By grace you are saved never by faith, by grace. And you read it how often?(voices in response) You were in fact, as Gayle pointed out, kept in restraint
Part 3 of the Grace Meeting
That is , violence has been done to faith and spirit too! And then....the actual wrong came
in which is relying on faith.....to the point(sighing) I was right...you are saved by faith, by
the way that’s in the summary....it’s both. Twice, we are saved by faith, don’t you people
ever check your bible?(yes)
I wonder if you have more appreciation of the working of God’s grace among us
now?(yes) Grace enough to overcome this sin. Where sin abounds , grace abounds all the
more. Shall we therefore sin...God knows that I did it in ignorance...I didn’t plan this...I
assume that you all know that(yes)
What about another explanation.....as he said.. without such a foundation..means that
there is no framework, there is no sight of the framework....everything is sort of
disconnected in a strange feeling kinda way, and every week it is a new direction and
teaching and it isn’t connected to the foundation, the basis which is grace....which is the
way it must be.....minus grace ..all the good things are floating. And how do you ever tie
them together? Well you couldn’t but I quote could. In some sort of a running on
automatic pilot....do you start to get a picture?(yes) There’s no confidence
therefore...confidence is a Big word....big....or..as it is written...”how come they never
marry.?”.....for that one alone I repent...for that one alone....Because you have to be like
Stewart first(yeah)....and the amazing marriage that He has given me...which is near
per...not me.....I’m far from perfect..in fact, Gayle is close to perfect...did you ever hear..I
heard some of you people say “ She’s not , she’s like not human.”(yes laughing) that
marriage itself is nothing but the grace of God. Nothing but. In fact she looked up and
found, “ He who finds a wife”, it’s very close, by the way, grace , what is grace? we’ll
have to get into that(undeserved ..undeserved mercy) hold it hold it hold it, that is the
stupidest thing there is, I say , with my fervent spirit, undeserved mercy...that is stupid to
talk like that, because mercy is never mercy if it is deserved....so you’re saying mercy is
mercy when you’re saying Mercy is undeserved mercy.....fix your brain..in order for to be
mercy otherwise grace would no longer be grace...in order to be mercy it can’t be
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or it isn’t mercy...What is this stupid undeserved mercy...and
that is what
people say!!(yeah yeah)Listen Listen..it doesn’t even make sense...just in words.....Oh
maybe you do deserve some other kind of mercy..do you?(nooo)well..what is this? now think
about it....You know I haven’t lost my confidence..my confidence is in Jesus...now where
it should have been all along but it wasn’t ....and therefore I confidently will say that...what
is this undeserved mercy? Get your head screwed on! Noo?! (yes) Now think about it...
Mercy is mercy is all yer sayin.....you don’t get it?(yeyyss..noo)If eh rather eh Grace is
mercy..yer saying Grace is mercy yer saying Grace equals mercy and it doesn’t....They are
two different things....Grace is something...and it is certainly undeserved as all mercy is..or
it wouldn’t be mercy....now anyway..anyway...um..anyway...what was I saying before
about that...oh yeah “he who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor, now grace
is close to favor...close...it’s not...but that's approach..that’s one of the words that are
around grace...that you’ve found favor...that He has extended his grace ..although the
grace of God and the grace of Jesus Christ too,by the way, two different things....we gotta
get into this...see somehow I got saved....And I still think I got saved...I still think I got
saved. did I get saved two weeks ago? Well I think I have to say I got saved 25 years
ago...I think... but that’s another matter...I got saved or whatever....and right away...right
away...ahh....again you know, ..there’s another thing. I bought a bill of goods in a way
....because what does everybody do...you get saved....and then you go to
church...and that’s about it....anyway..ahh..something like that..I got saved and I lost
interest in ..that's ..I don’t remember doing it , I’m saying...I must have something like lost
interest in salvation...it was no longer interesting...now well it’s over..I mean ah...and I
must have been acting something like that...perhaps having bought that picked that
up..who knows..anyway...that’s something...in that area...well all right it’s no longer
interesting....so now I’ll get in the Old Testament now I’ll start interpreting...and that’s
what happened...it was a process..iin the process since....and uh got into interpreting this
and interpreting that and and Matthew 24....meanwhile the most important teaching of all,
salvation, and the most important part of the most important teaching was nowhere. An
nobody noticed. Now, in a nutshell, that’s a process sense...dya
follow?(yes) that’s partly what happened....Yes..eh..Gayle thought studying Matthew 24
would do that...over the years ..how many secretly dreaded it because fear “I could
loose my salvation, with such an extreme testing , will I make it? (yeah yeashyes)”.....it's up to me(voices in response)
and you know it’s the brothers ...again...that may ..that particular one maybe even worse
with the sisters...perhaps...there feeling reaction to it might be worse...but ya know it’s
still the brothers...If ..if our life is based on works...that faith becomes works
somehow...that’s just it ..That's more telling on the brothers...and it’s the brothers therefore
that um...that’s why I have been speaking of the brothers being set free...think it’s true?
(yes)...Without grace you’re on a crossing your fingers basis. I asked a while ago
“Are you trying to talk Jesus into saving you?” Remember..(yes) trying to convince him
into saving you. (yes) my goodness...
Ya know the whole while, I never tried to take Jesus' place.. in no way and would always
speaking against it...and yet that’s what the devil arranged...now think about it...something
like that in effect....Without grace the chain of how everything connects to Jesus is broken.
So all becomes mysterious..grace is meant to be the the uh framework, format....I’m saying
"salvation is a gift while under the counter you have to earn it by faith." Why don’t the
brothers marry, because they have no confidence. Why don’t they have confidence,
because of their impossible task....what do you think of that brothers?...(yes yeah makes a
lot of sense)...
Brother 4: Many of the ones that are married, their marriages aren't very good because of the
STEWART: Faith has become almost an end in itself ...how’s that?(yeas) one
of the translations calls it
the instrument...the tool....by the way I wonder ..Gayle? y'know there are of course a lot of salvation
tracts floating around ..you pick em up right?(yes) Are they all the very same thing?(pretty much)
that It’s faith, faith, faith, that it’s never grace? (nooo, it’s grace yeah grace) huh? There is grace?
(yeah yes yeah)....well I picked one up..I saw one yesterday, it was zero grace....or a few days ago
.there certainly must be grace....
Brother 5: isn’t even the King James text...doesn't it say something the word it, don’t they say...
“it is through grace you are saved by faith?
Stewart: Yeah..same thing..that’s Revised...same thing...
(noo no, it’s by grace ..)
Stewart: say again...say again..I can’t hear ya
Brother 5:: I thought the kings James Version as I have seen it on those tracts.said. “By Grace
you have been saved through faith..the KJV
(wait..wait...you changed it ...you said it differently the first time Adrian)
Stewart : It says "by" ..I’ll bet ya..it says "by grace through faith.."(right) Faith is the lesser and
Grace is the greater, doesn’t matter what translation...(yeah) that’ll come out...Grace is
the basis... ..all the faith in the world...and if He doesn’t extend His grace....Now ..that’s
jumping the gun... without grace as the basis...Be zealous to confirm your call and election
becomes trying to convince Jesus to save you(yes)... because the fact that nobody is
picking up on grace.. and you haven’t been...You haven’t been picking up on it... the fact that
nobody’s been picking up on it...as much as I have already gone into it...shows how
deeply everyone is into “Faith, it’s up to me”ecetera...instilled in...
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think a that...
There is no receiving His grace with thanksgiving.... which is almost the basis of Christian
life....Christian Life..that’s right...where’s Orange...now..no grace...Does the word grace
appear anywhere...just the word...let alone ...I’ll bet it doesn’t....Things we looked at...it
We got a long way to go, people ..are you getting restless?(noooo)
is a lot of running out..(yes...maybe take a 10 minute break....) It’s 5:00 now....We can
either keep going or take a break or break for supper(brwaksupp 10min, go for a while why don't we take a vote, go till supper? )
)Well...well...we could take a vote...remembering that for freedom(everyone together)
Part 4 of the Grace Meeting Christ has set us free(thank you Jesus) what’s the rest though..(everyone) Stand fast
therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.) To a Yoke of..? (slavery) To a yoke
of salvation by faith "quote" "works".... Are the brothers starting to realize how Jesus is starting
to set all of US! free?(yeees) how many are only starting to?(just a little) how many think they half
understand it pretty much?...well... That's that’s getting there...Now let’s vote...on the break or
keep going....keep going such as...I mean I don’t want to dwell on me..but aah...up to a
point it’s important...the way I have operated...my spirit.....what God is doing with
me...how He’s been leading me...and then finally ...the right view and balance that’s a big
one..what is the right ..what is right then?... well starting that... and about grace... and
other smaller things...or should we take a break?....(take a break) or should we take supper?
( supper)... now what is God’s will?(supper, I think it's God's will to keep going,)(Why don’t we take a vote?)
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Stewart: Now, you must understand, I'm not a fraud. I'm not a phony. I'm not a Jim Jones as they say. I'm not a false teacher. What I am is a poor one. I said I was glad, glad, that it's this bad. Job said, "Make me know how I have erred." He said, "If only God would write the indictment, I'd be proud of it."Well, I didn't, He didn't have to write the indictment, I did. Furthermore,........................by the way, I was reading a while ago that bad memory that I'm extremely having..I was reading that this is due to stress and what was the other one? stress and something like that. Job said, "Make me know how I have erred." Also, "Those who err in spirit will come to understanding. We'll have to get into, somehow it's my spirit, somehow I erred in spirit. before erring in words. But um, oh yes, I'm glad, I'm glad that it's that bad, trying to put in why, because it is written proof to my sanity that indeed I did it in ignorance. That is, I can see, had I had I tried to deceive, I wonder if I could have done it as well. I tried to remove grace this well, leave no traces, tried to make some weird thing, which I , even I can't say I did, when I see how well it is done. that uh..that's the reason that I have received mercy. right there. It is that I did it in ignorance. colossal eh colossal thing that is that "sin abounds, grace abounds all the more. The subject to which I was oblivious for 25 years while getting more of it all the time. This subject, my error, was the subject of grace. We'll get into that later. The Language....but uh shows all the more that it's by His grace that He shows me, no one else did. Only He could have, I couldn't, I didn't. The fact that He showed me and at this point in time. You say breaking down, you don't know how badly I was breaking down. At this point in time when He's clearly uh rescuing us all, He rescued me. I mean rescued. I wonder if "petering" I wonder. I was petering out. I wonder if that word actually means, actually comes from Peter's problem which is my problem. partly.
All these things these ills from the brothers at least are made worse by me everyone of them.
Brother: All of them?
Stewart: All these things, I think everything. Maybe everything. But certainly a lot and at least I've been making it worse. Well, His grace toward me. The fact that I, that I can exist... you know, you may not have thought of it yet, He could have rescued, He could have wiped me out and rescued the church very easily. He could've anyone. I was oblivious. I don't know how it could happen. But in fact, you knew it, I was oblivious to grace. It's one of the two. I was oblivious to grace or have totally being, total deceiver the whole while. It's one of the two. When you read, do you understand, that we looked in this book and cannot find the word grace, except in the middle of of Faith in your Salvation, quotes the verse, "For by grace are you saved" and that makes it worse yet and and totally oblivious to it everywhere else......what?
Andrew: and then it's all us got to have got to have faith
Stewart: Faith has become, so-called faith has become everything. Therefore, it's on me. We'll get into, "I could take it, the brothers couldn't" I could take it for longer. that's all.
Brother: well I tell ya I seen grace at work in my life and in a lot of us when I rededicated, I knew it was nothing I did and with a lot of brothers who returned I could see it was a big example of God's grace, Him doing that, I think specifically to show His grace that He has on us. I think about that a lot. ( voices in agreement)
Stewart: I have not been acknowledging His grace. Not in my, not in my own life. Not making it known. Still can't believe that I did it. I have to of course. While we're on the subject. When did I ever speak on the subject of my sinfulness? (murmurs of " I would say never, never really")
Brother: I remember you telling us once that if we lived inside your body for a minute we would go crazy.
Stewart: Did I? (yeah, yes)
Brother: I remember you saying a few times that "I was the worst one among you."
Stewart: Yeah, I said it a thousand times. I'm no better. But nobody believed it. (right right, that you had so much faith) "Because I have so much faith, because I can take it. heh. uh... I said a thousand times I'm no better. But somehow my spirit is selling that I'm sinless.(yeah, yeah true) therefore the brothers must be sinless like Stewart and everything will be alright. (right, right) and many such things, many such proofs. I have a boxful now. Along with a last little pack at the end, "Maybe it wouldn't have mattered anyway." That is a, a ah..is it perverse or is it something else? It's now that it really matters. The older brothers. How much difference would it have made. That's a good question. Try try anyway with your next 18 year old. one would think it doesn't matter what you say. However, be that as it may, it's with the older brothers that uh, it becomes extreme.
Stewart: When did you hear me say much at all on the subject of repentance?( voices mixed)
Brother: It always seemed up to us. We had to do it. Grace wasn't talked about in repentance.( voices, "I might be mistaken but I think quite a bit,"perhaps he's talking about repentance
Stewart: I think I've repented more in the last 2 weeks and then 2 months and then a hundred times more than eh than everythi everything else put together until I wondered what has been going on. y'know I, I am given to dramatic exaggerations to make a point. I'm not exaggerating. I am not exaggerating. We as a church to this moment, and that's another one, when, where, and how did we become a church, if we ever did, when where and how does any church become a church if and when it does? And for that matter, Where, when, and how if there is a where, when, and how is someone born again or are they saved? A lot of this is ah...We have to redo everything...from the bottom up. And that is no exaggeration. Grace is much more important than faith. And that was completely turned around. And more than that. We as a church to this moment have no appreciation of grace.
Look at this. I practically said what it was and what you heard the last 2 months and you still didn't go to, grace is the problem.(coughing) Haven't you looked in these books lately and noticed there's no grace?(yeah, no no) with all the grace talk (sounded so good) What sounded so good?(you know something something that's) How many did, by the way, and didn't say it? How many of you thought, the problem is grace? There is no grace. y'didn't say it.
Brother: I thought I thought I thought it was, grace was different because there's been more emphasis. (he already said that)
Denny: The way I was looking at it was, I was looking at it, I was looking at more from the place of I thought you were getting more of an appreciation for grace but it never dawned on me that we
Stewart: more of an appreciation (That's what I thought)( I never really thought that) Listen, Listen, Gayle's only language is a while ago God woke me up. It was that bad. He woke me up. And rescued me. And he has in fact, (sigh) and uh, that's hope (that you can see) Grace is the foundation. Jesus Christ himself is the foundation but the next thing on is grace. So he is the foundation on Jesus. Grace is the founda, building on Jesus, grace immediately. And this teaching is a house built on sand. Not the church, the hou, the teaching is built on sand. And the teaching has come to nothing. It is based on error and contains error, contains appalling errors. Flat statements contrary to the gospel, flat contrary. I can be bitter toward all my friends as Job of course. But, having his lesson, I haven't been impatient. You know it's been hard for me to say anything to you people for 10 days, knowing all this, not wanting to start things wrongly. And 2 months previously and longer that God was waking me up. I sat here at the last meeting at the end noticing that I was unable to put together grace, election, sanctification, unable to speak of these things. The great teacher unable.
Very hard for me to to uh believe it. Gayle found this verse in scripture, won't tell you where, look it up later. It's about Apollos, who went around with Paul. Apollos was was teaching about Jesus, quite accurately and with a fervent spirit but he was in error. Pricilla , Aquila took him aside and they told him the real story and then those who had received grace heard him gladly. (murmur of assent wow...) Indicating that, indicating that it may have been the very same thing. Those who had received grace heard him gladly. Now do you remember that verse? (yeah) Don't bother now, in fact, FORGET YOUR BIBLES, pay attention. I'm the lesson today, not the Bible. I myself am the lesson. So learn a lesson. His fervent spirit, his fervent spirit was and some accuracy yes and he was well versed in the scriptures. I used to be maybe. And he went with his fervent spirit in the synagogue, in the synagogue he went around insisting on Jesus but apparently uh devoid of grace. Apparently oblivious, indicating maybe that was the problem. Certainly oblivious to something. And then those who had received grace afterwards heard him gladly. And later he was as follows
For 25 years? Was it? By the way. To your shame, well, they didn't really. I walked in here and I actually said..and nobody threw up. I actually said, "Can't you rely on your faith?" That's worse than saved by faith. Now you're even relying on it, it's everything. You rely on your faith. How many of you said, you didn't , you didn't say it, but you thought "that is wrong!" Let's hear it! How many said, that is wrong, Let's Hear It! Up or Down! What did you say Bob?
Bob: I thought it was wrong cuz we just had a lesson on relying on Jesus. but
Stewart: What is, what is the use of all these lessons? These lessons are accomplishing nothing. It's my fervent spirit that's doing everything. You're not listening to the lessons even as far as they do go. You do what I do. I say "don't smoke" but I smoke so what do you do?(smoke). It's nothing but God's grace that which I was oblivious which has brought us thus far, nothing but. It's all the more clear. Even with that error of that magnitude, so that the deepest possible error. I can't believe that no other Christians, I can't believe that no other Christians, an error of that magnitude, could not be spotted. I can't believe it. But there it is. Where is grace? Faith in His promise. Where is grace? Yes, the concept is good. And in fact all the better, 12 ways to practice, that's all the better, that word. Because that's what this is practicing. Now the real use of faith..that
Stewart: That's something else. These are indeed, 12 ways to practice where they, where they properly...speaking of grace and the other matters. But the real use of grace, and the real use of faith rather is in believing and in walking by faith that we are God's chosen and elect and that His grace is given to us. We have to get into this and thereby..grace is first, faith is second. We are saved by grace not by faith. We're saved through faith. Faith is necessary. But faith is the basis. Now of course it's ruined. I wonder. I might as well say it (I'll just go ahead) If you took this book to all the, to the uh bible schools, would they say this is good? I, I, I'm appalled to say I think they would. I think they would buy it. It is written with a fervent spirit and is saying good and right things. The word "subtle"...this is nothing but the work of the devil. Period, nothing but. It is so subtle, so beautiful and perfect. Wish I coulda done that well. Wish I was that good. I'm not. Therefore, who has saved us all these years? (Jesus! by grace, by His grace)
Stewart: And you have this feeling Stewart is saving us. That's what you have, your feeling( voices of accent) somehow. One of the last.....I was handing out these comments about the, this meeting, y'know I hand 'em out, one a day. The last one, I didn't hand out was, "I wish the the uh Christian movie Hollywood cameras could be here for this meeting." to uh make a movie of this meeting. ya think?(yeah)The rest of it was, the rest of the saying was "I've worked very hard for this meeting and I deserve it" (right) and that was going to be the card. Well I have worked very hard. I grew weary with hard doing. Even I grew weary. Sin began showing up in my behavior. Poor Gayle, had to bear the brunt of it. And toward all of you. How was I behaving toward you?
Brother: A cruel father like
Stewart: Let's hear it. A year, 6months, two years? 5 years? Can't figure it out huh?(no) There's a lot of good practical things in here, they helped you a lot if only the basis were there. In fact, If only the false basis weren't there and the right one was. If somebody were trying to avoid grace but still trying to make something look accurate, I wonder how much better they coulda done? Maximum accuracy minus grace. If you're gonna try that, I wonder how you could do much better? If that were the goal, I don't think I could have done that well. There is an amazing space where amazing grace should have been. (yeah, some laughter). There really is. And we used to sing that(yeah)back in 137. I am appalled at the whole thing.
Stewart: of this you have heard before and the word of truth, the gospel which has come to you as indeed in the whole world, it is bearing fruit and growing so among yourselves. From the day you heard and understood the grace of God in truth. Understood?! I never, I never knew it. Literally. I was totally oblivious. Totally oblivious. I know I did it in ignorance. Can you believe that?(mixed voices) find hard to believe it is,(ST voice louder) the amazing thing, God has done amazing things through me for you! many many many, every one of them was only His grace! It wasn't me at all. In fact, it was in spite of me. Now think of that for (unclear). You couldn't do much better on a Grace Hollywood movie. And is there someone more sincere than me? Maybe, maybe not.
Now, what in me could ever, Is it something in me, I, I assume. Why did God allow that? Is it dawning on you that I have been oblivious, grace doesn't exist, doesn't exist. You never heard me speak it did you?( no, no , not until recently)
Cut 3 contines here for 1 minute and 10 seconds more. This is also the beginning of the 1st recording I received of the Grace Meeting. I will now insert the text of the first transcription here and track this new recording with the old and make sure the words are precise
HERE we leave the 1st transcript and recording and continue with GRACE MEETING CUT 6 at 3 minutes 50 sec.
Brother: beginning to
Stewart: different heh.(laughter)
Brother: Seems a lot more fair to me that really is Grace is the basis and I haven't been living according to that.
Stewart: Let's hear it(it's gonna take time) a week at the most (laughter)However(laughter)However, what's needed is starting all over again(yes)God has consigned all of us, that he might have mercy on all and error. We're gonna pray together, Lord willing. Now how are we gonna pray together?(mixed voices, the words by his grace and mercy and salvation are heard) You know it's almost against the uh scripture almost, that all that you do, do in thankfulness for the grace that you've received. You realize that? All that you do, do in thankfulness for the grace that you have received. Not hoping to earn something. Are we ready to pray together?(yes)Tape turned off then on))))
Stewart: Thank you Jesus(thank you Jesus)So how's your shock value people?(mixed voices..."it's getting less")On the other hand some of you were well on your way, 25 years of no grace. No appreciation of grace. you know it's been 10 days now that I've realized that, 10 days and I am shocked as ever, still total shock. I don't see how I could have done that. I keep saying that, I don't know how I could have done it but I did it. How very very hard to believe, but there you have it. Now uh, however why don't we get into instead of uh...What we need to do is redo everything uh..redo our lives as individuals and as a fellowship so that everything is firmly based on grace.(thank you Jesus)Now face it. It hasn't been. That is God's grace has been working for us but eh our lives and and uh fellowship has not been based on grace at all. So, how do we do it, easier said than done.(yes)Any suggestions?
You know something we gotta start? Bible studies such as we had 20 years ago, now what was it like Gayle?
Gayle: Where would all fellowship together in trying to understand God's will and not be assuming Stewart knows everything and just sitting there waiting for him to show us.(murmur of assent "right, I agree").
Stewart: Now how do you like that.. Bob Whipple was there Neil was there.. There was not the assumption that Stewart knows everything.
Bob: right we had We would all get together at 137,and Jesus would show us things and we'd be all get in there, Jesus would be showing brother Stewart things...
Stewart: Harold? Where's Harold? Is he here?
Stewart: See Harold was there.(yep) We used to have bible studies and that one little house was all we had(yep)and,
Bob: we were all involved, it wasn't always Brother Stewart we were all given our opinions, what we thought it meant and everything, and y'know Jesus was using all of us together.
Stewart: I was starting from scratch at that time and that's what I'm doing now. How do you like that?(wow, thank you Jesus)what was I saying just humanly, just humanly alone, try that, and you're 53 and you say "well yes, the last 25 years, come to think of it, I was all wrong, okay, I'll start all over again. Just try that. At 53, just in anything human. However that's the state, and it's not human, infinite way way eternal and yet that's what's needed. I and everyone must start over and in fact a bunch a backsliders all the more(yeah)therefore, therefore, and another thing maybe it wouldn't have mattered actually we running out of these books anyway so it's(laughter)
Stewart: Everybody asks, "How's your relationship with Jesus?" You ask that all the time, right, to each other? (yeah) And you immediately follow it with, "Is it based on his grace?" Right? (no, no then pledges to change that) Is relationship with God based on His grace?(hesitating...yess)How do you know..heheh at this point. well alright by faith...however that's what you gotta ask. And that's what you gotta be looking for, actually more,