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About Common Talk

The Horror Show – awful official documents

Telling it such as it is – involving ordinary people in plain English

 

Common Talk

Common Talk is an organisation for people who are interested in plain English.

We include, involve, and support people who:

§         feel frustrated by complicated forms;

§         get annoyed by wordy letters;

§         want organisations that affect their lives to write in language they can understand.

Anyone can get involved in Common Talk. It is not just for professionals. But professional plain-English editors and trainers are more than welcome to join in.

We also welcome people who work for public bodies, utilities, or private companies; we would like to hear your views on how to improve communications with the public.

Our organisation is at an early stage. All of us are volunteers. We want to improve our website as soon as we can.

 

Want to beat the bureaucrats? We may be able to help.

Have you received an unhelpful letter or form? Tell us about it. We’ll do what we can to help. You might want us to try to explain what it means, or to put you in touch with someone else who can. You might want us to complain about it for you. Or you might just want to tell us about it.

We won’t do anything with the information you send us without your permission – we’ll leave you in control.

We won’t give out your name or e-mail address. We won’t store information about you. And we won’t send you any spam.

Tell us about the document you have received. It could be a form, a letter, a report, or a bill. Send us the full text of the document if you can. If you can’t, just give us the gist. Remember to say why you found it unhelpful and how you would like us to help.

Send us an e-mail at Common Talk

 

Our e-mail group

Our e-mail group, also called Common Talk, is for anyone who is interested in plain English. In our e-mail group, we:

§         share stories about useless letters, forms, and reports;

§         exchange tips for outsmarting organisations that communicate badly with the people they’re supposed to serve;

§         listen to people who are finding official documents difficult to understand; and

§         share information about places that can help individuals who are on the receiving end of poor communications.

You can join the Common Talk e-mail group by sending a blank e-mail to:

commontalk-subscribe@topica.com

The e-mail group Common Talk has no rules. But it helps to remember a few things.

§         Most of our members are from Oxford in the UK. But we also have members from outside Oxford, and from outside the UK. If you want to talk about things that are going on in Oxford, please do. But try to make it easy for people from outside Oxford to follow.

§         We have some members who don’t want to give out too much information about themselves. Some fear reprisals from organisations they’ve told us about. Others do not want to talk about their employers or clients. So please be understanding if you ask someone a question about themselves and they don’t reply.

§         Some people find it daunting to write to an e-mail group, especially the first time they do it. Please take serious questions and comments seriously, especially if you don’t know the person that has sent them in.

 

About Common Talk

Common Talk was set up by Sarah Margetts. Sarah has been involved in local politics for the past 15 years. She has seen the problems that many people have with unhelpful letters and forms. Currently, Sarah is a co-ordinator of East Oxford Housing Watch, a group that campaigns to improve private-rented housing in East Oxford.
To get in touch with Sarah, send an e-mail to:
e.sarah@ntlworld.com
or write to her at:
8 Tyndale Road
Oxford
OX4 1JL
UK

+44 (0)1865 437111

Other supporters of Common Talk include:

§         Stan Taylor: Oxford City Councillor for Cowley Marsh Ward and former leader of Oxford City Council (Labour Party)
Stan says:

“This is a very important group. I have read (and probably written) unintelligible English for 50 years. It is time we started to talk clearly to one another.”

§         David Rundle: Oxford City Councillor for Headington Ward (Liberal Democrat)

§         Stephen Tall: Oxford City Councillor for Headington Ward (Liberal Democrat)

 

The Horror Show – awful official documents

Our first example is an extract from a document by Oxfordshire County Council. The document was a report to councillors. We believe that councillors should be able to understand reports such as this one. Members of the public who come to council meetings should be able to understand them too.

The extract here describes efforts to provide faster Internet access.

The first phase of the Project has primarily focused on the roll-out to schools and libraries in order to meet the timetable commitments attached to the funding streams. The OCN team is confident that by September this year, connection of virtually all the County’s schools and libraries will have been achieved.

The costs of implementation have been higher than expected for a number of reasons, principally: variations in schools’ existing local area networks; conversions of existing facilities to preserve continuity of service from existing suppliers; and electricity supply problems at both County Hall and Macclesfield House. It was also found necessary to enhance the level of support and training for the migration of schools to the new network.

Subsequent phases of the project encompass three main areas:

(i) Replacement of Oxfordshire County Council’s internal Wide Area Network;

(ii) Joint e-government projects with the District Councils and other (public sector) partner organisations;

(iii) Use by communities, rural Small and Medium Sized enterprises, and the viability of being able to offer Broadband connection to domestic subscribers, making Oxfordshire a truly "wired county".

If you feel that this extract is hard to follow, please send an e-mail to Oxfordshire County Council’s chief executive at richard.shaw@oxfordshire.gov.uk. Explain briefly and politely that you would like the council’s reports to be clearer. Please let us know about any reply you receive.

 

Telling it such as it is – involving ordinary people in plain English

Sarah Margetts, who set up Common Talk, talks about making plain English meaningful to ordinary people – and about making ordinary people meaningful to the plain-English movement.

Many of the people I talk to don’t know what plain English is. Is it swearing at people? Is it when they give you an easy-to-read leaflet instead of the information you really want? Is it when the government says you’ll get “more money”?

In fact, many of the people I talk to don’t care what plain English is. They just want things to get better. They want their houses repaired; they want somewhere they can park their car; they want their rubbish collecting – and they want it collecting on the right day.

When these people don’t get what they want, they do what most people do when they don’t get what they want. They get angry.

Sometimes people don’t get what they want because there’s no money. Often, it’s because the people who run things spend more time networking and penning strategic documents than putting things right.

But, sometimes they don’t get what they want because it’s difficult to lobby for repairs to their homes when the reports don’t tell them where the money comes from. Sometimes it’s because they haven’t had the patience to read the small print on the form they’ve got to fill in if they want to park their car. And sometimes it’s because they haven’t had a leaflet saying the rubbish-collection dates are about to change.

When things go wrong, most people don’t care why they’ve gone wrong. They don’t distinguish unhelpful communications from all the other things that don’t help.

They just want the whole lot sorting out.

If you tell them you want to bring people in to work on communications, they say, “Another lot of bloody consultants! What good have consultants ever done us?”

And they do have a point.

To find out what ordinary people think about official English, you have to listen to their suspicion about plain English.

And you have to help them with the other problems that go with official English.

They may come to you with a bundle of letters that no-one can understand. Often the letters will be replies to letters of their own asking to be moved out of a house that’s too small. They don’t want you to get the letters rewritten. They want you to get them moved.

But, once you’ve tried to do that, they’ll tell you exactly what they think of official letters.

They’ll tell you they want people to spell their names right. They’ll tell you that what they want to hear first – at the start of the letter – is whether they’ll get housed. They’ll say they want to hear that before they’re told about all the deliberations that have gone into the decision. And, if they’re working 60 hours a week for different employers, they’ll tell you they take exception to letters saying that housing officers are busy people.

They’ll say it’s a hassle to have to go back, with children in tow, to the same office – three times – to prove that they’re them, because the claim form didn’t say what proof of identity was. In any case, they’ll point out, they’ve been going into the same office for eight years. “Surely the people there remember my name by now?”

When they’re at the end of their tether, they’ll say they could run things better themselves.

And usually they’re right.

But once their latest crisis is over, they’ll be witty as well as perceptive about official letters and forms. They’ll say that a “joint operation” by highways and planning sounds like a way of jumping health-service queues. And they’ll translate euphemistic reports about their circumstances with glee.

And once you’ve taken the trouble to look at it their way, they might change their minds about plain English. They might say they want to be involved too.

But they’ll want it to be on their terms.

They’ll say that if they shop a useless letter, they want you to do something about the whole thing. They’ll want to tell you how confusing it was but they’ll also want to tell you how it’s going to affect their lives.

They say they’ll stop giving you information if you use it for purposes they haven’t agreed to. They won’t thank you for publicising a letter without their permission. If they do say you can publicise a letter, they want to be in control of the publicity.

Sometimes they’ll want the public credit for getting an organisation into trouble. Other times, they’ll want shielding from the intrusions that publicity can bring.

Certainly, they won’t thank you if you don’t thank them. If you get the letter replaced with a better one, they want to hear that something has changed because they went to the effort of telling you about it. That is the only thanks they want.

And if you can’t do anything about the letter, they don’t want another long letter that pretends to be an apology but is really just self-justification and self-explanation. They want you to say you’re sorry. That is the only apology they want.