Beginnings of the "Golden Thread"; Oct 2, 2003
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"Human Subject #58-001" 10/2/2003 5:08 am EDT
"Mystery Of Dr. Dan Burisch !!!IMPORTANT!!!
Sorry for the long cut īn paste, but this is to important not to...
Thanks to Jeff Rense for not ībacking downī... This is heavy stuff folks that should be splattered over all the sites, forums, newspapers and tv-stations...
It might be just this thread that will remain after ītheyī take everything off the net.. īTheyī have already intimidated many who īstumbledī upon this..:" [continued............ the greatest internet saga]
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"The Genesis of the Golden Thread (GT)" - by Dondep
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Monday 29, 2009
I've also posted the email notification to Project Camelot on the http://www.danburisch.info website. The 'summary' below will also be posted there shortly. There was simply so much material to work with that I ended up focusing on the posts by Peace/PreserveDestiny/Lord Hill-Norton/'Hilly' that showed this group had, for better or worse, been determined to be as close to a representative cross-section of humanity as would ever been mustered for the purpose of disclosure, despite the fact we ultimately rejected the 'gospel' of Dan Burisch literally while accepting that much of the 'saga' had a basis in fact.
The Genesis of the Golden Thread (GT)
The genuine Golden Thread began on Oct 2, 2003, with a post by one Dan H. of the Netherlands calling himself "Human Subject #58-001" after the reference to a human being who was the subject of human experimentation near Area 51 that Dan Burisch was involved with. The title of this post was "Mystery of Dr. Dan Burisch!!! IMPORTANT!!!" It was partially in response to a request I had made of Dan H., due to the fear the mysterious disappearance of B.J. Wolf and the burglarization of Dan Burisch's parents' home had instilled in myself and Starryeyes (my significant other, who has shared the entire odyssey from Washington DC to Canada, Las Vegas NV, and Las Vegas NM and back to Washington DC) . HS (as Human Subject #58-001 was often known, to save typing) and WR (for WhiteRabbit, an avatar for one Kate S. of Australia) began holding a vigil by "bumping" the conversation, or 'Thread' so as to keep the subject on the front page of GLP (Godlikeproductions.com, home to subjects of interest to the "lunatic fringe" and proud of it) as we genuinely believed something bad might happen to us. This was partly because I was holding onto the only known remaining copy of the videotaped testimony Dan Burisch had provided the previous Sept. Not only did the circumstances indicate that what he had been talking about and I had been receiving information about were real, but a team of alleged CIA agents showed up in town, asking questions of the local merchants. I wouldn't have believed it myself if I hadn't been speaking with the town's newspaper editor about MJ-12 and in walks the female of the couple, asking how to get to the "famous" bed-and-breakfast we were in the process of purchasing. I froze in place, my back to her, while the editor told her he "couldn't give that information out". She appeared genuinely shocked at the rebuff, and he was visibly agitated as he returned to our conversation.
That was the catalyst for my request to Dan H. the good-hearted 'Dutchie', after which I asked Kate S. of Australia to bring her post titled "J-Rod" over to the thread and within a couple of days a number of readers began posting questions about Dan Burisch. Everyone that seemed to know something shared it, and soon it became the most active thread on GLP. Over the course of the next 12 months it spawned over 29 "volumes" as it began taking up bandwidth and our loose-knit community was finally asked to leave GLP as a result. Fortunately, Kate S. had developed our "library", where the documents, videos and images pertaining to Dan Burisch were kept. She had even discovered the original pages from the defunct Eagles Disobey website that had been closed down when BJ Wolf (pseudonym of Marcia McDowell, now Mrs. Burisch, or is it Mrs. Crain? Dr. McDowell? Dr. Crain-McDowell? Or has Dan Burisch become Dan McDowell?) had mysteriously disappeared. Of course she soon re-appeared as having been inducted into Majestic, a fact which was disclosed on the now- 'Golden Thread' as one of the original posters so named it, that poster calling himself "Uncle John".
Within a month, by Nov 2003, certain 'insiders' began posting on the Golden Thread, and the regulars learned how to use the Yahoo! Messenger service to have private chats with not only each other but with these 'insiders' who seemed to be part of Dan Burisch's jailer/bodyguard detail, or his communications, or the support staff that studied his work product. Other 'insiders' appeared also, to chastise and threaten the more talkative ones. The group of us, which had upwards of 2 dozen active participants at one time, were given webcam and IM chat access to Dan Burisch, and despite the emotional roller-coaster ride this independent group has taken over the years since vis-ā-vis Dan Burisch, it appears that at the very least an individual known by that name was active and involved in developing esoteric microbiological projects for the shadowy group known as "Majestic 12". Chief among these was the "Ganesh Particle" and subsequent model for harnessing it, called by its theoretical developer the "Lotus Protocol".
All of Dan Burisch's work was set on a 'timeline' that was governed by something known as the DCTP, or "Doctrine of Convergent Timelines Paradox", that required him to complete his "model" in advance of the signing of the next treaty installment with certain extraterrestrials. At first, according to the videotaped Sept. 2002 interview of Dan Burisch by Bill Hamilton that we had started making available to as many as would take it, the treaty negotiations were set for March of 2003. After the 'insiders' began arranging for webchats with Dan Burisch in Nov of 2003, we learned that the treaty had been postponed for another year, allowing Burisch more time to develop his "model". We were also told that this "model", while supposedly to be given to the extraterrestrials, was set to be hidden by Majestic so that it would be 'found', or rediscovered, by a specific individual in the year 2091, post-Catastrophe. In fact, we were even told the location of the hiding place at the Library of Congress. (Though to be truthful, we were 'sworn to secrecy' regarding this hiding place, an ancient technique to secure the loyalty and silence of those about to be bamboozled.) In Jan 2004 we were shown Nobel Peace Prize nominations for Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell (who following her official 'induction' into MJ-12 in Sept. 2003 discarded the BJ Wolf pseudonym), made by an obscure secret society known as the "Knight Protectors Institute for Peace Studies".
In early Feb 2004, the individual known to the Golden Thread (or GT, to save space) as "Peace", who was alleged to be none other than Lord Hill-Norton (or 'Hilly' as his colleagues affectionately knew him as), posted the following letter on the thread:
I should be explanatory in saying that the first posting with this name was a friend of mine, and not me. It appears that a bellower may take both as mine, so I have clarified.
You should be made aware that a letter of warning was received, properly formatted, which was the causation for my writing you. The text follows. "It has been noted that a certain public internet chat-forum has attempted contact with Maj person H-6196 (Preserve Destiny-Staar Flower-Lotus; U.S.). The research has been assigned a completion date.
Further attempts to breach security will be nullified. The leader of this group is assigned F5, documents accompany. No contact is to be allowed or facilitated to the same. Violations of Maj personnel will be dealt with in the most strict sense. (Authorization Code: Maj 78, 03FEB04 06:17:53 GMT)"
This type of announcement is a stunner and a real stick in the mud to anyone attempting a breach. Simply put my boy: you have more of a chance of authenticating a message from Houdini, than reaching Dr. Burisch. It is time to pause, turn around, and make the best of things.
Someone, with enough power to say, appears not to like you.
Despite the threat, we continued to receive some communications from 'inside', though much restricted. In March, one 'raven' in particular offered to secure the keys to the warehouse in Canada in which the remaining copies of "Eagles Disobey: The Case for Inca City, Mars" were housed, complete with the original printing plates. Soon thereafter, this particular 'raven' was allegedly caught, and was impersonated by one of the thugs responsible for such breaches in an IM to me in which it was inferred that nothing was left of said 'raven' but a 'handful of feathers'.
However, something apparently had changed within the highest ranks of Majestic, or at least the remnants of the international group that had superceded Majestic, known as the Committee of the Majority (CotM). In early May, J (J, a/k/a MJ-1, who later went on to become DNI Director, National Intelligence of the Bush administration) came on-thread to post the following invitation to us: I am going to open up Dan Burisch to a conference if you want one. This will be your LAST chance to speak with this man that you are pushing around when you know little of him. How do I know you know so little? Itīs because you have regarded him as a saint. I have instructed him to tell the complete truth to you people, save 1 issue. That will become apparent. He will say NO COMMENT. You wanna talk with him Nighshade09? How about you Dschaak? Allan? Boomerang? Dondep? Hamilton?
If I can get a hold of McDowell I will instruct her to be open with you people as well.
His cams have been removed for his safety after someone said the word KILL at his door yesterday that was witnessed and reported to the LVMPD. You want to talk with him (them)- set up your conference.
Crackajack- I will warn you ahead of time he will tell everyone about the letter. He spoke with dondep and Crackajack on MY order early this morning and only said what he was supposed to say- nothing more.
He has been a truthful person with you people, saying things publicly that WE allowed to leak to you.
He has convinced me (and others) that LIGHT needs to be shed on this. Personally I am against it as he knows, but if he needs to tell you I am in little position given what everybody already knows, to suggest he shouldnīt.
So, big talkers, set it up. This will, in my personal opinion, be a waste of his time, and mine to watch....but maybe you all can get some sleep afterward. If not at least he will let me get some. To make a long story short, the webchat conference took place on Yahoo! Messenger with most of the regulars in attendance, as well as Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell. The reactions were often heated and impassioned, with most of the participants posting on-thread their reactions to what we had been told. Some didn't believe a single thing, others had more mixed reactions, and some even were effusively thankful to J for having provided the opportunity. Shortly afterwards, while discussing the merits of whether what we had been told was truthful or not, I made the following suggestion:
Solution 1: ----We arrange to have our entire group indicted by a grand jury. We then all, as equals and without fanfare, testify in lieu of Dan to a congressional panel about the Lotus and the DCTP, including the most important related issue of the Tau IX. In this day and age, this could be done without us having to personally appear on Capitol Hill or in front of Parliament. If we do this right, the Js (all 12) might even allow Dan to appear via webcam (uh-oh, here come the har-hars) and provide a digital signature to verify himself. Together, as a group of equals and peers, we compile a "citizensī report", as opposed to the "citizenīs report" (god forbid I try to own the process lol) Iīm currently working on. This report is then copied and given to each member of the democratically-elected representatives of the countries of the people who are taking part here.
Then, it canīt be said that the decision wasnīt made without the knowledge of the representatives that MJ-12 supposedly answer to, if the original intent of their founding is adhered to.
This apparently caught the eye of Lord Hill-Norton, who as 'Peace' then posted the following the next day (shortened for brevity):
Your option isnīt totally off the table. This morningīs weather pushed a gail 8 kilometres to the yes and 4 kilometres to the no. A 12 kilometre gail is hardly ever observed and so the last minutes before a storm are always an exciting event! Others would be nearly impossible to vet the work as compartmentalized studies are arranged that way. If the work is the engine, he is the petrol. Without the petrol the engine does not function. We have established an alternate fuel source is necessary but only then so.
I rather think that it would be very difficult to round up the needed numbers possessing sufficient emotional stability to enact your proposition. If such would occur, it is my opinion that a demand for his presence may be authorized. An understanding that a demand will only be met after a preceding authorization is granted, should be viewed as critical to any measure of success in this issue. Cheers! Peace!
'Hilly' was signaling that 8 members of Majestic 12 were apparently willing to go with the suggestion I had floated for enacting 'Disclosure', but even then it wouldn't be a 'complete' Disclosure as I well knew. Still, it was heartening to know we were making headway. Following this bombshell from 'Peace', the following exchange took place:
This letter is sent to confirm that the intent of the contents of my previous letter has not changed, nor have the windīs direction.
It is up to the hearts of this little group as to what form of action they wish to take. If they follow your suggestion, I would estimate the likelihood of having this gentle man actually present himself for testimony at 80-90%.
As was previously stated to the group, it will be on the terms of those that make such decisions, and not by others' demands. On a strictly personal basis, I wonder what will happen and what the group will do? Make history or just be part of it? Only time will tell.
WhiteRabbit (Kate, the "librarian" of the documents/videos/images we had collected over the previous 7 months) posted:
To Peace and Don,
I really donīt know what i would put in a statement. Any truth here is hidden under layer of murkiness. In fact I am pretty much of the same opinion that I was when Don was asking for statements to help the cause first time around. And no I didnīt submit one then, it wouldīve hardly helped him
Iīm still 50/50 on all of this so a statement from me would involve declaring:
Yes, Iīve looked at scans of documents, but no I donīt understand them.
Yes, Iīve read chat transcripts but how much truth there is in them I have no idea.
Yes, Iīve received screendumps of webcams and desktops, but yes, I could also reproduce those in Photoshop without too much effort.
Yes, I have attended one chat session with Dan B and even taken screendumps. It appeared to be Dan B, but for all I know, Bill could be about to release the "real" picture of Dan B along with another account of what is really going on Peace (and Don),
Why do you still want Dan B to be a "poster child". What do you hope to gain?
Youīll not get any more help from me until I start to see some logical reasons as to why I should continue to make the effort. I could make a difference if I thought it was the right thing to do (we all could), but a call to arms without reason... sigh!
Peace returned to answer:
1. I am no better than anyone else, however I am certainly better off than many. I see less days ahead of me than behind.
2. I wish for the world to know disclosure. However, I am not asking for your help, but simply suggesting a course that may eventuate a positive world change.
3. Dr. Burisch has one of the largest references to this aspect of the extraterestrial phenomenon and can tell it.
4. Reports have determined that governments should not disclose this information, that it would be better off letting the world public make the decision to know it.
5. While this group certainly does not occupy the largest possible cross section of world societies, it comprises an excellent enough mix to alert those in control that disclosure may be the right course.
6. It is not being asked for anyone to declare a truth as established by any other. That is domination and I would not be a party to it. It is only being asked whether members of this group would be willing to take a real stand on their own part.
7. It is being considered by those who do have the power, whether such disclosure is appropriate for world society in general. Hence, we are speaking to general society. The willingness to move oneīs intentions to real action (or lack thereof) speaks volumes to considering disclosure. Cheers! Peace
Kate posted, Peace,
Thanks for that. I donīt think I can post any comments to your response in the short time I have at the moment, without making it sound like whining, lol.
Hopefully someone else will have productive comments and Iīll work on mine later. Kate
An anonymous coward using the "?" symbol asked; Peace...
"6. It is not being asked for anyone to declare a truth as established by any other. That is domination and I would not be a party to it. It is only being asked whether members of this group would be willing to take a real stand on their own part". Can you, or will you please clarify what in your opinion would constitute us taking a real stand?
Writing a statement as to what we believe or desire? Writing a statement as to what we have witnessed or learned as part of this group? Your opinion is valued here and a little guidance from someone in your position can go a long way in helping us understand what steps are best at this time.
If a statement IS what you are asking or suggesting we do, what do we do with these statements? The political powers are not listening to anyone but themselves, are you suggesting we turn these statements over to Don Dep?
I apologize if I am the only one who is unclear on this, and Thank you should you chose to take the time to clarify.
Peace be with you!
Ubleck then stated,
disclosure is like sailing to a destination. the wind will come along and do the job anyway. but why not row hard and get there quicker. then you have more time to wander or just loiter. besides thats where the good stuff is. we still want genuinely good stuff, not bad rubbish. wanting bad rubbish is the old cloudy way, remember? and rowing with your back into it is honest work. Jeff then added his opinion;
"4. Reports have determined that governments should not disclose this information, that it would be better off letting the world public make the decision to know it."
This world needs a shakeup, including official information on the reality of ETīs and JRODs. Some people will never change in good ways unless they are faced with something they canīt deny. I think disclosure is a good defense against other factions that are doing things against us in strict secrecy.
Peace then addressed the points raised:
1. "Thanks for that. I donīt think I can post any comments to your response in the short time I have at the moment, without making it sound like whining, lol. Hopefully someone else will have productive comments and Iīll work on mine later. Kate" No comments to my response are necessary. Your actions are what will dictate to others. This is about you.
2. "Can you, or will you please clarify what in your opinion would constitute us taking a real stand? Writing a statement as to what we believe or desire? Writing a statement as to what we have witnessed or learned as part of this group?" Where would the written statement go and who would listen to it? This is precisely why a few people and myself locked on to Mr. Deppellerīs idea. An action in a suitable forum, where oaths are taken, provides a concrete declaration of sorts.
3. "The political powers are not listening to anyone but themselves, are you suggesting we turn these statements over to Don Dep?"
No. My suggestion is to support the idea as developed by Mr. Deppeller. Your statement may have great value if presented to a grand jury.
4. "disclosure is like sailing to a destination. the wind will come along and do the job anyway. but why not row hard and get there quicker. then you have more time to wander or just loiter. besides thats where the good stuff is. we still want genuinely good stuff, not bad rubbish. wanting bad rubbish is the old cloudy way, remember? and rowing with your back into it is honest work."
My lifeīs work was sailing. You sound like a hard worker. That will be the only way such disclosure is obtained, through the demonstration of work and declared intent by a family of people, not elitists or power mongers. That was decided long ago by the very powers that control the information feed. I canīt change that reality. It is very true that a wind will come along and take you to a destination, but whoīs? The genuinely good stuff doesnīt just come along it is also arrived at by hard work. This meeting between the group and myself is not about me, it is about you. Are you satisfied with arriving where ever the winds of others takes you or acting as navigators yourselves?
No statements to me are necessary. As well it is not my job to declare the color of the clothing worn by others. I matter little in this debate. Mr. Deppeller developed a unique and positive way to move the idea of disclosure ahead, and in a manner that would promote acceptance by those with the power to open the flood gates of information. If such a stand is taken by the members of this group, please simply indicate the nature and timing. I will respond further at that time, and move on securing the young manīs appearance. If not, it is my wish that you enjoy your lives. Cheers! Peace
You are not asking for our help, yet you use this statement "It is only being asked whether members of this group would be willing to take a real stand on their own part" from point 6.
What is it that you really want? Look you have our attension you have shared your case with us. But honestly what are we here at GLPs is just a rag tag buch from across the world that have come together to listen to what you have to say.
We have no political power no power what so every accept to get your message out across the internet and may into fringe radio.
If you are who you say you are YOU OWE HUMANITY THE TRUTH. You have to take step out of the shadows. An if that evidence you provide is earth shattering. We will do the rest , organzie and join you in that march to Congress. For once and all time have the TRUTH out there as to the Alien Presense.
Boomerang had his own questions, too;
Approximately how many people worldwide currently know the truth regarding these matters would you say?
What is the normal reaction from these people when they first realise itīs so?
What was your personal reaction? You must have discovered the truth yourself at some point.
What age were you then?
1. "You are not asking for our help, yet you use this statement 'It is only being asked whether members of this group would be willing to take a real stand on their own part' from point 6." I am not personally asking for your help. The statement was phrased as a possible solution, viewing what Mr. Deppeller ideated.
2. "What is it that you really want? Look you have our attension you have shared your case with us. But honestly what are we here at GLPs is just a rag tag buch from across the world that have come together to listen to what you have to say. We have no political power no power what so every accept to get your message out across the internet and may into fringe radio."
Your choice to act or not is yours. Power, in many cases is perceived. Should you choose to remain powerless of your own accord, by doing nothing, that is your choice. I am not asking you to take responsibility. That is your choice to be had.
3. "If you are who you say you are YOU OWE HUMANITY THE TRUTH. You have to take step out of the shadows. An if that evidence you provide is earth shattering. We will do the rest , organzie and join you in that march to Congress. For once and all time have the TRUTH out there as to the Alien Presense."
I have not told you who I am, in so many words. I have rules upon me just as everyone. If you are looking for a leader, look not to me, but to yourself. If you are waiting for someone to lead you, you will not be able to further the cause to public disclosure. Wishing others to do for you first is exactly the psychological bend that was expected of the populace and engendered the notion that people werenīt ready to know. I fear you, as an individual, may have just justified that position. The choice is yours: act or not.
4. "Approximately how many people worldwide currently know the truth regarding these matters would you say?"
Less than a thousand. As for what the young man can demonstrate, less than 20. he is capable of bringing a fully functioning extraterrestrial physiology to life before scientists that can appropriately evaluate the data.
5. "What is the normal reaction from these people when they first realise it?s so?" I have only witnessed total astonishment.
6. "What was your personal reaction? You must have discovered the truth yourself at some point." My reaction was astonishment. I didnīt discover the truth as it was presented before my eyes.
"What age were you then?"
I was a precious 31 years of age. Cheers! Peace
None of us are powerless. The problem is to make the right decision based on the information given and to be at peace with that decision.
The information we have, contains inaccuracies. What information is accurate and what is not? When does J1 or J6, or anyone else, jump in to stir the pot?
Peace, in what would be the last communication from him, then posted;
1. "None of us are powerless. The problem is to make the right decision based on the information given and to be at peace with that decision."
Yes I live the burden.
2. "The information we have, contains inaccuracies. What information is accurate and what is not?"
The basis of the case concerning the young doctor is quite accurate. The science data, while presented to your fine group in degraded forms in some cases and incomplete in others, is also quite accurate in content.
The constant infusion of insiders, from your point of views, should be treated with extreme skepticism. This should also include my posts to you. I am not permitted to be brain-teased to any real extent and am only here to make a suggestion. I have made the "suggestion".
3. "When does J1 or J6, or anyone else, jump in to stir the pot?"
They wonīt. I am only here without difficulty due to my status. I do not speak for the other members, which is why I have provided estimates of possible responses and not guarantees.
With all due respect to your fine group, I will now retire and not further engage in this conversation. I have possibly done too much in telling you my personal wish for disclosure. I do not wish to influence your decisions beyond providing a few honest answers to a small number of your questions. You must make decisions on your own in this issue.
The members feel that you have been provided with sufficient information to make a decision on whether or not you would want further inquiry. If you do, you have the power to take personal responsibility and act. If not, that is your choice.
It is enough for me to say that Mr. Deppeller, in the opinion of many, stepped upon a vital possibility. If you choose to act, please announce the particulars so that we may as well. Until then my communication will cease. God bless each of you. Peace
Six days later Lord Hill-Norton was found dead at 89; no explanation as to the cause of death has ever been offered, it being presumed the public would attribute it to old age.
At the end of the month, Dan Burisch supposedly "retired", permanently, from Majestic 12, and was told that any further communication from him to the public might adversely screw up the "timelines". By the time he learned that this "butterfly effect" was a lie, our immigration case had already received its initial ruling.
It would take almost 8 more months before I began receiving information from and corresponding with various 'insiders' again, including 'Blackbird' and various alleged members of the CotM. During that time other 'insiders', which may or may not have been Dan Burisch or Marcia McDowell themselves, continued to post 'teasers' on the GT, and the court case proceeded apace, leading to the famous Request To Admit, its Response, and the parallel Affidavit, all in April of 2005. During the immigration case, the files produced for the Federal Court of Canada also came to include affidavits from various members of the GT. Other readers and posters have written to various legislatures and media outlets since that time, and true to form, there has been no reaction from these mainstream institutions.
In May of 2006, Dan Burisch was finally "allowed" to take his place (behind Marcia McDowell) near the helm of Eagles Disobey, and ordered to separate from those of us on the GT who had long championed his cause but were questioning the inconsistencies.
Psy-ops were put in place to characterize some of us as having "negative agendas", when all along it had been made plain to me that Dan Burisch while being truthful in his first-hand accounts had been long groomed to be a distraction, even as his story was as close to an official 'Disclosure' as the Powers That Be would allow. The GT (Golden Thread), while beginning its life as an attempt to validate (or expose) the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, has become less about Dan Burisch than about a fulsome and truthful Disclosure that will finally admit to the full range of interaction between the human authorities and extraterrestrials, not just the deceptive account that Dan Burisch and Majestic 12 have provided.
We will carry on in that endeavor, arguing passionately on occasion, agreeing when possible, until Disclosure has become a reality for the world, not just the couple of thousand that are currently aware of the true state of affairs.
Address to send locations where the elite intend to hide:
Dondep (new DC address coming soon)
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