The "Butler Contradiction"....
I, too, attended the last board meeting. I was caught off guard with Butler's rant. With all the acerbic prose to fill acid reflux clinic, he went airborne with self-defense and self-worth. Geez, he even read a letter dated 1991 wherein the author hoisted his ego to the heavens ( I am betting that I could write such a narrative with a 17 year head start).
The "Butler Contradiction" came when he looked at the board and issued a caveat: take no questions from the commoners regarding issues dedicated to the ACC. He made clear that the ACC would be held sovereign entity. The contradiction came when he looked at the board members and asked: "Is the ACC doing a reasonable job?". (Note to Butler: If you and your committee demand to held bereft of any outside authority, you don't need to ask for approval. Perhaps you should study up on Machiavillian philosophy to learn more theories about total autonomy).
For more than 3 months we have been denied any building permits in the Parks. Your committee refused to explain the reasons for such a denial. We have tried to find your place of business, but to no avail. We have called you numerous times without connection and without a return call from you. When we approach you with a request you either develop a condescending attitude or you become hostile, yet you never give resolution to our concerns save for the "no, no, no," reply. Posted: 10-20-09
I dont care any more....
Some of you will find out monday or not, that the poa board has let three patrol officer go. &nbap;You are now going to have two patrol officer on duty for a 24 hr period 7 days a week. This is not good at all,what is going to happen when county or the emt's cant find your house. You can call Mark Rounds if you want, but he as already got a suit case full of lies for you. Now do we need a general manager that makes 70,000 plus or more, or do you think we need security. I working I security and they are letting me go, and I will never be hired here again for telling you this, but I dont care any more. Posted: 10-20-09
Setting people on the board...
You should have just stepped down , now you are, breaking the covanents you say you are trying to protect, passing bi laws that break the covenants, is about the dumbest thing you could do except refusing to abide by the votes of a legal group of members. Each one of you can be sued personaly , not as a board. and OUR lawyer for Flint Ridge Members you used against us members , can't be used with our money or Flint Ridge members money , to protect you !!!!! It is not only unprofesional , on your part ,a conflict of intrest. THIS IS MY OPINION, OF YOU ONLY !!!!! NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHER PERSONS, FROM OR RUNNING THIS, SITE.......ERNIE "THE THORN IN YOUR SIDE" PITTMAN Ernest Pittman Posted: 9-29-08
I received a letter from the POA today, along with a citation for something I didn't do.
Also, I've been personally fined $200.00. It states that on April 20th (Sunday) at 8:30 P.M. I used my gate card to let someone in front of me in the gate. This did NOT happen! My husband Charles was with me in my car and we used my gate card to come in the construction gate our selves alone. I am not even sure anyone was even in front of us as we came in the gate! But we KNOW we didn't get out of our car, walk up to the box and scan our card for anyone!!! I admit that a few years ago, before I knew better, I let someone in, as no one answered the phone at the office. I didn't know we weren't suppose to do that back then. I learned quickly, as they deactivated my card. I apologized for doing it, learned my lesson and NEVER did it again.
Now, since abiding by the rules, I'm falsly accused! So...tomorrow, hubby and I have to go down and defend ourselves. Even so, it is our word against what, who? I am hoping that they have this all on film to prove us not guilty! We are certain about one thing. We are NOT paying a fine for something we did not do and I am a bit disturbed how this could happen at all. It has ruined my night and I probably won't sleep a wink! Has anyone else had this problem?? I am very upset as if you are going to accuse someone, at least make SURE they are guilty!! If I was, I would say, "Oh well, Got me and I deserve the punishment!" However, I am not guilty! I really would like to call someone to help us. Who??
I HOPE this was caught on tape to show we didn't do anything wrong. Thanks for listening and if you have some suggestions, PLEASE help!! Just please pray I don't loose it tomorrow and can keep my good sense about me, AND that they will find out we are telling the truth.
Cyndee Pillow Posted: 4-24-08
Flint Ridge Folks group has done their part!
April mentioned the need for donations at the last FR Folks meeting. Several in the Flint Ridge Folks group gave a donation as well as talked to them about offering their time to help how ever they could and several brought items to them that day to use in the haunted house. Flint Ridge Folks group has done their part! What this one individual chose to do is that individuals business. Flint Ridge Folks does not or should not have a bad reputation based on that person changing their mind which was done after asking if the POA/GM was planning to get involved and help these people out with a project that was for the community. By the way I might add that the gentleman paying for the attorney to fight the POA for the sake of the community which benefits everyone who owns property and has had issues with the POA for a long time is the same person who withdrew the donation. How petty it seems of people to want to blame him for doing this when all he was doing was stepping up to be of help when the POA wasn't and only changed his mind when he learned everything concerning all of this. He made a phone call to the office and learned thru the message board that the POA is involved now and has picked up the slack which they should. One way or another April and Jerod still benefitted with help. Posted: 10-29-07
My opinion is:
Happytohelp has been using a lot of their own
money to have the Haunted House. We have donated money, time and supplies. I heard they had a promise of around $300 that was withdrawn because it was for a flint ridge party and not benefiting flint ridge folks. Now I know the flint ridge folks and visit with some of them. I know they would not withdrawn this much if they promised, but they weren't the ones who promised. They do what they promise. Whoever the person was, why not reconsider. Don't give the flint ridge folks a bad reputation. This is for all the kids anywhere they live. In the RV parks or on the ridge. Maybe next year the budget could have money for this. But let's not ruin the chance to have it this year. There has been a lot of work and money put in this.
Cee Posted: 10-25-07
I need help finding a lost dogs home.
She is very lonely, and misses her family. She is a full blood bassett hound. She is very friendly. She has a pink collar, but no tag. She has been at my house for 4 days. If you or someone you know is missing her, she sure wants to go home. Thank you, Tammy Hill Posted: 10-16-07
What is all this Charles buddy system that's going on?
Doesn't anyone understand that the electrical man that was here was only summer help? He was not an assistant anything. He applied Charles hired him and did not know him. What is all this Charles buddy system that's going on. Just BS. He told a man to quite going in to quite at 2;00 and sitting at the maintenance dept with his feet up. POA expected 8 hours work for 8 hours pay. That is just plain lazy to sit around while being paid for working. I'm still trying to find out who Charles' buddies are at the maintenance dept. He has always tried to hire the best applicate for the job and expects them to work. Not stand around or sit around. He would go all over the Ridge to try to find maintenance and couldn't find anyone working so when the work orders were hidden or trashed nothing got done. Some of the workers cleaning the garage found them. So stop the BS about Charles. Celia Woods Posted: 9-30-07
I THINK ONE THE BEST THINGS THIS WEB SITE HAS ACCOMPLISHED IS TO GET PEOPLE TALKING.
We are not always going to agree on everything, but that is good! It's my opinion that is what freedom is all about, being able to say what you believe. The only thing wrong with this concept is there are a lot of people who want to speak before they truly know what they are talking about. This can cause hard feelings to those who take every thing personaly. (I sure wish there was a spell check on this program!) Some people are going to get their feelings hurt no matter what, such as, if people walk by them without saying hello, it would never occur to them that they did not say hello themselves! Not everything is about ME! This web site has to do with what's good for Flint Ridge. I wish people would understand this! Sherry, this is directed to you. I have known your husband for a long time now. And he is a wonderful builder. I have been in some of the homes he has built and I love! them! What really makes me upset is the fact that Flint Ridge is one of the most beautiful places in OK. What are homes selling for in Siloam Springs? A builder can probably get $30 to $35. per foot more there than they can in Flint Ridge and that is just not right no matter how you look at it!
Are you and Ray OK with this? He is a good a builder as any I've seen and I have been in the real estate field for the last 30 or more years and most of that time was spent working in the Phoenix AZ. market. Do you think that the Flint Ridge Folks are the ones that are making Flint Ridge seem negative!? I think you need to think again. When Real Estate people, appraisers, surveyers, inspectors, prospective buyers can not get in the gate to do their job, or drive around and view property something is wrong. Talk to real estate people who live and work outside this community and they will tell you how they feel about Flint Ridge and it is not because of the Flint Ridge Folks (FRF). Now on the other hand, if you come to the gate and say I have come to play golf or eat security will let you in, does not matter who you are, they open the gate, let you in and if they wanted to they could go anywhere! does this make a bunch of sense to you?
Been down to Indian Springs lately? The only road into that subdivision is paved and so rutted that it will probably end up killing someone!!!! They have $370,000.00 in the bank according to Gibbons and they can buy lots (they have almost 800 now) but they can't afford to repair the exisiting roads!
Before I retired I use to take people who wanted to sell their lots down to there lots---These people were paying the same dues we are and their roads were so blocked we could not even get down them! I tried to explain that it did not make any sense, since Flint Ridge is so large, to maintain the roads where no one lived---this makes sense, right? It did to them and it did to me---but how do you explain why the roads we have to travel everyday are in such sorry shape. I don't think you can explain, for I can't.
Have you read the recent HUD statement? I am sure you have for a builder is required to give them when he sells a new house. We tried to tell Keith about the last HUD report---we heard later that he laughed at "us trouble makers" The HUD Statement has many false statements in it. Regarding the RV Parks it states that if "filled to capacity" the central sewage system is adequate to accommodate ALL Lots in RV1 and RV2. The HUD report does not reference the possible lease of Sycamore Park to the OSRC and that has been on the discussion table for almost 2 years, and we, the property owners, are just now hearing about it. The proposed lease would take another one of our amenities away---because the POA NOT the OSRC wants to put barriers up so it would be harder to access an area where 2 or 3 people live! They think people using that part of the river during the season is a nuisance to a few---so, to appease a few, the board is willing to take away the rights of many!
Talking about Nuisances---the HUD statement reads that Flint Ridge has NONE! That is not true. FRAMP is a Nuisance. Residents have to listen to the dogs barking 24 hours a day 7 days a week. The homes around the golf course are considered special!!! They can't even leave their windows up at night because of the constant noise.
The HUD statement said there is no weighted voting! This is a lie! They voted the POA lots to elect who they wanted for the board! This is what weighted voting is!
The Hud Statement is a warning to prospective buyers--- They have to have knowledge of everything going on in the community such as, they have to know when they move into a community if their vote will count or not! We found out for sure this year they don't count.
So picture this<", you build a beautiful home for resale, cause that's how you make your living, your real exicited cause these people really love the house the land---and you might even get some of your money back But then when they ask you have to say"---"by the way--this community owns about 800 lots that we as property owners have to pay the taxes on but we collect NO PoA dues on them, but it allows our board of directors to decide who will and who won't be on the board---and yes they do have elections every year---and everybody meets and cast their votes, they have fun doing it, but it's just a big joke---cause only the POA votes count!!!! And yes, Flint Ridge members use to have Membership meetings and cares and concerns meetings but they have done away with those meeting as well. "The board doesn't really want to hear from those trouble makers, so they did away with members input as well. "Well that is not really true--you can ask a week or so ahead for permission! to speak---have to tell them excatly what you want to talk about in advance---and sometimes you get on the agenda, but then again, you can also be taken off at the last minute--even if you did have to come from Tulsa to get here---Oh, and I forgot you only get 3 minutes to speak, and they time you at that---and if you ask a question they have about 14 days to respond"
That's probably when the prospective buyers are going to jump in their vehicle and drive off---never to come back to Flint Ridge again---plus they get to tell all their friends the insane news! But I guess this can be blamed on the FRF as well! I guess it is OK with a lot of people that their land, homes whatever at Flint Ridge is worth a lot less than what they paid for it years ago! ( And that is a FACT!) It is not OK with US. If someone or some group does not put their self on the line---to try to get Flint Ridge back to a full fledged resort it is suppose to be---we are all going to lose! I think we all need to respect each other, I have always tried to give others the benefit of the doubt, but you have depend respect for yourself as well. So people who think we are the one who are negative, think again. The FRF are made up of a group of people who have shown they are willing to work with out pay for Flint Ridge--we are the ones who picked up the trash for years, hepled! re-decorate the cabins, Round House, the Statehood House, worked on all the sports courts--paid for flowers, planted or hung them--and even watered them all season long. We worked in the kitchen, waited on tables, worked special events, monitiored the pools 12 hours a day! And this list could go on and on-- but we did these things for the love of Flint Ridge, we did it becuase this is our home! We can't stand by and watch a few put our community in jeporady! Can you? Susie Bramwell Posted: 9-28-07
Very Good Observation....
Cole, Very good observation on your below statement for Maintenance Manager. Others should keep in mind that most property owners have not sat in that position and with the current and past going ons with the "Board" and administration; often what may look like someone not doing their job could be in fact someone not being able to get past all of the blockades being placed in there way.
Its possible for someone to fail by not having the support needed to do their job to the best of there ability.
Mike Henzel Posted: 9-28-07
What a beautiful place to be!
I have only visited your website a couple of times because I have heard from potential clients how negative you all make our home (Flint Ridge) sound. I realize I don't know everything that goes on at Flint Ridge, but Ray and I have lived here a long time (13 years) and have seen many changes. When we first visited we knew this was where we wanted to live and we have never looked back. What a beautiful place to be! We are all so blessed! Why look for the negative (you will always find it) When there is so much positive to find. The roads are one item that are 100% better than when we arrived. That is one of many improvements. We have always been able to work with everyone that worked for Flint Ridge and the P.O.A board too. Ray has served on the board and we can tell you it isn't the easiest thing to be part of. You can never please everyone. It is basically a thankless job. We have lots of great folks working here! Residents too! You can always count on most everyone to give a friendly wave and smile as you pass by, whether they know you or not. Where else do you see that these days? All of us that own property in Flint Ridge have great interest in keeping it a positive,safe, family friendly place to call home. I agree that negativity only serves to put everything in a bad light and prevents others from buying property here to build their new home. That affects our property values, and yours too. It also affects our livelihood because we build new homes.
I believe the number one problem in Flint Ridge hasn't changed. It is communication! We need a newsletter that not only goes into all the inner works going on at the Ridge, but also our personal facts, newcomers, new babies, marriages, and even obituaries. A community paper full of information. No name calling accusations, just real news we all need.(and want) I think that would solve many problems because there are always many rumors flying around because most people don't know everything that is really happening. So, possibly there is someone who has the capability and the time (maybe experience) to start a community paper. I for one would pay for a monthly or even weekly paper that told me the things I need to know. That is my 2 cents. Thanks for listening and God Bless Flint Ridge. Sherry Hunter Posted: 9-21-07
Thank you Ms. Woods for clarifying that.
That is exactly what
I personally thought. Only SOME, or a FEW of the Board members make decisions around here. History keeps repeating itself.(I have back-up info if you want it.) I back Kenny 100% for his statement. I do not believe his statement was not directed towards Charles or Maintenance. It was towards the Board for their only involving a few in the Boards decisions. Again, It is a family tradition. If I may make a couple of statements, knowing that I will make some mad at me; One, It was NOT Right to even discuss this without consulting with ALL Board Members; Second, IT is IMPERATIVE that we always have someone that oversees and in Charge of ALL Maintenance, at ALL times.
This should NOT be the GM. It is NOT the President or even the Board. The Board needs to hire a "Real" GM. The GM needs to concentrate on Administrative, Sales, Marketing, Employees, Legal Responsibilities,(including potential lawsuits) HUD, (including potential lawsuits) Public Relations, Future Develoment, Budget, I could go on and on. Bottom line, we must have someone in total charge of ALL maintenance in this 2 million dollar per year corporation. We DON'T need a GM that spends his time on a lawn mower or weedeater. More important things for him/her to do. Folks, this is not 20 years ago. We DO need someone in maintenance that can handle the job. This involves a LOT of issues and it is quite apparant that the "GOOD ol BOY" days are OVER. Whomever is in this position, will unfortunatly make several people mad. That will include your friend, your neighbor, and possibly your mother if you are doing your job. It might even mean that they are actually doing their job when they make some others mad. It makes me mad though, when I look at all of the things that over the past 20 years like the kick backs, gas stealing, favors, poor purchasing, etc. THAT I HAVE PROOF ON, that has come out of our Maintenance Department. Times Change. I feel for any person that takes on this responsibility and position. They will NEVER be able to please everyone because they Just Might Be doing their job. You know they are going to be watched. If not by you, By ME. All they have to do is their job. This will always make some people mad, but most will be glad. Now, with all of this said, everyone that crusified Woods, he is Gone. No General Manager, No Board with any direction, President/ Acting GM making the day to day decisions, gone on vacation. Who is going to be willing to be the BOSS HOG responsible for all of this and put up with our continued Watch dog group and criticizm that goes with it?? Responses Welcome. Cole Kirk Posted: 9-19-07
Charles Did Not Get Fired
Someone told me he had been fired. Ruth told him the board voted to do away with the job. Some board members has not even heard from them. No one voted on it. No board meeting was called for any board member to vote. Keith and Ruth were the ones who told him. They said the new manager would take care of everything yet they do not have one hired. Keith took off on vacation so cannot be reached. Celia Woods Posted: 9-17-07
In My Opinion....
In my opinion there are a lot of things going around that isn't true. For instance: We did not clear cut our land. Anyone is welcome to come by and look. We live on Oak Crest Rd off of Oak Ridge Rd. Charles does not own a pair of binoculars so he didn't look at any workers through some. You can't miss our road. It has blue poles with yellow caution ribbon on them. We'll be glad to vist with you. My name is Celia Woods Posted: 9-11-07
REPLY TO SWORN TO SECRECY
First of all, we hope you had “tongue-in-cheek” and were jesting when you referred to our BOD as a “wonderfully talented Board.” We DO need an outside Property Manager and even an outside Assistant Manager, if need be, to run this multi-million dollar a year BUSINESS. Certainly, we would not be in any worse shape than what we are in now. What the membership does NOT need is another ex-Board member or property owner as a GM. There seems to be a tendency to “favor” friends and “create” new positions for them; therefore, entailing additional salaries to burden our budget.
In the 21-plus years that we have been property owners and 11-plus years as permanent residents, we have seen FIVE GMs come and go, FOUR of which were property owners and TWO of which were former Board members (Jerry Martin, Max Mitchell, Charlie Clark, Bill Butler, and Steve Dulaney). The fifth GM, Charlie Clark, was eventually given a lot on the bluff supposedly in lieu of a raise, making him a property owner, but did receive a raise a later on. Again, we are not in any better shape than back then with the “total power” that the BOD gives a GM, along with the BOD themselves thinking they can do no wrong and ignoring the memberships’ requests.
You comment that “a professional home owner association manager will “suck this place dry.” At the risk of repeating myself for the um-teenth time, our present BOD and past GM have recklessly spent our monies (dues) on outrageous attorney fees, purchasing tax lots so we can pay taxes on them with our due (outbidding potential dues-paying property owners), and unnecessary materials that end up being returned (with a restocking fee, of course), not to mention continued repair of inadequate equipment. Does that not qualify as “sucking this place dry?” What is YOUR solution to this problem? Give us one!!
Regarding being “sworn to secrecy”, it is expected of each Board member not to reveal what is discussed in executive sessions, as if the BOD wanted the membership to know what was going on, they wouldn’t have executive sessions. Supposedly, they are not able to vote on any item during the executive session, but can vote on a particular item or issue when they “reconvene” into a regular session; which doesn’t happen very often. Their standard response is “NO ACTION TAKEN.” Sometimes, however, items are discussed in these sessions that should be discussed in front of the membership, such as when leasing Common Property which needs the okay of the membership first.
What IS needed for us to move forward is BOARD ACCOUNTABILITY to the membership. They OWE us the opportunity to move forward and have the Ridge become what we all want it to be; a growing friendly and prosperous community with EVERONE working together in harmony. However, that is almost impossible when the BOD refuses to LISTEN to the membership (giving them just 3 minutes once a month to address them at their BUSINESS meeting, NOT our membership meeting as the covenants indicate), then stating that they will respond in 14 days, and not taking any action or making any decisions right then and there.
Jerry and Jo Langston Posted: 9-2-07
A BOARD MEMBER "SWORN TO SECRECY"
I am beginning to think I have "lived in this loony bin too long" and there is no way to get out. I know how Alice felt in "wonderland". This is madness placed beyond any imagination of what madness even means. To have a board member be "sworn to secrecy" accepted by "anyone with a grain of common sense" is abhorant. Who the hell is not even "slightly offended" by this madness! What on god's green earth impowers a board to have "secret meetings" sworn to secrecy commitments by members ELECTED by the community. Good God!!!!! This is outrageous. WHY THE HELL DID'NT EVERY BOARD MEMBER EXPRESS OUTRAGE AND RESIGN AT THAT MEETING??? I'm tired of this b$%&*t and don't see anyway out of this tarpit we are stuck in. The more we complain, the worse it gets. MY PREDICTION??? Our wonderfully talented board is going to be sucked in by a talented "career orientated proffesional" general manager at a higher salary than we have been paying. He will have the seven dwarfs dancing! around like "just laid" virgins and UTOPIA WILL HAVE ARRIVED. A professional home owner association manger will suck this place dry!!!!!!! IT AINT WORTH IT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HAVE BEEN IN THIS FOR SO LONG...WHAT IS A "SANER LIFE STYLE" ANYWAY??????????????????????????????????????????
Posted: 8-29-07
DEEP DEEP CONCERNS
Well, I guess I would have to say I have deep deep concerns when someone could stand up in a POA meeting and say that they don't get any funds from the POA (yours and my dues) to support thier operation. WHEN IN FACT, WE THE PROPERTY OWNERS (our dues) have been supporting that operation, for years, just this year alone $7,500.00 had been set aside for them, not to mention the fact that they are operating on one of OUR COMMON properties, the POA (us) pays the water bill, and OUR maintains crew is doing work for them FREE OF CHARGE, oh but wait it's on OUR TIME (THE PROPERTY OWNERS) SO YES they are getting paid for it OUT OF OUR DUES!!
So I would have to say to this person, PLEASE DON'T MISTAKE OUR KINDNESS FOR STUPIDTIY. WE THE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. And I would have to say Flint Ridge having a DOG POUND on OUR COMMON PROPERTIES just isn't a GOOD REASONABLE BUSINESS JUDGMENT. Posted: 8-29-07
Well First: His name is Cole Kirk
And thank you for answering some of my questions.
Second: Mr. Kirk has not and does not state rumors, he states fact.
Example: When he went in front of the POA Board to address Mr. Gibbons about the 2007 budget and money that was set aside for golf cart maintains, it was set aside twice. The following monthly POA Board meeting Mr. Gibbons also address this issue and stated it was an era and it was corrected.
Third: Yes, I agree, some folks are pretty much out spoken and passionate about how they feel on a lot of the subjects on this site, but to my knowledge no one has ever been physically or personally. Their bark is worse than their bite.
Fourth: I find it somewhat amusing that you believe that Mr. Kirk lives on the ridge in the first place; in fact he does own property on the ridge.
Fifth: Awareness is what he has started; informative information is what he has given. He invites anyone to email him with any questions they may have. If you have questions I would suggest you email him and I'm sure he would answer them with facts in black and white.
Please let me be the one to inform you that it was not Mr. Kirk that started this website, nor was it Mr. Kirk who started Flint Ridge Folks. It was in fact the POA Board that started all this and it is because of the POA Board that everyone contributes to this site and the FRF's and what they fight for. I for one don't care if you do or do not put your name to your post.
And yes, I have read the home page of this site as well as the message board and all other pages and most of the links. I have also read the C.C. & R.'s, the bylaws, state and federal laws and a lot of case laws that pertain to a lot of issues effecting Flint Ridge now.
I believe for one Mr. Kirk has brought up a lot of good issues at a lot of the monthly POA Board meetings; for example: what about the bylaws and the fact that the water department wanted the POA Board to assist them in collecting their payment by shutting off your gate card. It was Mr. Kirk who brought this issue to light in front of ALL THE MEMBERSHIP; needless to say they (the board) gave this a second look and revised it, not to mention they could not do this because of state statues.
Again I would say yes, Mr. Kirk has done a lot of things for others and I would consider him valuable to Flint Ridge and the folks, he has brought to light a lot of wrongs and asked nothing more than to make them right. I would also cosider Jo and Jerry Langston, Ralph Butler, Don Henderson and everyone in FRF's a valuable assets.
This site is nothing more than to bring the community together and let that lonely individual know that they are not alone in the consistent abuse from the POA Board, and in their quest to make Flint Ridge the fair and knowledgeable community it should be. To protect the amenities and the common properties and not to mention the value of their own properties, and their homes. If this makes this site, the members and Mr. Kirk bad and nothing but trouble makers, then so be it.
Again, I for one would not try to change you mind, for I feel you have it made up. I will however ask you to attend one of the Flint Ridge Folks Meetings before you pass judgment on the rest of it's members. Maybe there is something you could contribute. Maybe there is something you could learn; whatever it is I hope you could make the time to find out what they (FRF's) is all about. Then maybe you could see that it's not just one person, but infact, it's everybody that does give a damn.
NOTE: This is to Mr. Terry G. Pierce, Please attend the Flint Ridge Folks Meeting this Sunday, details can be found on the home page of this site or the message board. Posted: 8-8-07
RE TO >>MR. COLE....TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS
IF YOUR NOT AFRAID OF ANYTHING THEN WHY THE HECK DONT YOU GIVE YOUR NAME, I FOR ONE THINK YOUR ALL BLOW, IF YOU ATTEND THE MEETINGS YOU DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON, OR YOU WOULDN'T BE MOUTHING ""COLE"", LIKE I SAID BEFORE AND THIS GOES FOR YOU, HE HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN ""YOU OR THOSE IDIOTS ON THE BOARD"". IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT LET THE TRUTH GO IN ONE EAR AND OUT THE OTHER, AND TURN AWAY FROM ""FACTS"". HOW MUCH MORE BLACK AND WHITE DO YOU NEED; ""WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE"" AND READ YOUR BYLAWS AND COVENANTS. I AM NOT AFRAID TO TELL WHO I AM, AND I DEFINITELY AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU OR ANY ONE, SO LETS HAVE SOME CHEESE WITH THAT "WHINEEEEE" I AM WALKIN TALL. NOW GO FOR IT.
DEE Posted: 8-7-07
Why Can't We Have A Camp Fire?
I bought both of my properties in 2002 partly based on the freedom of having a camp fire. Since then, the rules seemed to have changed because of someones belief of the risk of a fire. Now we can not have a camp fire? But yet home fire places burn freely? Has anyone checked to see how many fires have been started by home fire places? Probably twice as many as camp fires. Will this ruling ever be changed?
Terry G Pierce Posted: 8-5-07
MR. COLE...TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS
MR.COLE IF I WAS TO GIVE MY NAME, EVERY BODY WOULD MAKE IT HELL ON ME.
NEXT TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS:A JUST AS I SAID:B FOR ANY BODY TO START RUMOR'S:C YES I GO TO THE MEETING'S THEY MAKE ME SICK..THE P.O.A WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR EVERY THING THAT IS NOT RIGHT !!! I'AM NOT AFRAID OF ANY ONE OR ANY THING... WHAT'S HAS HE STARTED THAT WAS GOOD?
SEE THE PERSON SON IS GETTING A ACCUSED OF STEALING GAS, THAT'S WHAT IA'M TALKING ABOUT... RUMORS..RUMORS
LET ME SEE FACT'S BLACK AN WHITE..YES I DID SEE WHAT THE FRONT OF THE WEB PAGE SAID DID YOU? IT SAY'S WELCOME FLINT RIDGE FOLKS. I DON'T FEEL VERY WELCOME WHEN I SEE THE CONCERNS BOARD... Posted: 8-3-07
Flint Ridge Folks Meeting
FRF MEETING AUGUST 12th. @ 1:00p.m., RVII CLUBHOUSE ANYONE WITH GOOD IDEAS ON HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO BETTER FLINT RIDGE IS WELCOME. WE WILL BE VISITING ABOUT VARIOUS ISSUES THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST TO YOU.
BRING YOUR NEIGHBORS OR JUST COME AND MEET NEW FRIENDS.....
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS PLEASE CALL ME:
Vicki Acosta (918) 446-8117 Posted: 8-2-07
In Reply to WatchDog....
I am not opposed to the Watch Dog Committee of protecting our assets, I am just upset that the community of RV2 have blatently accused someone of stealing, without knowing the FACTS and have maliciously spread these rumors. I have lived here for 10 years and call Flint Ridge my HOME and I am proud to be a member of this community, but I DO NOT intentionally spread rumors.
Yes, I have seen the Security vehicles parked at Twysters and parked there for quite awhile, not knowing if they are making purchases or what, but I can't make a judgement call as to what they are doing without knowing the facts.
Yes, let's continue to protect our assets, but PLEASE let's not spread rumors that are UNTRUE without knowing the facts FIRST. Posted: 7-31-07
RE: In reply to the person who's son didn't get fired for stealing gas!
I am glad he wasn't stealing, but as far as some of us not having anything to do but watch for someone stealing anything from F.R. we need more of them, it is our moneys the P.O., we pay the bills in F.R., I myself see a man every day use a F.R. truck and gas for his own personal use, he lives on the street where I live, most of the time he drives a F.R. truck home at night, for lunch and at times he goes home up to four times a day, this is not only stealing gas and the use of a F.R. truck it is taking moneys with out working for it, he is on the payroll, I see security vehicles between Siloam and F.R,or parked at {TWISTERS STORE} are they guarding TWISTERS? OR ARE they stealing moneys from F.R., this happens in every dept in F.R. {I have seen it}, but one person alone can't stop it, we the P.O.'S are paying $2 million per year for this to go on {THIS REFLECTS BACK TO OUR {EX} G.M. FOR ALLOWING! THIS TO GO ON. YES; WE NEED A WATCH DOG COMMUNITY. IT SHOULD CONSIST OF EVERY P.O. IN F.R. Posted: 7-30-07
Very Appalled at the Rumors
OK folks...this is in response to RUMORS that are going around Flint Ridge RV2, in which I was approached by a resident of the park. First of all...MY SON DID NOT GET FIRED...HE IS PROUDLY WORKING FOR FLINT RIDGE. It was blatently told to me that he was caught stealing Gasoline while working here in RV 2 along with another guy that mowed the lawns. The other person that was caught was named NICK and yes HE WAS FIRED, ALONG WITH THE OTHER GUY.
I am very appalled at the rumors that have increased in this park from residents that don't have anything better to do than to snoop into other people's business and spend their time spreading rumors that are NOT TRUE.
I for one, DO NOT HAVE THE TIME, nor the desire to set on my front porch and watch people who drive up and down my street to see who they are going to visit. IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS AND "I" in turn expect the same from everyone here in the park.
Come on Folks...let's find something better to do than to cause problems for other's that live here. Posted: 7-29-07
"""HEAD MAN""""
ROFLOL OH GET REAL COLE ISN'T EVEN HEAD OF HIS HOUSE; LOL; BUT HE WOULD SURE BE BETTER AS """"HEAD MAN"""" AS YOU PUT IT, THAN THE IDIOTS WE HAVE IN THERE NOW; HE HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE IN HIS PINKY THAN ANY OF THEM DO FOR SURE, I THANK GOD EVERY DAY I WILL BE MOVING FROM HERE SOOOOOOON. BUT I PRAY THAT SOMEHOW COLE COULD BE """"HEAD MAN"""", THAT MESSAGE MUST HAVE COME FROM ONE OF THE IDIOTS ON THE BOARD OR SOMEONE THAT HAS NO; INTENTIONS OF FINDING OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT ANYTHING GOING ON HERE, I HAVE BEEN HERE 8 YRS AND BELIEVE ME IT IS A MESS. BUT THANKS TO """"COLE"""" A LOT OF THE CRAP IS BEING HANDLED, """"LEGALLY"""" {THATS MY OPINION AND I'M STICKIN TO IT} """"NOW COLE""""........"GETTER DONE" Posted: 7-29-07
WOW!!!...This is in reply to the author thinking Cole Kirk is headman.
I would have to ask first, what is headman of? Second question would be Do you really know what this web site is all about? If not, I would have to refer you to the home page under the "Welcome to Flint Ridge Folks.com" it will inform you as to what this site is really about. Third question would have to be (a). How many meeting have you attended in the last two (2) years? (b). Do you feel that you are more informed and/or better qualified? (c). Do you really believe that this POA board (past/present) has your and/or every property owners best interest in heart and or in mind when they make decisions?
Now don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion and I'm not at all trying nor will I try to change yours. Seems to me you have already made up your mind, and of course, I believe it is your right to state your concerns and or your opinions.
But there again, this would bring up much more questions for me to ask of you, which you will never answer.
Like what are you afraid of?
What is that Mr. Kirk has stated that is untrue?
Isn't there more property owners now aware of what this and past boards have done?
Maybe this is what you are afraid of. Maybe this is what the board is afraid of being exposed. I would only assume but we all know what ASSUME really means.
I could go on and on, but then again, like I said you will not even answer these few questions I have asked.
So I will say in closing maybe you should be the one to get more informed before you start accusing some one of being the HEADMAN. Really, what childish ploy is this anyway? Posted: 7-27-07
First Off!!!
I don't believe that I nor anyone else said that I was made the head man. Second, I have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about, unless you are assuming the previous well spoken, very factual post was made by me.
Remember also that I, unlike you, sign my name to EVERYTHING that I post.
And finally, Did you have a specific question that you wanted or needed an answer to?
Cole Kirk Posted: 7-27-07
OOOPS!!!
LOOKS LIKE WE GOT ANOTHER UN-INFORMED FLINT RIDGE RESIDENT! WHEN YOU HAVE THE TIME, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU READ THE MANY PAGES OF THE MESSAGE BOARD FROM THE BEGINNING, PAYING PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THE POSTS THAT COVER THE ISSUES SO YOU WILL BE INFORMED AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAS BECOME NECESSARY FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO BECOME INVOLVED. DO YOU ATTEND ALL MONTHLY POA MEETINGS? Posted: 7-27-07
CONCERNS....HEAD MAN!!
THE ONLY CONCERNS I HAVE IS, WHO MADE COLE KIRK THE HEAD MAN. OPINION'S IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE MOVE NO BODY IS STOPING YOU! Posted: 7-26-07
THIS FROM THE WIKIPEDIA ENCYCLOPEDIA:
A "show election" or a "sham election" is an election that is held purely for show, that is, without any significant political purpose. Show elections are a common event in DICTATORIAL regimes that still feel the need to establish some element of public legitimacy.
A predetermined conclusion is always established by the regime, either through coercion of voters, vote rigging, or just making up an arbitrary number of "votes received". Some dictatorships ensure results by suppressing opposition or maintaining a token oppoisition that is never allowed to become a viable political force.
Show elections were commonly seen in the Soviet Union, as well as dictaorships such as Iraq, Uganda, North Korea, and Turkmenistan. The "results: of a show election are frequently one-sided to the point of absurdity, with leaders claiming mandates of 90 percent or higher, this rarely occurs in a FREE DEMOCRATIC ELECTION. On October 16, 2002 Saddam Hussein (the incumbent dictator of Iraq and sole candidate) was "re-elected" after polling 100% of the votes with a 100% turnout. There have even been cases in which rulers have claimed a mandate which exceeded the actual population of their nation.
In some cases, show elections can backfire disastrously against the party in power!
PROPERTY OWNERS IT AIN'T OVER BY FAR WITH WHAT WENT DOWN WITH THE ELECTION IN MAY! DON'T DISMAY! NO NEED TO BE DISCOURAGED OR DISAPOINTED IN THE FACE OF OBSTACLES! I REPEAT....IT AIN'T OVER BY FAR!!! Posted: 7-26-07
Concerned...Security Gates being moved...
I am concerned about the security gates being moved up on the hill and leaving the entire recreation area open to the public. The reason for this change is to help promote the golf course and increase business to the restuarant. How will the pools; basketball, tennis courts; pool tables etc be kept from public use? I have no intention of paying my POA dues to support a public park. If anyone has information please let me know.
Gerry owner since 1978 Gerry Strothmann Posted: 6-11-07
Some Just Aren't Invited...
I believe a website of friends can be made by anyone. Just because some aren't invited to be a part of that friend's list, doesn't make it secret...it just means some aren't a friend and definitely not welcomed.
It also shows more ethics and maturity than what I witnessed directly after the last bashed meeting, where some members of the board engaged in a discussion in a public parking lot, discussing the events of the meeting... not necessarily whispering either. That showed absolutely NO quality of leadership. Posted: 6-5-07
Let Me Express
Since this is the "Concerns or Opinion" board let me express both about this issue:
FIRST Concern; I am concerned that some don't understand as to why the other website was started.
FIRST Opinion: It is the source for people that really understand the Articles, the CCR's and the State Statutes to converse. We would prefer to keep the others that don't understand these documents, their Contract, not to converse.
SECOND Concern: I am concerned about how interesting this topic is, and how it's going to affect the all time record on Web Hits.
SECOND Opinion: I will only discuss this issue with anyone on the message Board vs: the Concerns & Opinions. The total hits may exceed all previous records.
Cole Kirk Posted: 6-4-07
ANSWER TO: SECRET WEBSITE QUESTION
REASON WHY IS FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO READ OUR WEBSITE JUST TO LEARN
INFORMATION, TO TRY AND MANIPULATE IT AND USE IT AGAINST US IN OUR FIGHT TO SAVE PROPERTY OWNERS FROM OUR "CORRUPT BOARD OF DIRECTORS WHO DONT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT BEING HONEST AND UP FRONT ABOUT ANYTHING THEY DO! CASE IN POINT: THE ILLEGAL ELECTION MAY 26, 2007 DUH!!! Posted: 6-3-07
Reply to the so-called "Secret" Website...
This is a reply to the so-called secret web site... First of all it is not a secret. You know about it. This web-site is a way for one of us to talk intelligent about how Flint Ridge is turning around for the best. As FRF we are making progress in the direction that will benefit all of Flint Ridge POA members. You will be seeing changes made and will see improvements made by FRF that our Board of Directors and GM has not done in years. We know that we are getting close to making FR a better place and for now we need to keep our decision as to what we decide to do next from those who don't really care about FR and those who choose to make very poor decision for the best of FR. If having another web-site offends anyone please know that we will be having a FRF meeting soon and we will be sharing some of the latest changes. If you are truly a FRF member you are welcome to come to our next meeting. Stay tuned and be patient. NOTICE: I know that I am a FRF member/POA member because I can actually sign my name to my posts...
Vicki Acosta Posted: 6-3-07
Same Reason
Probably the same reason the Board holds secret Meetings?
Cole Kirk Posted: 6-3-07
"Secret" Website
I have read posts on the message board that say, "People who have nothing to hide shouldn't need to do things in secret." If you all want everything to be out in the open, why in the hell did you start a "secret" website?!?!
Posted: 6-2-07
IGNORANCE TO THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE!
This is a perfect example. Just because someone is unaware of what the laws are, doesn't mean they don't have to abide by the same laws everyone else does. This infuriates me to no end. If someone doesn't know what our bylaws are, then why the hell are they on the board?
This is the representation we get? That board is supposed to represent us? Not sit back and see how much of OUR money they can spend senselessly!!! I have seen absolutely nothing done with all this money they are getting, that benefits anyone except the golfers and such.
WE paid for security to have radar guns that they aren't legally authorized to use? They are *SECURITY GUARDS* not police officers... PERIOD! If traffic tickets are written, take them to Delaware County Courthouse and see just exactly what they have to say about it. Deputized or not, don't they have to be riding with a real full-time officer in order for this to be legal? So some security officers are deputized now..
Deputized through the county which means any traffic violation tickets should be LEGALLY written as they are sworn in?!?!?! Is this a correct understanding?
Since when does it benefit US for our *NON-Profit Organization* to profit more by using our dues to purchase land in Flint? Some rules only apply when it benefits a few select people. Why do they not have to pay dues on each of these lots they purchased?
We are being robbed of our dues and our dignity...
Who would WANT to live in Flint Ridge at this rate.
For God's sake, there are meth houses and crack houses in Flint Ridge and they're worrying about turning a profit for yet another General Manager to embezzle.
Posted: 5-31-07
Did I miss something?
I was at that meeting and I do not recall any vote to remove anybody. Did I miss something?
I heard board members state they did not know if the members present were qualified to vote, whether the by-law brought before them was legit, (would have helped if any of our board had a copy of the by-laws and covenants with them) or if the vote would be legal,(again, the board thought to have security present but not legal representation).
The only solution the board found to stop a vote was to adjurn the meeting.
So, they quickly took their own vote and left.
Posted: 5-30-07
Re: Wake Up and Smell The Roses
I have said this til I have lost my voice, PAY OUR DUES TO A CHOSEN P.O. to be escrowed in a Bank, pay only our up keep expenses out of it, save the rest, let them try to file leins against our propertys, there is POWER IN NUMBER, THIS WILL ALSO attract the right attention, that will help us get control of FR. AGAIN, our G.M. and most board members will walk off, after DREW EDMONDSON gets through with them, we have all including myself, set back like a WHIPPED PUP, and let them run over us, IT IS OUR PROPERTY AND OUR CORPORATION, LETS TAKE OVER {DOWN WITH DULANEISUM}.
Posted: 5-30-07
Wake Up and Smell The Coffee
Annual Membership Meetings start at 10:00 directly after the monthly board meeting that starts at 9:00 like our Bylaws state. Vice president of the Board of Directors stated he wasn't familiar with the Bylaws and Covenants and that was the reason stated of why property owners didn't get to have their Annual Membership Meeting!!! Until more Property owners "WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE" and get involved in helping us stop this sort of thing from happening, we can expect this type of thing to continue to go on! No Board Member is being held accountable for their actions!!! Attending one monthly board meeting a year, which also happens to be the day when one votes for new Board Members, does not qualify a property owner of thinking they are qualified to speak out and defend the current board!!! Property owners WAKE UP and get informed about the issues at hand before thinking you know what your talking about and objecting to property owners who ARE informed AND ATTEND EVERY POA Monthly Meeting and who are trying their very best to get things accomplished that would be of great benefit to the whole community!!! Like asking for certain Bylaws to be ammended that are currently in place which benefit only Board Members and Management. I saw many new faces that day which I personally have never seen attend any of the seven months in a roll of Board Meetings I have been to. I feel I AM INTITLED to speak my mind, as I am informed on the issues currently facing the Flint Ridge property owners and our community!
If you are serving as a Board Member and are not familiar with all Bylaws and Covenants... YOU are doing yourself and ALL property owners a HUGE DIS-SERVICE!!!
I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT TAKING THESE SILLY EXCUSES ANYMORE WHY THIS TYPE OF THING CONTINUES TO GO ON WITH MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AFFECTING DUES PAYING MEMBERS LIVES WITH THEIR SHANANIGANS!
NOTE: At the last monthly POA Meeting before the May 26th Election, a property owner who got on the agenda to speak addressed the Board with the topic of our Annual Membership Meeting to be held May 26th 2007. In that meeting the Board agreed that we would have the Annual Membership Meeting as the Bylaws state besides the Monthly POA Meeting, and they also agreed that day what capabilities all Property Owners attending this meeting would have including removing any Board Members we as property owners attending voted to remove.
Posted: 5-29-07
Thanks to Everyone
Welllll, Let's hear it....A good post is always nice to see.
Vicki Acosta Posted: 5-10-07
Thanks to Everyone
Is Everyone on the message Board or does anybody ever come back here and refresh on some of the past posts? Is anyone ready to read a
"GOOD" post?
Cole Kirk Posted: 5-7-07
Thanks to Everyone
Thanks to everyone that was able to make it to the FRF meeting on the 18th. It was nice to see new faces. As the weather continues to get nicer I hope to see more and more new faces as well as some of our friends from last year. Thanks to Dee for the wonderful cinnamon rolls.
I would like to encourage everyone to try and make it to our next POA board meeting. The meeting is Saturday February 24th. @ 9:00a.m. in the Deer Valley club house.
Our next FRF meeting will be within the next few weeks. The date and time will be posted soon.
Vicki Acosta Posted: 2-19-07
It Is My Opinion
For: "You Have No Idea,"...
It is my opinion you have done nothing but drag this website down to an all time low level with your remarks. We all have been given this wonderful website to communicate effectively. Your remarks to object to the individuals opinion concerning our intent, does nothing but make FRFolks appear as ridiculous as some choose to see us. Thru out this website, one doesnt have to look very hard to find offensive and hurtful names which effects the true worth of this gift we've all been given. If one will take time and sift thru some of the members opinions expressed on the Members Board, they will find a lot of posts with true merit. Those are the ones I hang my hat on and feel could possibly help all concerned in matters that affect us all.
To: "For The Safety Of My Family,"
I give you thoughts to consider:
"IT IS NOT WORTH AN INTELLIGENT MAN'S TIME TO BE IN THE MAJORITY. BY DEFINITION, THERE ARE ALREADY ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO THAT"...G.H. HARDY.
"ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE DOUBTED EVERYTHING CAN YOU FIND SOMETHING TO BELIEVE IN."
DOUBT EVERYTHING, EVEN YOUR OWN PERCEPTIONS, AND TAKE OTHERS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. IF YOU'VE ALREADY THOUGHT OF ALL THE ARGUMENTS AGAINST YOUR OWN EVIDENCE, ITS MUCH EASIER TO COUNTER THEM.
I DONT BUY IN TO ANYTHING EXPRESSED HERE. I TRY TO BE AS OBJECTIVE AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THINGS. HOWEVER, WHEN FACTS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, I HAVE TO ADMIT IT IS HIGHLY PROBABLE AND THE BIGGEST SKEPTIC COULD'NT EXPLAIN IT AWAY!..... Posted: 2-13-07
For The Safety of My Family
I will continue to post my comments and opinions annonymously for the safety of my family. Why is it so important for you to know my name? Is that really the issue we are trying to deal with here - who I am so you can change my mind? As evident if you look through this site and the history of messages, anyone who does not agree with your opinion or agenda is harrassed, "encouraged" to agree with your side or made to feel ignorant for having a different opinion.
My comments are posted for the benefit of those "outsiders" who view this page to see there are property owners who do enjoy Flint Ridge and support the efforts of those who work hard every day despite the additional obstacles thrown in their way.
There are reasons additional security is called for during POA board and Cares & Concerns meetings (threats and harrassment). For that reason, I will not post my name and subject my family to the threat of being harrassed.
.....Annonymous Posted: 2-13-07
You Have No Idea!
This posting has been removed at the authors request and would like apologize to anyone they may have offended. Posted: 2-13-07
I agree,....Let's Get Real People!!!
I am a property owner and I agree 100% with what "non-property" owner had to say. I have lived here for 3 years now and am saddened at the decline Flint Ridge has experienced since I first moved here. I for one can say (in my honest opinion) it is not because of Management or Leadership, but because of those few people who enjoy nothing in life but to complain. Nothing will ever be right for these people. It doesn't matter who is in charge, it doesn't matter what rules or by-laws get changed, they will always find something to be unhappy about. Now, I know not everything is perfect and it never will be. I too have had my days of aggrevation and frustration with FR POA, but I was aware of the by-laws when I purchased property here, I knew I was buying a lot in a POA and would have to pay dues and fees I would not normally have to pay anywhere else. I just followed the rules. Sometimes, we don't always agree with the rules, but isn't that everywhere? I was here to see the beauty and enjoy the fun events when Bill was our General Manager. He put a lot of hard work and time into improving a lot of areas on Flint Ridge. Did he always do it in a way I might have chosen? No. But he did it all out of passion and desire to see Flint Ridge be the best it could be. How many of you were friends with Bill when he was GM? How many of you were swayed by the negativity and turned against him in the end? How many of you were friends with Steve before he even ever considered becoming GM? How many of you supported his decision to become GM? How many of you now have been swayed by the negativity and have turned against him? It saddens me to see how people who have lived and worked in this community for so long, who have called each other friend, are now turning against each other instead of working together. The hatred that has taken over in a lot of people has given Flint Ridge the bad name it now has come to portray in surrounding communities. This website has done nothing but fuel that fire.
The negative comments, the name calling, and the "secrets". Do you really blame anyone for not wanting to come and look at properties for sale? To actually consider buying property here? I for one have confidence that the board will address each and every issue presented to them if it were presented in a profession, non-threatening manner. Would you buy cookies or pizzas from a child selling for a fundraiser if they threatened to sue you for discrimination if you didn't? What a joke huh? But that is what I see happening at each and every board meeting, cares and concerns meeting and private meeting held between those that have an agenda and the POA. Even if the meeting was considered a step in the right direction by these people, there are still negative comments to be heard. Yes it was a good meeting, I saw some sign of hope BUT….You want everyone to read, listen to and respect your opinions and concerns – how about respecting those of us that have good things to say and are positive about our experiences instead of making us feel like we are stupid for not thinking like you and trying to sway everyone to the negative. You can make life whatever you want, it just depends on how you look at it. I try to wake up everyday thinking positive and hoping for the best out of whatever comes my way, does my day always end up that way? Not always, but it sure beats being unhappy all the time! I agree, Let's Get Real People!!!
.....Annonymous Posted: 2-12-07
Flint Ridge Folks!
Keep up the good work people. We will get Flint Ridge back to where we can all be proud to say we are property owners. THINK, SPEAK, and be HEARD.......Vicki Acosta Posted: 2-12-07
Get Real, Folks!
I am not a property owner at Flint Ridge. Because of friends there, I had looked at lots and just about decided to build there when I found your web site. There seem to be a few people on this site with their own agendas -- playing games for a lack of a better description. It's easy to make veiled remarks about illegal goings on, such as, "I can't say anything here, but call me and I'll tell you in secret." It's pretty easy to upset people and get them stirred up. Negativity multiplies!
How many property owners are there in Flint Ridge? I have heard that there are 550 to 600. There are only 48 members (less than 9%) signed up on your web site, and about 9 of you (less than 2%) do most of the slander and/or complaining. You sling accusations about closed sessions, malicious suits, and misapplication of dues. Where is the proof? Some of you would not be satisfied regardless of what they do. Some of your remarks seem to be justified -- for example, an annual audit. Some of you appear to be truly interested in improvements, but some of you seem to be interested only in stirring up trouble. Why else would you post blasphemous Christmas cards?
I was interested in a gated community. Why have gates if they are opened to anyone with an automobile? If you hire someone to appraise your property, aren't you going to meet him there? If not, the person that comes might be the "someone down the street breaking and entering." It can't be that difficult to call security and leave a name so that the gate will be opened for that person. But then, you couldn't gripe and complain about them not getting in.
Is there anyone that didn't know they would have POA dues when you bought your property? Some builder bought over 400 lots in 2004 at a **tax sale**. Had they paid the dues on these lots, they could have voted in 2005. They offered to pay $85,000 cash and complete work on 5 roads to
take care of their BACK DUES and to keep their dues current in the future. What did they owe? Twelve months on 400 lots would be about $240,000. Did they ever paid any of their dues? Remember, they got the lots for almost nothing. Why do you think they would keep current in the future? History says they would not. That really sounds like people who should control the POA Board, which they could have done after a second election.
What is the point in going to a meeting and asking yes or no questions? If I had a question to ask, it would not be one of "several hundred" that someone else wanted me to ask in order to kill time and frustrate board members who are trying to work with the property owners. You slander these people, call them names like your assholiness, and then expect them to want to work with you. Get real, folks! What is the problem with sending board correspondence to the office? Are you not able to ask if they received it at the Cares and Concerns meetings you talk about? If they say no, then your accusations will have some basis. Otherwise, it's just your opinion based on nothing. If you are truly concerned, you could always hand deliver correspondence or send it by certified mail.
This is for anyone who claims to have documentation that the board and/or gm won't work with them. What proof do you have that lawsuits filed are malicious and without merit? What proof do you have that YOU have actually attempted to work with them in good faith instead of stirring up trouble and wasting FR resources that belong to all property owners (increasing the costs for everyone)? I'd have to say that it's common knowledge, if not just plain common sense, that once a lawsuit has been filed, the parties to that suit should not be discussing it with each other or anyone else.
If all you are looking for is negativity, I can guarantee you'll find it every time. Instead, try looking for the positive and you may be surprised to find it. As it stands, the only thing this web site is doing is running down property values and chasing away potential buyers. I'm sure that was not the intent of the site owner when he/she started the site. Posted: 1-18-07
The Flint Ridge Mission Statement reads...
"Flint Ridge Resort is a private community where we connect as neighbors and work together to grow, develop and maintain our common resources, while preserving our rual lifestyle."
I wish they would consider taking this many steps further by applying: who, what, where, when and how. Which in turn would create much more importance to the overall Mission Statement. I would like to see them recognize that the property owners thoughts count greatly. For that reason, give us the opportunity to answer a survey with questions
pertaining to all aspects of Flint Ridge. From the results of this, direct "OUR" attention towards those aspects. Strive to create a board that will include a voice from each of the different areas to represent us. And, dont stop there, but also include views from different generations, including a representative for the teenagers. Who better to ask then a teenager what they would like to see in new amenities. Consider including ways of nuturing wholesome American values thru out "OUR" community with much more thought and effort given to events, activities, and most importanly, to how business is conducted by the P.O.A. board. I !would like to see us strive for more consistency with every aspect of Flint Ridge. Much too much inconsistency prevails! I would like to see everyone strive to eliminate cynicism which currently divides us within our community. Strive more towards obtaining a staff of employees that are committed to making things happen in such a way that it reflects in our Mission Statement. Consider in our over all budget for the year, letting a small percentage of the total, be used towards creating new amenities each and every year. And in closing, for all of us to pay much more attention to all the fine details of our existing amenities, benefiting all that have property here, amongst the beauty that is Flint Ridge. I for one would love the opportunity to apply my talents as I am sure there are many more who talents could greatly benefit us all, if only given the opportunity. Posted: 1-4-07
Whine With A Little Cheese
Why don't all of you quit whining and seek to incorporate part of flint ridge, face it we really are not a gated community like you would find in tulsa or bentonville, so those of you who think this is a bunch of bull make it a town and be done with the board, remember your founding fathers did this to "mother" england, otherwise i will be glad to cut you a large slice of cheese to go with Your "WHINE"......Lived Here 13 years Posted: 1-4-07
Wild Packs Should Be Destroyed
I read with interest the wild dogs attacking cows. It sounds like the three dogs who were running in the park. I go down by the river to walk with my little Maltese. I was afraid to even take her out of the car on her lease because of them. They were even fighting each other. I don't believe we should kill strays. They are the products of a careless former owner who left them. However, when wild dogs run in packs children, adults, elderly and smaller pets are not safe. I believe they should be destroyed. They are dangerous and as such a danger to people and pets.
Please realize I do love dogs and even though I'm allergic to cats they are lovable too. But, the wild packs should be destroyed. This is my opinion and does not reflect anybody else's opinion.....
Cee Woods Posted: 12-17-06
Killer Dogs ~ Parents, please watch your children.
I live in the valley below Flint Ridge and on Nov 11 & 12 there were a pack of 3 dogs--(2 black pit bulls and 1 White speckled) that came off Flint Ridge and attacked 2 of our cattle. All three dogs had one cow down viscously biting and tearing off part of her utter and shredding her rear area before we could get to the end of the field to stop them. The next night they took another cow down eating off part of her utter. If they will do this to a cow think of what can happen to a child. Parents, please watch your children. This was a bloody scene and I believe these to be killer dogs......Linda Shackelford Posted: 11-25-06
Keep From Getting Confused
Vicki, just to keep anyone from getting confused, I think we should say the Next Flint Ridge Folks meeting is this Sunday the 5th at Noon at the RVII Clubhouse. The next CARES and CONCERNS meeting is the following Saturday the 11th, at 10:00 am in the Main Clubhouse. The Board will be having a SPECIAL Board meeting that starts at 8:00 on that day, (Saturday, 11th) to Discuss and vote on the Dues Increase for 2007. I will be there at 8:00 and hope everyone else show up also......Cole Posted: 11-3-06
Next Cares and Concerns Meeting
Our next Cares and Concerns meeting is scheduled for Sunday Nov.5th. @ 12:00 noon in the RVII clubhouse. Invite everyone you see. We need to keep our numbers up. Questions or suggestions: Feel free to give me a call: Vicki Acosta 918-446-8117 Posted: 11-1-06
Glad To See
Glad to see a web page about Flint Ridge and its concerns. I WILL be checking in from time to time, thanks....Rich Replogle Posted: 10-30-06
Would Like To Know?
Concerning the allegged dropping off dogs at the state park, or anywhere else. I would like to know when this supposedly happened, considering there hasn't been a white maint. truck whith our logo on the road for almost a year. Posted: 10-30-06
Few Comments On Your Concerns and Your Statements
Zane,
I would like to make a few comments on your concerns and your statements. Let me start by saying thank you and your wife for showing up at the meeting. I would also like to thank you for your comments and add that you and I need to talk personally about a couple of items that are of mutual interest. I won't go into that on this website.
What I will say on this website is;
First, I also attended the 10/14/06 meeting, but I didn't leave until it was over. Not only that, but I have attended more meetings in the last 3 years than anyone that is reading this post has. That includes EVERY BOARD MEMBER, General manager, with Dulaney included.
Second, The Guns didn't bother or threaten me as they did you.(or maybe ralph) I will explain why to you why they didn't later.
Third, Managing Flint Ridge IS a full time job. We are almost a 2 million dollar a year corporation. Welcome to McDonalds. Would you like fries with that?
I agree with alot of the things you say, but you didn't care enough to stay for the entire meeting. Did you stay long enough to here what I or anyone else said? Do you care to hear what I or anyone else said? Did you just get frusterated and leave. That concerns me.
You stated in the previous post that Starting Monday you are going to start to work with the illegal laws that they are violating. This is Monday Night as I am writing this. You also say that an attorney is not needed if it is illegal and that you are going to Adair County. Then you talk about all of these constitutional rights that they have violated. Sounds like me 3 years ago. (maybe ernie last month). Not the way it works Zane.
In case you didn't know it, you waived MOST of your FEDERAL Constitutional Rights when you bought into Flint Ridge. You have a contract. It is called Covenants. Place a sign in your yard. Freedom of speach or Freedom of expression or is it a violation of a covenant because of the signs? Your Federal Rights play no part when you sign a contract. The US Supreme Court has ruled on that issue already, many times. Read the previous posts and it will explain it, or ask me and I will explain. Notice I said Federal. I did,nt say State. Read your Covenants.
You also said they violate illegal laws.
You don't violate illegal laws, you can only violate legal laws. I can't discuss that either on this site.
As far as going to the Adair County authorities, who are you going to discuss this with?
I would suggest you talk with the "Lame Duck" District Attorney, Mr. Richard Gray. Since he was defeated in the run off last month, He leaves office in January. You might want to hurry. He is a nice guy though.
What you might find interesting though, when I made an appointment 2 weeks ago to see Richard,(this was right after the POA Board meeting with the heavy gun security), I met with him personally for over 2 hours last Tuesday Morning in his office. One of the topics we discussed was the 2, (TWO) OFF Duty Armed Deputies getting paid time & 1/2 by the POA, which is US, to sit with guns and ticket books. We also discussed the enforcability of those citations, among other things. He advised me to let him know if anything out of the ordinary was done by the deputies, and bring copies of any tickets to him. Again, I don't want to elaborate on our conversation on any other matters we discussed at that meeting on this web site, but we covered a lot of areas, people and contacts in that 2 hours.
Zane,
If you or anyone wants to REALLY get involved and make the changes that need to be made to Flint Ridge, Start by attending and Staying at the meetings. This starts THIS Thursday night, This week at 6:00 pm at the clubhouse.
Water Board Meeting where they are going to try and drive the stake in all of us. Trust me. I don't even have water, in case anyone didn't know, and I will be there before 6:00 pm with my tape recorder running, fighting for whats right. I will also stay till the cows come home. As far as the Dumping of Dogs issue, I haven't heard a word about that rumor yet, but inquiring minds want to know....
Cole Kirk Posted: 10-17-06
I Thought It Was A Meeting of FLINT RIDGE FOLKS
I attended the meeting of 10/14/06. I must have been mistaken about it, I thought it was a meeting of {FLINT RIDGE FOLKS). Not a meeting of the P.O.A. BOARD? I didn't stay long. There were too many guns for me. But as Rich and Robinson is it could have been his personal body guards?, with 104 Employees=14.8per store. That is like his hiring a Flint Ridge, Full time Manager & an Asset Manager. Managing Flint Ridge isn't a full time job, for a qualified manager. But our assstant Manager is needed, because our manager spends 8 hrs a day trying to figure out what his job is, so we need an assistant to do the work, in my opinion Delaneys qualifications should be saying {WELCOME TO McDONALDS}. and with our President craving for power and authority he should visit Dr. Phil {horizontal on the couch}.
Our meetings need to be our meeting not the P.O.A. BOARD, they need to ask the questions and, we give the answers. as to what we need & expect of them.
Starting Monday I am going to work on the Illegal laws that the P.O.A. & General Manager are doing and has done, If it is Illegal we don't need an attorney. We pay taxes for that, I am going to Adair County that is the Flint Ridge Office Address. Maybe there no; one from AdairCounty on the P.O.A. BOARD.
#1. All P.O.A. or not that was stopped by Security, with our without a red light, can Prosecute , and get there money back.
#2. Any P.O.A. member who ask for papers from the office and were refused,{with very few exceptions} {illegal}
#3. Refused 3 of my Constitutions Rights Freedon of and attorney.
#4. Refused {freedom of speach}
#5. Refused {freedom of Press}
those 3 are a FEDERAL OFFENSE.
#6. DUMPING dogs at one of the State Parks along the Illinois River a white ford pickup truck with FLINT RIDGE SIGN ON IT. There are 3 witnesses who know the driver. {we all do!}. when all the illegal things are stopped in FLINT RIDGE. You will see our troubles on the P.O.A. BOARD RESIGN......
Zane & Dee Garrett Posted: 10-16-06
HEY GUESS WHAT??
HEY GUESS WHAT?? RANDY BABCOCK AND HIS WIFE JANICE AND HER
DAUGHTER BREE ARE LEAVING THE EMPLOY OF FLINT RIDGE. THIS IS LIVING PROOF THAT RATS LEAVE A SINKING SHIP FIRST Posted: 10-16-06
AFTER 14 YEARS THIS SMELLS JUST LIKE TED ROBERTSON
The Entrenched BoardThe smaller the power, the smaller are those who seek to possess it.
One of the most disturbing situations to emerge from the growth of homeowner’s associations is the problem of abusive boards. Not all boards are abusive, but many are. An abusive board usually becomes entrenched and wields excessive power.
The entrenched board is made up of individuals who get elected to the board over and over again. As time passes, they become unresponsive to the needs of the community. They enjoy the powers and perks that come with exercising control over their neighbors.
If owners are to fight back against an abusive, entrenched board they must understand why a board becomes abusive.
An apathetic community will always provide a home for an abusive, entrenched board that rarely turns over its membership. Over time, the board increases its authority to a dictatorial level, answering to no one.
Owners pay little attention to the boards activities. In fact, most owners are just glad someone else is taking care of association business.
There is little communication between the owners and even less political activity. In an apathetic community, the entrenched board serves its own interests. At election time, the entrenched board is able to control the election process because so few owners get involved.
To reverse this trend, a community needs a number of owners to go to board meetings and keep abreast of the board's activities. Though many owners will remain apathetic, some will get involved. This change would go a long way towards creating an association that is reasonably stable, with slow, steady membership turnover. A board like this should remain responsive to the interests of the owners.
The first step towards a cure for the abusive, entrenched board is the creation of a healthy, politically active community. Owners must be willing to join with one another to serve the interests of the entire community. They must understand their community’s problems, develop solutions, and educate other owners. In time, these active owners will replace the abusive board members. Of course, they must continue to encourage a fair and open political process.
The second step in the solution to this problem will have to come from State lawmakers; there is a desperate need for legal reform in the area of community association law. Legislators must create laws that will give owners the legal means to fight back against abusive boards. They must make it easier for owners to remove board members and to recover legal fees and court costs when they prevail in court.
But if reform is ever to occur, the owners must demand it. Reform will come when homeowners refuse to allow their neighborhoods to be turned into gulags. If owners refuse to defend their communities, they know what to expect.....TOM LILLESKAU Posted: 10-12-06
Is The "Board" Afraid of What They May Find?
I recall that at one meeting an individual stood up and recommended that the board have all of POA management acounting audited. The "Board" spoke that we would not pass an audit due to pass descrepancies and it would cost $25,000.00 to do so. Is the "Board" afraid of what they may find? So what if it cost $25,000.00 to do so? We pay our dues and they have the funds.
There is so much conflict of interest in this current "Board" that they should really take a look into the mirror before the legalities catch up with them.
Does any of the management personnel in the POA office or Security have a personal relationship, be it intimate, marriage, etc. that would be considered a conflict of interest????
Should an individual that works in the DA's office be on the "Board"???? What if you have legitimate legal charges against the "Board"?????? Conflict of Interest or not?????
Who is the Legal representative for Flint Ridge Association???? I heard that it was a Lawyer that used to be a DA?????
I don't know...but it seems to me that there is a lot of "good ol boy" hiring and favors going on. I don't have a warm fuzzy fealing about the going on's and maybe a petition on some of these issues is needed to address concerns of legal nature with the DA's office. Posted: 10-11-06
Kangaroo Court Has Been In Session
Flint Ridge is now a county court house? Kangaroo court has been in session, I hear. Tickets are written for bogus reasons from "non-law enforcement officers" then enforcing individuals to go to the Flint Ridge Court. Hmm... Needing more golf carts, I suppose. Yet, this is legal? I don't know of a "Real" judge around that would touch an action such as this. Let me add, if someone gets written a ticket for any reason (usually a standard $500 ticket) and they don't pay it, they get it added to their POA account. Kinda reminds me of when unpaid POA dues was grounds for getting your water shut off. Speaking of water, if anyone hasn't noticed, everytime the water pressure drops in a particular part of the ridge, the excuse is almost always, busted pipes. I've personally noticed in the past that low water pressure means the golf course is getting a nice watering or one of the swimming pools were getting refilled. Not surprisingly, I was informed that one end of the ridge! isn't important enough when it comes to pecking order for water, so a valve is turned a bit which lowers pressure for some and raises pressure for the more fortunate. I can't wait to see what the ridge has in store for us all in the future. Depressing enough, my family is strapped down to this place after being lied to and completely snowed into buying here. They need to at least show the *REAL FLINT RIDGE* before doing all they can to make a profit. Lie! Cheat! Steal! That is all they do. That's how they run this (laughing loud on this one) *NON-PROFIT* Organization.
I'm personally challenging everyone on this AWESOME board to dig up the legalalities of just a couple of the operations the POA Board has been up to. You'll be suprised. Or.. not!
And coming from a member *not in good standing with POA* as they call me, I am fighting mad! How many of you would stand still while your school age children were denied access to get to their own home just because the BOARD tells Security to do this? And my list just goes on and on.
Posted: 10-10-06
OUR SO-CALLED TREE TRIMMERS
Well....I think that the Board has gone OVER BOARD in utilizing the maintenance men to do the tree trimming around here. First of all, they were NOT GIVEN PERMISSION or ASKED PERMISSION to trim my trees in front of my Property. I realize that they have 3 feet of right of way to trim the tree's, but NOT MORE THAN 3 FEET. They just, TODAY, came by and started trimming my trees WITHOUT ASKING PERMISSION. |
