From: karen
To: mlmangel@lycos.com
Subject: MLM questions, comments, links, etc.
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:56:19 -0700
Are you for or against MLM's???
I see you posted your link in the IncomeHunting forum...
Are you from the US or Europe...Netherlands perhaps?
I have info/links that you may want to add to your web site...
They are for people in the USA...who can take advantage of all
the tax benefits that a home/small business offers...
Not everyone is suited to be a business owner and MLM is a
business and should be treated and operated as such...
It's not "throw up hype" on your family and friends or think you are
going to make Millions in a week...it is a business and like any
business it takes time, commitment, investment and dedication...It's the one
business that you can start with very little investment and do part time...you don't
need a store front, employees or a large warehouse to store and ship products...
Robert Kiyosaki wrote in 2001:
“Never before has it been so easy to become rich. It took me over 30 years and two business failures to gain the education and experience needed to build a successful business. The network marketing industry offers a ready-made business system to any one wanting to take control of their financial future.” book "Rich Dad Poor Dad"
And in his most recent book, Who Took My Money (2004)
“I suggest you keep your daytime job and start a part-time B quadrant business. If this sounds like something you would like to do, I recommend you look into a network marketing business.” (pg. 69)
“One of the reasons I recommend starting a network marketing business, even though I am not in network marketing, is simply because a network marketing business gives the little guy a chance to build a B quadrant business. Many network marketing businesses offer the little guy the opportunity to use a system that has the potential of unlimited expansion. You may start as an S, but with their systems and guidance you can build it into a B quadrant business. As stated earlier, a B quadrant business is a business with over 500 people. If the network marketing company is good, the individual not only receives moral support, he or she receives business skills training not taught in schools, but which are necessary for success in the real world. That is why I often recommend network marketing for people who are serious about their financial success and independence.” (pg. 78)
Congress has passed Legislation telling the IRS to give Thousands of Dollars in Tax Refunds and Deductions to ANYONE who qualifies by operating an honest small or home-based business with an intent to make a profit – even a part time business.
These are NOT “loopholes,” or “tax dodges” or “tax evasion schemes.” They are legitimate tax breaks...
http://www.homebusinesstaxsavings.com/ Free Info and Free e-zine available
http://www.taxreductioninstitute.com/ Free articles and monthly newsletter
Did you know the U.S. government as TWO income tax systems and that most people are in the wrong one?
Consider this informationm as MLM Training Basics Course 101. There is one tax system for employees that includes most working Americans, and a very different, much better tax system for business owners. Most company sponsored MLM training programs ignore this fact completely.
Employees, called W-2 Wage Earners, work for someone else. There are very few tax deductions available to wage earners, and hence, they pay a large percentage of their income as a tax to the government. Conversely, business owners get to deduct (write-off) just about everything from apples to zippers, and pets to donuts.
When payday comes, employees immediately lose a large chunk of their wages to income tax withholding. Business owners, on the other hand, get to keep what they earn, spending it on whatever they want or need to, and then pay taxes only on whatever is left over. Said another way, business owners buy things with BEFORE-tax dollars. Employees buy things with AFTER-tax dollars.
Thanks for your time,
AZCowgirl
From: MLMAngel
Date: 04/26/06 13:20:25
To: karen
Subject: Re: MLM questions, comments, links, etc.
Against.
I live in Europe.
My girlfriend, who carries a debt of about $15.000, joined Nikken 4 years ago. She was out of it for a year (2004) because of circumstances that i will not go into. She is very committed, followed HBM trainings, Silver trainings, motivational sessions, bought CD'S and books about MLM and how to be successful, read Rich Dad, Poor Dad and similar books, subscribes to newsletters etc.
Until now she has not made a single profit from it. And it is not that she is not committed, she believes in the products, puts in a lot of effort, but it just doesn't work. As you can see from my website, i did my research - yes, i looked at pro-MLM sites as well ;-) - and based on my research, which started 3 yeas ago, including attending trainings and products presentations, i feel that all MLM programs benefit the 1% on top on the back of 99% others who believe that they can be millionaires to.
And yes, it is about the money, that is clear when you attend trainings, view their websites, read their marketing programs. Of course, all MLM say that they are legit, it's all the others who screw up etc. Yeah right, they are all the same... And I would like to stress the word all.
My girlfriend and i have had terrible fights over this, and will probably brake of soon.
So this is my personal vendetta, my personal quest against the MLM industry. I have no doubt i will lose in my pursuit, getting the world rid of them all. But that's ok. I know that i already convinced a few not to step into the trap, and that's good enough for me.
As for the link on your page to mine, i leave it up to you what to do with it. As you said, people need to be able to make an informed decision, if someone who visits my page still joins an MLM, at least they know the odds are against him.
Homework is not the same as MLM.
If you have any info on Nikken, please let me know, maybe my girlfriend might be convinced by that.
With all respect,
Michel
From: karen
Most MLM "Bashers" (people that say MLM is no good) have never been close to a good MLM company. They took one bad experience and go bonkers about it. Their point of veiw is a pinhole to match the brain in. Most are wage earning tongue draggers that have not been outside their local city limits.
Why do I get mad at them? I have global experience. I have lost more money in more businesses (the majority non-MLM) than those losers ever made! I have also made more money (some of it in MLM) than they could even remotely imagine! Most MLM bashers hate successful people.
They go into a state of shock when they see "ignorant" people (by their silly standards) making money. The bashers never figured out that People without a P.H.D. are not automatically dumb. The bashers were outraged when they saw high school dropouts making $500,000 a year. Of course many bashers, that joined MLM companies, were really outraged when they found they would have to "share" or sell something. Work - on my no they cried! Bashers want people to live in cradle to grave society with no risk and wash dishes their whole life. They are the "new socialists" and work hard at destroying vestiges of the last bastion of economic freedom in America and the world!
They totally ignore the "little" success stories outlined in the first paragraph.
Big Basher >>> blow out of context lies - Sixty percent of people that join MLM never make any money!
But the Big Lie is that people such as Frederick Taylor pHD (I use a small p as a sign of disrespect). is that nobody makes any money without looking at conparative statistics for similiar sales jobs (independent contractor salespersons).
Examples:
1. Real Estate Agents (independent contractor salespersons): They spend about $1000 to go to school. They spend $250-500 to get their license. Sixty percent drop out without ever selling a house.
Easy research here, talk to anyone in the real estate business!
2. Life Insurance Agents (independent contractor salespersons): Spend several months in On the Job training and in many states have to take an exam. Sixty percent or more only sell one life insurance policy... and that is to themselves!
3. Mortgage loan Officers (often independent contractor salespersons): Three mortgage brokers that employ these loan officers told me that after months of study, on the job training and taking the test that my 60% drop out comparison is too low. They said 70-80 percent.
4. Door to door sales agents (independent contractor salespersons): A friend of mine ran Kirby vacuum sales crews. The drop out rate was 90% in the first two weeks after weeks of training.
5. Car Salespersons: No obscure research here, 80-90% of new salespersons here drop out. Call your local car dealer!
My, my my in just about any direct contact sales field Sixty Percent or more drop out. and golly - just about the same number of people drop out of College their freshman year (after spending $5-10K of Mom and Dad's money)!
Also See - http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/Report_TheRing.html
WHY MLM PART TIME? By Rod Cook
GOVERNMENT PYRAMID SCHEME UPSIDE DOWN!
The U.S Government's private pension insurance program is in financial straits. Their deficit reached a record $8.8 billion at the end of Aug. 2003. The Government's Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp (PBGC) reported a deficit of $5.7 billion by July 2003 and then jumped in Aug.
The PBGC insurance fund comes from premiums paid by private companies that run their own pension programs. It is not intended to be funded by tax dollars.
PBGC estimates that it is under funded by $350 billion to cover private pension programs that it is responsible for. Some pension plans are in such bad shape that $80 billion worth of them may have to be paid by the PBGC.
One fix is very unpopular with retirees! Legislation has been proposed that would reducing pension pay to retirees in the next 2 years by 10%! Ed Note: Social Security won't be far behind so hang on to your hats! It is up to you to develop diverse streams of income! http://www.mlmwatchdog.com
Article source: Congressional Budget Office. Report to Congress Link: http://www.pbgc.gov/news/speeches/testimony_101403.htm
People unconsciously program themselves to fail, they don't feel worthy, then think rich people are greedy and dishonest, they call people "filthy rich"...so it's not the MLM's...people get what they expect consciously or unconsciously...
The Law of Attraction is powerful and will show you evidence of what you believe every time...so the more you search and believe MLM is bad then that's what you will find evidence of every time!
If I were you I would be on a quest for health, wealth and well being..start asking... How can I achieve this? Show me, guide me,etc.
One of the most exciting discoveries of Quantum Physics, is the whole concept that it is our thoughts, and not just our actions that create our reality. Even though most people believe that it is what they DO or do not do that is creating their reality, quantum physics has actually revealed that it is the thoughts of our subconscious mind that is creating our experience of life.
There have been numerous books written about how we live in a field of infinite possibilities that is essentially waiting for you to decide what you want to create in that field. In the meantime, your subconscious mind is deciding for you and since over 85% of your thoughts are coming from your subconscious mind instead of your conscious mind, your subconscious mind is really running the show in your lives most of the time!
In fact, studies have actually shown that your subconscious mind is 30,000 times more powerful than your conscious mind and that the majority of the thoughts held in the subconscious mind are limiting.
From: MLMAngel
Date: 04/27/06 01:27:46
To: karen
Subject: Re: MLM questions, comments, links, etc.
I'm looking for the good, and don't need MLM affecionado's to try to brainwash me. And all those books about NLP, what a waist of time. I do not need books to know that you have to think positive and be focused.
I have looked for positive information about MLM. Only those within MLM have something positive to say, all other sources say the contrary. I have not found one single, independent source, that says MLM is good.
Hey Michel--sign up for FREE and see what happens...check out the product--just may be a market for this in your country...Karen
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Taylor doesn't substatiate his research which to me is academic fraud. My sales position research comparisons are ones that any of you can do in your hometown in a heart beat!
A friend of mine sent his daughter to medical transcription school for $2500 and 3 months of her life. She transcribed 10 tapes and quit. .
The truth is that the subconscious mind is actually serving in an attempt to protect you from things it fears. The problem is because your subconscious and even your conscious mind is focusing on what it fears; therefore, it actually creates exactly what it is fearing.
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To: "MLMAngel"
Subject: Re: MLM get turbo charged!!!
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From: "MLM Angel"
To: karen
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:52:29 -0500
You must be joking?! Have you read my replies?
Don't you understand I'm not interested in participating in any MLM offering?
Don't you see I will not join any of them because I see the reality behind it? Have you actually had a look at at least 1 of the links on my website?
Geee, you must be desperate, trying to convert die-hard anti-mlm'ers....
