Session Start: Thu Jan 03 18:05:01 2008 Session Ident: #tatchat * Now talking in #tatchat Hi Nancy and evyeryone 12hi Mimi! 05Yay! Mimi is here to help! Wow a bonus lesson and I just thought it was m & g I'm lucky Sorry to be late - rain, traffic, kitty messes in the house, yadda, yadda, yadda * Tatter242 has joined #tatchat LindaB 12my computer didn't want to get me into class today. * Tatter085 is now known as Katia Sorry, I'm Late Good Evening Everyone! 12hi Katia! 06Hi Katia 05Hey Katia! and LindaB hi Katia. hi Nancy. 02Nancy, blog address is www.ca.blog.yahoo.com/star2lexi4me * Darcy has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 02no it is http://ca.360.yahoo.com/star2lexi4m3 06I hope Darcy comes back next week 05Thx Margaret. I'll check it out I don't have blog yet. Something i MUST do in 08 02Hi, Cynthia, Katia and the rest how is everyone tonight ... all had a good holidays? 02a lot of tatters use blogspot.com (I think?) 06Yes...Our trip to Ohio went well and 02Hi, Stephanie, and LindaB 12hi Margaret! 05Blogspot seems to be a favorite. Might be good place to start. 12What a long day this has been for us - up early, car had no heat or electrical connections.... 02I was given a digital camera (with video and webcam) from my whole family so can now upload pictures of my needlearts 06I tried and say blog can't be found? 02maybe I messed up the address again 12DH had to fix it, then we drove home from North Carolina to Georgia. I'd like to start a page of links to students blogs - might save me posting homework :) 06Hi Margaret and Nancy, Cynthia, Mit, and anyone else that I haven't said hi to... 05Just uploaded 200 or so Christmas photos! BTW I got some great work from Margaret, and also Angela, over the break 12He thinks it froze last night. Got pretty cold in NC.....thank goodness it's warmer at home. 05It was 16 in Alabama! 02I give approval for mine 1215 last night in NC. BRRR 12Much warmer in GA this afternoon when we got home. i saw margarert cross before xmast she sent me a photo of it finish it great work 02it was -18degrees Celsius here double BRRRR 12hmmm...that sounds very cold. 05WHOA! Now that's COLD!!! 06-5 C here now. 020 degrees celsius is 32 degrees Fahrenheit It's tough to "out-cold" a Canadian :) 02complicated conversion factor you guys should come over my place 12-18 C....that's like ZERO F! Wow! 05Is that in invitation? 12RARELY gets that cold in the south! if you like it very cold 02tatter242 if you put your mouse in the white box under change nick to and type your name, hit enter, then we will know you you are 06it's -5C here in Virginia, USA 12Katia, I think I'll wait till summer to come to your place, thank you. 12in NC it was something like -8 or -9 C last night. 02our weather report said Florida was in danger of a citrus freeze 06I won't try to out cold anyone--Oklahoma isn't known for cold---come summer though... its around -10 F today up here 05Did the rest of you have any better luck with split chains than I did? 06Margaret, I heard that on the news about Florida 06I doubt if I did? LoL How about we all sign in? Then we can work on the Split Chain 06I can do them OK but I have to take the loop off and turn it over--my arthritic hands won't bend far enough MIMI DILLMAN, SNOHOMISH, WA USA, ntrop@ix.netcom.com Katia Vallée Sherbrooke Québec Canada lady_elhasa@hotmail.com 06Cynthia 06Linda Barnes, Woodbridge, VA USA lingram2@comcast.net 05Nancy Clemmons, Bham AL, bookjazz at yshoo 12Stephanie Wilson trompete@bellsouth.net Thank goodness back in good old WARMER Georgia, USA 07Margaret I. Boos, maggiep54@sympatico.ca shuttle London, Ontario, Canada WELCOME LINDA, HAVE YOU BEEN IN CLASS BEFORE? 06Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater Oklahoma brasthatfit@yahoo.com TATTER242 PLEASE TYPE/NICK (YOUR NAME) AND THEM PRESS ENTER TONIGHT'S LESSON IS: http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/bonus_lesson.htm IT SOUNDS LIKE NANCY GAVE IT A TRY, DID ANYONE ELSE? 06be right back 06no, I ususally go to Georgia's class, but don't know split chains so I thought I'd come tonight..hope that's all right? THAT'S GREAT. BUT MY PEA BRAIN HAS TROUBLE KEEPING STUDENTS STRAIGHT UNLESS THEIR NAME APPEARS WHEN THEY WRITE ALL ARE WELCOME TONIGHT SO DONT WORRY ... JUST CHANGE YOUR TATTER242 FOR YOUR NICK PLEASE LINDA 12i've been doing split chains for several months but they're not coming out consistent. 05I read Georgia's page, the Teeny Tatmouse pages, and something in Ring of Tatters by Banashek. All seem different. 12VERY short ones are fine, longer ones are lumpy STEPHANIE YOU NEED TO LEARN NEEDLE SPLI CHAIN ALSO ;) 07I printed Georgia's teaching on split chains, read it, and became discouraged because I haven't conquered mock picot or split ring yet and it inferred they were necessary 12and then there's the split chain directions by Marie Smith, which I find easier to follow but it feels very awkward (still) to me. ACTUALLY, THERE ARE 4 DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAKE THE SPLIT CHAIN WITH THE SHUTTLE, DEPENDING UPON THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING IN AND IF YOU'RE DOING FRONT SIDE BACK SIDE * Tatter242 is now known as LindaB 12and I haven't even dared think about needle tatted split chains yet THANKS LINDA!! 05I tried practicing on big ring leftover from macrame days THANK YOU LINDA DID i MENTION MY PEA BRAIN? i JUST TRY TO DO IT ONE WAY AND RE-ORIENT THE WORK INSTEAD OF THE STITCHES 06thought I did already..sorry. 124 ways? 12hmmm.....they all seemed the same once I saw how they were done....I'm just terrible at it. YEP. FRONT SIDE LEFT-RIGHT, FRONT SIDE RIGHT-LEFT, BACK SIDE LEFT-RIGHT, BACK SIDE LEFT-RIGHT JUDI BANASHEK SHOWS THEM ALL IN ONE OF HER BOOKS 12oh...yeah....but it's the same...only different. 06 no they aren't required just if you can do them it might be easier...I did it as split chain then the others and I got it to work 06I have Judi's book... 12I strung fat thread from one place to another in the room I like to work in....practiced on this big long thread.... SHE HAS AT LEAST 3 THAT I KNOW OF. I THINK IT'S IN ADVANCED TATTING PATTERNS PLUS OR IMPECCCABLE 05I've ordered one of the Banashek books --- hope it's the right one 06practice practice...practice is what it takes. I figured it out with 2 colors of thread 12I've finally gotten the "motions" right, just doesn't look good...the tatting, that is. 06that's what I was told about split rings..practice, practice, practice PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO LEARN IS ON A FIXED RING 06I used a heavier thread for the loom and the light colored thread for the "split" chain THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HOW LONG OF A THREAD SPACE TO LEAVE (THAT'S THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH TENSION STEPHANIE, LENGTH OF THREAD SPACE) 05So my macrame ring is not a bad idea then? 12I tied a big thread to a pencil and did it on that, too.... MARIE'S WAY THAT STEPHANIE DID IS HERE: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/SCHMarie.htm ITS A GOOD ONE NANCY MACRAME RING IS A GREAT IDEA SOME OF THE LINKS IN THE LESSON HAVE PATTERNS FOR CABONE RING 12the problem with doing it "for real" onto another thread is that the thread MOVES 06patience is necessary...I'll try the pencil tirck NOT AS THICK AS THE METAL MACRAME RINGS BUT AT LEAST STABLE 12Rings and pencils don't move around on you. 12and youdon't have as much ROOM to work when you're doing it with thread on a doily or something USE YOUR NEEDLE STEPHANIE, IT DOESN'T MOVE EITHER :))) KATIA WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE NEEDLE WAY FIRST SINCE ITS QUICK AND EASY? LOL AND ALOT EASIER TO DO WITH THE NEEDLE THEN THE SHUTTLE ;0 06Yes but you lock it so it holds still 12ohhhh...didn't think of using the needle....(embarassed grin) 12how do you do it with the needle? 07what is a cabone ring? (SHUTTLE TATTERS CAN GO PEEK AT THE WAY MARIE DOES IT) 12you might convert me yet.... 06Yes please that might work easier sor some of us YOU START YOU CHAIN UP TO THE FALSE PICOT AND PULL YOUR NEEDLE OUT CABONE RING IS A PLASTIC RING USED BY SEWERS MAKING CURTAINS AND OTHER THINGS THAT RUN WITH RINGS http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/SCHMarie.htm BY JANE EBORALL THEN UNTHREAD THE NEEDLE AND DO THE DS WITH THE NEEDLE THREAD UP TO THE END OF THE CHAIN 07would my plastic rings for crocheting work? THEN POKE THE END OF THE NEEDLE IN THE PLACE YOU NEED TO JOIN AND RETHREAD THE NEEDLE AND CLOSE THE RING OUPS NOT RING BUT CHAIN ..... 12sounds easy and complicated both at the same time. 06I think that would be a lot easier...I'm learning needle after 20 years of shuttle 06Stephanie, that's how I want to learn with needle tatting. PROBABLY, MARGARET - HOW LARGE ARE THEY - LESS THAN 2CM? 06Margaret--yes they are the same thing...sizes may be different but it is the same 07do I need two colours of thread or how many shuttles and is it CTM? 07no, one inch SPLIT CHAIN REQUIRES ONLY 1 SHUTTLE (YAY!!) ONE INCH = 2.54 CM IT'S JUST FINE. YOU SHOULD SEE WHAT JON MAKES IWTH 1" RING... 12I have a set of 7 or 8 coasters that I tried climbing out of round 1 into round 2 with a split ring to avoid joins..... FOR THE NEEDLE TATTER ITS SOUND COMPLICATBUT ITS AS EASY AS THE SPLIT RING 12the reason *I* have a set of coasters is because the split chains are twisted and snarled knots....and I couldn't give THEM as a gift...so *I* kept the "learning" ones and gave another set after the split chains improved a bit more. JON'S PRETTY: http://tatsaway.blogspot.com/2007/09/wrapping-plastic-ring-with-double.html 12At least it got me a set of coasters.... 12;-) 06It is easier than it sounds...I didn't realize what I was doing SO DO YOU GET THE NEEDLE WAY STEPHANIE? IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM SHUTTLE BECAUSE THE CORE THREAD IS DIFFERENT ON ONE SIDE OF THE CHAIN THAN THE OTHER 06I hadn't found any books--no internet when I started...I reinvented the wheel with a shuttle BUT WITH GOOD TENSION, YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THE DIFFERENCE (AND NO GUESSING...) 12i'm not sure. 12Are there any web sites with drawings or photos showing each step? WHAT ARE NT YOU SURE OF STEPHANIE? 07I have strightened up my place a bit and the package or rings is not on top of the piano like it used to be NO NOT ANYMORE ... BUT ILL MAKE SOME FOR THIS YEAR 12well....I can't seewhy it won't undo the 1st half of the chain if I pull the needle out.... PENCIL OR PEN WILL WORK FOR DEMO PURPOSES MARGARET 06http://groups.msn.com/NeedleTattingTwo/splitchains.msnw 07then in this split chain, it is necessary to know front side/back side 06this is for needletatting 06the "loom" thread goes thru the loops WHEN YOU LL PULL THE NEEDLE OUT OR CLOSE THAT PART OF THE CHAIN THE CORE THREAD WILL BE INSIDE ONLY FOR FOR THOSE WHO DO FRONT-SIDE/BACK-SIDE TATTING, MARGARET 07k THANKS LINDA FOR THE LINK 06sure 06I just have tried it out yet...procrastinating still. 12oh, thanks for the link! I see exactly how it works now!!! LIGHT BULB!! 06you're welcome! 12i'm still so slow with the needle.... SO ARE WE READY FOR THE SHUTTLE TATTERS MAKING THE STITCHES OF A SPLIT CHAIN OVER A RING OR PENCIL? 12big light bulb...more like a floodlight! 12I can do that! 12;-) 12Cool! I WROTE THIS LESSON OVER A YEAR AGO BEFORE I LEARNED THE SPLIT CHAIN MARIE'S WAY 06I'll have to look as well...I'm slow with the needle but switching from right to left slows me anyway MARIE'S WAY MAY BE A BIT SLOW AT FIRST BUT YOU CAN GET TO WHERE YOU'RE PRETTY QUICK BUT THE MAIN THING IS: IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO EXPLAIN :) THEN ONCE YOU GET THE IDEA 12Coming home we stopped at the exit that is only a few miles from where Marie lives....in SC. YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER INSTRUCTIONS 05I've been playing with my ring on the back row of the classroom. I think it works! AND PERHAPS FIND A WAY THAT YOU LIKE BETTER 12Wished we had time to try to get together but by then both of us were ready to be HOME. THE WAY IT'S EXPLAINED ON TEH WEB PAGE IS: 12and home was still an hour and a half or more "away." HOLD THE RING IN YOUR PINCH IWTH THE TAIL OF YOUR SHUTTLE'S THREAD 07k 12brb my pot of tea is calling my name SHUTTLE THREAD GOES OVER THE TOP OF YOUR FINGER THAT STICKS UP WHAT FINGER IS THAT?? THE ONE NEXT TO YOUR PINCH 07is the thread cut or joined to the ball? FOR ME, I PINCH WITH THUMB AND FOREFINGER, SO MY LOOP GOES OVER MY MIDDLE FINGER DOESN'T MATTER MARGARET IF YOU PINCH WITH THUMB AND MIDDLE FINGER, HOLD YOUR FOREFINGER OVER THE RING AND THE SHUTTLE THREAD GOES OVER THAT THE THREAD WILL DROOP DOWN OVER THE TOP OF THAT FINGER AND DOWN BELOW THE RING 12i'm back.... THE DROOP IS AWAY FROM YOU AND BEHIND THE RING 07I am confused with the positioning DO YOU HAVE THE WEB PAGE UP TO REFER TO BALL IN YOUR LAP LONG THREAD TO SHUTTLE HOLD THREAD AND RING OR PENCIL TOGETHER WITH LONG THREAD TAIL TO SHUTTLE THREAD TO SHUTTLE WILL GO UP OUT OF THE PINCH TO CEILING PASS AWAY FROM YOU TO DROOP OVER EXTENDED FOREFINGER OR MIDDLE FINGER (WHATEVER IS NOT PINCHING THREAD/RING) AND DOWN SHUTTLE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LEVEL OF THE RING 07how do I bring up another page while I am trying to follow the instructions here? THE SHUTTLE WILL NEED TO COME OVER THE RING (BUT NOT FOREFINGER) 06thanks Mimi and Katia...good night all. * LindaB has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 06bye LindaB 12night Linda 05it's difficult to keep the little waistbands on top of the ring. They keep scooting aroung. SHUTTLE WILL DIG INTO RING (OR UNDER PENCIL) FROM THE FRONT TO PULL THAT DROOPING LOOP THROUGH THE RING AND DROP THROUGH THAT PULLED THROUGH LOOP TOP TO BOTTOM 07night Linda NEXT STEP: PULL UP ON THE EXTENDED FINGER THAT THE THREAD IS DRAPED OVER 07I am thorougly lost. will go to another page and try to enter that address but have to copy it down first THE LOOP THAT CAME FROM INSIDE THE RING SHOULD ROTATE 180 DEGREEES FROM DOWN TOWARD YOU TO UP SOMETHING ALMOST LIKE A DS WILL BE ON THE RING NOW 06I usually move the waistbands after I have a bunch made so I can hold it with my fingers==then I can get them to stay while I work IT WILL BE MISSING THE LEG AT THE FRONT BUT YOU WILL SEE A WAISTBAND YOU PASS THE SHUTTLE OVER THE RING BUT UNDER THAT WAISTBAND THE DS IS DONE NEXT IS TENSIONING YOU WILL HAVE TO PULL ON THE WAISTBAND TO TIGHTEN THE FIRST LEG, THEN ON THE SHUTTLE TO TIGHTEN THE 2ND LEG YOUR'E RIGHT, CYNTHIA, IT'S EASIER TO KEEP WAISTBANDS UP WHEN YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE ON THE RING 12so you make both legs THEN do the tensioning WHEN YOU HAVE THREAD, IT'S A LITTLE EASIER - THERE'S MORE FRICTION 12on each one? IN MARIE'S METHOD, YES 05Oh, my, this is more fiddly than split rings YES IT IS SORRY NANCY :) 06almost 12oh, yes, way more fiddly than split rings. BUT IT GETS BETTER WITH PRACTICE, JUST LIKE SPLIT RINGS DID 12but once we master it, all that work and fiddling will be worth it. BUT ONCE YOU GET A LOT OF THESE DS'S PACKED ONTO A RING OH HOW PRETTY 07k 06definately IT'S MUCH MORE DAINTY THAN CROCHETING AROUND THE RING 05OK. I'll keep plugging along! IMO ANYWAY: 12and i'd much rather tat than crochet with thread ANY day 06definately NOW, LET ME EXPLAIN ABOUT HOW YOU GET THIS INTO YOUR TATTING AS A SPLIT CHAIN IF YOU LOOK AGAIN AT JANE'S INSTRUCTIONS THERE'S AN EXTRA STEP JUST REMEMBER WHEN YOU ALL STARTED TO DO YOUR FIRST DS HOW IT LOOK BUT WITH TIME AND PRACTICE YOU GOT GOOD AT IT .... THE SPLIT CHAIN IS THE SAME ONCE YOU GET TO THE LOCATION WHERE THE SPLIT CHAIN WILL GO, YOU WILL TAT THE FIRST PART OF THE CHAIN AS USUAL, THEN DROP THE THREAD THAT IS OVER YOUR HAND (COULD BE BALL, COULD BE 2ND SHUTTLE) YOU WON'T NEED THAT THREADX 06definately...I think I threw away a whole ball of corchet thread learning to tat but the split chain only took about 5 yards YOU'LL ONLY NEED THE CORE THREAD GOOD FOR YOU CYNTHIA :) 07I went to the address given about for Marie and the page that came up siad it was an out-of-date address THE NEXT STEP IS TO LEAVE A BARE THREAD SPACE TO BE THE 2ND PART OF THE CHAIN. i'M RIGHT THERE: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/SCHMarie.htm 07I am saying good night. MAKE SURE YOU HVAE CAPS WHERE CAPS ARE GOOD NIGHT MARGARET GOOD LUCK WITH THE PRINTOUT * Margaret has left #tatchat 06Good night margaret OK BACK TO THE CORE THREAD AND NEXT STEP YOU WILL LEAVE A BARE THREAD SPACE THEN MAKE A LOCK JOIN TO THE SPOT ON THE WORK WHERE THIS SPLIT CHAIN WILL ATTACH IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GAUGE THE LENGTH OF THIS THREAD SPACE FOR SHORT CHAINS, IT SHOULD BE 1-2 DS LENGTH SHORTER THAN YOU NEED 06It is hard to get it exactly the right length--that has been my challenge BUT FOR LONGER, IT'S MORE DIFFICULT WHY? 06any suggestions hints? I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE, BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT LOCK JOINS DON'T STAY EXACTLY LOCKED 12somehow it stretches or loosens or something...the bare thread, that is. THEY WILL WIGGLE TO BEING LONGER THE MORE YOU TUG ON THE THREAD NEXT DOOR... LIKE WHEN DOING THE MOTIONS OF SPLIT CHAIN MAKING 06Ok I'm not crazy thanks Stephanie ALSO, I THINK THE THREAD MAY STRETCH A BIT TOO SO I MAKE IT MUCH SHORTER THAN I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AND HOPE :) 12I discovered that if I'm REALLY REALLY careful with the 1st 2 or 3 "split chain DSs" that it doesn't stretch/loosen so much I ALSO TRY TO PLAN MY WORKING PATH SO THAT MY SPLIT CHAIN IS NOT VERY LONG THAT'S A GOOD TIP STEPHANIE - SUPPORTS MY THEORY OF THE SLIDING LOCK JOIN :) 06Ok that makes sense--good tip Stephanie ANYWAY, WHEN YOU USE "MARIE'S METHOD" YOU WILL NEED TO *TURN* YOUR WORK AFTER MAKING THIS LOCK JOIN 12but it still DOES loosen a bit, so it still has to be shorter than "normal." TURN MEANING LIKE THE PAGE OF A BOOK SO THAT THE LOCK JOIN IS ON YOUR LEFT (BEFORE IT WAS ON YOUR RIGHT) DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? 06yes THEN YOU CAN START YOUR SPLIT CHAIN STITCHES ACCORDINGLY 05yes, still with you * Tatter has joined #tatchat * Tatter is now known as Margaret 12I've tried Georgia's method and Marie's method (mostly cause those wer4 the 2 I could follow best) and discovered that if you're doing frontside/backside tatting Marie's method is perfect (usually) FINALLY I FOUND THE OTHER ILLUSTRATION OF MARIE'S METHOD http://www.tat-man.net/howto/SC_MarieStyle.html IS ANOTHER PAGE FOR IT BY MARK MYERS THAT ONE MAY HELP MARGARET TOO 12I knew it was Mark Myers, but couldn't find it.....glad you found it so we could all look at that one! MARIE IS VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT FRONT-SIDE BACK SIDE. SO IF YOUR CHAINS ARE BEING MADE 2ND HALF FIRST/1ST HALF 2ND, THEN THIS TURNING OF WORK GIVES THE RIGHT EFFECT 12he did photos AND sketches, didn't he? PHOTOS WITH TEXT EXPLANATIONS 07I am back. wanted to give Nancy my blog address http://ca.360.yahoo.com/star2lexi4me SO WITH THIS LOG AND THE LESSON YOU'LL HAVE LOTS OF LINKS WITH DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO SPLIT CHAINS 12if you're not doing front/back tatting, you could still use Marie's method, just start with the thread in front instead of in back....i think AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN NEED TO BUY A BOOK :) OH STEPHANIE DON'T ASK ME THAT WHEN I HAVE A HEADACHE :))) 12Often the things mentioned in class are more helpful than books anyway. 05Thanks, Margaret! THANK YOU STEPHANIE. THIS WAY IS INTERACTIVE - BOOKS DON'T ANSWER YOU WHEN YOU ASK IT A QUESTION 06But getting help person to person is so much nicer--a book is helpful but sometimes the human connection (SORT OF LIKE SCOTTY'S TRYING TO TALK TO A COMPUTER USING THE MOUSE AS MICROPHONE!) 12hmmm...headache? Get my DH to explain how electronics things WORK....trying to comprehend THAT gives me a headache every time. 06is more important 12you mean the mouse isn't a microphone? LOL 12NOW you tell me..... ;-) 05I think these new links for Marie's and Mark's pages are wonderful! I'M GLAD THEY ARE HELPING. I NEED TO RE-WRITE THIS LESSON NOW THAT WE'VE TESTED THOSE PAGES. 12now if my fingers would only cooperate. OK DID ANYONE TRY ANY OF THE PATTERNS? 06Yes I discovered how to print them off while keeping on this site. WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES AND COULD DISCUSS THEM WINDOWS ARE A MARVELOUS THING. 06Not yet I forgot them when I went to Ohio 12I didn't try the patterns specifically....I climbed out of a few rounds of a "spiderweb" doily...made a couple of them for gifts. 12they were almost entirely chains....every round. 05Not yet http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/snowflake2004.htm WAS THE FIRST ONE, A SNOWFLAKE BY JANE EBORALL (CAN YOU TELL I'M' A TOTAL JANE FAN??) 05Aren't we ALL? LOL NO ;0 06I want to though..I'd like to do enough "little" projects to send them to family monthly THE CENTER OF THIS SNOWFLAKE IS A SIMPLE ONE, RINGS AND CHAINS ALTERNATING BUT 07maybe someone could tell me how to go to another page while on this chat room and print while I am here 12I got brave and printed teh gekko ....got a little neighbor boy around 3 or 4 years old....gonnd try to do a t-shirt for him. TO CLIMB FROM THE LAST CHAIN TO THE NEXT ROUND, SHE MAKES THE LAST CHAIN AS A SPLIT CHAIN TATTING 1/2 OF THE CHAIN AS USUAL, THEN LEAVING A BARE THREAD SPACE TO ATTACH TO THE FIRST RING, AND TYING THE DS'S BACK LIKE WE JUST EXPLAINED THEN 12i'd MUCH rather learn to use split chains well ....no matter how much practice it takes....than have to hide so many ends.... SHE LEAVES A MOCK PICOT REMEMBER MOCK PICOT? 05To get to another page, I just double-click when I see the little "pointy finger hand" and the new window opens 06just double click on the link and you "zap" over and can come back by clicking on the welcome...tat chat--not the "X" or you get lost DO YOU HAVE A PC OR MAC, MARGARET? NO ONE REMEMBERS MOCK PICOTS? 07dell with windows XP 12i do.... 06yes I do...I find them easier 05I have Mac, Firefox with tabs 07I remember trying to learn the mock picot but was late for class WINDOWS XP WILL SHOW THE OPEN WINDOWS IN THE TASK BAR AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN 12they're not hard, Margaret. 12you can do it. 12;-) IF YOU WANT ANOTHER WINDOW OF INTERNET EXPLORER, CLICK START-INTERNET EXPLORER WITHOUT CLOSING YOUR CURRENT WINDOW 07I am very discouraged at the moment YOU CAN SWITCH BETWEEN THE TWO BY CLICKING ON THE NAME OF THE WINDOW YOU WANT ON THE TASKBAR ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. 06I still have a challenge getting them exactly the right size but that takes patience and practice MY FAULT MARGARET I SHOULD HAVE SENT THE LINKS SO YOU COULD AHVE PRINTED HTEM BEFOREHAND 06Margaret don't get discouraged 07I tried that first address for Marie and the page turned up non-existant IT'S CAP'S SENSITIVE 12make sure you use capital letters where there were caps in the link. 07was there supposed to be an 'l' on the end of 'htm'? 06yes NO!! NOT ON JANE'S VERSION 06Oops wrong version TAT-MAN'S VERSION YES, BUT NOT http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/SCHMarie.htm NO 'L' ON THE NED 06I just double click on the link 07that was the address I typed in. it said it could be an out of date page 07I was caps sensitive IN SOME BROWSERS, YES, YOU CAN DOUBLE CLICK THE LINK THAT I JUST TYPED AND A NEW BROWSER WINDOW WILL OPEN MARGARET ARE YOU USING TACHAT CLIENT ? 12Margaret - try double clicking on the link, then bookmark the page that comes up. 12it works well that way on my computer THE SNOWFLAKE PATTERN HAS ONLY 1 SPLIT CHAIN (YAY) BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT TO PRACTICE AND LIKE TO TAT BIG THINGS, YOU CAN TRY: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peelhome/freepat/tatmat.htm 06different systems....it would be easier if they were standardized THIS IS A PATTERN BY ROSEMARIE PEEL, ANOTHER BRITISH TATTER WHO HAS PUBLISHED SEVERAL BOOKS 07I tried again. again error 404 page not found THE MAT CAN BE MADE FROM BEGINNING TO END WITHOUT STOPPING 12oh, yeah, and it would be less confusing if they used the same terminology, too. Bridged chains sounds intimidating. 07yes I am using tatchat client