"Jeff C. Benninger" wrote:

 From: "Jeff  C. Benninger" <jeffBenninger@compuserve.com>

 Carol,

 Jeff Benninger here In my opinion that some are still there is just plain
 hiding many of the brothers that have been there around 20 years owe
 thousands in back taxes to the IRS and they have no where to go since the
 IRS will garnish their wages and then how will they live, and at fifty
 years old it is not easy to start life over again, and so they just stay in
 there and hide from real life . And what are a bunch of older women going
 to do when and if they go out into the real world , They invested twenty or
 so years of their security in that place and don;t want to knowe anything
 else.

> Jeff Benninger.
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From: John P King <jpkinghome@juno.com>

Dear Jeff:

Ellen King here.  I imagine some of what you say regarding the fears of
the ob/os group still there are true and have some credence, but I find
your general consensus a bit too simplistic.  I knew some of them rather
well and surely you must have to - at least enough to know that these are
really people and not just the terrified machines they act like that we
are talking about.  As an older woman myself, I can tell you that many
things can make me afraid, but striking out fresh isn't one of them. If I
can hear from God, I can change my direction. I honestly think the
problem is in the hearing and the vision, Jeff.  They believe and so they
are -just like we did. Perhaps it's a combination of things that keep
them there.  Quite a recipe that - a confused and overwrought mind with
one cup of financial difficulties and a few liters of simple bondage
mixed well with an anti-Christ spirit baked in a pie of communal living
with a few "independents" to give it a little flavor.  Not too
appetizing, but definitely a complicated mixture.  Just thought I'd put
my 2 cents in here.  And if I were you, I'd watch that older woman stuff.
I'm not in the fellowship anymore and I'm OLD and getting older. <smile>
Have a nice day.  love, Ellen

PS  Do you know - you're one of the brothers I can remember!  You must
have been special or something because I can't put faces and names
together on a lot.  Aren't you the brother who said he was happy at home
with his kids and his wife recently?  If that was you, I liked that.  May
Jesus bless you guys. -e
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From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>

I never got a pay check there.
But every year, the W-2's went in
and we got our tax returns (the "overpayment") - and were
even allowed to use them ourselves under
certain circumstances.
Matter of fact, when I left in 1990
I had to write to Barb to get my tax info
and W-2 to do my taxes.
I got it very quickly with no hassle.
I was so impressed, I even sent a thank you letter.
Usually they give those who leave as hard
a time as possible.
But then again, I think legally all companies
have to have sent their W-2's to their employees
by the end of January, so maybe that played
into it......
 

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On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:46:36 -0500 "Jeff  C. Benninger"
<jeffBenninger@compuserve.com> writes:
 

>Carol,
Jeff Benninger here In my opinion that some are still there is just plain hiding many of the brothers that have been there around 20 years owe thousands in back taxes to the IRS and they have no where to go since the IRS will garnish their wages and then how will they live, and at fifty years old it is not easy to start life over again, and so they just stay in there and hide from real life . And what are a bunch of older women going to do when and if they go out into the real world , They invested twenty or so years of their security in that place and don;t want to knowe anything else. Jeff Benninger.
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From: Herman M Weiss <hmweiss@juno.com>
 

  Dear Jeff,
They are too used to cobu life & too
afraid of life outside of it to
leave. In the movie "the shawshank redemption" there was an old man who
was in prison 50 yrs. already. He was given a parole & had to leave
prison. He didn't want to
so he tried to cut the throat of his fellow inmate just so he'd be
convicted of a crime so
he could remain in prison. It didn't work, so rather than facing life
outside of prison he
got so desperate that he committed suicide. He was so conditioned to life
in prison
that he couldn't see being able to live outside it.
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From: "Jeff  C. Benninger" <jeffBenninger@compuserve.com>

Tom,

You were one of the fortunate ones usually after you leacve it was A
TRAUMATIC  experience to get your information. Was for me and others that I
knew.

Jeff Benninger
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From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>

I took your message a few different ways and then I
think I got it.  I do consider myself very fortunate.
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>From: "Jeff  C. Benninger" <jeffBenninger@compuserve.com>

Sorry Tom for not explaining myself very much, but I meant to say that it
usually was such a hassle to get your stuff , I  left in '91 and what a
night mare trying to get any information from them. It took me until
sometime in April to get my stuff. toward those years  we made it hard for
anyone who left, Vinny Dipiaola called the IRS to to let them handle it.
Because he just deal with the nonsense, and the I RS called COBU.  I think
he left the year before me. We becaME very unkind to anyone who didn't
listen our way. However in my opinion I don't think that it will ever get
to the kool aid or mass suicide stage. When I was there, we were buying
large barrels of Gunpowder, and Magnesium in large barrels, enough to blow
up a whole street but I don't think we were about to blow ourself up. AT
the time we had a few warehouses and not everyone knew about all of
them.Didn't have any guns that I knew about . But we could have took out a
whole street, we had about 500,000 "D" size Magnezium batterries, highly
flammable if they ever caught on fire. Would have been a nigtmare chemical
fire. Right in 62 & Cedar pretty residential area.
         I actually made it to 'ST's  top rung for a few weeks because I
was selling his junk military stuff and making a pretty good profit , until
I made one bad deal then I went to the doghouse. Short lived gory glory
days, When you got in the doghouse by ST you were there for a long time
.May be part of the reason I had a such a hard time getting my information?

Jeff Benninger.
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From: "John Apostle" <japostle@angelfire.com>

WWOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAHHH Jeff!

Some of us never made it into the inner circle at all, and on top of that have been out the loop for a long, long time.  GUNPOWDER, MAGNESIUM, STEWART'S MILITARY...???

This is a new one for me, and new to this list, as far as I know.  Can you give a few more details, and the supposed rational behind it?

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