Locations theories

Okay, here it is. I warn you it's LOOOONGGGG. New stuff is added at the bottom of the page as it comes.

Get a map of western Europe, and turn it upside-down, so that North is South and South is North. Have a look at the UK, the way it's shaped - dead ringer for the Land. If you run up the western coastline of the UK - the eastern to you, ignore the English channel, and run around to Spain, you have Sador. Iceland or the Faroe Islands - Norseland - where the Vikings are from. Another Possibility is that Norseland is Norway - makes far more sense, and would fit if you took the opening of the Great Glen as south of the Obernewtyn map - Norway is the first mass of land below it.
Explaining Ireland: There are a couple of theories - Ireland's Gaelic name is Eire - pronounced Aye-ree, which is exactly how the Ken-Agyllian Eyrie is pronounced. More about Ireland in the scenarios explained below.

Go here for the full map of Upside-down western Europe - and here for one of the Land from The Keeping Place

Scenarios of what may have happened to the UK. Scenarios are explained in full below

Scenario 1 of land shift: Blue arrows: Ireland moves east and smashes into England - result of plate tectonics possibly through the shock mechanism of the Great White creating the Gelfort Range. You'll see that the Gelfort range and the shape of Ireland correlate. If Ireland created the Gelfort Range, then the whole of England would have had to move NW, and smash into France, to create the eyrie.

Scenario 2 of land shift: Orange arrows: The Great White causes a massive land shift, and Ireland is pushed around to form the Eyrie, creating the massive mountains of the Eyrie - as plate tectonics does. The English Channel is no more - from a drop in sea level.

Ok, if the Lowlands are actually highland Scotland, then there would have had to been another occurrence - either a shift in the north pole, or of course, the Great White altering the weather - because the Highlands of Obernewtyn are clearly colder than the Lowlands.

The Highlands could have been affected by plate tectonics if Ireland slammed into the main land mass. I also think that there would have had to have been a drop in sea level, for all the little islands of Scotland to join up. How the Lowlands leveled out...well, did they? How hilly are the Lowlands? Erosion could be one way...stress caused by the Great White another.

Now for the REAL correlation work: the main one is Obernewtyn itself. Obernewtyn is a German name, but it was named by a person - Jakob Obernewtyn. That he was German would explain why the Teknoguild found the plasts in the Reichler Clinic coded in German - Hannah Seraphim was most likely German herself with a name like that! Obernewtyn translated from German is Ober = 'over' and Newtyn = 'new town'. At first I thought that new town must have been somewhere built after the Great White BUT go to your map!! There is a place, in Mid-Wales, in the BLACK MOUNTAINS called 'Newtown'. Can you believe that??? I've found piccies of Newtown on the net and it looks beautiful - just how I'd expect Obernewtyn to look.

More Welsh information
Info about the places and the people (^_^)
It's interesting to see how much is similar!

Pictures from Newtown, Mid-Wales

More correlation: Arandelft in the Eastern Lowlands, and Arran in Scotland are clearly the same place - even though Arran is an island, the drop in sea level would have evened the land out. Glenelg Mor and the Great Glen correlate - sort of. The Great Glen is the main river at the bottom of the realtime map - 'connecting' to Loch Ness. It branches two ways. The Suggredoon fits perfectly here. Anyway, I think that Glenelg Mor is Loch Ness.

Here is the Obernewtyn/Newtown and Arran/Arandelft correlation.
So my scale is a little off. I sort of smushed the UK anyway. One day I'll get a real map...

Sador explained: Sador fits perfectly on Cape Ortegal, Spain. Spain is hot and desert - like, but there are also the Cantabrian mountains around that edge - the cliffs. It's a three day maximum sail to Sador from the Land - so it has to be a fair distance away - but not too far. Spain is the only place I can see it being and correlating with the map of the Land still.

Herder Isle is a BIG problem. The only place I can see it being is Denmark or Norway. It's just not where it should be. With the plate tectonics after the Great White though, it is possible that Herder Isle was created. If not - again it is an error in Herder mapping techniques, and Herder Isle is really farther than it appears on maps. I mean, who has really been to it, other than the Herders? Those who create the maps create what people know - and have not seen. I mean if I am right, they have put North as South in our times - but for them, it is correct, since it is all they know. Herder Isle could really be attached to the main land mass of former Europe and they don't know it…ok I know I'm stretching it here…

The Blacklands are clearly then the effects of a Nuclear Bomb dropped on London. It blasted out, and was stopped by the Cambrian and Black Mountains of Wales, and the Scottish Highlands - the Gelfort Range, or part of (depending on what happened to Ireland).

One of my favourite correlation's that I made is about the hidden library, though this one may be more wishful thinking than anything else (^_^). I think that they are of the Aberdeen University's library, and Aborium is taken from the name Aberdeen. It correlates, and Aberdeen is renowned as a university city. Where else would you find a great huge library, but in the university?
Ben Nevis (1343) could easily be Emeralfel or Tor.

The scale HAS to be wrong. You can't have Obernewtyn and Sador at the same latitude - climate patterns are too different. Sure, Obernewtyn is a higher altitude, therefore colder, but it still doesn't make sense. The Herders obviously know very little about the Eastern coast of the Land, especially up around Sador. It is feasible that the Sadorians can travel to Obernewtyn on foot, too. The English Channel has often for periods of time in history been dry, and if there was a drop in sea level, it would be the first thing to close up. The map makers - I'm presuming the Herders - could have made the Lowlands bigger than the Highlands - because they consider themselves more important, and using this biased method, they could have made the gap between Obernewtyn and Sador less than it is, since it's so 'unimportant'.

Obernewtyn and Sador at the same latitude?
Altitude can't compensate that much surely for the difference in climate.

So in summing up, all that has to happen is a drop in sea level, a few thousand years for plate tectonics to occur (or a Nuclear Holocaust to speed it up), and a bit of imagination (^_^) and there is the Land that we know and love. Obernewtyn is definitely in Wales though, and so is most of the Highlands. I mean, in Wales we have Newtown, Radnor (how close to Darthnor is that?) and the Black Mountains (Ariel refers to the Western Mountains as the Black Mountains in Obernewtyn to Elspeth - telling her she is as close as she will ever be to them). Plus, Daffyd, Brydda, Katlyn, Gryffd, Ceirwan - all Welsh names, and they're Highlanders. The Highlands of Scotland have become the Lowlands - and Wales, the Highlands of the Land.

Backing up the theories - July 22nd 2001:
This extra bit of information, it crept up on me. Most people know I am in the UK at the moment, more specifically, Scotland. Today I took a cruise around Loch Ness and the adjoining Lochs/canals/rivers, and on the ferry, I read some of the information about the area. It seems that the (previously referred to) Great Glen of Scotland in Gaelic is called Glen Mhor. This is so close to Glenelg Mor it can't be ignored.
This is the closest match yet, so one end or the other has to be Sutrium - either Inverness (highly likely, the capital of Scotland's Highlands) or Fort William (the surrounding geography's all wrong, but it has to be a possibility).
Just an extra bit of information to chew on.

Extension: Would you have survived the Great White?
Where else could have survived the Great White?
Would you have been safe?
This is based on the Nuclear radius of the
Weaponmachine that took out London, so it is based
on that the theory above is correct :P

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