ADD Religion 2005.07.04
--- god
--- tarot --- judaism
vs zionism
--- jesus
christ
--- 666 --- islam
--- islamic christian
--- world's religions/ a
continuum --
I
am islamic christian
islam/ 2nd
coming
jesus
christ/ house divided can.t stand
house
of theocracy
house of
god-is-omnipotent
house of a sinful
world
a nation
divided cannot stand
christian/ bible-based christianity
christian/ soul
jesus
christ/ pornography
jesus
christ/ poor always
god/ can
he speak audibly?
. the intelligent supernatural force, or god in our lives,
is the same as that in the knowledge and writings of the ancients
. the knowledge of ancients may not have been quite an icon of critical
thinking,
and our treatment of secret teaching and the tarot
may be tainted by a reveling in, or revulsion of, the supernatural;
but,
the tarot is still of interest in the
study of religion,
as an account of what knowledge
the ancients perceived as being of god, or a source if personal power .
world's
religions/a
continuum
. if the months were actually lunar, there would be 13 of them;
I used this hypothetical occassion to
modernize the naming of our calender's months:
1 hinduber -- hinduism: the
oldest religion with many gods
2 judeber -- judaism: one god
for the chosen
3 christiber -- christianity:
one god for all
4 islamber -- islam: one god
without a son
5 humanber -- humanism:
sensible rationalism
6 democraber -- democracy:
popular rationalism
7 hedoniber -- hedonism:
asocial rationalism
8 chaotiber -- chaos:
survivalist rationalis
9 nationaber -- nationalism:
solidarity in wars
A recober -- reconstruction
& reconciliation
B automaber -- automation:
peace through cybernetics and robotics
C transolber -- trans.solar:
star migration for eternal civilization
D dreamber -- the dream: full
bionics with cybernetic dream synthesis
I
am islamic christian
. or was that a christian muslim? an islamic christian is one who
believes that,
although there was a supernatural event that surrounded and
used
christ,
he was not a supernatural being
. the islamic christian sympathizes with christ's desire to
see a
return to
religion serving the people rather than the elite;
one that cares for those that cannot care for themselves,
and one who believes that
everyone should treat community members as self
because eternal community is
everything
. but the islamic christian's unique purpose is to
uphold science and critical thinking;
to tell us what is wrong with the theories of early christians;
thereby sustaining the flame of science in the matters of
religion
. indeed, just like early and traditional christianity has
been a
spoof of judaism,
islam has been a spoof of christianity,
and a reaction against it's militant invasiveness
. the muslim's basic question was:
"( traditional christianity is obviously wrong; so then,
what is right? ) .
vice versa:
. a christian muslim is one who does to their own muslim religion what
christ did to his own jewish religion:
he pointed out how they had lost sight of the original vision
. the purpose of religion was to save man from nature;
but the jews of christ's time had created
a jungle of bureaucracy that served not man,
but the social class of theocrats
. a christian muslim believes that muslim's rightly point out
how christians have really gone off the deep end
with their interpretation of christ's story,
and that the muslims really needed their own religion
to give them the social cohesion necessary to fight the
christian
invasions;
. but a christian muslim also reinterprets islamic documents,
believing istead,
that to be honest, we must admit
that
although humans can know that revelation is of the supernatural,
man cannot know what is of god; ie, what is good;
eg, if intuition is supernatural,
and all supernatural communication is of god;
then what does thoughtless or impulsive mean?
only science and critical thinking can determine what is good;
eg, science can tell you that it may be fine and necessary to
insulate
your people from technology and mass media;
but, it will also tell you
that if you do not nurture a technical class
then technically adept
aliens will overrun your sovereignty
. a christian interpretation would suggest that
if mohammed's messages
were from the christian god,
then god's style of writing should be
considered spoof:
ie, his literal "(this is the way it should be)
actually means
"(
. this is the way it already is;
have you really stopped to look at what you are doing?
. is everyone aware that it is "(normal)
for men to treat women like cattle?
that christians and jews are derided as infidels?
that jews are less humble than christians?
)
-- . pretty banal stuff for a universal god,,
don.t you think? unless it.s god pretending to be pretty
banal
you !
. a christian muslim doesn.t discount the possibility that
god may be a very sophisticated testing program;
ie,
one that is constantly trying to fool us in order to
develope our ability to detect and avoid foolishness .
islam, the beautiful
. so much of islamic culture is beautiful,
and the christian muslim preserves this culture in a christian way;
eg,
. everyone is encouraged to wear a burka
-- clothes that make it
difficult for predators to
tell the short guys from the women and
children
. a trip to mecca is treated with respect;
and it happens without starting tent city fires or stampede killings
. the rule against charging interest for a loan
is interpreted as applying only to social services
(student training, shelter building, and other charitables ),
and not to business ventures
. others of the same religion are treated as self;
we share the same
house with several other families
rather than tempt the devil with
power differentials
that occur when one man is left alone
with
one woman and some children .
islam/ 2nd
coming
radio preacher:
. the shiite's
12th Imam al-Mahdi
[pronounced by
the preacher as mat-tee]
has a function similar to the christian's christ:
a holy man that now lives in a supernatural domain,
and is the promised one whose 2nd arrival will bring justice
to
the world
. I thought it significant that his name sounded like mathematics,
because that is the foundation of automation,
which is going to be our only chance at justice
in a world in which power corrupts many living judges .
jesus
christ/
house divided can.t stand
. when jc was accused of being a witch casting out self, he
responded that "( a house divided can.t stand )
. this doesn.t make sense to a strategist of spiritual warfare
( 2004.08.21:
obviously you would need to cast out devils if you want to
give people
the impression you were working for the other side
regardless of which
side you are really working for;
undercover agents have had to commit
some heinous crimes
in order to keep their good cover from being blown
)
. but jc does make sense from other angles ...
house
of god-is-omnipotent
. proves bad actually not bad in the end; [2004.08.21:
according to the Dream theory,
there exists a collective subconscious mind with god-like powers
whose
job it is to accellerate technological evolution among the humans
who
would otherwise be rational => peaceful => slow to evolve
technologically =>
suffering a loss of eternal life
when
available technology fails to
get humans off the planet before the sun
reaches old age and becomes unusable;
ie,
a house divided cannot stand means
god cannot be both omnipotent, and not in control of the demons:
how can anyone be of the devil -- and not of god --
when god is always in control,
using the bad to force the good to evolve ?
house
of theocracy
theocracy ponders:
. perhaps those who cast out demons can do so simply because
they are
on the dark side,
and by cooperating with the dark side, they have
control over the demons?
jc responds:
. theocracy believes that demons are sent by god to punish sin;
which
implies that only godly force could cast out the demon;
the house of theocracy is thus divided if they also suggest
that
demonic powers could cast out the demon
house
of a sinful world
. (divided houses can.t stand) is proof jc is good,
because his work is causing a division in the entire house of humanity
-- a house lost in sin;
so, when the jc's division brings down the house,
it brings down the sin,
which is by definition godly,
and jc is shown to be of god in his intentions . ]
a
nation divided cannot
stand
[2004.08.21: how convenient it is for a nation to be structured as a
federation of states:
if there is a divisive issue, then we can let the
states decide
. I don.t see any real division in the hypothetical case of
an evil jc casting out evil;
in fact, the jewish theocrats of jc's time thought it was
obvious:
evil comes down in buckets,
while the evil jc is calling back evil only one drop at a time
--jc's talk would make sense if he had used godly powers to heal all
the sick globally,
and then went on to teach his descendants how to do
the same
( in fact, he did start this global healing process
by debunking the
theocratically enforced myth
that scientific exploration was not needed
because we already knew everything! )
. the theocrats used the sin-causes-disease theory as an
opiate
for a time when their sci&tech. was too weak to do anything
about
the sick,
and here was this jc guy who was deliberately removing
the demons that
god inflicted on the sinners,
not to put a real dent in the poverty problem (there will be poor
always, jc reassured us),
but simply to disprove the sin-causes-disease theory
. if jc had been more honest or less deluded, he would have admitted
that the devil
is simply an arm of a god that plays both sides of every
good-vs-evil war,
and this time the devil&god was having fun telling Israel to
stop
resting their sweet, fat ass
on the pillow of that ridiculous
sin-causes-disease theory
. instead, jc got caught up in that debate over whether his deeds were
of the devil
or of god,
and he could honestly say
that he was on the side of good
which is by definition god's side,
and then every curious mind has to find a theory for why jc has this
power and others don.t;
and, the notion of being god's son becomes
pretty straightforward
. in that case,
jc must either claim a special relationship to god,
or seek permanent residence in the temple or some other place where the
poor cannot be found . ]
christian/
bible-based
christianity
2004.04.10:
. a bible-based christianity would not make up the wild theories
that
today's radio preachers insist are the definition of christianity:
"(
ressurection, being saved believing his murder washed away our sins
just like the jews believed animal sacrifice washed away the sins )
.
the bible gives us a historical acct of supernatural activity,
and
documents the theories that christ and his followers had
explaining
christ's powers
. the bible does not contradict physical facts by
trying to prove either apostolic theories or the ressurection;
rather,
it paints a picture of a trouble-maker who had alot of
popular
support among real christians
(those who supported a kinder, gentler
judaism that did not condemn the poor and sick as sinners)
but who was
confused about what his power meant,
and was beligerant enough with
authorities and other devotees of traditional judaism
to get put
through an obviously mock crucifixion
. the bible plainly states that
he was not given the usual treatment
of having his legs broken on the
cross and then left to the dogs;
rather, he took a puncture to the gut
which many people have survived,
and was soon-after placed in a cave
with preservatives
to avoid leaving him hanging from a tree during a
jewish holiday;
so, this treatment was indeed harsh,
but, it gives us
every reason to believe that jesus did not die,
nor did the authories
intend to kill him;
rather, the guards were paid to say his
body
was stolen by christ's followers as they slept,
when in fact, they most
likely imprisoned him to stop any further rebel-rousing .
. subsequent acct.s of christ's activity have him walking
through
walls,
ascending into heaven, etc; and this could be documenting
several things:
the most likely is that this was reporting a rumor that was spread by
apostles
in order to inspire others to "( allow christ to walk through
the wall)
of abduction by carrying on his mission of
not allowing the
power-freaking, religious psuedoscientific's
to mistreat the crippled
and mentally ill
. less likely is the possibility that the disciples were reporting what
they actually hallucinated
. bible-based christianity carries on the spirit of christ -- not
judaism ! --
we are not interested in how he or those around him
explained how he got his power,
or how it fits in with jewish prophecy;
rather, we acknowledge that there will always be those that
try
to keep their own power over us
by keeping us in darkness, and that we
should always strive to
triumph over the tyranny of these dark powers
by holding up the true way, the light way
. a bible-based christianity,
interprets the bible using the lit path to truth,
which admits that we
cannot know the truth of a system we did not create;
and that the best
we can do is to pick our theories by what best predicts the future,
or
atleast by what creates the brightest future
. the current christianity, rather than bringing us the brightest
future,
is guaranteed only to create divisions by the same
I.ll-know-the-truth-for-you mentality
that christ so fervently fought
against as he blasted the religious hypocrites of his day .
christian/ soul
. the primary developer of christianity has been the english-speaking
cultures,
and english has a word "(sole) that sounds like "(soul)
. what do { sole (bottom of shoe), soul (spiritual force that
animates life) } have in common?
. notice that you are actually 2 minds: the self, and the subcon.mind
that creates the self
. another model is that god's are directing the
mortals,
like they are the real life, and our life is but the sole of
their shoes
. therefore, we can see { soul, sole } as being the interface between
god and man;
sole is god's interface with man, and soul is man's
interface with god .
jesus
christ/ pornography
. pornography; what filth
. the jewish leaders had their hands full of filth too:
"( what to do with all these sick people among god's chosen people? )
. the jewish leaders responded to this sick-jew filth
the same we respond to our porn.ic filth:
they just outlawed it!
they said sickness was not a problem to be cured,
but a solution to the problem of sin
"( if you get sick, you will be tossed on the trash heap of
sinners
who are being punished by god
)
. christ died because
when he was given the power to cure these "(sinners)
he was laughing at the pathetically weak theories of the jewish leaders;
and they in, in turn, were delighted to expose christ's weakness:
even the best psychiatrist can.t cure a genuinely physical problem
. I believe jesus is a libertarian;
he would have characterized pornography as being yet another addiction,
and the cure would have involved something to transform the person's
mind
(such as always doing things communally )
. the jewish leaders of christ's day would have
said that porn was sinful, and would try to outlaw it,
rather than finding the human solution,
that of admitting that children are always being mentored
-- if not by adults, then by the devil
. as my cousin, El says "( We had the
river. ):
if you look at the really big picture ( of runoff, evaporation, rain )
then you know
that the water under the bridge always comes back
. next time you go barrelling through a green light
because it feels like the right thing to do,
ask yourself
"( did jesus really cure anything, if he didn.t prevent everything? );
no,
he had the river .
jesus
christ/ poor always
2004.10.02:
. when jesus said there would be poor always,
he was assuming
that his audience was following the 10 commands which tell us
that we
do not kill community members,
not even the disabled ones
bringing economic hardship
--( not until now did I understand jesus on this point;
at one time I thought his expectation of eternal poverty was
proof that christ was a son of
the devils that are bent on plague.ing us with overpopulation;
but now I see that even with democratically communistic parenting,
and
infinite societal wealth,
there would still be poor individuals who remained dependent on others
until death
)
. another angle is that poverty is not the main point here:
they were on a mission of curing the poor when
one of the crew lost the forest for the trees,
inflicting emotional poverty on a girl who was
consuming a large amount of poverty aid in a sign of affection
towards the magical poverty cure-master
. jesus noted that with poverty aid like this,
there will be no end to poverty
-- the poverty aiders will have become just like
the impoverishing jewish leaders they were replacing !
god/ can
he speak audibly?
. can god speak audibly?
. if I were the bible answer-man, I would have replied:
. god is the sum of the rules of psychology;
you are nothing
but
a stream of dreams,
and nothing from the physical world makes an
impression apon these dreams
without first going through the
rules of psychology
. in other words, every audible voice is god's
voice,
because every reality is just god's painting .
. now, to answer the question in a practical way,
can a supernatural
entity have an audible voice?
yes, in 2 ways:
(1) a supernatural being can possess a person and use their voice to do
it's will;
(2) an audible voice is a physical process,
but equivalently, it is
also a perception (a state of dreaming or experiencing);
a supernatural
entity can design the content of halucinations,
which can
include
delusions of hearing an audible voice;
thus god can be an audible voice
in a dream,
and can delude you into believing that the dream reflects
reality,
when in fact,
the dream reflects only the will of god, or
one's own subcon.mind .
for militant muslims,
zionism
-- not judaism -- is
the problem
(2004.07.10)
[ my summary ( 2004.07.10 ):
. the Torah Jew waits for the Messiah to
bring everyone to Zion? the messiah they seek
is the technology that
builds robocop;
and ironically, it is the pre-messianic ruling of Zion
-- the heresy of Zionism --
that will ensure the creation of this
messiah
. a terrorist war against Zionism, based on suicide bombers,
will force the usa and others to quickly develope our own mechanical
version of
suicidally heroic soldiers and spies ]
israeli
palestine crashers
are not true jews?
{G. Neuburger [@]
www.jewsnotzionists.org//differencejudzion.html
, Neturei
Karta [@] www.jewsnotzionists.org//homeintro.htm }:
"(
A
Jew is anyone who has a Jewish mother
or who converted to Judaism in
conformity with Halacha, Jewish religious law
. The Jewish nation was
born on Mount Sinai when the Jews by their response,
"let us do and let
us hear," adopted the Torah given to them by G-d for all future
generations
. `This day you become a people," though valid still today,
was spoken thousands of years ago.
According to Jewish
tradition, there are seven Noachide laws which apply to all human
beings
. Then there are the Ten Commandments which form basic standard
of morality and conduct
for adherents of all monotheistic religions
. In
addition to these, there are 613 laws obligatory for Jews,
and every
Jew has to observe those which are applicable to him or her according
to Halacha
. It is the carrying out of these mitzvoth, "commandments,"
which constitutes the essence of being Jewish,
...
It is not my purpose to detail
how Zionism should be dealt with
. Let me state, however, that isolated
or spontaneous acts against individuals
or the mere adoption of
resolutions in the UN or elsewhere
are not effective means of bringing
an end to Zionism
. Let me state also that the battle against Zionism
must be waged first,
not on the shores of the Mediterranean,
but in
Zionism's most powerful bastion -- the USA
As an usa citizen,
I deplore that our government and our politicians have adopted
an attitude
that is in complete contradiction to the advice of the
father of our country George Washington
. Instead of shying away from
foreign entanglements and permanent alliances with foreign powers,
the
establishment in Washington has embraced Zionism so wholeheartedly
that
... the docile usa media do
not dare speak out against
such an absurdity
[ comment 2005.07.04: in addition to being a accelerant of robot
evolution,
zionism is also presented by fundamentalists as an icon of democratic
values
]
Unfortunately, thus far, each year sees
still further gains in influence by usa
Zionists.
Our short term
plan is to lesson [ lessen | criticize for wrongdoing ] somewhat
the anti-Jewish sentiment which Zionism has
created
around the world and particularly in Islamic
countries
. We seek
to inform the nations of the
world
(1) that the dispossession of the
Palestinians
-- which exploded in 1948 but which had really been taking
place since the turn of the century --
was wrong
(2) and that Torah Jewry
had no part in this evil action
In the long run, Zionism is nothing but a
passing aberration in the long history
of the Jewish people and of the
world
. We pray for a peaceful dismantling of the state
Let us
take faith and hope in the certainty that
eventually
prejudice, hatred,
and injustice will disappear,
and the prophecy will come true
that
all nations of the world will participate in the pilgrimage to
Jerusalem
"for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all
nations" .
)
2006.10.17:
. The issue of Zionism
was once heavily divisive in the Jewish community
. Secular non-Zionists
believed that Jews should integrate into the countries in which they
lived,
rather than moving to Israel;
religious non-Zionists believed
that the return to Israel could only happen with
the coming of the
Messiah,
and that attempting to re-establish Israel earlier was
disobeying God's plan
. After the painful events of the twentieth
century,
such as World
War II and the Holocaust,
secular anti-Zionism has
largely disappeared;
however some Hasidim
are still opposed to Zionism on religious grounds
. One specific example
is the Neturei Karta.
