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TBWWB Terrian King
Saturday, 18 October 2003
Reilly and Bennett
" Name: Kenneth
E-Mail: printers5@juno.com

Does anyone know if Reilly was a real person at one time? If Eve was created by Bennett, then how old would Reilly be? He would have had to live before the super computer was created in order for it to learn about him and use his image to interact with Julia.

Thursday, 16 October 2003 - 5:49 PM CDT

Name: Richard
E-Mail: richtc73@yahoo.com

Something was sending info back tothe stations so I just assume it is Eve. Before that would be Bennett and his party, and whatever othr teams were on the planetobserving the penal colonists. I doubt if thereis anything in orbit. I think Eve was misleadingthe ZED about that. reilly could have been an original observer and Bennet would have accessto his records to input when he build Eve. i think the odds are he died on the planetbefore Bennett got there. I don't think anyone has ever gone back to the stations aliveafter being sent there.

Thursday, 16 October 2003 - 7:43 PM CDT

Name: Beverly
E-Mail: e2fanbev@yahoo.com

Maybe there was an orbiting observation craft at one time. Eve turned out to be much more powerful than Bennett planned. I can see her killing everyone on the 'satellite' and absorbing their computer data in her effort to stop Bennett's virus from killing her. "




You have some good ideas there, guys.
I think Reilly was once a real person, too, and that he might have been one of the first observers of the initial penal colonists sent to the planet. I don't think he was ever in an orbiting platform, but that idea is a good one. I like it.

I theorized he and several others watched from a ground base established by the Council when the planet was first discovered. The hovercraft, like that the EA team were supposed to have with them, might have been a means of spying on the convicts. Also there were probably satellites in orbit for surveillance, too.
I also like the idea that he might never have gone back to the stations. Maybe he and his group of observers were rejected by the planet, too, just as the Bennett people would be years later, and they died. Even though Reilly seemed to have hit on the connection between young children and establishing a link with the planet, he killed a child when he tried to find out how the link was established. That could not have sat well with the planet.
That's why I don't think he was ever in a station in orbit. He had to have close access to the convicts, and later, their children.
Still, I like the idea. I just have to figure out how to make it work.

I always thought also, the Bennett team was rejected because they did not try to live on the surface as colonists would. They were always expecting to go back to the stations, so maybe they had recyclers for their water and enough consumables with them to stay five years. I don't think they ever tried to survive off the planet like the convicts and, later, the EA group had to do.
Bennett built Eve, probably back at the stations, and released her into G889 orbit to monitor them and relay information back to the stations.
But unknown to him, the Council was covering all the bases. They sent the ZEDs to the planet to monitor (and kill) convicts, while Bennett and Anson were studying the planet itself.
After dealing with Bennett's Venus class ship when Bennett tried to leave, Eve probably then appeared to the ZEDs as Reilly, and they might have been able to track her signal into orbit- they were heavily computerized- and it would be nothing to her to lie as Reilly and say he was in an observation satellite.

If you remember in "First Contact" the EA ship never received it's Level 6 clearance before making a run for it. I remember talking about this with my brother once and we thought maybe all ships meant for exploration or colonization had to have a clearance that ordinary freighters and pleasure craft between the stations didn't have to have. We thought this might explain why Bennett and Anson were so sure Devon must know why the planet was rejecting them. Maybe Level 6 clearances gave the departing crews addtional information about the places they were going. In this case, a warning about the planet's history of rejecting humans.
Since the Council seems to have had no intention of letting Adair's ships leave, they never had the need to tell her anything more than what she wanted to hear.
If they had been able to force her into accepting Council partnership in her project, think of how differently the matter would have turned out!




Posted by scifi2/terrian_king at 4:56 PM CDT
Updated: Saturday, 18 October 2003 5:01 PM CDT
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Sunday, 19 October 2003 - 4:30 PM CDT

Name: Kenneth

It always puzzled me, too, that Elizabeth took it for granted Devon knew what she was talking about when she mentioned the planet rejecting humans. As if she was supposed to know this. It's still puzzling because the planet doesn't really reject humans at all. It seems as if the humans who live in symbiosis with it are thriving.

Sunday, 19 October 2003 - 10:15 PM CDT

Name: Dana

The latest chapter of the story has brought up a lot of questions for me.
If the planet isn't rejecting Devon then what is happening to her? Bennett and Elizabeth died of a cold sleep illness didn't they? Why were they so sure it was rejection?
Does anyone know if there really were other survivors from the ship? I was thinking that if everyone who didn't make it into Devon's pod was crowded into the other pod it really should have smashed apart on impact. It would have been carrying over twice it's limit!

Tuesday, 21 October 2003 - 7:03 PM CDT

Name: Robert

As far as Devon's illness is concerned, I never believed it was the planet rejecting her. Remember in Mooncross when the child, Mary, lost her ability to go into the fog with the Terrians? They told Alonzo it was because she lost her link to humans when her parents were killed and so she could no longer be the link between the two species. The planet knows if Devon dies, Uly will lose his link, no matter how much more pronounced his genetic changes might be, to humans. The planet would be doing itself a great disservice by rejecting her and thus losing Uly.
I think Devon is fighting an illnes that the bio-chips the others have was able to defeat. It's up to Julia to find an answer.

Wednesday, 22 October 2003 - 7:57 PM CDT

Name: Dana

OK. I can buy that. I don't understand the rejection theory at all. What the basis for it was. That was never really explained.

Thursday, 23 October 2003 - 7:28 PM CDT

Name: Richard

I came to that conclusion too. Why wouldthe planet reject Devon when it knows whatthat could lead to? there has to be a viable linkto humans as well as the planet in order for Uly to function. Taking devon away would ruin that. Bennett and elizbeth were way off track there. any rejectiuon was happening to them and only them.

Saturday, 25 October 2003 - 11:07 AM CDT

Name: Beverly

All of this talk got me interested enough to watch AAE again. Bennett's group arrived at G889 fifty odd years before Eden Advance did, so adding the 22 year journey to that and Reilly's apparent age of late 40s to early 50s, he would have been a Council member about 75 years before AAE. He would have been long dead before anyone in EA was ever born. So it would seem likely, as Rob suggested, Bennett had access to Reilly's records and knowledge of the planet to download into Eve. Elizabeth told Julia the Council made the Bennett team think they were going off on a glorious mission to save the world. Bennett would have given his computer all the accumulated knowledge at the Council's disposal in order for it to help and monitor his team when it reached G889.
The odd thing about the episode is how certain B&E were that the planet was rejecting humans. Elizabeth was so sure the convicts still alive were actually dying, too.
Any thoughts?

Saturday, 25 October 2003 - 2:29 PM CDT

Name: Robert

Maybe that's what was happening in her day. Elizabeth was in cold sleep for fifty years. Gaal, Shepperd and the Elder would have arrived on the planet during that time and learned to survive. After killing everyone he arrived with, Gaal made it by befriending the grendlers. Maybe the other early convicts were the same way,turning on each other and fighting for supremacy instead of learning to survive. Bennett's group would have seen that kind of behavior.
The Elder's people came later and befriended the Terrians and began living underground as they did. They thrived, even had children. Whalen survived by becoming like a grendler and living off the land.
I think the problem with Bennett's people is that they did not accept the planet so the planet did not accept them. It's a living entity, remember. They might have made no secret of the fact they were there to learn all they could about the place in order for the Council to conquer it. They were there for only five years before coming to their conclusion. The penal colonists who came later, after Bennett and his people went into cold sleep, were different. For the most part they were not murderers or violent people but more political prisoners than anything else. They learned to adapt to the planet and survive. Mary's parents would have, too, if not for the rogue Terrians. Whalen's parents and their group, too, if Whalen Sr. hadn't gone mad.
Bennett and Elizabeth were probably observing the violent, unstable colonists who wouldn't have survived long under any circumstances..

Sunday, 26 October 2003 - 10:51 AM CDT

Name: Beverly

I'm amending my own thoughts here. Yale and Alonzo would have been born and in the time Reilly was a powerful Council member, and some of the others, too. Even if Reilly lived to be a hundred, he still would have died twenty five years before the launch of the Eden Project. Most of the group would have been youngsters.

Sunday, 26 October 2003 - 11:06 AM CDT

Name: Beverly

So you think planet rejection might have been automatic as far as they were concerned? The Terrians and the Mother would have recognized them as undesirable and simply not helped them try to survive.
That thought brings to mind the scene in "Water" where the Terrian uses a cactus to give water to unconscious John, and then leaves it on his chest so he'll know where the water came from.
The Terrians would never have bothered to teach convicts like Gaal about finding water there. He probably observed the grendlers and became a pack rat like them and stayed alive.

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