Robyn says:
and now im going to go eat something before coming back to tackle an essay
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
oh
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
whats it on?
Robyn says:
english lit poetry
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
anything in particular?
Robyn says:
their view point on god
Robyn says:
very suitable for the oldest cynic in the book
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
hehe
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
and what is their view on god?
Robyn says:
i dont know, i havent read them yet
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
he might not exsist but I'd rather pretend he does just in case....
Robyn says:
because your scared
Robyn says:
scared of what you dont know
Robyn says:
hanging on to a fictional character 'just incase'
Robyn says:
the concept of religion is so ridiculous to me
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
I very much doubt he's entirly fictional....I'm sure the bible is based on something
Robyn says:
i mean people can believe whatever they want
Robyn says:
(as long as they dont shove it down my throat)
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
yes but those who don't belive in catholasism will die a horrible death and burn in hell for ever
Robyn says:
but i dont understnad why people dont see religion as what it is, a set of moral guidelines set out with a fictional threat behind them
Robyn says:
i got morals but i dont need threatened into ut
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
because people need something to live this life
Robyn says:
i just need me
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
if there was no promise of something good at the end of this life the world would be even more chaotic than it is.
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
there would be no morals
Robyn says:
i can understnad why people need it, but its just weak thinking
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
there would be endless suicides
Robyn says:
there would be morals, people without religion are moral as well
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
no it's not.  Why would anyone adhear to any kind of moral code if they didn't have any kind of beleif structure to guide them?
Robyn says:
because they believed within themselves that things are right and wrong
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
no without religion no one would have written anykind of moral code and there would be no laws and the world would not have evolved as it has
Robyn says:
oh no im not debating that, people used to NEED religion
Robyn says:
it did establish the morals of today
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
many still do
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
it is important
Robyn says:
but to genuinely BELIEVE in it is ridiculous
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
do you believe in an afterlife?
Robyn says:
especially considering how many contradictions there are
Robyn says:
no
Robyn says:
you live you die your done
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
so what happens to you when you die?
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
that is ridiculous....
Robyn says:
what lives on is the impact you make in the world
Robyn says:
the people you affect, the babies you might have, the movements you make
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
so what happens to your spirit or your soul when you die?
Robyn says:
dont believe in either
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
you don't belive you have a soul?
Robyn says:
spirit? soul? honey you just a bunch of electrical charges
Robyn says:
nope
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
that is insane...
Robyn says:
people tend to forget we just animals evolved a bit
Robyn says:
we no different from your tiny insects or your dog. do they go to insect heaven?
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
so I assume you don't have any kind of belief in anything paranormal or anything?
Robyn says:
nope
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
yes they do....
Robyn says:
i believe there are things we cant/dont understand but i dont put it down to any fictional creation
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
so if I wanted to do a oiuji board/seance type thing you'd have no quams about taking part?
Robyn says:
i wouldnt but not out of fear, out of the fact it is so stupid it would be a waste of time
Robyn says:
again there may be things that we dont understand that in time we might
Robyn says:
think back to the origins of religion
Robyn says:
early man looked at the sky and saw the sun moving
Robyn says:
now he KNEW things around him couldnt move without something to make them move
Robyn says:
so they created an idea that a 'god' type creature pushed it
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
I know the bible as such is a book, it's a fictional account but it has to be based on somethin
Robyn says:
because they didnt have the knowledge to know better
Robyn says:
people believe what they want to believe
Robyn says:
the more we learn, the less we account to a 'god'
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
I belive in a god type creature....not the bibles definition but I believe in Him and believe there is something after this life....there has to be otherwise whats the point
Robyn says:
yes it IS based on something, it is based on knowing what is right and wrong and making up stories to explain why
Robyn says:
the point is to do the best you can, to touch as many people as you can, to leave something behind you that made it all worth while
Robyn says:
there doesnt have to be a 'point'
Robyn says:
does your insect have a 'point' in life
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
yes but how do you know....why do this, whats your reward for doing your best and touching people and leaving things behind
Robyn says:
knowing that ive done it, i dont need a reward to motivate me
Robyn says:
its like bribary and threats, that all religion creates
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
insects work as a collective mind to get through life...they do the same thing we do only in a shorter time....
Robyn says:
it threatens you out of doing the bad things and motivates you with rewards
Robyn says:
its people control
Robyn says:
and people as a whole are stupid
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
yes
Robyn says:
and will swallow anything
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
and it should
Robyn says:
im just sayign that me as an individual dont need to be bribed to live my life
Robyn says:
im strong enough in my own self to operate without it
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
there has to be a reward when we cross over....otherwise this life is worthless
Robyn says:
rubbish! live life for what it is now rather than for what might be later
Robyn says:
because if you get there and your wrong then your whole life has been wasted
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
there are too many accounts of people experiencing some kind of afterlife for it to not be true....
Robyn says:
bollocks
Robyn says:
they disprove them all the time
Robyn says:
take the 'tunnel of light' bit
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
with science
Robyn says:
for YEARS that was the standard example of a 'near death experiance'
Robyn says:
no one could explain it
Robyn says:
it was 'obviously' god
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
science doesn't come into it when it comes to the afterlife and things
Robyn says:
science comes into everything
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
noit doesnt
Robyn says:
but then they discovered that when your brain is starved of oxygen it makes your eyesight contract
Robyn says:
only sometimes, but often enough
Robyn says:
and it gives the appearance of a tunnel with light at the end
Robyn says:
so that disproved hundreds of accounts that before had been text book
Robyn says:
we are continually coming to conclusions and then learning more and discounting them
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
it doesn't disprove anything
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
it's a theory....thats all
Robyn says:
its a fact
Robyn says:
its an explanation for what was previously unexplainable
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
they can't prove as a fact that the guy from travis didn't see a sign from god in the form of a bright light and his family flash before his eyes as he lay dying at the bottom of that pool....
Robyn says:
(off subject, would you mind if I stuck this conversation in my diary, its interesting)
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
(erm....it depends where it ends up)
Robyn says:
no no you cant prove that he didnt see it, that is what he saw - great
Robyn says:
but you can prove/dis-prove WHY he saw it
Robyn says:
(*laughs at the fact she had sworn blind never to have this discussion with anyone ever again*)
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
no you can't....they can theorise that it was the retraction of the cornea and the muscles in his eyes and brain flashes etc that caused it but they CANNOT prove that it WASN'T a sign from god for him to fight his way back to life...
Robyn says:
its ridiculous
Robyn says:
in the same way they cant say that we dont breathe but that god blows air into our lungs
Robyn says:
in the same way they cant prove that we walk by the contraction and relaxation of muscles and not by some unearthy carrying force
Robyn says:
its just beyond my comprehension that anyone could find that believable
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
it's ridiculous that you can think we are born and die and thats it....it's ridiculous you can dismiss thousands of years of belief systems, it's ridiculous you can dismis the hundreds or thousands of psychics and mediums and people like that who for centuries have done many things with contacting the dead 
Robyn says:
well its not because i know why people think like that
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
yes many (probably most) are fakes but many many arn't
Robyn says:
i can dismiss it because as a race we constantly find 'facts' and then disprove them
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
and remember....the best scientists in the world once thought the earth was flat
Robyn says:
exactly!
Robyn says:
i was just abuot to say the very same thing!
Robyn says:
but to prove another point
Robyn says:
if we dont understand we MAKE something we can
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
they they thought sand was the smallest thing, then they cut the sand in half and continued cutting it till they got to an atom...then that was the smallest thing...then what happened....the cut that in half too
Robyn says:
so the scientists thoguht the world was flat, it was a FACT
Robyn says:
and then they learnt more and realised it wasnt
Robyn says:
people can speak to ghosts, is that a fact or is it just something that with knowledge can be dis-proven
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
exactly....so they may say it's a FACT that so and so did this and that and it wasn't anything to do with god....but they may be wrong...and by then you'll have drugged and shagged and sinned your way to hell...
Robyn says:
believe me, hell i can cope with
Robyn says:
at least i wont be lonely
Robyn says:
because if we take the letter of the lord to a tee YOUR ALL BLOODY SINNERS
Robyn says:
THATS another thing that annoys me about religion
Robyn says:
its SELECTIVE
Robyn says:
people PICK the bits they want to believe
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
well thats true I do that
Robyn says:
they go along to church on a sunday and chant their chants and wave their beads...
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
but then you quit smoking but will still smoke hash...same thing love
Robyn says:
...then spend the rest of the week  doign the opposite to what it preachers
Robyn says:
and in so far as the bible goes AGAIN people are selective
Robyn says:
its got stuff in it about not eatting pigs
Robyn says:
but the holiest of the holiest eat it
Robyn says:
SELECTIVE
Robyn says:
depending
Robyn says:
people pick the bits they want to hear and ignore the rest
Robyn says:
and its so CONTRADICTIONARY
Robyn says:
like "love thy neighbour"
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
yes well it doesn't say anything about not shagging little boys yet thats frowned upon 
Robyn says:
people always forget abuot the sub-clause "unless they are gay, from another religion, or different from you in any way"
Robyn says:
does actually, i think its in the book after genisus
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
no I'd agree with that....gays, black, protestents.....kill em all....kill them all...
Robyn says:
heheee 
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
*that last bit was a joke readers*
Robyn says:
as for people like me, we should be strung up quickly before we spread our sin any further
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
ok must go for dinner....that was fun.....feel free to put it on the diary but re-edit it slightly so it flows.
Robyn says:
will do
Robyn says:
thanks
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
yes...you should be hung in the middle of george squar as an example to all
Robyn says:
heheee and ritually flogged
Robyn says:
we shuld write books
Robyn says:
and books
Robyn says:
the discussions of robyn and chris
Robyn says:
the mind boggles
Tenacious C - sleeping says:
and bukes
Robyn says:
hehee ok enjoy tea
Robyn says:
byex