mario Bros. story in a disturbingly realistic setting. And it is pretty disturbing, if you think about it: being pulled into an alien world where every creature attacks you; stomping and kicking live turtles; a vaguely reptilian monster abducting your signifigant other; eating mushrooms and flowers and stars that make you bigger or more powerful. That's fucked up shit, man!

So I suggested...

Quote:
Let's reconceptualize Super Mario Bros. into a realistic, pscyhological horror game, where Mario is a real, fat Italion plumber from New York City, who falls into a sewer drainage pipe and comes out in the Mushroom kingdom. He's imediatly set upon by snapping turtles, that he kicks and stomps in an unsettlingly realistic treatment of violence and death. Starved, he begins eating mushrooms which distort his perception, making him feel more confident, powerful, bigger. He wanders through this alien world, wondering if he's gone out of his mind or died and gone to hell, and is attacked on all sides by monsterous aliens.

Bowser would be something akin to the alien from the movie Alien, who's kidnapped Mario's girlfriend, Daisy "Peach" Toadstool, because his asexual race can only procreate by implanting their parasitic eggs into unsuspecting host bodies, who slowly waste away under the ministrations of the pre-nadal koopas. There'd be a disturbing silloute cut-away rape scene.

It would be even better if they could work in an earie, string-quartet version of the "game over" theme during the cut-away.

Luigi would die at some point, and mario would go find a Toadstool drug dealer who'd get him hooked on "Starman," a super powerful amphedamine, which Mario uses to plow through Koopa's subjects in a violent haze, impervious to pain.

At one point, Mario would use his cigarette lighter to ignite an ultra-flamable "fire flower," a native species of the Mushroom Kingdom, and throw it at Bowser's castle.

I'd call it "I, Mario" and the box art would be the title in gothic lettering, with a photo-realistic image of Mario, filthy, sweating, bleeding, wounded, stubbly and half-insane, staring horrified into a mirror, with bottles of pills and mushroom stems strewn about the floor of his run-down, Brooklyn apartment.


This thread exists because the idea was so popular on the "What game would you remake?" thread. Post your comments, concept art, music, scripting, plot, game-mechanics and dialouge suggestions here.

I'd really, really love it if anyone would be interested in making any sort of playable flash animation or game based on the concept and would be willing to work under the director of such a project in any capacity.
   
-rz-
Awesome! !!!! Very Happy

Screenshots, plz ? ;P


btw, if you ever need a map/level designer, just ask me. Wink

I'd really want to see that game being made. It would be the most interesting/disturbing/weird mario game ever. Very Happy


EDIT : I really need a screenshot, Shael. You'll understand why soon. Wink

Last edited by -rz- on Sat 10-23-04 6:43 am; edited 1 time in total
   
reelmojo
I almost think it would work better as a movie actually. Well, at least in Flash it would. It would take a lot of effort and attention to detail to make a good game out of that.
   
The Damned
I suppose you could use the Half Life engine to make a demo version, if you modelled the koopas and Mario right. They already did a few good zombie mods, so it shouldn't be that hard.

Just wait. He'll make up a few pics, some little retard will find them, and the next thing you know, there will be a giant rumor mill churning out "NINTENDOO IS REMKAING MARIO BROS INTO ETRNEL DARKNES!!! OMFHG" posts on every other forum from here to IGN.
   
MoonSaultKid
Razz Just remember that Daisy and Peach are not one and the same, and I don't think the Mario fanboys would have that big a heart attack. It would be funny seeing the rumors being thrown about everywhere, though. Heh heh. Smile
   
Doctor Shaft
that idea is just so disturbing. The thing is, the Super Mario story is just so bizarre, that if it were "reality," any true italian plumber probably would be just as you described - drugged up beyond all belief. and probably coming out of the whole adventure 100 lbs lighter, with all the no nutrition, slamming into turtles, and then hooking up on Starman... probably drains the body cold.

I wonder how Mario would even beat the Koopa guy though. I mean, he could be throwing the "fire flower" at him with his lighter, but I'd imagine that by the time Mario gets to the end of his adventure, he'd be three things:

1.) Totally and completely coked up... but no longer in juice mode.

2.) Losing even more coherence, so that now he sees something even more bizarre than the Mushroom Kingdom in his drugged up eyes.

3.) Koopa is a supernatural alien that will probably kick the crap out of him. And if he doesn't beat em, the koopa-spawn that probably rips out of Peach's chest will.

It would be the most depressing Mario adventure ever. I like it.
   
Sentora
Heh, shame Bowser's Kids came out in the third game. Would be fun to see them in this version Razz
   
-rz-
Well, that'll be for "I, Mario 3" Wink
   
saihttamoy
I took the liberty of working up a Hammer Brother concept. Don't know if it's what you had in mind, but here it is:

I suck at 3D modeling, so do with it what you will.

I wondered how you could translate many of the Mario mainstays into a darker version. For example, will there be an equivalent of question mark blocks? (Possibly rooting around in garbage cans? EDIT: Maybe produced by "?" Brand Steel?) What about breaking blocks with your head? Will there be any floating blocks at all, or is this game even remotely a platformer? Someone mentioned FPS, but I think that was mainly for the engine. Survival horror fits this well.

I think that a better equivalent of a fire flower would be a clunky, mass-produced flamethrower used by the mushroom kingdom guards to keep koopas at bay (it's nicknamed the "Fire Flower"). Add to this a few other weapons as well, since every survival horror must have a shotgun, and I'd like to see Mario with a shotgun. Maybe you can pick up a fallen Hammer Brother's "hammer" as your main melee weapon.
   
endblink
"Marked" blocks could be spray painted gang tags.
   
Sentora
I just thought of something.

The guy that would sit on the cloud and toss Spinies at you. (The Orange Turtles with the spikes) Lakitu right? How will you reimagine him and those little bastards?

I'm not sure if he/she should be still riding a cloud, although there's a fun image of him doing drive bys in a white vechile of some sort, and the Spiny being a lot more bigger and intimadating as after they hatch.

EDIT: Yeah, that would make for a good chase scene on some sort of Freeway, a twist on stage 4-1 complete with jumps. Razz
   
DJ ChocoHearts
Reminds me a lot of the "Alice" PC game. Which I never played, but wasn't the basic concept the same? Sorta?

Hm. Perhaps the 'shrooms enhance his muscular abilities? Thus, the abnormally high jumping, the failure to break bones when falling long distances (and, for that matter, when smashing bricks with his head), etc.

'Though you DID say "realistic"... :-\

The floating bricks: While not really floating, you could have half-destroyed buildings with overhanging bricks.... This could be explained by an NPC (Toad, perhaps?): "Koopa invaded our world... took over... stole our women and our 'shrooms! Forces us to work in factories making... half-destroyed buildings! THE HORROR!! *breaks down in tears*"
   
Mythril Nazgul
Awesome idea, Shael.
   
Firedrake
It's just Mario on a bad shroom trip.

I like.
   
EvilHorde
Sentora wrote:
I just thought of something.

The guy that would sit on the cloud and toss Spinies at you. (The Orange Turtles with the spikes) Lakitu right? How will you reimagine him and those little bastards?

I'm not sure if he/she should be still riding a cloud, although there's a fun image of him doing drive bys in a white vechile of some sort, and the Spiny being a lot more bigger and intimadating as after they hatch.

EDIT: Yeah, that would make for a good chase scene on some sort of Freeway, a twist on stage 4-1 complete with jumps. Razz


Lakitu would be a mysterious, evil, thin, devil-like shepherd, who would control disgusting little parasite creatures.

Imagine a very scary, dark and disgusting version of a stereotype evil scientist genius. HELL YEAH!
If I find the time I can conceptualize my vision to yaŽll. But this project is really a kickasssss...
Would work as a comic very well. Or a movie.. DonŽt know about the game.
   

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Sentora
EvilHorde wrote:
Sentora wrote:
I just thought of something.

The guy that would sit on the cloud and toss Spinies at you. (The Orange Turtles with the spikes) Lakitu right? How will you reimagine him and those little bastards?

I'm not sure if he/she should be still riding a cloud, although there's a fun image of him doing drive bys in a white vechile of some sort, and the Spiny being a lot more bigger and intimadating as after they hatch.

EDIT: Yeah, that would make for a good chase scene on some sort of Freeway, a twist on stage 4-1 complete with jumps. Razz


Lakitu would be a mysterious, evil, thin, devil-like shepherd, who would control disgusting little parasite creatures.

Imagine a very scary, dark and disgusting version of a stereotype evil scientist genius. HELL YEAH!
If I find the time I can conceptualize my vision to yaŽll. But this project is really a kickasssss...
Would work as a comic very well. Or a movie.. DonŽt know about the game.


*evil grins* I can picture what you have in mind right now.

Shael, if you need some writers, I volunteer. Contact me.
   
Shael Riley
-rz- wrote:
Awesome! !!!! Very Happy

Screenshots, plz ? ;P


btw, if you ever need a map/level designer, just ask me. Wink

I'd really want to see that game being made. It would be the most interesting/disturbing/weird mario game ever. Very Happy


EDIT : I really need a screenshot, Shael. You'll understand why soon. Wink


I would like to help you out but, as this is exclusively a work of my imagination, no screen shots exist.
   
-rz-
Shael Riley wrote:

I would like to help you out but, as this is exclusively a work of my imagination, no screen shots exist.


Well, I just made a picture quickly in photoshop for my sig, but when the real title screen will be done, it'll be even better. Wink
   
Global-Trance
I have experience in Flash. I may be able to contribute.
   
BreakbeatBeatnik
Shael Riley wrote:
So a while back someone started a "What game would you remake thread" and I posted my idea for a retelling of the original Super Mario Bros. story in a disturbingly realistic setting. And it is pretty disturbing, if you think about it: being pulled into an alien world where every creature attacks you; stomping and kicking live turtles; a vaguely reptilian monster abducting your signifigant other; eating mushrooms and flowers and stars that make you bigger or more powerful. That's fucked up shit, man!

So I suggested...

Quote:
Let's reconceptualize Super Mario Bros. into a realistic, pscyhological horror game, where Mario is a real, fat Italion plumber from New York City, who falls into a sewer drainage pipe and comes out in the Mushroom kingdom. He's imediatly set upon by snapping turtles, that he kicks and stomps in an unsettlingly realistic treatment of violence and death. Starved, he begins eating mushrooms which distort his perception, making him feel more confident, powerful, bigger. He wanders through this alien world, wondering if he's gone out of his mind or died and gone to hell, and is attacked on all sides by monsterous aliens.

Bowser would be something akin to the alien from the movie Alien, who's kidnapped Mario's girlfriend, Daisy "Peach" Toadstool, because his asexual race can only procreate by implanting their parasitic eggs into unsuspecting host bodies, who slowly waste away under the ministrations of the pre-nadal koopas. There'd be a disturbing silloute cut-away rape scene.

It would be even better if they could work in an earie, string-quartet version of the "game over" theme during the cut-away.

Luigi would die at some point, and mario would go find a Toadstool drug dealer who'd get him hooked on "Starman," a super powerful amphedamine, which Mario uses to plow through Koopa's subjects in a violent haze, impervious to pain.

At one point, Mario would use his cigarette lighter to ignite an ultra-flamable "fire flower," a native species of the Mushroom Kingdom, and throw it at Bowser's castle.

I'd call it "I, Mario" and the box art would be the title in gothic lettering, with a photo-realistic image of Mario, filthy, sweating, bleeding, wounded, stubbly and half-insane, staring horrified into a mirror, with bottles of pills and mushroom stems strewn about the floor of his run-down, Brooklyn apartment.


This thread exists because the idea was so popular on the "What game would you remake?" thread. Post your comments, concept art, music, scripting, plot, game-mechanics and dialouge suggestions here.

I'd really, really love it if anyone would be interested in making any sort of playable flash animation or game based on the concept and would be willing to work under the director of such a project in any capacity.


As someone who's gone through some seriously screwed-up crap in his life, I'd say that that's not entertaining, nor necessarily more mature. It's just horrific.

Please, already. Have some taste, if you would.

But if you really, really, REALLY want to go through with this, be my guest.

I'm just putting in my two cents.

Thank you.
   
CapnHulk


That is damn good.
   
-rz-
CapnHulk wrote:
saihttamoy wrote:


That is damn good.


wow. I didn't notice it earlier because the image wasn't loading, but... wow, this is fucking awesome. Very Happy
   
Shael Riley
saihttamoy wrote:
I took the liberty of working up a Hammer Brother concept. Don't know if it's what you had in mind, but here it is:

I suck at 3D modeling, so do with it what you will.



Oh dear god! I LOVE YOU! That is the most fantastic reconceptualization of the hammer brothers ever. It's so alien and horrific, yet it is distinctly recognizable as being derived from the cute little 8-bit sprite characters we all know and love. This is exactly what I was hoping for in concept art. Thank you so much! Please post any more if you do them. I'll be waiting. Smile

Quote:

I wondered how you could translate many of the Mario mainstays into a darker version. For example, will there be an equivalent of question mark blocks? (Possibly rooting around in garbage cans? EDIT: Maybe produced by "?" Brand Steel?) What about breaking blocks with your head? Will there be any floating blocks at all, or is this game even remotely a platformer? Someone mentioned FPS, but I think that was mainly for the engine. Survival horror fits this well.


I was thinking that ideally it would run on an engine similar to the Silent Hill games, though I'm not at all adverse to using the Half Life engine. A realistic space, one in which most of the action takes place on the ground, and a realistic physics engine, one in which mario cannot jump fifteen times his height, are, I fell, neccesary to maintain mood. That being said, having earily floating pieces of land, ripe with sinister foliage who's roots stick out below the hovering soil, is a must.

So, to recap, the game's focus should not be jumping on suspended platforms, though the occasional omage to the seriees' platformer roots would rock.

And I love the idea of rooting around in question-mark-labeled garbage cans. That's at the core of what my concept of this game is: a disturbing allegory for the things that happen in Super Mario Bros. as it might happen in a more realistic setting. People, especially the crazed and desperate, DO root around in garbage cans, just as Mario looks for things to pop out of question-marked blocks. Good allegory.

Quote:

I think that a better equivalent of a fire flower would be a clunky, mass-produced flamethrower used by the mushroom kingdom guards to keep koopas at bay (it's nicknamed the "Fire Flower"). Add to this a few other weapons as well, since every survival horror must have a shotgun, and I'd like to see Mario with a shotgun.


A Fireflower model flamethrower is a good allegory for
the fire flower powerup, however, I'm partial to the idea of the flamable native species of flower. It emphasizes the alienness of the setting and, while it's not too hard to imagine flowers growing out of pots on windowcils, in fields and even dead and discarded in question-marked trashcans, finding flamethrowers in great quantities and discarded with little care would be a bit odd.

I'm iffy on the shotgun. I was hoping Mario would primarily rip things apart with melee weapons; think Manhunt style violence and gore. It's more disturbing and has roots in the original series, ala Mario 64's one-two-three-jumpkick melee combo.


Quote:

Maybe you can pick up a fallen Hammer Brother's "hammer" as your main melee weapon.


YES! That is awesome. Definatly get the hammer. It's horrible; it's disturbing. It's also an homage to the Hammer Bros. Suit from Super Mario Bros. 3.
   
Shael Riley
Sentora wrote:
Heh, shame Bowser's Kids came out in the third game. Would be fun to see them in this version Razz


There's no reason they can't be incorporated, if the oppurtunity arises.

Remember, it's a very loose retelling of the original story; elements from the other games in the series, so long as they don't eclipse those from the first, could be viable additions, so long as they are not gratuitous.
   
Lasakon
You also have to have the second act where Mario is thrown in jail and forced to clean up the dead bodies of all his victims. It might just make Super Mario Sunshine worth playing.
   
Shael Riley
-rz- wrote:
Well, that'll be for "I, Mario 3" Wink



<3 <3 <3


That's awesome. Smile
   
Shael Riley
Lasakon wrote:
You also have to have the second act where Mario is thrown in jail and forced to clean up the dead bodies of all his victims. It might just make Super Mario Sunshine worth playing.


Now that's just too much of a deviation from the series; it isn't based on any plot from any Mario game, nor is it an allegory for anything Mario. Sorry to bust your bubble. Gotta maintain focus.
   
Shael Riley
endblink wrote:
"Marked" blocks could be spray painted gang tags.


That's not a bad idea! It's not uncommon for gangs or homeless communities to tag certain areas with icons that indicate content. For example, a koopa gang could have tagged a certain garbage can that often contains discarded goods with a question mark, so their bretheren can easily identify it.
   
Shael Riley
EvilHorde wrote:
Sentora wrote:
I just thought of something.

The guy that would sit on the cloud and toss Spinies at you. (The Orange Turtles with the spikes) Lakitu right? How will you reimagine him and those little bastards?

I'm not sure if he/she should be still riding a cloud, although there's a fun image of him doing drive bys in a white vechile of some sort, and the Spiny being a lot more bigger and intimadating as after they hatch.

EDIT: Yeah, that would make for a good chase scene on some sort of Freeway, a twist on stage 4-1 complete with jumps. Razz


Lakitu would be a mysterious, evil, thin, devil-like shepherd, who would control disgusting little parasite creatures.

Imagine a very scary, dark and disgusting version of a stereotype evil scientist genius. HELL YEAH!
If I find the time I can conceptualize my vision to yaŽll. But this project is really a kickasssss...
Would work as a comic very well. Or a movie.. DonŽt know about the game.


I think Lakitu should look like Satan, straight-up. Maybe some kind of thin, satan mad-scientist, though we want to be careful to avoid making the enemies look at all human.

Some kind of gargoyle, imp or devilish physiology would be perfect, and he should fly. With wings. Fuck the cloud. It's too goofy. He could produce a thin mist from his...uh...mist glands. That would take care of the cloud.

And he, er, she, should just birth the eggs mid-flight. I wanna see 'em drop out of her demon-reptile birth canal, dripping with embriotic fluids and screaming and they twist out of their spiney eggs upon hitting the ground, assaulting mario, leaving a goey trail of afterbirth.
HereIamAgain
-Have Mario & Luigi get captured and them doing an expiriment on him where he gets racoon ears & tail. Where he goes crazy and escapes. Luigi gets the frog suit and Marioa has to kill him later under water, perhaps with the hammer?

-Also Buzzy Bettles being these huge tank sized creatures that are impervious to fire, but have a soft spot on the top of their shell with these very instectoid mouths at the bottom that eat EVERYTHING in their path. (maybe a burrowing animal, as most insects are).
   

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soccerook16
YOU GUYS ARE ON SOME FUCKED UP SHIT. why whould you ruin something that is already great. The reason SMB is so great is becuase its not supposed to be reality its supposed to be happy and fun. Super Mario RPG is the darkest mario game i think thats gonna be made just because it would just be a waste of time to change a winning platform. ok im done.
   
Mythril Nazgul
There has to be a section where he is trapped underwater in some pipes or something, and pirhanas (spelled?) are attacking him. Real pirhanas.
   
Firedrake
soccerook16 wrote:
YOU GUYS ARE ON SOME FUCKED UP SHIT. why whould you ruin something that is already great. The reason SMB is so great is becuase its not supposed to be reality its supposed to be happy and fun. Super Mario RPG is the darkest mario game i think thats gonna be made just because it would just be a waste of time to change a winning platform. ok im done.
Shut up.
   
endblink
soccerook16 wrote:
why whould you ruin something that is already great?
Because Mario blows.

He's one of the worst characters ever created in the gaming world.

This, though, this I would play. This has the potential to rock hard.
   
Mythril Nazgul
endblink, i have an equation I am trying to solve. Plz help me:

endblink's new sig = x

plz solve for x.
   
BreakbeatBeatnik
endblink wrote:
soccerook16 wrote:
why whould you ruin something that is already great?
Because Mario blows.

He's one of the worst characters ever created in the gaming world.

This, though, this I would play. This has the potential to rock hard.


All this does is make the Mario games LESS mature and more...Well...There's not an adjective for this. But it somehow means both "suck" and "terrible" at the same time.

I personally think that this idea both sucks AND blows worse than a Krystal yiff fanart gone horribly wrong.
   
endblink
Mythril Nazgul wrote:
endblink, i have an equation I am trying to solve. Plz help me:

endblink's new sig = x

plz solve for x.
Laughing Laughing

x = AWESOME. (Much like your last post.)

Actually, X = artist sub

It is a self-portrait of the artist which he calls "Staring Contest":
   
Mythril Nazgul
endblink wrote:
Mythril Nazgul wrote:
endblink, i have an equation I am trying to solve. Plz help me:

endblink's new sig = x

plz solve for x.
Laughing Laughing

x = AWESOME. (Much like your last post.)

Actually, X = artist sub

It is a self-portrait of the artist which he calls "Staring Contest"



Thanks for that link. Smile and now back to this project.


BY THE WAY, GUYS CALM DOWN: ALL SHAEL IS DOING IS REMIXING THE GAME, OK?

edit: endblink, on this guys site, I have just looked at "River of the Dead" and I love it. I might make it into a sig in the near future. Please don't think that I am jacking your style.
   
endblink
BreakbeatBeatnik wrote:
All this does is make the Mario games LESS mature and more...Well...There's not an adjective for this. But it somehow means both "suck" and "terrible" at the same time.

I personally think that this idea both sucks AND blows worse than a Krystal yiff fanart gone horrible.
Well, here's how you can look at it:

- This interpretation is a fan interpretation of the thing. It's also just for fun. Thus, if you don't like it, you don't have to keep reading/participating in the thread. Also, it's not going to effect Mario for you, is it? It's not like this thread is forever going to scar you and the next time you play Mario World, you're going to start eatting your own arm because of horrific flashbacks of this thread, right?

So, let people have their fun.

- Just to give you a flip side opinion The reason I like this game is it actually give character to the concept of Mario. It also tries to make it a little grittier and in a suspension of belief sense of the word, "more realistic". At least it makes the character of Mario more than just a flaming insulting stereotype of Italians. "It'sa me-a! Mario!" Please. I still maintain that I have no idea why people like Mario. He's a crap character.

And like I said, this idea - being completely done for fun and for kicks - kinda makes him interesting. At least for me, and obviously for others as well.
   
[-Smoke-]
The idea seems quite fun, and it's most likely a lot better than most of the Mario flash movies/games found on Newgrounds.

This comes from someone who's been playing Mario since the 80's and loves the games.

I'd play it.
   
Firedrake
[-Smoke-] wrote:
The idea seems quite fun, and it's most likely a lot better than most of the Mario flash movies/games found on Newgrounds.

This comes from someone who's been playing Mario since the 80's and loves the games.

I'd play it.
Now that you've mentionned Newgrounds, I'm reminded of that brilliant noir version of Mario movie series someone made. Does anyone have any idea what it's called, and maybe could they link to it?
   
Shael Riley
HereIamAgain wrote:
-Have Mario & Luigi get captured and them doing an expiriment on him where he gets racoon ears & tail. Where he goes crazy and escapes. Luigi gets the frog suit and Marioa has to kill him later under water, perhaps with the hammer?


That's a little gratuitous. Although it's cool to incorporate elements from the other games when the oppurtunity presents itself, that's just too drastic a deviation from the Super Mario Bros. plot to justify included. My two cents.

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-Also Buzzy Bettles being these huge tank sized creatures that are impervious to fire, but have a soft spot on the top of their shell with these very instectoid mouths at the bottom that eat EVERYTHING in their path. (maybe a burrowing animal, as most insects are).


However, your conception of Buzzy Beetles--props for getting the name right--I love. The only thing I would change is their size; they were a bit more than half as tall as Mario and just as wide, which would put them at about three by four feet. A three-by-four-foot, dome-shaped, insectoid eating machine is horrible enough. Very Happy
   
Shael Riley
Mythril Nazgul wrote:
There has to be a section where he is trapped underwater in some pipes or something, and pirhanas (spelled?) are attacking him. Real pirhanas.


LOL! That's so obvious! I love it! Beautiful, horrible simplisity.
   
Yoshi3gg
This has to be one of the single most retarded ideas I've ever heard. A silhouette Princess Peach rape scene? Congratulations. Confused

(That Hammer Bros. concept art was pretty awesome, though. You, sir, have skills.)
   
Jenga
I like the Tanooki suit idea.
   

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endblink
Yoshi3gg wrote:
This has to be one of the single most retarded ideas I've ever heard. A silhouette Princess Peach rape scene? Congratulations. Confused
Would you rather a Toad rape scene?

   
RoeTaKa
(edit ^^ Now that cartoon is genious)

If Bob Hoskins can be Mario again then...no wait shut me up please!
   
tyler_lucero
endblink wrote:
Yoshi3gg wrote:
This has to be one of the single most retarded ideas I've ever heard. A silhouette Princess Peach rape scene? Congratulations. Confused
Would you rather a Toad rape scene?

That is fucking brilliant! Funny as hell...
(Where in God's name did u get that?? Make it yourself? if so, well done! Smile)
   
[-Smoke-]
tyler_lucero wrote:
(Where in God's name did u get that?? Make it yourself? if so, well done! Smile)


Yay for people who are unable to read the URL displayed in the lower right of the image.
   
Sentora
Shael Riley wrote:


I think Lakitu should look like Satan, straight-up. Maybe some kind of thin, satan mad-scientist, though we want to be careful to avoid making the enemies look at all human.

Some kind of gargoyle, imp or devilish physiology would be perfect, and he should fly. With wings. Fuck the cloud. It's too goofy. He could produce a thin mist from his...uh...mist glands. That would take care of the cloud.

And he, er, she, should just birth the eggs mid-flight. I wanna see 'em drop out of her demon-reptile birth canal, dripping with embriotic fluids and screaming and they twist out of their spiney eggs upon hitting the ground, assaulting mario, leaving a goey trail of afterbirth.


Heh heh.

Well I'm working on two designs in my head now, one is a mix of yours and EvilHorde's idea. This one's is far as hell from human, and very disgusting to the point he/she occasionally pauses in midsentance to eat a fly or insect crawling on her/him. (Tempted to make it hard as hell to tell the gender) One idea was that the Spinys would actually be born from him and implanted in Mushroom people. The image of 20 or more of their larva stage drilling free of the body does sound tempting.

The second was somewhat a homage to Road Warrior and the Airships of the third game. A souped up as hell, tank/truck like monstrosity that houses Lakitu's oversized body and egg sack, capable of air and ground travel. It's weapory would be launching the bastards like projectiles or land mines so far, still brainstorming. It would be painted white, The front of it would have that Goofy smile the cloud has.

Either version however, would be voiced by Kathy Bates. Just because of how much a scary bitch she was in Misery. Twisted Evil
   
tyler_lucero
[-Smoke-] wrote:
tyler_lucero wrote:
(Where in God's name did u get that?? Make it yourself? if so, well done! Smile)


Yay for people who are unable to read the URL displayed in the lower right of the image.


Point taken. Be nice to n00bs, remember?
   
Shael Riley
Sentora wrote:

Heh heh.

Well I'm working on two designs in my head now, one is a mix of yours and EvilHorde's idea. This one's is far as hell from human, and very disgusting to the point he/she occasionally pauses in midsentance to eat a fly or insect crawling on her/him. (Tempted to make it hard as hell to tell the gender) One idea was that the Spinys would actually be born from him and implanted in Mushroom people. The image of 20 or more of their larva stage drilling free of the body does sound tempting.

The second was somewhat a homage to Road Warrior and the Airships of the third game. A souped up as hell, tank/truck like monstrosity that houses Lakitu's oversized body and egg sack, capable of air and ground travel. It's weapory would be launching the bastards like projectiles or land mines so far, still brainstorming. It would be painted white, The front of it would have that Goofy smile the cloud has.

Either version however, would be voiced by Kathy Bates. Just because of how much a scary bitch she was in Misery. Twisted Evil


OH MY GOD! MY BONER JUST WON'T GO DOWN! Wink

Shit, dude. I can't wait. Both concepts are amazing.
   
Cuddly PyramidHead
Jenga wrote:
I like the Tanooki suit idea.

Tanooki suit must have enormous testicles.
   
joe_cam
I can imagine parts of the script now...
Stuff to include shit like curb stomping and what not...
Just imagining mario saying "Bowser, you fucked with the wrong plumber." is awesome enough.
   
saihttamoy
Shael Riley wrote:
Oh dear god! I LOVE YOU! That is the most fantastic reconceptualization of the hammer brothers ever. It's so alien and horrific, yet it is distinctly recognizable as being derived from the cute little 8-bit sprite characters we all know and love. This is exactly what I was hoping for in concept art. Thank you so much! Please post any more if you do them. I'll be waiting.


Thank you and others for the kind words. To tell the truth, he's kind of a fluke. I impressed the crap out of myself when I drew him, and I don't know if I'll be able to do it again. But I'll sure as heck try, I've got some ideas for Goombas.

Would it be too much of a deviation from Mario's style to have a Bloober miniboss? I like the idea of Mario, freaked out from the piranhas and almost out of air, suddenly confronted by a giant octupus. Perhaps they can just be difficult normal enemies, and the first one he fights is introduced with a cutscene at the end of his first water level. Afterwards, they become commonplace (this is done in a lot of FPSs). The same thing could be done with Hammer Brothers.

Also, does Mario fight Bowser at the end of each castle, or could he instead fight Bowser's spawn? Imagine Mario walking into the final room of a castle. Ruptured bodies litter the floor; this is a "breeding" room. One bloated woman sits in the middle of the room. Mario asks her if she's alive and gives her a kick, and her whole body shudders. Her head rolls back, and she manages to gasp out: "The princess...is...in another...castle...". Then a Bowser spawn bursts out of her skin and you've got your first boss. Smile

Dang, when did I become so morbid?
   
-rz-
endblink wrote:
Yoshi3gg wrote:
This has to be one of the single most retarded ideas I've ever heard. A silhouette Princess Peach rape scene? Congratulations. Confused
Would you rather a Toad rape scene?


haha ! Awesome Laughing

It gives me an idea, btw... you know, the "sorry, mario, but the princess is in another castle" thing.... Wink

well... I think it will have something to do with prostitution. Wink like, mario finds toad-pimp in a scene that happens in a 'castle', which would be a metaphoric word for, well... you know what I mean. Wink
   
Yoshi3gg
endblink wrote:
Yoshi3gg wrote:
This has to be one of the single most retarded ideas I've ever heard. A silhouette Princess Peach rape scene? Congratulations. Confused
Would you rather a Toad rape scene?



It was totally consensual. That toad is smiling. Laughing

But back on topic, there's a big difference between a hilarious VGCats comic, and you being dead serious about implementing a Princess Peach rape scene into a video game because it would be so "dark" and "hardcore."

I can hand it to you that your OVERALL idea is a more literal interpretation of a classic, and is interesting to think about... but to go as far as to say it should actually be followed through with and turned into a video game? That's just too much. Nobody really wants to navigate Mario around so he can do a line of starman or even think about Peach and Bowser getting it on (Honestly, the first time Baby Bowser referred to Peach as "Mama" in Super Mario Sunshine, you were revolted by the very thought of what that implied. Admit it.)

Also, doing something like this would detract from the original's charm. Part of the reason I love the Mario series is because Mario IS such a terrible character. He's a fat, stinky, hairy plumber who must save the world over and over again. Somehow, the original got me to accept the fact that a plumber could save a princess from a giant turtle without making me even so much as QUESTION his abilities or qualifications. And that's something special.

When you talk about wanting to experience this classic from Mario's viewpoint in a more dangerous, dark, and realistic setting, it just totally misses the point of the series. The Mario series isn't about being real or logical at all. If you put this all in a realistic setting, you lose all of the fun, because the Mario series is just too fucked up and ridiculous a concept to accept if presented with a straight face and gritty graphics.

By writing this, I by no means expect you to stop with this, hell, I'll even go as far as to encourage you to keep going with this, just so I can see if I'd be proved wrong. What I'm trying to accomplish by my near-fanboy rant is to get you to realize that some games can be hurt by a darker and more realistic setting. Think about it: You wouldn't want to play a Resident Evil game that is just a happy-go-lucky romp through a technicolor mansion, would you? It works both ways.
   
Mr. 1-Up
If the Wind Waker can pass with it's cartoony style without flames, then we can make a darker Mario game.
   
[-Smoke-]
tyler_lucero wrote:
[-Smoke-] wrote:
tyler_lucero wrote:
(Where in God's name did u get that?? Make it yourself? if so, well done! Smile)


Yay for people who are unable to read the URL displayed in the lower right of the image.


Point taken. Be nice to n00bs, remember?


Hey, it's my job to help. And delete when needed Wink.
   
saihttamoy
I think people would enjoy a game like this just so they could see the kind of crazy interpretations of Mario that we're suggesting. I imagine a bunch of pre-teens sitting around their TV/computer saying, "Holy crap! THAT'S Lakitu?" and continuing playing just to see what's coming up next. Heck, I would.

Sentora wrote:
Yeah, that would make for a good chase scene on some sort of Freeway, a twist on stage 4-1 complete with jumps.


I love this idea. An enormous, apocalyptic, Advent Children freeway (sorry) where you have to race against Lakitu in his souped up vehicle as he births hideous spawn all over the place. Perhaps you can be racing against the clock, too; he's on his way to deactivate Mushroom City's last shield against the koopa onslaught, or destroy Mario's only way home, or rape a princess, or something.
   

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Jenga
How about a tranny whore house level where you fight the pink dude with a ribbon on his head and a vagina for a mouth?
   
saihttamoy
Don't think so, too far gone from SMB1's storyline.
   
Sentora
saihttamoy wrote:
I think people would enjoy a game like this just so they could see the kind of crazy interpretations of Mario that we're suggesting. I imagine a bunch of pre-teens sitting around their TV/computer saying, "Holy crap! THAT'S Lakitu?" and continuing playing just to see what's coming up next. Heck, I would.

I love this idea. An enormous, apocalyptic, Advent Children freeway (sorry) where you have to race against Lakitu in his souped up vehicle as he births hideous spawn all over the place. Perhaps you can be racing against the clock, too; he's on his way to deactivate Mushroom City's last shield against the koopa onslaught, or destroy Mario's only way home, or rape a princess, or something.


Same here. It was what I loved about American Magee's Alice. And I'm having just as much fun Imagining this stuff right now.

Heh, You convinced me now to make those two concepts both Lakitu's forms during the game. One for a first battle, and the other for a second. *goes back to work*

Oh, btw Shael, I also have an idea for Bullet Bill. Lets just say this is going to give new definition to Mobile Weaponry Twisted Evil
   
firefox
I love it!!!!
Dont get me wrong I thik this whole thread has come up with pure gold.....
But just remember not to go to far: the last time someone re-interpreted this game we were left with:

SUPER MARIO BROS: THE MOVIE Shocked

Also the Princess doesn't have to be a 'Princess' she could be the drug dealer's daughter, or bitch (why do think Mario can get it all for free), and he's nicknamed her 'princess'.
   
[-Smoke-]
Maybe you could also include some background narration by Mario himself, looking back on what happened. Just to bring out his emotions a bit more.
   
Straziante
My contribution from the "remake" thread:

I wrote:
Ice Dragon wrote:

To make a "dark" Mario movie would be like trying to fit Adam Sandler in Lord of the Rings.



Right, because Adam Sandler can't act good enough for such a great movie series. I enjoyed the Mario Bros. movie more than Lord of the Retards.

You could make the story where Mario gets pulled into a post-apocalyptic-type Mushroom Kingdom, where the monarchy is struggling to keep control of their lands. Luigi, in the meantime, is still in Brooklyn, getting in touch with all of his dodgy back-alley contacts, trying to find his lost brother. Luigi gets caught up in some big shit, and gets beat half to death in a narcotic-induced stupor. He then gets drawn into the Mushroom Kingdom, where he dies in Mario's arms.

Since Mario has been battling addiction to hallucinogenic mushrooms, he's mentally unstable and handles his brother's death very poorly. He hears Luigi's voice in his head constantly while undertaking the King's request to save Peach and kill Bowser, in exchange for free passage back to Brooklyn, where Mario can avenge Luigi's death. Bowser's been pushing mushrooms to all of his underlings, so the battles and shootouts get pretty rough. Mario finds out Bowser raped Peach and impregnated her. Mario gets pissed, since he wanted to hit it first.

This is where the "Starman" drug would come in. Mario and Bowser get into a gangland shootout. Mario supposedly kills Bowser and goes to take Peach home. Mario's so doped up that he punches Peach in the stomach to kill the baby, and then slaps her around quite a bit. When he returns her to the castle, the king is pissed and refuses to let Mario live. Mario then has to live on the run from the law, trying to find his way back to Brooklyn on his own.

It's not tasteful, but it's possible.



I also thought, instead of making Mario fat and stuff, we could make him lean and buff, since fat guys normally aren't associated with Mafia-style drug business. Instead of him being a plumber, he could be a "cleaner" for the mob. He gets an assignment, gets high beforehand, and manages to find his way to the MK (we'll have to work that one out). Since he misses his window of opportunity on the hit he was assigned, the mob punishes Luigi for it, hence his death.

The only thing I can find wrong with this, is how to get the Bros to the MK. They could dump Luigi's body off of the Brooklyn Bridge into New York Bay, which could tie in Mario finding Luigi's body in a "water stage."
   
saihttamoy
Yeah, Bullet Bill's had me stumped. We can't have realistic Mario stomping slow moving projectiles out of the air, and at the same time we can't just have random sprays of bullets and call them Bullet Bill. I was thinking of leftover wartime turrets manned by weak koopas that unlike in SMB1, can actually be destroyed, but to make up for their destructability they fire large, heat-seeking rounds.

What to do about coins? Should there be a mushroom kingdom shop where 100 buys you "special" green mushrooms, and you can also purchase other mushrooms, hammers, and Starman? Also, what about coin blocks and going down pipes to find coin caches? It'd be wierd to see Mario beating the crap out of walls and seeing coins fall out.

Obviously, Mario can't kick koopa shells to take out other enemies, but there must be a way to pay homage to it.

Goombas are unlike other enemies in that they don't seem turtilian or alien, but are just plain mushrooms. Mario doesn't encounter them until he first tries the mushrooms, after which they spawn ominously around him, leaving us to wonder whether they are real creatures or a figment of Mario's hallucinogenic imagination.
   
Ice Dragon
For the record, I just want to say that any attempt at making this game will fail, and if by some miracle it succeeds and people are able to play a full version of this game, they will all 1) Laugh hysterically. 2) Puke when they see it. 3) Make web pages that speak of you in a demeaning manner.

Carry on.
   
Straziante
saihttamoy wrote:
Yeah, Bullet Bill's had me stumped. We can't have realistic Mario stomping slow moving projectiles out of the air, and at the same time we can't just have random sprays of bullets and call them Bullet Bill. I was thinking of leftover wartime turrets manned by weak koopas that unlike in SMB1, can actually be destroyed, but to make up for their destructability they fire large, heat-seeking rounds.


RPGs come to mind. And mortars. Maybe a big shotgun?

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What to do about coins? Should there be a mushroom kingdom shop where 100 buys you "special" green mushrooms, and you can also purchase other mushrooms, hammers, and Starman? Also, what about coin blocks and going down pipes to find coin caches? It'd be wierd to see Mario beating the crap out of walls and seeing coins fall out.


The gang-marked objects could hold big wads of bills wrapped in rubber bands or money clips. Instead of finding pipes with coin caches, he could seek out back-alley "casinos" or something and rob them. Mario should play the anti-hero in this, I think.

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Obviously, Mario can't kick koopa shells to take out other enemies, but there must be a way to pay homage to it.


Perhaps biker-koopas can have their helmets removed and thrown. I'm sure we can think of some brilliant way to work the shells in.

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Goombas are unlike other enemies in that they don't seem turtilian or alien, but are just plain mushrooms. Mario doesn't encounter them until he first tries the mushrooms, after which they spawn ominously around him, leaving us to wonder whether they are real creatures or a figment of Mario's hallucinogenic imagination.


I like the hallucination idea. The whole game could be a bent reality where Mario doesn't actually go to the MK, but hallucinates it in his own world. It would be a pretty cool twist. Shael's the pilot of this, let's see what he thinks. Great idea though!
   
AllanFire
Holy crap. What a great idea. I had to finally sign up on these forums just to register my support for this- whatever you guys decide to do. Do it. While personally I could see this as more of a movie than a game, it'd be great either way if done right. Man.

If you need any more writing help, let me know.
   
Straziante
Ice Dragon wrote:
For the record, I just want to say that any attempt at making this game will fail, and if by some miracle it succeeds and people are able to play a full version of this game, they will all 1) Laugh hysterically. 2) Puke when they see it. 3) Make web pages that speak of you in a demeaning manner.

Carry on.


I just want to say, that while I respect your opinion and your right to have one, I don't appreciate you branding our opinions as inferior and incorrect. Just because you think something is a bad idea, doesn't mean it is a bad idea. Thanks for sharing, but I'm sure Shael and the others would appreciate constructive criticism.
   
Straziante
Sorry to double post, but I just had the idea of Fire Flower + Gasoline = CARNAGE.


Also, I forgot to mention that I like the idea of incorporating Bowser's children into the game. And I think straying away from saving the princess as the main object could really be interesting. Vengeance and inner struggles would be so much more intense.
   
AllanFire
Maybe one of bowser's children joins Mario. And don't forget Yoshi- he could be a wild, vicious monster who eats anything, yet for some reason has a soft spot for Mario.

And maybe Bowser kidnaps Luigi as well, and Mario rescues him first, possibly allowing him to deliver the famous "No Mario, I"m sorry... the princess is in another castle" line. So then Luigi travels with Mario for awhile, until his invetiable death.
   
Vilecat
Haha! That's some wicked idea you got there xP

I was wondering : what about Yoshi? Or the Pirhana Plants? The Shy Guys? The Thwomps? Bob-Ombs? Wigglys? Ninjis? Wart?... and Wario maybe?

There are so many ennemies from all the Mario games that making a full bestiary shouldn't be so hard. I find it kind of inspiring, transforming the original toy-looking ennemy into a "realistic" bloodlust monster Very Happy

I don't see why some come here to complain about this being totally stupid. It's not like there's really gonna be a game or a movie made out of this thread's ideas... or it will? The most it could become if you think for a minute, is either 1) a fanfic 2)a Flash movie/game/whatever like that 3)nothing at all since this topic's here to mainly have fun about a guy's idea.

For the frog suit, you could need it to continue in those underwater levels later in the game, because if you make it more "realistic", i doubt most people can hold their breath more than 45sec. to 1min. As for the Raccoon suit, i don't have the slightest idea. I remember its special use was to turn into stone, so ennemies would pass by you w/o hurting you, or even seeing you at all.
   
Too Many Oranges
-rz- wrote:
CapnHulk wrote:
saihttamoy wrote:


That is damn good.


wow. I didn't notice it earlier because the image wasn't loading, but... wow, this is fucking awesome. Very Happy


Gimme 2 weeks, I can have a 3d model somewhat done. Assuming I have the time.
   

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AllanFire
The frog suit could be like an underwater suit + oxygen tank that mario wears... maybe when he dives into the water to find Luigi's body?

And what about this... the shyguys as a gang of mask-wearing druggies who ambush Mario near the beginning. Maybe they wear masks because they've all got some kind of deformity or something.
   
1link-jing1
pirhana plants can't be forgotten --- giant, glowing, red venus fly traps with long, yellow fangs dripping blood.

toad- a homeless boy that wears a giant mushroom for a hat.

shyguys- white-mask-wearing robbers dressed in red with sacks of loot.

oh. and i'd like to see flying turtles.
flying koopas- a koopa spliced with a bat.
   
Radical Goodspeed
Mario should have some brutal hand-to-hand techniques. No fancy martial arts or anything like that, just dirty street fighting. He should be able to eye gouge, headbutt, strangle, and bash his opponents over the head with the ? trashcans. I would suggest that he get more exaggerated moves when he gets gets a star, things like neck snaps or backbreakers but those would probably detract from the realism a bit.
   
/devmap q3ctf4
Why does everyone want Luigi dead? He's always been my favorite Nintendo character since Smb1 and 3. He started to fade after Sm64, though. : [ If I had the chance I'd make a good sequel to Sm64, similar to SMSunshine...with Luigi as the player 2 character. Wishful thinking...

I have good ideas for a Mario Model. There is the biker model from Quake 3 that we could use. I'd use Milkshape to reskin it...and add a hat.



Who would I use as Luigi, though? Sarge? Grunt? Visor?...Hm. Bitterman. : ] Yeah.

If you guys really want to do this I'll start reskinning some models.
   
Frosty Flakey
saihttamoy wrote:
Obviously, Mario can't kick koopa shells to take out other enemies, but there must be a way to pay homage to it.


He doesn't have to kick the shells. Maybe he could knockout/kill and pick up the body then throw it. Or give them a strong kick and send them flying into a group of enemies knocking them out for a while. Even throwing them in the air like other Mario games.
   
Bongo Bill
This has potential.... Post-apocalyptic-style Mario reinterpretation.... Let's see if I can come up with a few ideas.

The mushrooms could be some sort of steroid or hyperstimulant; you take it and it gives you the equivalent of an enormous adrenaline rush. The starman would be a more concentrated form of it.

Bob-ombs. I'm thinking something vaguely robotic; a grenade with spider-like legs. You pull the pin, throw it; it unrolls itself in midair and locks onto the nearest heat source and crawls toward it until it explodes.

The shy guys wouldn't need to have a reason to wear the masks except to set themselves apart, y'know, give them a collective identity.

Monty moles.... There'd be some sort of sewer system. These guys would be creatures that developed in them, something like sewer alligators except intelligent enough to climb out of the manholes. Armed, obviously; perhaps they were recruited or even genetically engineered by the koopas.

Latiku needs more than just some vehicle. Latiku, even in the games, was defined by his ride. It was white and it flew. He'd need some sort of hovercraft.

Fuzzy wigglers - giant snake-monster, anyone? Make it hydra-like: cut it in half, it turns into two smaller ones. Repeat until all the little spawn are just one segment wide, and then they start dying. Those cactus things whose name I can't remember would be a verical variant on this.

Those little black things that I think are called fuzzies could be some kind of acid or toxin or something that is, for some reason, bad to touch.

Remember in SMB3 how the sun was an enemy in one level? There's got to be a way to work that in.

The koopas with wings... well, they could have hovercraft like Latiku's.

I completely forgot about chain chomps! These would be the really bad guys.... Huge monsters, probably partially robotic, so vicious that they have to keep them on chains. They try to kill everything in sight and probably drool a lot, moving faster than the eye can see. Maybe include a scene in which one of them got loose.

Yeah.... Sounds great. Reinterpretation of classic themes. I love it.

Oh, and Wario would have to be included somewhere.
   
/devmap q3ctf4
Maybe he could use a rocket launcher. Red would be laser guided, and green would be normal rockets. : ] Maybe the green could be used for rail slugs, too.
   
AllanFire
Wario = a Mario 'alien spawn' that Koopa created to fight Mario once he realized that Mario was becoming more of a threat. Maybe made from DNA taken from Luigi while he was captured.
   
1link-jing1
Achiba R Carbon wrote:
saihttamoy wrote:
Obviously, Mario can't kick koopa shells to take out other enemies, but there must be a way to pay homage to it.


He doesn't have to kick the shells. Maybe he could knockout/kill and pick up the body then throw it. Or give them a strong kick and send them flying into a group of enemies knocking them out for a while. Even throwing them in the air like other Mario games.


all mario has to do is pick them up and drop them on there backs. All thats left to do is wait til they wither away into dry, empty skulls and shells.
   
Global-Trance
AllanFire wrote:
Wario = a Mario 'alien spawn' that Koopa created to fight Mario once he realized that Mario was becoming more of a threat. Maybe made from DNA taken from Luigi while he was captured.


That should be for Waluigi.
   
Bongo Bill
I just realized something - this thing is going to need music!

If only we were somewhere where the greatest minds prone to voluntarily arranging video game music to meet a certain mood not necessesarily equal to the mood of the original soundtack converged....



...seriously, though; we're going to need a few tracks for this. Four, I think, at least.
   
Guardian
I had the idea for one of those indestructable bad-guys that are usually prelevant in survival horror games. Like Nemisis and Lisa (I think it was Lisa) of resident evil, or the red pyramid thing out of silent hill 2.

Big, scary and un-killable = The sun from super mario bros 3 in the desert levels.

Well, you could kill it if you were to use the starman. It could be an introductory battle for the starman item/weapon/whatever.

As for the shells they could be picked up and used like that spikey ring in Turok 2/Predator. Mario throws it at the enemy and it comes back like a frizbee. He starts off with the green variation which he has to aim, while the red upgrade is homing and the blue spiked does more damage (and could be the equilevant of the silver/light arrows from the legend of zelda series, being the only weapon able to signifcantly harm the final boss).

I guess I'll go back to idling for another few years then.
   
Species 13678
The 'Water levels' should have some creepy distorted version of the original water theme.
   
Sentora
Here's the prototype for the Lakitu design. Still in progress and seeing what you guys think.

I suck at drawing, so I will describe.

I kept to your request for her to look nothing like a human, so I came up with the idea of her shell BEING her body. It’s a skeletal frame more reptilian than human that stands at 7-9 feet tall, the muscular system, ligaments and internal organs attached and visible but protected as well. Almost like a skinless human dumped inside a suit of armor. You can see the Spiny larvae, as well as various other insects and maggots crawling through out the inside and outside of the shell. Her Wings rest around her body when not in use for further protection, appearing like a robe or dress much like Lulu’s from FFX. When the wings are stretched out however, the birthing canal unfolds tail like from it’s tucked in position below her chest and groin, very thick and can also be used to club an enemy as well as muscular enough to fire off the larvae in form of spiky egg, but these Spinys don’t have the life expectancy of one grown in a Mushroom Citzen, and will die in a short time.

The Head and face is the part I’m still working on. She will have a crest that resembles horns at the top of her head, her face purely reptilian and has a set of jaws and fangs that will make Violator and the T-Rex envious. Tempted to give her a set of glasses or shades in honor of her original design. (Remember she had those coke bottle glasses?) She will look as intelligent as she is disgusting and scary, alien scientist from hell.

In reference with Evilhorde’s Shepard idea, I may give her some sort of staff.

I’m still working on her airship/tank, so I’ll get back to you on that. Suggestion or critism on what I have so far welcome.
   
saihttamoy
As much as I like to randomly brainstorm, there's almost too much stuff here now to use. Is there anything we can use to focus on? The Mario universe has some surprising depth outside of the first game, which was what I was only focusing on at first. Maybe we should make a set-in-stone design document or something.

Bongo Bill wrote:
Latiku needs more than just some vehicle. Latiku, even in the games, was defined by his ride. It was white and it flew. He'd need some sort of hovercraft.


The Green Goblin's hovercraft was the first thing that entered my head as I read this, simply because it's awesome and would be perfect to rip off.

Bongo Bill wrote:
...seriously, though; we're going to need a few tracks for this. Four, I think, at least.


Depends on which direction is taken. We don't need much more than the original Mario if that's all we're doing, but we'll need much more if we plan on incorporating everything from SMB to SMW.

Ganemi wrote:
If you guys really want to do this I'll start reskinning some models.


Don't take too much time or anything, but I'd love to see that model redone as Mario. Maybe a little less of a gorilla brow, a red hat and suspenders, just enough to give an idea of how he'll look. Then I might be able to make a concept of him based on the model.

EDIT: So I definitely like the idea that Bowser's army consists mainly of converted citizens of the mushroom kingdom. Torture and brainwash them, mutate and graft a shell-like armor to them, and hand them a scythe-hammer. I know it's been done before (the "everybody's transforming and I could be next" theme), but it fits well.

Most of the time, Bowser kidnaps women to implant his eggs, but the princess is special. Why should she survive for all the time it takes Mario to find her? Because she's Bowser's next fricken QUEEN. Imagine what she'll look like by the time he gets to her.
   

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J-mov
I think that this would make a great movie as well as a video game. But either way, this idea is incredible.

I thought of this idea... It's kinda wierd and you probably won't like it, but it's my own twist to this. At the end of the game, it's found out that the whole adventure was a huge-ass bad trip on magic mushrooms in real (as real as you can get in a video game) life, and after going through all that he went through, even though it was a hallucination, he completely turns his life around, as he was some sort of... who knows, a messed up person in real life.

Or you could kill my "entire thing is a trip" idea, but keep the "and he comes out of the experience a changed man" sort of ideology.

Anyway, I love where this is going, and I intend to stay tuned very closely to see where this leads. If you put some work into this, it has absolutely amazing potential, and I'm glad to help out however I can.
   
Yoshi3gg
Totally Straziante! wrote:
Ice Dragon wrote:
For the record, I just want to say that any attempt at making this game will fail, and if by some miracle it succeeds and people are able to play a full version of this game, they will all 1) Laugh hysterically. 2) Puke when they see it. 3) Make web pages that speak of you in a demeaning manner.

Carry on.


I just want to say, that while I respect your opinion and your right to have one, I don't appreciate you branding our opinions as inferior and incorrect. Just because you think something is a bad idea, doesn't mean it is a bad idea. Thanks for sharing, but I'm sure Shael and the others would appreciate constructive criticism.


Here's constructive criticism. Don't try to build something on a pile of shit. Has anyone else noticed that this thread is just turning into American McGee's Grand Theft Auto: Mushroom Kingdom!? There's something that I find to be BORING about all of these ideas. You people are just taking all the "gritty game" cliches and trying to apply it to a Mario setting. Which, I will reiterate, is a fundamentally retarded idea.
   
taxman29
I have to say I think that of all the enemies in the Mario universe, the Shy Guys are the best source material for this adaption (yes, I know they weren't originally in the Mario universe, but they are now, so oh well.) You just have to wonder why they have the masks. I think it would be great if shy guys had horrendous powers or something that they couldn't control, at least not well, and those powers would activate if one took off his/her/it's(?) mask. That would make a great boss fight... Mario walks into this room and meets this little stubby cloak-wearing figure with a mask... and the thing takes it's mask off... and all hell breaks loose. For example, the shy guys could have massive pyrokenesis, and everything starts lighting on fire or exploding. In fact, it should feature lots of explosions, because every game of this type needs at least one boss fight with a whole lots of explosions Wink . Plus, I have to say that on the creepyness side of things, I like the mask because something that shows no emotions while trying to murder you creeps me out far more than something that is simply grotesque.
   
Ctrl.Alt.n00b
I liked the idea of this and just had to register and add my own 2cents.

Something that had been suggested was that mario had come into contact with the king of the uh.. mushroom kingdom. Personally I think mario should have hardly (if any) other human contact throughout the game. This could add to the "tension" and "darkness" and create the "i'm all alone" mood.

The game could also show the side effects from the drugs kind like the insanity in eternal darkness. In the beginning of the game mario would walk,run,jump normal but after consuming the shrooms and starman his reality starts to gradually fade and he can now jump higher, run faster and become stronger losing whats left of his humanity and slowly becoming part of this strange world and some neat sideeffects would be bluriness and maybe him running in the opposite direction you tell him to

Another thing I was thinking about was the Lakitu monster. I like the idea of it being a flying creature. I also like the idea of it laying the little spikey turtle things but I had a different idea about it. What if the monsters abdomen "appeared" to have a spikey carapace but when really these were the turtle things clinging to it. It could also have this flap thing at the end of the abdomen that sprays this mist. The creature would swoop down to attack kinda like a hawk and If it missed one of the spikey things would uncling and fall down all slimey and stuff get on its feet and start coming after you. Then the Lakitu would spray it's "mist" to make this kind of cloud arround you adding to confusin and continue to dive attack and dropping little spike trutles (the turtles should also have like alot of legs similar to centipedes). After trying to attack it (and failing) you would have no choice but to continue on with the level dodgin the Lakitu's flying attacks and turtle mininon (still menacing you like it did in the game) until you came across a RARE item in the game an actual flower ablaze. Being a plumber I guess its not unreasonable to say mario would have a can of WD-40 on him. After being under constant attackt most of the Lakitu's turtles would be off of his abdomen leaving it vulnerable then mario would get his flower spray the can of WD-40 making it a blazing inferno and spitting out some cheap AHNULD line like "Flower Power Bitch"

blah blah blah blah <------ evil nerd rant
   
-rz-
Someone mentionned the soundtrack a few posts ago, I think the soundtrack must be weird. Really weird... And I can think of two remixers who would do a really good job for that... Wink

like, Nasenmann and Chokster37 for example. Wink
   
tasogare51
Haunted Hell comes to mind for this project, in my opinion.

But yeah, I think this would be awesome to see, either as a movie or a game, though the masses would reject it in a heartbeat. It really fits a Halloween-y theme, except in a broken-down city, probably filled with pollution and gangs (not to mention violence, prostitution, etc.). Since I suck at drawing/music for this kind of thing (plus I don't have a clue about Flash or whatever), I'm just here for moral support. I'll post any ideas that pop into my head, but it probably won't be as good as the art of the Hammer Bros.

And for anyone who opposes this, either say something constructive or simply don't respond. It's just a new spin on the Mario series, realistic and eerie while paying homage to the original.

Good luck on "I, Mario", and I hope to see the end result as well as any possible sequels.
   
Dhsu
So, this is basically, like...Mario Payne? Oh yeah, double-fisted bullet(fireball?)-time action!
   
saihttamoy
Yoshi3gg wrote:
Here's constructive criticism. Don't try to build something on a pile of shit. Has anyone else noticed that this thread is just turning into American McGee's Grand Theft Auto: Mushroom Kingdom!? There's something that I find to be BORING about all of these ideas. You people are just taking all the "gritty game" cliches and trying to apply it to a Mario setting. Which, I will reiterate, is a fundamentally retarded idea.


Sorry, I just have a few problems with this. First of all, if you adapt something innocent into something freakish, of course it's going to look a bit like Alice. I don't see any ideas in here remotely similar to the battle system, enemy design, heck, ANYthing similar to Alice, save the apocalyptic, survival horror sort of feel. Tell us what you'd do to not make it like Alice. That's constructive criticism.

Second, I haven't seen any Grand Theft anything in here. Yeah, it's got a few mature themes, but that makes it exactly the same thing as GTA? GTA isn't horror, it's doing whatever you want. We're talking a minimal set of weapons, no vehicles or stealing, not even the freedom of missions or doing what you want in-between. Yeah, the two are exactly alike. But if you think it's too much like GTA, then tell us how to do it different. That's constructive criticism.

And nobody in this thread seems to care that you think it's boring.
   
JM_Zen
For what it's worth, I think this sounds awesome. Would make a neat graphic novel. Shocked
   
Dhsu
Okay, first of all...to everyone who's saying that making this game is a bad idea because Mario is not mature, Mario is about happy go lucky fun time, and doing this would change the feel and turn it into something it's not...DUH! That. Is. The. Freaking. Point. It's not like this is going to replace the series, and you can expect to be playing I, Mario on your Nintendo in a few years. As it's been mentioned, this is just a remix, on larger level. Instead of just arranging the music, they're arranging an entire GAME. And what better source material to use than the beloved, yet ultimately tired[sic] and true Mario franchise? It'd be like saying Ailsean ruined Terra's Theme because "it's not about guitars." Sorry if this has already been said...just wanted to get that out of the way.

On the other hand, what I DO agree with is that developing and producing a full-blown game out of this might be a little over-ambitious. A Half-Life 2 or Doom 3 mod might be more feasible, but even those types of projects tend to lose steam and fizzle surprisingly quickly. My impression is that this project is based on novelty...we're not going to be bringing anything new to the table in terms of gameplay. When it's all said and done, gamers will be playing this to see the concepts and ideas, not because of its revolutionary physics engine or innovative game mechanics.

And that's why this would be perfectly suited for a Flash series. You would be able to use the art directly in the final product, and therefore wouldn't lose anything in the translation to 3-D. And since this seems like it's going to be a highly-stylized type of game, chances are that you WILL lose a lot of stuff...there are some things you just can't do with polygons.

Anyway...yeah, think about it. The important thing is that this sucker gets DONE. I wish everyone on this project good luck. And if you need any dark and moody solo piano Mario arrangements...well, you know where to look. Wink
   
Xelebes
AllanFire wrote:
The frog suit could be like an underwater suit + oxygen tank that mario wears... maybe when he dives into the water to find Luigi's body?

And what about this... the shyguys as a gang of mask-wearing druggies who ambush Mario near the beginning. Maybe they wear masks because they've all got some kind of deformity or something.


The frog suit will have to be some breath-play erotic rubber suit.... just to add to the creepiness.
   
Dhsu
Aren't Shy Guys and frog suits from SMB2 and 3? Perhaps you should limit I, Mario's scope to the first game. The sequels can wait for, well...the sequel. Wink
   
Xelebes
The frog suit might be a must as we could implement them in the 1-3 type levels.
   
JM_Zen
I don't know what you guys had planned for this flash thing, but if you're going to make it 2D, I had an idea for the graphic style.

Does anyone remember those scenes from Grim Fandango when you visit the world of the living? Yeah, it could be something like that... gross deformities and exaggerating of reality.

Anyway, this looks like a pretty cool project - I'll be keeping my eye on this one. Smile
   
suzumebachi
Shael Riley wrote:
EvilHorde wrote:
Sentora wrote:
I just thought of something.

The guy that would sit on the cloud and toss Spinies at you. (The Orange Turtles with the spikes) Lakitu right? How will you reimagine him and those little bastards?

I'm not sure if he/she should be still riding a cloud, although there's a fun image of him doing drive bys in a white vechile of some sort, and the Spiny being a lot more bigger and intimadating as after they hatch.

EDIT: Yeah, that would make for a good chase scene on some sort of Freeway, a twist on stage 4-1 complete with jumps. Razz


Lakitu would be a mysterious, evil, thin, devil-like shepherd, who would control disgusting little parasite creatures.

Imagine a very scary, dark and disgusting version of a stereotype evil scientist genius. HELL YEAH!
If I find the time I can conceptualize my vision to yaŽll. But this project is really a kickasssss...
Would work as a comic very well. Or a movie.. DonŽt know about the game.


I think Lakitu should look like Satan, straight-up. Maybe some kind of thin, satan mad-scientist, though we want to be careful to avoid making the enemies look at all human.

Some kind of gargoyle, imp or devilish physiology would be perfect, and he should fly. With wings. Fuck the cloud. It's too goofy. He could produce a thin mist from his...uh...mist glands. That would take care of the cloud.

And he, er, she, should just birth the eggs mid-flight. I wanna see 'em drop out of her demon-reptile birth canal, dripping with embriotic fluids and screaming and they twist out of their spiney eggs upon hitting the ground, assaulting mario, leaving a goey trail of afterbirth.


The Lakitu should be some sort of skeletal winged beast. Perhaps somewhat similar to the weird flying meat popsicles in silent hill, only a little more compact and muscular, but with a hollow rib cage. When it opens its wings, however, it unleashes a fury of millions of little spine guys, who too are grotesque and much more insectoid than the originals. Not unlike a plague of locusts or such. Just millions of the little spineys swarming around mario.

Totally Straziante! wrote:
My contribution from the "remake" thread:


I wrote:
Ice Dragon wrote:

To make a "dark" Mario movie would be like trying to fit Adam Sandler in Lord of the Rings.



Right, because Adam Sandler can't act good enough for such a great movie series. I enjoyed the Mario Bros. movie more than Lord of the Retards.

You could make the story where Mario gets pulled into a post-apocalyptic-type Mushroom Kingdom, where the monarchy is struggling to keep control of their lands. Luigi, in the meantime, is still in Brooklyn, getting in touch with all of his dodgy back-alley contacts, trying to find his lost brother. Luigi gets caught up in some big shit, and gets beat half to death in a narcotic-induced stupor. He then gets drawn into the Mushroom Kingdom, where he dies in Mario's arms.

Since Mario has been battling addiction to hallucinogenic mushrooms, he's mentally unstable and handles his brother's death very poorly. He hears Luigi's voice in his head constantly while undertaking the King's request to save Peach and kill Bowser, in exchange for free passage back to Brooklyn, where Mario can avenge Luigi's death. Bowser's been pushing mushrooms to all of his underlings, so the battles and shootouts get pretty rough. Mario finds out Bowser raped Peach and impregnated her. Mario gets pissed, since he wanted to hit it first.

This is where the "Starman" drug would come in. Mario and Bowser get into a gangland shootout. Mario supposedly kills Bowser and goes to take Peach home. Mario's so doped up that he punches Peach in the stomach to kill the baby, and then slaps her around quite a bit. When he returns her to the castle, the king is pissed and refuses to let Mario live. Mario then has to live on the run from the law, trying to find his way back to Brooklyn on his own.

It's not tasteful, but it's possible.



I also thought, instead of making Mario fat and stuff, we could make him lean and buff, since fat guys normally aren't associated with Mafia-style drug business. Instead of him being a plumber, he could be a "cleaner" for the mob. He gets an assignment, gets high beforehand, and manages to find his way to the MK (we'll have to work that one out). Since he misses his window of opportunity on the hit he was assigned, the mob punishes Luigi for it, hence his death.


I don't like the idea of Mario being a cleaner for the mob. Plumbing is at Mario's core. If there's one thing Mario's gotta be, it's a plumber.

saihttamoy wrote:
Yeah, Bullet Bill's had me stumped. We can't have realistic Mario stomping slow moving projectiles out of the air, and at the same time we can't just have random sprays of bullets and call them Bullet Bill. I was thinking of leftover wartime turrets manned by weak koopas that unlike in SMB1, can actually be destroyed, but to make up for their destructability they fire large, heat-seeking rounds.

What to do about coins? Should there be a mushroom kingdom shop where 100 buys you "special" green mushrooms, and you can also purchase other mushrooms, hammers, and Starman? Also, what about coin blocks and going down pipes to find coin caches? It'd be wierd to see Mario beating the crap out of walls and seeing coins fall out.

Obviously, Mario can't kick koopa shells to take out other enemies, but there must be a way to pay homage to it.

Goombas are unlike other enemies in that they don't seem turtilian or alien, but are just plain mushrooms. Mario doesn't encounter them until he first tries the mushrooms, after which they spawn ominously around him, leaving us to wonder whether they are real creatures or a figment of Mario's hallucinogenic imagination.


I can totally envision Mario in a drug induced rage punching through a hollow brick wall only to find a large stash of bills and drugs.

And regarding the Sun as a boss... That's kind of a cool idea. Imagine at one point Mario has to cross a large desert. Halfway through the desert he starts going through withdrawls and Imagines a gigantic evil red sun that pretty much envelopes the entire sky, beating down upon him in an effort to kill him. He imagines it does kill him, and then he awakens to find himself being dragged by a rope behind a gaggle of Shy Guys.

The shy guys should be simple robust mutant dwarfs with somewhat eerie masks. What lies under the mask however is too grotesque to describe, hence the reason the buggers wear the masks to begin with. Say they are basically koopa super soldier experiments gone terribly wrong and while being much more intelligent than the average koopa, they realize their own hideousness and attempt to cover it with their masks.

The flying koopas should simply be mutant turtle things with wings. No need for hovercrafts, that would be quite ludicrous.

As far as the pirahna plants go, have any of you ever seen Little Shop of Horrors...?

And "Bullet Bill" could be the name of a series of mobile gatling guns that the koopas attempt to use on mario.
   

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JM_Zen
suzumebachi: really cool ideas all around.

RE: Mario's profession. It seems to be that Mario's gonna have to be pretty bad assed to be able to get through this ordeal... a simple plumber wouldn't cut it. He'd have to have some history.

I agree that he should be a plumber at the time that he falls down the pipe, but maybe he had a history w/ the mob? That would certainly explain how he's able to survive in such a hostile world.
   
suzumebachi
JM_Zen wrote:
suzumebachi: really cool ideas all around.

RE: Mario's profession. It seems to be that Mario's gonna have to be pretty bad assed to be able to get through this ordeal... a simple plumber wouldn't cut it. He'd have to have some history.

I agree that he should be a plumber at the time that he falls down the pipe, but maybe he had a history w/ the mob? That would certainly explain how he's able to survive in such a hostile world.


that could be possible... he might have been somehow involved with the mob, but after double crossing his boss he goes into witness protection as a plumber. or something. im just spouting off now.
   
Shael Riley
Bongo Bill wrote:
I just realized something - this thing is going to need music!

If only we were somewhere where the greatest minds prone to voluntarily arranging video game music to meet a certain mood not necessesarily equal to the mood of the original soundtack converged....



...seriously, though; we're going to need a few tracks for this. Four, I think, at least.


I've got an idea for a title screen theme... Twisted Evil
   
EvilHorde
Heres Lakitu for ya.
this is the mad perverted scientist kinda Lakitu. I call him Mr Burns:


and a more satanic, demonic Quake2 Lakitu:


I like the Mr.Burns one better.
   
Ganemi
Quake 1 had Demons, and monsters.
Quake 2 had Cyborgs, and processed coarpses.
Quake 3 had them all.
   
Sentora
Here's the finished concept for the first Lakitu Design I brainstormed. Again I'll describe because I can't draw for shit.

Body: As in the prototype, her shell will be her entire body, resembling a freakish, 8 foot tall gargoyle/reptilian skeletal armor for the muscular system, ligaments and internal organs. She walks upright most of the time, but often slips into the hunched over state of T-Rex's and Raptors for added speed. You can see the Spiny larvae, as well as various other insects and maggots crawling through out the inside and outside of the shell.

Wings: Unlike most Gargoyle wings, she's capable of true flight like a bat. They rest around her body when not in use for further protection, appearing like a robe or dress much like Lulu’s from FFX. Their texture is comparable to Kevlar.

Birth Canal/Tail: Is tucked into the groin and hollow of her chest when not in flight and the wings tucked around her. When unfolded it's several feet and muscular, not only perfect for clubbing but has the ablity to launch Spinys in their Trademark Spiked Eggs at high speeds. These Spinys don’t have the life expectancy of one grown in a Mushroom Citzen, and will die in a short time.

Arms/Legs: Although Skeletal, they have surprising Strength. The Hands are five fingered and claw tipped, The feet Raptor Like with the one large claw.

Head/Face: Keeping the horns for the satanic look, her lower jaws stretched a bit more than normal and Railspike-like teeth taking up the majority of her face much like a shark's grin. (Not quite Joker's death grin like but able to reach down and bite your head off easily.) Her eyes are Black with White pupils, glowing when she's pissed. While it doesn't resemble a human face in the slightest, her face expresses like one and shows demonic intellgence. A real scientist from hell look.

Well here ya go. Tell me what you think Shael.

And about the Bullet Bill idea: Since Lakitu is such a twisted bitch, she's experimented on her own people before to create the 'Bullet Bill'. It's little more than a Koopa genetically butched into a walking turret, and the ammo is the larvae encased in a steel strong eggshell not unlike a bullet and spit out through it's storkbill-like mouth like a gun would. The projectiles can be bullet sized for hitting mushroom people and infecting them, or Larger Bombshell types that blanket an area with spawn. Their weakness however, is a well timed Fireball into their mouths will cause them to explode.

Considering a larger form of these as well, Elephant
sized and capable of large scale bombardment. Of course that sounds like outfitting an Ultralisk with Cannons so kinda shaky on that. Laughing

That would make for a fun intro though, a couple of those things bombarding the city...
   
Vilecat
Ever played Starcraft? Anyone remember the Zergs? <3

For the Bob-omb idea, the look of it was exactly what i had in mind. Friggin mines on spider-like mechanic legs.
I don't see the ressemblance with GTA. The concept sounds about 5x more like SH than GTA. But anyway i don't care... It's like accusing all the platform games to be ripped off from the first one of the genre that got out. A bit stupid to do that imho, unless they'd decide to take a specific RE game and just change the main character and/or the look of some monsters, but keep everything else intact.
In other words, just stop complaining this idea should be banned from people's mind because for some, it's dumb.
   
[-Smoke-]
>.> wrote:
If I had the chance I'd make a good sequel to Sm64, similar to SMSunshine...with Luigi as the player 2 character. Wishful thinking...


You mean like his appearance in Mario 64 DS as a playable character? The game also has some new levels...
   
Ice Dragon
Totally Straziante! wrote:

Thanks for sharing, but I'm sure Shael and the others would appreciate constructive criticism.


Then allow me to repeat.

Up until now, there has NEVER been a "dark" mario game (at least to the caliber being discussed here). The whole idea that you can make an anti-thesis of everything Mario games have stood for since the beginning is obsurd. You're attempting to take a game in which the worst thing thing Bowser has done is kidnap the princess and steal the wishing wand, and turning him into a murderer, rapist, and probably some other nasty things as well. Not only that, but Mario is going to be a drug addict and overall screwed up individual. You're attempting to take Mario from a strictly G rated game character to the champion M rated character that would be worthy of starring in a rendition of GTA.

What is behind this desire to make a Mario game like this? To me, it seems like a sellout to the currently trendy "make games something that confirms my manliness" attitude game players seem to have today.

This is why I like Nintendo - they may make some games that ruin childhood dreams (boohoo), and they may make sequals upon sequals, but at least they keep their integrity and commitment to innovating rather than making what will make them the most money (but in the end will cause stagnation in video game innovation).

Good luck, you're going to need it.
   
Decrescendo
I think the best thing you could get out of a dark mario game would be something like the little Mario flash movies. It'd have to be vengeful. You couldn't just make mario a stoned out masochist who goes around killing things while he's high. That would completely destroy marios image, hence nintendo would be shooting themselves in the foot losing their main icon. I don't think you could make anything as listed before, but you could try some sort of thing like the flash movies that have been floating around. The only real downside is that it would involve killing off luigi or something like that. Even though it is a game, they do have continuity.
   
Xelebes
Decrescendo wrote:
I think the best thing you could get out of a dark mario game would be something like the little Mario flash movies. It'd have to be vengeful. You couldn't just make mario a stoned out masochist who goes around killing things while he's high. That would completely destroy marios image, hence nintendo would be shooting themselves in the foot losing their main icon. I don't think you could make anything as listed before, but you could try some sort of thing like the flash movies that have been floating around. The only real downside is that it would involve killing off luigi or something like that. Even though it is a game, they do have continuity.


Who said this was going to be distributed by Nintendo? This is a fan-based game meant to rape the game we all know and love. It's a satire.
   
Dhsu
People keep saying doing this is missing the point of Mario.

I think they're the ones who aren't getting the point...
   
Sentora
Ice Dragon wrote:
Totally Straziante! wrote:

Thanks for sharing, but I'm sure Shael and the others would appreciate constructive criticism.


Then allow me to repeat.

Up until now, there has NEVER been a "dark" mario game (at least to the caliber being discussed here). The whole idea that you can make an anti-thesis of everything Mario games have stood for since the beginning is obsurd. You're attempting to take a game in which the worst thing thing Bowser has done is kidnap the princess and steal the wishing wand, and turning him into a murderer, rapist, and probably some other nasty things as well. Not only that, but Mario is going to be a drug addict and overall screwed up individual. You're attempting to take Mario from a strictly G rated game character to the champion M rated character that would be worthy of starring in a rendition of GTA.

What is behind this desire to make a Mario game like this? To me, it seems like a sellout to the currently trendy "make games something that confirms my manliness" attitude game players seem to have today.

This is why I like Nintendo - they may make some games that ruin childhood dreams (boohoo), and they may make sequals upon sequals, but at least they keep their integrity.

Good luck, you're going to need it.


You're entitled to your opinon. You're also taking this WAY too seriously.

Everyone here's having fun spitting out ideas for the hell of it. Has nothing to do with 'selling out' and Nintendo isn't going to find the thread and decide 'Hey! Let's do this!'

Stop complaining and if it bothers you so much, avoid the thread and let us have our harmless fun. I honestly like how this is getting people to step up and brainstorm cause lets face it, all of this stuff's been more orginal than half the shit that's come out of hollywood lately.
   
EvilHorde
HAHAHA! Oh MAN! What is the matter with you people!
You sound like youŽre angry! WeŽre just messing around and using our imagination. Cool off people.
I donŽt think anyone here thinks that some day there will be a movie and a game for this somewhere distributed by Nintendo and Rockstargames.

WEŽRE JUST MESSING AROUND.

Your reaction is absurd.

You need help.
   
Shael Riley
Thank you, Evihorde, Sentahro (sp) and Dshu; really, kids, we're just brainstorming. At best someone will make a flash animation or short game out of it. If being exposed to a perversion of Super Mario Bros. will ruin the original game for you, then you have my condolences but that's no reason to tell us to stop posting our ideas about it. It's something we're enjoying and it isn't hurting you in any way.

Now, back on track.

There have been too many awesome ideas popping up for me to comment on over the past 20 or so hours. I love them all, though. I keep reading this thread and laughing with perverse glee. You all rock!

I'll whip up a little music soon. Nothing OCR submission quality, but something you might like nonetheless. Wink
   

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-rz-
Shael Riley wrote:
I'll whip up a little music soon. Nothing OCR submission quality, but something you might like nonetheless. Wink


Something like, "Mario, The Music Of My Groin" ? Wink
   
Shael Riley
-rz- wrote:
Shael Riley wrote:
I'll whip up a little music soon. Nothing OCR submission quality, but something you might like nonetheless. Wink


Something like, "Mario, The Music Of My Groin" ? Wink


Well geez, now that you've ruined the surprise I'll have to do somehting else. Everbody thank -rz-! :-p
   
Too Many Oranges
Not finished yet, but it's everything I could get done today. Done with the hammer itself; for the actual body I've got a ton of detail to add. The shell's going to be a seperate object, and after all of that I still have to texture it. Might add some more detail to the hammer's handle though.





EDIT: Seperated images for better threadage.
   
ZorkFanDM
Cool idea. I'll try to add to these as much as possible:

Mario - This guy has to be a plumber. That is what Mario IS. He also needs to get a huge-ass hammer to pound the living crap out of things. A Bob Hoskins build would be perfect, as Mr. Hoskins looked exactly like Mario.

Luigi - Instead of dying (which didn't happen), why not have a Color of Envy deal where Luigi goes bad after torture and Mario's success?

Goomba - These guys look kinda like mushrooms, so why not have them be what happens to the mushrooms that aren't eaten?

Lakitu - This dude has always been a sort of lizardish guy in a cloud. In that respect, I think the mist secreting, hovering demon idea is best. That would let him creep onto the scene as a cloud and pop out for suspense. He can birth the spiny pods right into his hands.

Yoshi - I think the Yoshi in the Mario Bros movie, only much bigger and fiercer would work. To create an affinity for Mario, have him be the first thing it sees.

Boos - Wow, these guys have so much potential it is not funny. Just the fact that they move only when you are turned away makes them prime targets for the horror genre.

Dry Bones - They will be automatically "scarified" by changing the koopas.

Chain Chomp - I'm thinking these guys could be almost like posessed mechanical hulks used as gargoyles... until mario gets too close and they spring to life with blood-lusting eyes.

*edited for spelling*
   
endblink
HOLY CRAP! AN ACTUAL GAME MODEL! Someone give Not Xerol a fuckin' beer!

Sidenote: I just want to say that all you folks losing your minds over a fan project: You guys are hysterical.
   
Too Many Oranges
Mario's a plumber; he should use a huge pipe wrench to beat the living crap out of things.

Yoshi should be sorta the "ray of light" in the game, Mario rescues the egg in the very beginning of the game and they get lost and reunited several times throughout the game, and later on they become companions in battle.


Anyway, more about these models:

What do you think about the texturing on the hammer? I know the wood needs work(I'm going to rotate the 3d texture as soon as I figure out how) but I think the stone should be darker. Or should it be stone at all? Also, about the head, I'm going to try to smooth it out a little later on.

Sorry about the Shrek-like coloring on the body; it was a darker green but Maya's default lights are pretty bright. Right now I'm getting the form down; eventually the claws and some other parts are going to take on different textures, and I'm going to add on the back shell and some other stuff, like tattered rags of clothing.

Also, does anyone have any original pictures for reference? I could just go into my ROMs and get one, but I've got a lot of work to do(i.e. a take-home test I've had 2 weeks to do and is due in less than 12 hours).

My next steps(before continuing work on the head) are to add bones to the body and position it like in the sketch, so I can get the features right. To whomever did that sketch(sorry for not remembering) could you do another angle, or a focus on the head?

(By the way, the body model has over 2500 polygons already. I'm going to reduce it down once I'm done modeling, but if you're planning on using these models in a game I'll really have to simplify them so that performance doesn't suffer.)
   
Shael Riley
Not Xerol, please have my love child.
   
J2agnarok
There would have to be a remix of Boo's theme in there. Seriously, when done properly that can be pretty creepy. Just listen to the Haunted Hell remix. Placed in the proper scene, that could seriously add to scare factor.
   
Shael Riley
I whipped up a cheesey little idea of how the title screen might sound. It's pretty bad, musically, even for me and I only took a little over an hour to do it, but it does demonstrate how the Mario theme could be worked into some weird ambient/earie piano stuff. It could sound good if I could take the time and effort to revoice it properly and make it so it doesn't keep the same chord structure for 90% of it. I might go back and do that if I have enough time this week. Heck, might even do a few more versions of the theme and try to work in some of the other themes as well.

Also, I stole a lot from Metroid. Wink
   
JM_Zen
Wow, this is great. I just wanna congratulate everyone who put effort into this project (I know that doesn't include me); it's guys like you that'll make this a success.
   
Cool Cat Gorveg
I finally got around to reading this thread. I like it. Very much. I don't understand why people area opposed to it on a REMIXING site, but oh well.

I took the liberty of writing a small introduction to this. I wrote it in about ten mintues, so it's not OMG AMAZING!, but it works.
I, Mario introduction wrote:
Rain pattered on the window. Mario sat in his dingy office, awaiting a phonecall. Wearing a faded red hat sporting an 'M', a grease-stained red shirt, and ripped jean-overalls, he sat staring at the telehone. Any phonecall would do, although he preferred one that would give him a paycheck. He had been without food for two days.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!
"Jesus fuck!" he yelled, as he nearly fell out of his chair. That was convenient, he thought. Couldn't have asked for better timing.
"Mario's Pluming, I'll fix your pipes." Note to self: Get a better catchphrase, he thought to himself. I'll never get anywhere in life with a line like that.

Half an hour later, he was sitting in a bathroom two miles away, head in the toilet bowl. A child had dropped a toy into the toilet, and it had become lodged in the pipe. He reached for his plunger. If there was any kind of job he hated, it was this kind. The woman was a pretty young thing, in a pink dress, with long light brown hair. Too bad he was in such terrible clothing, or he might have thought about asking her out later. He continued to contemplate this as he started plunging. It didn't work. He'd have to open the pipes.
After a long fight with the toilet, he was finally able to get access to the pipes. Damn toilet didn't want to come up... he thought to himself. He unscrewed the pipe, and looked down. Bingo. It was a little toy mushroom. He reached down the pipe. The mushroom was just out of reach. He strained his elbow trying to grab it. He could feel the edges of the pipe cutting into his shoulder. The world lurched.

"The fuck is going on?" Mario mumbled. That was the last thing he was able to say, however, as all the air was suddenly taken from his lungs. He felt a rip, not on his clothes, or on his body, but over him, enveloping him. The world he knew became streaked with black, and started dissappearing from around him. The floor dropped away, the black streaking increasing until he was enclosed in nothing but blackness.

When Mario woke up, he could not move, save his head. He could barely think. He couldn't remember where he was, but he saw brown, decaying trees, or what could be best described as trees. He let his head fall to the right. For the next few years, he wished he hadn't. Not six inches from his nose, was a mushroom. A living mushroom, with fangs, and piercing red eyes. The mushroom did not look happy. Mario looked down where his feet were pointed. There were dozens of the mushroom-people. They had tied him down, with long ropes, looking like spider-silk. Mario suddenly had a vision of Gulliver in his mind. He didn't know why. He had hated that book...


If this actually ever turns into anything, I'd love to help. You have my full support.
   
LinkShadow1978
I don't know if anyone has mentioned an idea for the Goombas but I got one. They could be these creatures that look like real mushrooms. They will be about the same size as them too. They attack in large groups, like groups of 20. They have teeth like pirahnas. So they jump all over Mario & Luigi, biting them.

They can also spray spores that latch onto their clothes and grow into other mushrooms. So their numbers can grow and overwhelm the plumbers.

what do you think?
   
saihttamoy
Not Xerol wrote:
What do you think about the texturing on the hammer? I know the wood needs work(I'm going to rotate the 3d texture as soon as I figure out how) but I think the stone should be darker. Or should it be stone at all? Also, about the head, I'm going to try to smooth it out a little later on.

Sorry about the Shrek-like coloring on the body; it was a darker green but Maya's default lights are pretty bright. Right now I'm getting the form down; eventually the claws and some other parts are going to take on different textures, and I'm going to add on the back shell and some other stuff, like tattered rags of clothing.

Also, does anyone have any original pictures for reference? I could just go into my ROMs and get one, but I've got a lot of work to do(i.e. a take-home test I've had 2 weeks to do and is due in less than 12 hours).

My next steps(before continuing work on the head) are to add bones to the body and position it like in the sketch, so I can get the features right. To whomever did that sketch(sorry for not remembering) could you do another angle, or a focus on the head?

(By the way, the body model has over 2500 polygons already. I'm going to reduce it down once I'm done modeling, but if you're planning on using these models in a game I'll really have to simplify them so that performance doesn't suffer.)


Stone is fine for the head, but it'd be nice if it were darker and maybe with a little less contrast. And could the scythe part be longer and more cruel?

About the legs on the model, would it be too much trouble to remodel them a bit? I envisioned them more like tapered stumps with clawed toes on the end, a little like an elephant or something. If not, then I guess they're alright. I feel bad about being demanding on how you model my drawing, since we're lucky to have any model at all.

I don't know how original pictures would help much, since everything is redesigned including color and shape. Just feel your way into a much crueler, darker, and disgusting design.

I'd rather not have to do more pictures of him, because I doubt they'd look like the first one. As I said, I just happened to be in the zone that day. Smile

LinkShadow1978 wrote:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned an idea for the Goombas but I got one. They could be these creatures that look like real mushrooms. They will be about the same size as them too. They attack in large groups, like groups of 20. They have teeth like pirahnas. So they jump all over Mario & Luigi, biting them.

They can also spray spores that latch onto their clothes and grow into other mushrooms. So their numbers can grow and overwhelm the plumbers.

what do you think?


Hmm, sounds more like the small Goombas released by the flying ones in 3. The Goomba was Mario's most basic enemy, so we don't need to get too complex with it. I'll have to make a drawing of it some time, but I'm really busy this week.
   
Too Many Oranges
#ocremix wrote:
[15:36] <Xerol> on a scale of 1-10, how wrong does "I'm boning the hammer brothers model right now" sound?.
[15:37] <SleazyC> 6
[15:37] <Xerol> only 6?


Anyway. About the legs and such: most of the body model's not done. I can shorten the feet(not too much trouble). Color: Like I said before, just a placeholder.

Quote:
And could the scythe part be longer and more cruel?

Right, I'll try to work on that a little once I get the model rigged with joints. I have to put bones inside and attach vertices to them so that I can position the model like in the drawing(it's standard practice to model models in ^that^ position and then position them from there).

Quote:
I feel bad about being demanding on how you model my drawing, since we're lucky to have any model at all.

No, go ahead. Criticism only makes things better.

Anyways, lots of work to do; no time to do it in. Gotta dash.
   
Straziante
Hey, I think it would be rather disgusting of us, but we could just make this into a short game trailer and release it, that way we could get all of the Mario fanboys in a frenzy.
   

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LinkShadow1978
saihttamoy wrote:
LinkShadow1978 wrote:
I don't know if anyone has mentioned an idea for the Goombas but I got one. They could be these creatures that look like real mushrooms. They will be about the same size as them too. They attack in large groups, like groups of 20. They have teeth like pirahnas. So they jump all over Mario & Luigi, biting them.

They can also spray spores that latch onto their clothes and grow into other mushrooms. So their numbers can grow and overwhelm the plumbers.

what do you think?


Hmm, sounds more like the small Goombas released by the flying ones in 3. The Goomba was Mario's most basic enemy, so we don't need to get too complex with it. I'll have to make a drawing of it some time, but I'm really busy this week.


True. I forgot about those from Mario 3. I mentioned the size to give it a more realistic feel. I know the goombas from the orginal were pretty dumb and simple.

How about just making them spray spores onto Mario that make him hallucinate?
   
Too Many Oranges
Waaaay ahead of ya. Most of it's about getting all the models done and a few sample levels.

If someone wants to do a concept of Mario next, I can get working on that model next week.
   
Shael Riley
Totally Straziante! wrote:
Hey, I think it would be rather disgusting of us, but we could just make this into a short game trailer and release it, that way we could get all of the Mario fanboys in a frenzy.



<3 <3 <3
   
Cool Cat Gorveg
Gorveg Arisen wrote:
I finally got around to reading this thread. I like it. Very much. I don't understand why people area opposed to it on a REMIXING site, but oh well.

I took the liberty of writing a small introduction to this. I wrote it in about ten mintues, so it's not OMG AMAZING!, but it works.
I, Mario introduction wrote:
Rain pattered on the window. Mario sat in his dingy office, awaiting a phonecall. Wearing a faded red hat sporting an 'M', a grease-stained red shirt, and ripped jean-overalls, he sat staring at the telehone. Any phonecall would do, although he preferred one that would give him a paycheck. He had been without food for two days.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!
"Jesus fuck!" he yelled, as he nearly fell out of his chair. That was convenient, he thought. Couldn't have asked for better timing.
"Mario's Pluming, I'll fix your pipes." Note to self: Get a better catchphrase, he thought to himself. I'll never get anywhere in life with a line like that.

Half an hour later, he was sitting in a bathroom two miles away, head in the toilet bowl. A child had dropped a toy into the toilet, and it had become lodged in the pipe. He reached for his plunger. If there was any kind of job he hated, it was this kind. The woman was a pretty young thing, in a pink dress, with long light brown hair. Too bad he was in such terrible clothing, or he might have thought about asking her out later. He continued to contemplate this as he started plunging. It didn't work. He'd have to open the pipes.
After a long fight with the toilet, he was finally able to get access to the pipes. Damn toilet didn't want to come up... he thought to himself. He unscrewed the pipe, and looked down. Bingo. It was a little toy mushroom. He reached down the pipe. The mushroom was just out of reach. He strained his elbow trying to grab it. He could feel the edges of the pipe cutting into his shoulder. The world lurched.

"The fuck is going on?" Mario mumbled. That was the last thing he was able to say, however, as all the air was suddenly taken from his lungs. He felt a rip, not on his clothes, or on his body, but over him, enveloping him. The world he knew became streaked with black, and started dissappearing from around him. The floor dropped away, the black streaking increasing until he was enclosed in nothing but blackness.

When Mario woke up, he could not move, save his head. He could barely think. He couldn't remember where he was, but he saw brown, decaying trees, or what could be best described as trees. He let his head fall to the right. For the next few years, he wished he hadn't. Not six inches from his nose, was a mushroom. A living mushroom, with fangs, and piercing red eyes. The mushroom did not look happy. Mario looked down where his feet were pointed. There were dozens of the mushroom-people. They had tied him down, with long ropes, looking like spider-silk. Mario suddenly had a vision of Gulliver in his mind. He didn't know why. He had hated that book...


If this actually ever turns into anything, I'd love to help. You have my full support.

<_<
>_>
Sad
   
Yoozer
Not Xerol wrote:

If someone wants to do a concept of Mario next, I can get working on that model next week.


w00t.

http://www.foulmag.com/images/image_69.jpg
   
Mr. 1-Up
Gorveg Arisen wrote:
Gorveg Arisen wrote:
I finally got around to reading this thread. I like it. Very much. I don't understand why people area opposed to it on a REMIXING site, but oh well.

I took the liberty of writing a small introduction to this. I wrote it in about ten mintues, so it's not OMG AMAZING!, but it works.
I, Mario introduction wrote:
Rain pattered on the window. Mario sat in his dingy office, awaiting a phonecall. Wearing a faded red hat sporting an 'M', a grease-stained red shirt, and ripped jean-overalls, he sat staring at the telehone. Any phonecall would do, although he preferred one that would give him a paycheck. He had been without food for two days.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!
"Jesus fuck!" he yelled, as he nearly fell out of his chair. That was convenient, he thought. Couldn't have asked for better timing.
"Mario's Pluming, I'll fix your pipes." Note to self: Get a better catchphrase, he thought to himself. I'll never get anywhere in life with a line like that.

Half an hour later, he was sitting in a bathroom two miles away, head in the toilet bowl. A child had dropped a toy into the toilet, and it had become lodged in the pipe. He reached for his plunger. If there was any kind of job he hated, it was this kind. The woman was a pretty young thing, in a pink dress, with long light brown hair. Too bad he was in such terrible clothing, or he might have thought about asking her out later. He continued to contemplate this as he started plunging. It didn't work. He'd have to open the pipes.
After a long fight with the toilet, he was finally able to get access to the pipes. Damn toilet didn't want to come up... he thought to himself. He unscrewed the pipe, and looked down. Bingo. It was a little toy mushroom. He reached down the pipe. The mushroom was just out of reach. He strained his elbow trying to grab it. He could feel the edges of the pipe cutting into his shoulder. The world lurched.

"The fuck is going on?" Mario mumbled. That was the last thing he was able to say, however, as all the air was suddenly taken from his lungs. He felt a rip, not on his clothes, or on his body, but over him, enveloping him. The world he knew became streaked with black, and started dissappearing from around him. The floor dropped away, the black streaking increasing until he was enclosed in nothing but blackness.

When Mario woke up, he could not move, save his head. He could barely think. He couldn't remember where he was, but he saw brown, decaying trees, or what could be best described as trees. He let his head fall to the right. For the next few years, he wished he hadn't. Not six inches from his nose, was a mushroom. A living mushroom, with fangs, and piercing red eyes. The mushroom did not look happy. Mario looked down where his feet were pointed. There were dozens of the mushroom-people. They had tied him down, with long ropes, looking like spider-silk. Mario suddenly had a vision of Gulliver in his mind. He didn't know why. He had hated that book...


If this actually ever turns into anything, I'd love to help. You have my full support.

<_<
>_>
Sad


Nice work, Gorveg. I love it.
   
Straziante
I've been tinkering around with some music. Would we like to remix the original tunes, or come up with something original?

Also, I thought that this would be pretty interesting if we set the game in 1985-1986 when the game originally came out. Nothing screams "flashy cool drug-related violence" like the Reagan years.

I also thought that we should update Mario's threads into something like blue jeans, a red work shirt, and a Dodgers hat. The overalls are too worn out, in my opinion.

I still don't like the idea of Mario still being a plumber. A plumber as a front sounds better to me. I mean, how many plumbers can afford enough drugs to get where we're going?

Just some ideas.
   
Sentora
Totally Straziante! wrote:
I've been tinkering around with some music. Would we like to remix the original tunes, or come up with something original?

Also, I thought that this would be pretty interesting if we set the game in 1985-1986 when the game originally came out. Nothing screams "flashy cool drug-related violence" like the Reagan years.

I also thought that we should update Mario's threads into something like blue jeans, a red work shirt, and a Dodgers hat. The overalls are too worn out, in my opinion.

I still don't like the idea of Mario still being a plumber. A plumber as a front sounds better to me. I mean, how many plumbers can afford enough drugs to get where we're going?

Just some ideas.


If any of the orginal songs will be remixed for this, you gotta do 1-2's underground theme and The Castle theme. I think those two can really be remade into something epic or battle scene worthy.

Oh, another thing. If Luigi's gotta die, then he deserves at least one kick ass battle scene before he does. I'd like to see him go up against Lakitu personally Twisted Evil
   
-rz-
Totally Straziante! wrote:
I still don't like the idea of Mario still being a plumber. A plumber as a front sounds better to me. I mean, how many plumbers can afford enough drugs to get where we're going?


Mario - Plumber = not Mario.

If we're going for a main character who is not Mario, this isn't going to be a Mario game.


It's like saying, "Hey, I've got an idea : Mario is gonna be a blue-haired punk who looks like a hedgehog"

c'mon, people must still recognize Mario in the main character. Wink


Totally Straziante! wrote:

Also, I thought that this would be pretty interesting if we set the game in 1985-1986 when the game originally came out. Nothing screams "flashy cool drug-related violence" like the Reagan years.


Now, THAT's a good idea. Very Happy
   
Straziante
Well, I posted what I thought should happen to Luigi earlier in the thread. A major gang beating or something along those lines. I also liked the idea for the MK to be a hallucination. I can't listen to Shael's stuff cos it's in .OGG format. But I'll see what he thinks about the music situation.

Personally, I'd like to make some sort of trailer for this (preferable coming out on GCN and PS2). If we could do a hack or something like that, to where we could have an actual playable game, that would be awesome.

EDIT: Okay, so how about Mario being a plumber AND an errand boy for the mob? The overalls have got to go, though. Coveralls could work, but really, let's get rid of the overalls. Let's put him in a "FRANKIE SAYS RELAX" shirt.
   
-JiNxX-
you people are all fucking crazy, and I love it.

I just read this whole thread and every new idea was like "oh my god that's awesome".

I keep thinking that the demon Lakitu you guys describe should be like the flying bastard from the first level of House of the Dead 2.
   
Dark Monkey
I've only read up to page 6 and want to post some ideas of mine before I have to leave. Forgive me if they've been thought of before.

I really like the idea of Bowser having a group of his army act as scientists, developing things like bob-ombs, bullet bills, mecha koopas (Super Mario World), and Lakitu clouds. I think the Lakitus could make great scientists.

I don't like the idea of having Lakitus as these big fat guys in mechs, or little satan spawns. Since Lakitus were always some of the smarter looking enemies, I think it would be more fitting if they were Bowser's scientists, and looked similar to the original series' design. They could be helpless by themselves, but with their death machines they could be a menace.

Also Shy Guys could be some kind of racist group of Toads, like the KKK. Or possibly nuetral guys. I don't think they ever really worked for Bowser. They worked for Wart in SMB2, but in Yoshi's Island and Paper Mario they seemed to just be a part of the environment, forming their own alliegences.
   
Straziante
Box art, anyone?
   
Dark Monkey
Also I think it would be best if Mario were just a regular plumber before the Mushroom kingdom incident. It would better show the change in his personality through his adventures, going from a regular man to a drug addicted homicidal maniac.
   
Mr. 1-Up
Dark Monkey wrote:
Also Shy Guys could be some kind of racist group of Toads, like the KKK. Or possibly nuetral guys. I don't think they ever really worked for Bowser. They worked for Wart in SMB2, but in Yoshi's Island and Paper Mario they seemed to just be a part of the environment, forming their own alliegences.


Shy Guys DO work for Bowser. In Paper Mario, they were told to guard a Star Spirit. In return, they could do whatever they wanted.

We also need puzzles, if it is to be a survival horror. If more action-orianted, then forget the puzzles.