Subject:  [x-cobu] Digest Number 5
Date:  31 Jan 2001 21:32:05 -0000
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Message: 1
  Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:02:30 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Which one do we use?

Hey I did not know we had a choice...Hmmmm Sharpen or Yahoo....Hmmmmm

This could take some time--

Hey, could you get back to me on this next week?
I would really appreciate it--yeah oh kay---Sharpen or........

CK
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Message: 2
  Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 16:04:15 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: In Dextor's Laboratory



Hey Dee Dee!!!

OOOOOOHHHHHH what does this button do?

chika chika.
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Message: 3
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:11:19 -0000
  From: Yacov Prasch <jacob@moriel.org>
Subject: RE: Fw: [sharpen] Care for new members...

Thank You,

I was actually saved in The Children of God but later joined what was then
'Forever Family' which became COBU and I left about a year later.

In His Love & Service,

james Jacob Prasch
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Message: 4
  Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:11:22 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: [sharpen] Care for new members...

Brother Jacob,
I checked out your website. And found myself in much agreement with most of
your statement of faith. I'm not sure yet about timing matters of when Jesus
is going to return-not referring in any way to the exact time, of course. I
also have come to believe that the gift of tongues has ceased. However, I
find no problem if you hold that they haven't ceased. These two items are
minor. I find we agree on the major points you listed.
When did we know each other?
Yes I live south of Rochester, NY. About 60 miles south, just off of RTE
17/I86.
Write me back and I will reply.
Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Message: 5
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:16:45 -0500
  From: "Raynard Merritt" <AFA1LQ@HOME.COM>
Subject: Re: Fw: [sharpen] Care for new members...

Wow the CoG huh, they were what we talked about back in those days as being
the sickos. Were you in Pittsburgh at that time?

brother ray
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Message: 6
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 06:42:22 -0500
  From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>
Subject: Re: Fw: [sharpen] Care for ...

> Wow the CoG huh, they were what we talked about back in those days as being
> the sickos. Were you in Pittsburgh at that time?
>
> brother ray


      Taking that in stride - related to that -
when someone says they were/are a JW, a Moonie, etc. -
we want to get and know them as people, and all the rest of it -
     but that initial reaction you feel as you wince -
that's what goes on inside them when you say you're from Cobu.
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Message: 7
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:02:31 -0800 (PST)
  From: Mike Montoya <mikemontoya2@excite.com>
Subject: OKAY

Tom and Ray are using this list. So now everyone is using this list. So
let's stay with x-cobu@yahoogroups.com   okay...i will leave sharpen open
just in case.
mm
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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 05:53:22 MST [Show full headers] 
Subject: [sharpen] Digest Number 560
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Message: 1
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:17:43 -0500
  From: "Walker, Michael S, PERSCOM" <walkerm@hoffman.army.mil>
Subject: RE: care for new members...

Tom,
Yes, I was referring to your emails. I did not know that you had other
"strange" emails coming to your web site. But, try to remember that
newcomers to the list may have been burned pretty badly at COBU, and are
hesitant to jump in. They may vividly remember the humiliation they received
in COBU when the stuck their neck out, and are understandably "testing the
waters" with vague questions. Many are venturing out on the web for the
first time and are not familiar with how this list works. They may not even
know the "right" questions to ask.

Everyone on this list is at a different stage in their Christian life. Some
are thriving and growing, some are just returning to Christ, and some are
still bitter. Some are ready to forgive, but others still struggle in that
area. We have no control over that, but God does. He will bring them around
when He wills.

I believe the best approach to newcomers (Okay, veterans too!) is an
open-arm welcome with no judgments whatsoever. Unconditional acceptance is
something that we never experienced at COBU, and speaks volumes of how far
we have come from that place.
Mike
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Message: 3
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:19:25 -0500
  From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>
Subject: Re: blujane

> Steve, Please don't read more into these than what is there.  I simply
> view and share them because I like the graphics and the
> words...Mormon??  I don't see it.Carol


When I first started reading that site - (when it was heavy on
pointing out that "this" and "that" are sin) - I got a Catholic
flavoring from it.  The beginning part that Steve recopied does,
upon further review, have a Mormon flavor to it.  But I don't
    want to split hairs.
  You suggested reading every word so I
tried to read slow - even though it was sort of another language
and was hard to sink in.  I tried to hear the heart of the one who
  wrote it - and what they were trying to impress upon me.
There was a lot of stuff in there about getting along and it's
always to good to hear some of that.
  I take the Wurbrand approach
that even though they were divisive - once they were behind bars
they welcomed any conversation about God as edifying.
  I could go on about this - but you're spared at this time.
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Message: 4
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:28:27 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: blujane

Sister Carol,
I have enjoyed a lot of the sites you and others have posted. Most have been uplifting, edifying, and mostly biblical. I think I have posted a few myself and I encourage all of us to continue to do so.
Because you emphasized that we read the words of this one carefully, I did. Here in lies the problem. Some of what I found was weird. This message purported to be from Jesus and appeared to be quoting Jesus as saying that God created Jesus and that God created the Holy Spirit.

"When God created the heavens and
the earth, He wanted companionship.
That was when I was created. God
created me a little less than Himself
so that I might understand both the
things of heaven and what was to be
brought forth on your earth. Then
there was the Holy spirit created."

It was signed "I am with you always. Jesus The Christ".

Whether it was a poem, or a prophecy or what ever, it was horrible theology and that deserves to be noted. Not beaten into the ground, but noted. I personally would want that called to my attention. That is what I was attempting to do.
Hope this clarifies it a bit.

Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Message: 5
  Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:57:52 -0000
  From: "Owen D Camp" <dococ@surferz.net>
Subject: Re: re: great sight

What do you think brother Ed or Owen?

From:  Owen
     Dear Steve
    Mormon?  Could be.  Definitely New Age.  And it denies the self-existence of all 3 members of the Trinity.  
   I think Bev (the founder of the site) takes submissions from anyone.  I don't think she claims to be anything specific.  Maybe Carol just meant that the artwork is great.  Or that on balance the site is great.  Usually they have poems, or prose by true believers.  But some days you get flowery New Age stuff.  If the prose isn't right, I ignore it and move on.
to loose thy bonds: be bound to Me. / My yoke shall ease My bonds shall free.
    Owen Camp   Cairo NY    dococ@surferz.net  
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Message: 6
  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:38:46 -0500
  From: "Raynard Merritt" <AFA1LQ@HOME.COM>
Subject: The 23rd Psalm means.......


The 23rd Psalm means.......


The Lord is my Shepherd...
THAT'S RELATIONSHIP!

I shall not want...
THAT'S SUPPLY!

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures...
THAT'S REST!

He leadeth me beside still waters...
THAT'S REFRESHMENT!

He restoreth my soul...
THAT'S HEALING!

He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness...
THAT'S GUIDANCE!

For His name sake...
THAT'S PURPOSE!

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death...
THAT'S CHALLENGE!

I will fear no evil...
THAT'S ASSURANCE!

For thou art with me...
THAT'S FAITHFULNESS!

Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me...
THAT'S SHELTER!

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies...
THAT'S HOPE!

Thou anointest my head with oil...
THAT'S CONSECRATION!

My cup runneth over...
THAT'S ABUNDANCE!

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life...
THAT'S BLESSING!

And I will dwell in the house of the Lord...
THAT'S SECURITY!

Forever...
THAT'S ETERNITY!
-- Author Unknown
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Subject:  [x-cobu] Digest Number 6
Date:  1 Feb 2001 12:33:53 -0000
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Message: 6
  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 04:08:40 -0500
  From: "tledonne" <letochef@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Forgiveness {sometimes its not easy}

.
  I pray that you may choose this day to make a decision to forgive all who have
sinned against you or at the very least that you ask God for help in moving in
that direction.
  Love
  In Christ
  Richard Farretta


  Rich,
  This sounds reasonable, but I think some have a harder time with this because
they were hurt more.  It's more than Stewart being deceived---read some more at
the site and ask yourself if you wouldn't have a tough time forgiving.  But, I
agree, we can pray that God would move us in that direction.
  Lori
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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:25:20 MST [Show full headers]
Subject: [sharpen] Digest Number 561
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Message: 1
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:31:38 -0500
  From: bsp15@juno.com
Subject: Re: humor:  The Noise

I fell for this one again!

"But the eyes of the Lord are on those who fear him, on those whose hope
is in his unfailing love" (Ps. 33:17).
Bob San Pascual
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Message: 3
  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:55:34 -0500
  From: "richard farretta" <rng777@hotmail.com>
Subject: philly articles

Has anyone seen this article on cobu ? some of it is hilarious other parts are very sad.
Check it out at the web site below

http://www.phillymag.com/Archives/1999June/cult_8.html

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me ALL the days of my life. Psalm 23
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Message: 4
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:12:46 -0000
  From: "Owen D Camp" <dococ@surferz.net>
Subject: groaners


From:  Owen
     Dear
   
Handkerchief: Cold storage. (John Nunley)

Why should you never date a tennis player? 'Cause love means
"nothing" to them! (Gr8 Humor)

Why can't two elephants go swimming at the same time?
Because they only have one pair of trunks. (Danny Perry)

What is the most dangerous part of a car?
The nut that holds the steering wheel.

No-fault insurance does not cover earthquakes. (Pun of the Day)

Spray paint sells for a good mark up. (Pun of the Day)

How do you kill a circus troupe? Go for the juggler!
(Daily Groaner)

Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again. (Larry Baum)

What did the mailman say when the lady asked why her mail was soggy?
Postage dew.

What happens when a salesman marries a saleslady?
They become sell mates.

What did maid Marion say to Robin Hood when he asked her if she
would marry him and live in the Forest outside of Nottingham?  
Sherwood!

How do sailors get their clothes clean?
The throw them overboard and let them get washed ashore!

Why did the bacteria cross the microscope?
To get to the other slide.

When is a door not a door?
When it is a jar.

Q: Why did the cookie go to the doctor?
 
A: Because he was feeling a little crummy

Q: Why doesn't Dracula have any friends?  

A: Because he's a pain in the neck!

I am reading the most interesting book about anti-gravity.
I just can't put it down.

What goes tick-tick-tick-tick-woof? A watchdog.

Did you hear about the podiatrist who ran for mayor?  
He was defeated.

What did the farmer get when he turned his field into a junkyard?
A bumper crop!

Q: If April showers bring May flowers then what do May flowers bring?




A: .....Pilgrims.

Several years ago, Andy was sentenced to prison. During his
stay, he got along well with the guards and all his fellow
inmates. The warden knew that, deep down, Andy was a good
person. So, the warden made arrangements for the inmate to
learn a trade while doing his time.

Some three years later, Andy was recognized as one of the
best carpenters in the local area. Often, he would be given
a weekend pass to do odd jobs for citizens of the community.
And he always reported back to prison by early Sunday evening.
Andy was a model inmate.

One day, the warden considered remodeling his kitchen,
though he lacked the skills to build a set of kitchen
cupboards and a large countertop. So he called Andy into his
office and asked him to do the job for him.

To the warden's surprise, Andy simply refused to help.

"But you're an expert, Andy, and I really need your help,"
said the warden.

"Gosh, warden, I'd really like to help you, but counter
fitting is what got me into prison in the first place.


to loose thy bonds: be bound to Me. / My yoke shall ease My bonds shall free.
    Owen Camp   Cairo NY    dococ@surferz.net  
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Message: 5
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:53:09 -0000
  From: "Owen D Camp" <dococ@surferz.net>
Subject: humor

--
McQuillan walked into a bar and ordered martini after
martini, each time removing the olives and placing them
in a jar. When the jar was filled with olives and all
the drinks consumed, the Irishman started to leave.

"S' cuse me", said a customer who was puzzled over what
McQuillan had done, "what was that all about?"

"Ach, it were nothin', said McQuillan, "my wife just sent
me out for a jar of olives!"
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Message: 6
  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 18:42:51 -0000
  From: "Owen D Camp" <dococ@surferz.net>
Subject: Re: Jesse Jackson

(are you, Owen?  Are you saying Jesse is bound for hell?)

From:  Owen
     Dear Lori
    It seems that Cindy has emotions that are tied to this issue.  I wonder if she thinks that a criticism of JJ is a criticism of all black folks.    Or that a criticism of JJ is a criticism of causes he claimed to stand for (equality etc.)  (I don't speak in code and I separate things when possible.)
     Judging?  There is a difference between condemning and discerning.  I'm a political junkie and I discern political figures.  And that's what JJ is. to loose thy bonds: be bound to Me. / My yoke shall ease My bonds shall free.
    Owen Camp   Cairo  NY    dococ@surferz.net  
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Message: 7
  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:46:21 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: re: great sight

Brother Owen,
I think you may be right. I made an assumption I shouldn't have made.
Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Subject:  [x-cobu] Digest Number 7
Date:  1 Feb 2001 23:30:44 -0000

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Message: 1
  Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:15:51 -0500
  From: "Mike Walker" <walkerm@mac-email.com>
Subject: Re: Forgiveness {sometimes its not easy}

Rich,
I like the term "choose," in that forgiveness is like a
legal decision. It is you giving up your legal right to
revenge and restitution (eye-for-an-eye type) for an offense
against you. You don't pretend that the offense never
happened. You don't say that you were not hurt or don't hurt
any more. You don't need to suddenly decide that the person
who wronged you is just fine. You don't need to erase your
feelings of hurt and betrayal about them.

This view of forgiveness rarely has any effect on the person
being forgiven. The effect is on the person doing the
forgiving. They are freed from the power that hatred and the
desire for revenge can have over them.
Mike
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Message: 2
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:05:45 -0500
  From: bsp15@juno.com
Subject: Re: simple math

I like this, Richard. I'm going to forward it to my youth group members.

"But the eyes of the Lord are on those who fear him, on those whose hope
is in his unfailing love" (Ps. 33:17).
Bob San Pascual
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Message: 3
  Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:04:41 -0500
  From: bsp15@juno.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [sharpen] Care for new members./for Steve..

Okay, Cathy. Check this out, and if you like it, I'll send you more.

"But the eyes of the Lord are on those who fear him, on those whose hope
is in his unfailing love" (Ps. 33:17).
Bob San Pascual


Our Role in Making Disciples

Observation #1: Follow up new converts immediately.
Once a person has received Christ, assign a mentor to him or her
immediately. “Many young people living in cities are searching for
someone who can help them survive the ropes of poor education,
joblessness, inadequate healthcare, single-parent homes, political and
economic disenfranchisement, violence, sexual diseases, and gangs”
(Copeland, p. 3).
Get that new convert into a small group immediately. One goal is that
they be assimilated into a local church in which they can be discipled.
And teach them that their salvation is assured (1 Jn. 5:13), that they
are safe in God’s hands (Jn. 10:27-29), that they don’t have to answer
altar call after altar call to be sure.

Observation #2: Select wisely the young people you will disciple.
This is what Coleman (pp. 21-37) calls the principle of selection. Youth
leaders should disciple young people of the same gender. Some
considerations include: sharing similar interests, living in proximity,
and having compatible personalities.

Observation #3: Disciple only a few people at a time.
Coleman (p. 24) wrote, “The necessity is apparent not only to select a
few laymen, but to keep the group small enough to be able to work
effectively with them.” He also wrote (pp. 26-27), “other things being
equal, the more concentrated the size of the group being taught, the
greater the opportunity for effective instruction.”

Observation #4: Love the young people you disciple.
Richards (1975, p. 43) wrote, “For Truth to have its transforming impact
on the human personality, love is utterly essential! It is Truth that is
communicated in the context of a close and loving relationship that will
be used by God to remold and renew the believer’s personality toward
Christ!”
Richards (1975, p. 44) again wrote:
As a transforming community, the Body of Christ is to express in every
way the personality of God. And it is as a community of “imitators of
God...as dearly loved children,” who “live a life of love, just as Christ
loved us and gave himself up for us” (Eph. 5:1), that the Church itself
becomes the most powerful force possible in Christian education.
In  “The Five Love Languages of Teenagers” audiobook, Gary Chapman said
that teenagers know they are loved by one or more of the following ways:
words, time spent together, touch, gifts, and acts of service. Try to use
all five love-languages with your youth group members. Then, with the
particular ones that you are mentoring, use the one that is most
meaningful to them most often.

Observation #5: Pray regularly for the young people you are discipling.
If we seriously intend to disciple others, we must be serious in
interceding for them in prayer. In the video, “Understanding Today’s
Teenagers,” Barna found that one of the differences between effective
youth ministries and those that are not so effective is that the leaders
in effective youth ministries pray every day for the young people to whom
they minister.
E. V. Hill gave this testimony:
I came from a broken family. My mother’s income was $12 a week. We had no
welfare, we had no Aid to Dependent Children, we didn’t have a thing but
what we made during the summer by picking cotton and shaking peanuts.
Five of us lived out in the country in a two-room log cabin. We didn’t
have much, but we knew how to pray. Mama left me nothing that required a
will, but she taught me how to pray at an early age. When there was no
money for a doctor and no white doctors would see us in my county, my
Mama laid her hands on me and prayed. When there was no hope that I
should finish high school, my Mama said, “God’s gonna send you through
high school.” And when I finished high school, my Mama shocked the whole
community by saying, “Ed’s going to college,” and I did. I am the result
of my mother’s prayers.

Observation #6: Spend time with the young people you are discipling.
First of all, we can’t be their role models if they don’t see us.
Secondly, young people spell “love” t-i-m-e. Thirdly, spending time with
young people follows Jesus’ pattern of discipleship. Coleman (p. 38)
wrote: “Having called his men, Jesus made it a practice to be with them.
This was the essence of His training program — just letting His disciples
follow Him.”
Again Coleman (p. 43) wrote: “He ate with them, slept with them, and
talked with them for the most part of His entire active ministry. They
walked together along the lonely roads; they visited together in the
crowded cities; they sailed and fished together in the Sea of Galilee;
they prayed together in the deserts and in the mountains; and they
worshipped together in the synagogues and in the Temple.” We can follow
in the footsteps of our Master by taking young people out to eat,
worshipping together, enjoying recreation time together, etc. This is
Coleman’s (pp. 38-49) principle of association.

Observation #7: Model Christlikeness.
This is the principle of “demonstration” of which Coleman (pp. 80) wrote:
It is well enough to tell people what we mean, but it is infinitely
better to show them how to do it. People are looking for a demonstration,
not an explanation.
When it is all boiled down, those of us who are seeking to train men must
be prepared to have them follow us, even as we follow Christ (1 Cor.
11:1). We are the exhibit (Phil. 3:17ff.; 1 Thess. 2:7, 8; 2 Tim. 1:13).
They will do those things which they hear and see in us (Phil. 4:9).
Given time, it is possible through this kind of leadership to impart our
way of living to those who are constantly with us.
Richards wrote: “To hear Jesus speak of fully developed disciples being
like their teachers (Luke 6:40) points us to the method of Christian
education: modeling” (p. 80). “God’s discipling method is modeling rather
than indoctrination” (p. 81). “It also has been long suggested that the
deep-seated motivations and attitudes which characterize persons are
essentially ‘caught’ from others with whom one feels a strong emotional
bond” (p. 82). “[I]t is modeling (or identification) that is fastened on
as the most significant source of likeness communication. It is not so
much power or rewards that shape behavior as the striving to be like
another person: ‘a motivated attempt to resemble a specific person’” (p.
83). “The teacher is a model...the learner is a disciple becoming like
his teacher...modeling and identification are the principle methods by
which transformation take place” (p. 134).
Richards (p. 85) also wrote:
For God’s Word to catch at our hearts and be most effectively applied for
transformation, we also need an intimate relationship with the teacher.
We need to see ourselves (and desire ourselves to be) like the teacher.
We need to know the teacher well, to have access to his feelings and his
values and his attitudes and his ways of responding in life. We need to
be with the teacher outside the formal learning setting, in life. And the
teacher needs to be a person who lives his faith, and who in his own
personality reflects the meaning of truths Scripture communicates in
words.

Observation #8: Be patient with the young people you are discipling.
Coleman (p. 83) wrote:
[I]t is rather startling to observe in the Gospels that these early
disciples really did not do much more than watch Jesus work for a year or
more. He kept the vision before them by His activity, and in His call
again to the four fishermen He reminded them that following Him they were
to be fishers of men (Mark 1:17; Matt. 4:19; Luke 5:10), but it does not
seem that they did much about it. For that matter, even after they were
formally ordained to the ministry a few months later (Mark 3:14-19; Luke
6:13-16), they still showed no evidence of doing any evangelistic work on
their own. This observation perhaps should cause us to be more patient
with new converts who follow us.

Observation #9: Teach constantly.
Young people are experiencing a lot of things for the first time. Let’s
teach them not only what decisions to make, but how to make decisions.
Let’s teach them what the Bible says, how to interpret the Bible, how to
follow Christ.

Observation #10: Tell stories that inspire them to draw near to God, to
be like Christ, and to do works of the ministry.
Storytelling is a powerful but often neglected tool. After telling a
story, one of my youth group members told me that he didn’t think he
could ever forget it. After hearing me preach one time, the first thing
my teenage niece told me was that she liked the story that I told. Read
books and magazines and watch movies with an eye and ear for stories that
can touch a heart and impact a life.

Observation #11: Affirm, encourage, and nurture them constantly.
Use the following phrases and others like them at appropriate times:
•    “I’m proud of you.”
•    “Good job.”
•    “That was kind of you.”
•    “Well done.”
•    “I like you.”

Observation #12: Correct, discipline, and rebuke them when necessary.
Ask God for wisdom when disciplining a young person, and always do it in
love. Don’t discipline out of frustration or anger. If you are feeling
frustrated or angry, you may have to wait a few days to gather yourself
before you administer loving discipline. Also, keep parents informed of
minor discipline problems which are becoming serious.

Observation #13: Develop a program that will facilitate the discipleship
process.The program should include Bible study, prayer, worship, evangelism,
service, and missions.

Observation #14: Remember that discipleship also takes place during
“non-programmed” times.
People learn about how to follow Christ just by being around people who
are following Christ and observing what they do and how they do it; this
is part of the modeling principle. Constantly invite and bring young
people to church functions, especially worship services.

Observation #15: Recruit others to help you disciple the others in your
group.You can’t disciple everyone; it takes a team effort. Recall how Paul
gathered coworkers such as Silas, Timothy, and others to help him.

Observation #16: Involve Christian parents in the process of
discipleship.This will be discussed more later.

References
Barna, George. “Understanding Today’s Teenagers” video.
Chapman, Gary. “The Five Love Languages of Teenagers” audiobook.
Coleman, Robert E. The Master Plan of Evangelism. Tarrytown, NY: Fleming
H. Revell, 1964.
Copeland, Nelson E. Jr. The Heroic Revolution: A New Agenda for Urban
Youthwork. Nashville, TN: James C. Winston Publishing, 1995.
Hill, E. V. “The Power of Prayer in Youth Ministry” in Discipling the
Young Person. Paul Fleischmann, editor. San Bernardino, CA: Here’s Life
Publishers, 1985, pp. 13-20.
Richards, Lawrence O. A Theology of Christian Education. Grand Rapids,
MI: Zondervan Publishing House, 1975.
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Subject: [sharpen] Digest Number 562
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Message: 1
  Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:47:44 -0500
  From: "Carol Stutts" <cstutts@kih.net>
Subject: beauty

http://www.theangelconnection.net/fantasy/beauty.html

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Message: 2
  Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:34:18 -0000
  From: "Owen D Camp" <dococ@surferz.net>
Subject: humor/ football


From:  Owen
     Dear folks
   
Wednesday Night January 31
a..
b.. Conan
During the Super Bowl police were taping everyone that entered the gates, to look for criminals.
They taped the face of every fan, but they didn't find any criminals until they pointed the cameras to the field.


c.. Tuesday Night January 30

Leno
The ratings for the Super Bowl were the worst in nine years. Hey, what do you
expect when only one team shows up?


d.. I think the Giants screwed up when they decided to have Al Gore deliver
the pre-game inspirational speech.

Conan

e.. The Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl. Now each player on the Ravens team will receive $52,000 – or, as they would call it, bail money.



Monday Night January 29

f.. Letterman


g.. The Giants are putting a good spin on this game in Tampa. They are now
claiming they won in Palm Beach County!

h.. A bunch of confused Floridians showed up today for game two in Tampa!

Kilborn

i.. The Super Bowl was yesterday. The Ravens won. You know what they say
about the Super Bowl – it ain't over until the kickoff!

Friday Night January 26
j.. Leno


k.. Are you ready for the Super Bowl? (applause) Today they said it would be
broadcast in 25 different languages – that's just in Los Angeles!

*******************************************************
l.. A University of Alabama football player was visiting a rela-
tive in Boston over the holidays. He went to a party and
met a pretty co-ed.  He attempted to start up a conversation
with the line, "Where do y'all go to school, lil lady?"

The co-ed was not impressed with his grammar or drawl, but
did answered anyway... "Yale."

The UA student took a big, deep breath and shouted, "WHERE
DO Y'ALL GO TO SCHOOL!?"

to loose thy bonds: be bound to Me. / My yoke shall ease My bonds shall free.
    Owen Camp   Cairo  NY    dococ@surferz.net  
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Message: 3
  Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:39:36 -0000
  From: "Owen D Camp" <dococ@surferz.net>
Subject: poems


From:  Owen
     Dear
   
God Moves in a Mysterious Way
                 
God moves in a mysterious way
His wonders to perform;
He plants His footsteps in the sea,
And rides upon the storm.

Deep in unfathomable mines
Of never-failing skill
He treasures up His bright designs,
And works His sovereign will.

Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take,
The clouds ye so much dread
Are big with mercy, and shall break
In blessings on your head.

Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
But trust Him for His grace;
Behind a frowning providence
He hides a smiling face.

His purposes will ripen fast,
Unfolding every hour;
The bud may have a bitter taste,
But sweet will be the flower.

Blind unbelief is sure to err,
And scan his work in vain;
God is His own interpreter,
And He will make it plain.

By: William Cowper
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A THOUGHT ON DEATH

When life as opening buds is sweet,
And golden hopes the fancy greet,
And Youth prepares his joys to meet,--
Alas! how hard it is to die!

When just is seized some valued prize,
And duties press, and tender ties
Forbid the soul from earth to rise,--
How awful then it is to die!

When, one by one, those ties are torn,
And friend from friend is snatched forlorn,
And man is left alone to mourn,--
Ah then, how easy ''tis to die!

When faith is firm, and conscience clear,
And words of peace the spirit cheer,
And visioned glories half appear,--
''Tis joy, ''tis triumph then to die.

When trembling limbs refuse their weight,
And films, slow gathering, dim the sight,
And clouds obscure the mental light,--
''Tis nature's precious boon to die.

BY: Anna LŠtitia Barbauld, 1814

A family tree is worth bragging about only if it produces good  timber and not just nuts.
    Owen Camp   Cairo  NY    dococ@surferz.net  
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Message: 4
  Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:40:40 -0000
  From: "Owen D Camp" <dococ@surferz.net>
Subject: humor


From:  Owen
     Dear
   
A shopkeeper was dismayed when a brand new business much
like his own opened up next door and erected a huge sign
which read 'BEST DEALS.'

He was horrified when another competitor opened up on his
right, and announced its arrival with an even larger sign
reading, 'LOWEST PRICES.'  

The shopkeeper panicked, until he got an idea. He put the
biggest sign of all over his own shop.

It read... 'MAIN ENTRANCE'
**************************
At one Army base, the annual trip to the rifle range had
been canceled for the second year in a row, but the semi-
annual physical fitness test was still on as planned.

One soldier mused, "Does it bother anyone else that the
Army doesn't seem to care how well we can shoot, but they
are extremely interested in how fast we can run?"

*************************************************
"Armstrong!" the boss bellowed, "I happen to know that the
reason you didn't come to work yesterday was that you were
out playing golf! What do you have to say for yourself?"

"That's a rotten lie!" Armstrong protested. "And I have the
fish to prove it!"
to loose thy bonds: be bound to Me. / My yoke shall ease My bonds shall free.
    Owen Camp   Cairo NY    dococ@surferz.net
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Message: 5
  Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:40:11 -0500
  From: "Carol Stutts" <cstutts@kih.net>
Subject: prayer

please pray 4 my dad

he is having surgery in the morning

sudden
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Message: 6
  Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:49:26 EST
  From: mgriffo@aol.com
Subject: Re: prayer

Will do Carol
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Subject:  [x-cobu] Digest Number 8
Date:  3 Feb 2001 02:39:46 -0000
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Message: 1
  Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:23:34 -0500
  From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>
Subject: Re: philly articles

> Has anyone seen this article on cobu ? some of it is hiliarious other
> parts are very sad.Check it out at the web site
> below http://www.phillymag.com/Archives/1999June/cult_8.html


The author of the article talked with many of us and taped us - and
she still got my quote wrong.  Mike has this article, by permission,
on his site somewhere.  I sent the actual magazines to the few that
requested the actual magazine (June '99 - no longer on the stands,
obviously)  John Dorety only talked with her on the phone and asked
that his name be left out.  And it's in there no less than three times.
(I told her she'd like talking with him....)
But all in all - it is indeed one of the best articles about us ever
written to date.
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Message: 2
  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:59:29 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: [sharpen] Care for new members./for Steve..

Brother Bob,
This seems like an excellent guide for tending the flock of God.
Well done bro!
Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Message: 3
  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:02:01 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: Forgiveness {sometimes its not easy}

Brother Mike,
Well said.
Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Message: 4
  Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 22:36:23 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: Forgiveness {sometimes its not easy}

Sister Lori and brother Richard,
Good points from both of you.
I would add that there is also the huge cloud of having to admit to ourselves
that we were wrong in following Stewart. I came to a point in my life, years
later after leaving Cobu that I took full ownership of having let Stewart lead
me astray. Only after I did that was I willing to forgive Stewart. I had to
admit that I wasn't perfect and that I had made a bad choice. I began to see
God's hand in all of it a few years after that. One of the verses that helped me
understand how God's hand was in it is in Gen.50:20-"But as for you, you meant
evil against me; but God meant it for good...".
I agree that it can often be quite a bit more complicated than just simply
making a decision to forgive. Scripture does command us to forgive, that is
true. But stark naked honesty of seeing and admitting one's own responsibility
may be needed to help one to be truly forgiving and meaning it. Forgiveness does
bring freedom and inner healing. Praise God His Grace and for the truth of
scripture.
Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Message: 7
  Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:19:20 -0500
  From: "Raynard Merritt" <AFA1LQ@HOME.COM>
Subject: quote

The sinner has no future and the Christian has no past !!!!!!
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Message: 8
  Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:05:52 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: [sharpen] Care for new members./for Bob

Dear Bob,

Just wanted to let you know, I read this info and find it extremely
accurate and helpful. I printed out most of it and hope you send more. I
would like to fill in the details of what I struggle with and then maybe
you could point me in a fair direction, at least.

1.  I do not have a church   Does yours or Steve's  church organization
know of a church in the North Buffalo area, around Hertel and Delaware that
would be recommended for outreach? I myself would attend if I found it came
recommended and was known as a "sound doctrinally", group of Christians.

I will start here.-----(Also, are there any brothers who can answer this
question for Tara, (our new sister in Christ) ?? Two days ago after reading
about 10 chapters in the gospel of John, she asked me---Did a man write the
bible??? The I said, "well, yes, but through the Holy Spirit"
Her response to that was, well, men make mistakes, so how do we know the
Bible is real??"

Sorry Bros, I could not answer her questions. : ( ..But I told her I would
ask one of my older Christian friends, to see what answer they could give.
She like that idea...So Tara and I are waiting for the answer!!!!)

Yours in Christ,
CK
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Message: 9
  Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:05:16 -0500
  From: "Raynard Merritt" <AFA1LQ@HOME.COM>
Subject: THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING

      Just for fun...

THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING?
  1. Rubber bands last longer when refrigerated.
  2. Peanuts are one of the ingredients of dynamite.
  3. There are 293 ways to make change for a dollar.
  4. The average person's left hand does 56% of the typing.
  5. A shark is the only fish that can blink with both eyes.
  6. There are more chickens than people in the world.
  7. Two-thirds of the world's eggplant is grown in New Jersey.
  8. The longest one-syllable word in the English language is
       "screeched."
  9. On a Canadian two dollar bill, the flag flying over
       the Parliament building is an American flag.
  10. All of the clocks in the movie "Pulp Fiction" are
       stuck on 4:20.
  11. No word in the English language rhymes with month,
       orange, silver, or purple.
  12. "Dreamt" is the only English word that ends in the
      letters "mt".
  13. All 50 states are listed across the top of the Lincoln
        Memorial on the back of the $5 bill.
  14. Almonds are a member of the peach family.
  15. Winston Churchill was born in a ladies' room during a dance.
  16. Maine is the only state whose name is just one syllable.
  17. There are only four words in the English language which
       end in"dous": tremendous, horrendous, stupendous, and hazardous.
  18. Los Angeles' full name is"El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la
        Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula"
  19. A cat has 32 muscles in each ear.
  20. An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain.
  21. Tigers have striped skin, not just striped fur.
  22. In most advertisements, the time displayed on a watch is 10:10.
  23. Al Capone's business card said he was a used furniture dealer.
  24. The characters Bert and Ernie on Sesame Street were named
        after Bert the cop and Ernie the taxi driver in Frank Capra's "It's a
       Wonderful Life."
  25. A dragonfly has a life span of 24 hours.
  26. A goldfish has a memory span of three seconds
  27. A dime has 118 ridges around the edge.
  28. It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open.
  29. The giant squid has the largest eyes in the world.
  30. In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.
  31. The microwave was invented after a researcher walked
       by a radar tube and a chocolate bar melted in his pocket.
  32. Mr. Rogers is an ordained minister.
  33. The average person falls asleep in seven minutes.
  34. There are 336 dimples on a regulation golf ball.
  35. "Stewardesses" is the longest word that is typed with
       only the left hand.


NOW you know everything.

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Message: 11
  Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 14:06:53 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Bob- Beg to differ on one point!

. "Many young people living in cities are searching for
> > someone who can help them survive the ropes of poor education,
> > joblessness, inadequate health care, single-parent homes, political and
> > economic disenfranchisement, violence, sexual diseases, and gangs"
> > (Copeland, p. 3).

Dear Bob,

About half the kids that come over to my place are poor and undereducated
and basically hungry for love and attention. The other half are not; I
happen to live near an extremely wealthy neighborhood, and in that
neighborhood are a lot of teenagers who are very wealthy. Most of these
kids attend private Catholic Schools and are extremely well educated. A
percentage of these kids will eventually attend schools like Harvard and
Princeton. They too come looking for love and attention. They too are
seeking truth.

One particular kid who is 15 attended a Catholic private school his  whole
life. His Uncle was a Senator in Congress for the United States.  All the
other kids call his home--"The Mansion" We all laugh together at that one,
including him. He asked me point blank one day, "How do you talk to Jesus???"
" I replied,  " You just pray to him, and tell him about your sins and he
will forgive you and answer..." His response was this-

His eye grew wide and he leaned forward and said, "That is all???!!! It is
that simple???!!!"
Then he leaned back on the sofa and scratched his chin and looked up into
heaven and you could see his mind was turning.  And there are others too.
These kids are mainly looking for love and acceptance. Home life is too
busy for mom and dad to know these kids are alive. What I offer here in my
home is simply this--
I listen to their complaints about their daily struggles.
I talk to them about their relationships, plus I allow a free atmosphere
for them to discuss boy girl problems...They are not afraid to tell me
anything. Plus I always supply the solutions with prayer---" I will pray
for you" Then I trust that Jesus will take care of the rest.
I give them food if they are hungry and I never ever complain about what
they consume. Teen-agers  can consume a great deal of food....I believe the
ones I see eat the most are the ones who get the least amount of food at
home--A Lot of parents spend money on alcohol and drugs and cigarettes,
which leaves little for food..
I always always encourage them to "OBEY YOUR PARENTS". For some that is
hard, but in the long run, the parents appreciate me because I am
supporting their rules and so I never get into disagreements with them.
I will drive them anywhere they need to go. A lot of times the girls are
left to walk the streets at night by themselves. I will not allow it. They
find it strangely curious that I am willing to drive them and complain
bitterly, my parents would never so that!  As a matter of fact one of the
parents donated 20$ to me in appreciation for "Caring for our Children".
That is all how it started--I care what happens to teenagers--

Yours in Christ

CK
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Message: 12
  Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:08:42 -0500
  From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>
Subject: Re: Was this already posted perhaps?

          No; and it never should have been.
Making up stuff and saying it's the words of "rhyming Jesse"
- I'm not a prude by any means, but I found this really off.

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Subject:  [x-cobu] Digest Number 9
Date:  3 Feb 2001 17:07:12 -0000
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Message: 3
  Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:49:39 -0500
  From: "Raynard Merritt" <AFA1LQ@HOME.COM>
Subject: Wedding Tale

Wedding Tale

When I was younger I hated going to weddings ...it seemed that all of my aunts
and the grandmotherly types used to come up to me, poking me in the ribs and
cackling, telling me, "You're next."

They stopped that junk after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals.


            Brother Ray
>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<>+<

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Subject:  [x-cobu] Digest Number 10
Date:  4 Feb 2001 16:02:03 -0000
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Message: 1
  Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:47:18 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: Bob- Beg to differ on one point!

Sister Felicia,
Sounds like the Lord has given you a great ministry.
Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Message: 2
  Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:08:23 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: [sharpen] Care for new members./for Bob

Sister Felicia,
I'm sorry that I don't know of a church in the area you asked about, but I
will inquire.
When questions come up about how could God make sure that men (who make
mistakes)could write the Bible so that we could trust it, I explain it this
way:
God is all powerful and all knowing and watches over His Word. To make a
human comparison, think of a president or CEO of a successful business. He
dictates a letter to his secretary. Before that letter gets mailed out, she
gives him a rough draft for any corrections he might make. He makes the
corrections and gives it back to her. She retypes it with the corrections
and then gives it back to the boss to get his final ok and his signature.
The point is, the letter won't go anywhere until it is written exactly as
the boss intended. If human bosses can make sure that their letters contain
everything that they intended to say even though imperfect people are
dealing with the whole process, why is it so hard to believe that God who is
all powerful and all knowing was unable to cause His Word to be written down
exactly as He intended?
Hope this helps you sis.
Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Message: 3
  Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:51:57 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Bob- Beg to differ on one point!

Thanks Steve! I guess I sound kind a puffed up here...I am sorry about
that.. I guess I am so proud of what Jesus is doing here...It is Him. I
absolutely do nothing but offer to them, all that I have and that is
basically, the Love that Jesus has planted in my heart. It is God that has
made me able to really care for others..Not anything inside of me.

ck
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Message: 4
  Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:58:10 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: OOOOPs!! Sorry Sisters...

I am still think like COBU! Only brothers can accurately translate God's
word. Let us not forget,
Deborah!!!!
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Message: 5
  Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:47:34 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Cute

PEARLY GATES

A minister dies and is waiting in line at the Pearly Gates.

Ahead of him is a guy who's dressed in sunglasses, a loud shirt,
leather jacket, and jeans.

Saint Peter addresses this guy, "Who are you, so that I may know
whether or not to admit you to the Kingdom of Heaven?"

The guy replies, "I'm Joe Cohen, taxi driver, of Noo Yawk City."

St. Peter consults his list.

He smiles and says to the taxi driver, "Take this silken robe and
golden staff and enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

The taxi driver goes into Heaven with his robe and staff, and it's
the minister's turn.

He stands erect and booms out, "I am Joseph Snow, pastor of
Calvary for the last forty-three years."

St Peter consults his list.

He says to the minister, "Take this cotton robe and wooden staff
and enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

"Just a minute," says the minister. "That man was a taxi driver, and
he gets a silken robe and golden staff. How can this be?"

"Up here, we work by results," says Saint Peter. "While you preached,
people slept; while he drove, people prayed."

Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Message: 6
  Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:32:29 -0500
  From: bsp15@juno.com
Subject: Re: Forgiveness {sometimes its not easy}

I couldn't have said it any better, Steve.

"But the eyes of the Lord are on those who fear him, on those whose hope
is in his unfailing love" (Ps. 33:17).
Bob San Pascual
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Message: 7
  Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 01:34:15 -0500
  From: bsp15@juno.com
Subject: Re: Was this already posted perhaps?

Ray, I'm with Tom on this. I read the first couple of sentences and had
to delete it because I felt it was of poor taste. I admit that I also
send things that may not be edifying from time to time, so I'm not
judging, just exhorting all of us, beginning with myself, to email things
that are of more benefit to others on the list. Thanks in advance for
understanding.

"But the eyes of the Lord are on those who fear him, on those whose hope
is in his unfailing love" (Ps. 33:17).
Bob San Pascual
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Message: 8
  Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:42:24 -0800
  From: John P King <jpkinghome@juno.com>
Subject: Re: OOOOPs!! Sorry Sisters...

yeah, and huldah,and so very many others!   ellen
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Message: 9
  Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:07:16 -0500
  From: "richard farretta" <rng777@hotmail.com>
Subject: response to

I found that made up rhyme thing about Jesse really off as well.
Rich

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me ALL the days of my life. Psalm 23



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Message: 12
  Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:01:43 -0500
  From: "richard farretta" <rng777@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 8

Good point Steve ,by blameshifting we can be avoiding our responsibility to the
situation .
I wonder how much of happened to us in Cobu was from our own slackness not to
compare what Stewart said to what the word said?  I am not saying we were at
fault but I wonder if to some small degree we allowed ourselves to be deceived,
I probably will be misunderstood by some for saying this but hope I am
understood.
I was kicked out of Cobu around 1982 because I decided I was going to keep part
of my paycheck to by personal items like shoes because I was tired of putting in
request after request for personal items and being put off .I finally stood up
for myself and said enough is enough and kept part of my own money to purchase
personal items.
When I had the items I felt I needed I again gave all my paycheck but Sue Hyde.
Kevin Brown and Joan Thomas threw me out after accepting my Bi-weekly check
and then told me to make my way to 515 from Cleveland after throwing my stuff
into the street. LOL God Bless them for helping me escape cobu.
I wonder why I did not stand up for myself prior to this on other issues
I also wonder how much we were kept in by our own pride since we thought we
could never fit in with "church Christians " because we had such a deeper
understanding .By allowing our own spritual pride to imprison us instead of
saying we are no better than other Christians of course we can join them.
Any comments on these things?
In Christ
Richard Farretta

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Subject:  [x-cobu] Digest Number 11
Date:  5 Feb 2001 16:20:42 -0000
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Message: 2
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 13:20:30 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: encouragement

Dear Rich,

What a beautiful illustration of how God loves us. He knew too, all about
our crumpled dirty mess before we made it and still he sent Jesus to die
for us!

CJ
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Message: 3
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 13:22:37 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: OOOOPs!! Sorry Sisters...

It was the Beard???? I thought it was the pencil pack, fatigues and the
utility belt??

Too Funny Tom--LOL

CK

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Message: 4
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 13:27:48 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 8

Dear Mike,

I was able to open the picture of Phillipa and Debra Dunn? I am not
familiar with Debra, but I do know Phillipa and it definitely is a picture
of her. I was under the impression that she left COBU!

CK
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Message: 7
  Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:45:26 EST
  From: mgriffo@aol.com
Subject: Re: OOOOPs!! Sorry Sisters...

Tom this is hilarious...thanks for making my day.  By the way, my boss has
done some research on what parts of the brain men and women use to think.
Using a technique called fMRI she and the others researching this were able
to see through the fMRI films that men tend to use only the left side of the
brain when trying to solve different cognitive tasks where as women almost
equally use both sides of the brain.  She said that years ago someone won the
Nobel Peace Prize because they were able to show that women recover from
strokes better than men...and it is due to the same reason...If a man has a
stroke in the region of the brain he uses, he's not wired to compensate for
it.  Whereas since a woman uses more diverse areas on the brain, she has a
better chance of another part of the brain compensating for what was damaged
by the stroke.
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Message: 8
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 14:58:31 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: OOOOPs!! Sorry Sisters...

Dear Maureen,

This is a good point to prove that women have it "goin' ON"
LOL
Tom's response was too funny, so was Ellens.
I did want to say that I believe ST was a woman hater and that is why he
suppressed us in so many ways. He always made know of the fact---"The
woman"--Like being a woman was some evil, nasty thing..And he was on a
mission to correct the problem. It is a known fact that men who are abusive
and violent are generally women haters.

CK

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Message: 9
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:06:55 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: oh dem golden slippers...

Oh Ellen, that brings back a memory that is less than secure! I remember
sitting in a meeting and then looking up. There he stood, glaring and
cold--I began to literally shake. I cannot, to this day understand why I
shook so much. He had some terrible tidings too, He announced. "a brother
in one of the buildings in Manhattan just molested an 11 year old child and
the police are taking him to jail. He paused. I looked up and he was
looking right at me, and I began to shake violently....I was terrified! I
still do not know why.  Then ST said, "....and the brother was saying what
did I do wrong.???"  No one ever said a word after ward and he left. I will
never forget that feeling of scariness. I am still trying to
understand....dem golden slippers sneakers here definitely covered in mud!
CK

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Message: 10
  Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 16:27:19 EST
  From: Gjude20@aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 8

In a message dated 2/4/01 1:44:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ckmezzz@netzero.net writes:

<< >I also wonder how much we were kept in by our own pride since we thought
>we could never fit in with "church Christians " because we had such a
>deeper understanding .By allowing our own spiritual pride to imprison us
>instead of saying we are no better than other Christians of course we can
>join them.
  >>>>>> >>

Dear friends,  There are still ex-boos who have been out of Stew's cult for
years who think like the above post indicates.  Since they believe that
nonsense and yet are out of Stew's group, they had to start their own.  Some
of them are on this very list, believe it or not.  Uh-oh; they might smash me
or call me contentious for this expose.  As Red Skelton used to say as "the
bad little boy":  "If I dood it, I get a whippen...I dood it!"  The infamous
Ed Gaster


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Message: 11
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 17:19:35 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Sto p Mis quoting!

Hey Ed,
I am trying to be patient here, but I am starting to become a little
frustrated!
I did not write what was written below..Rich did. What upsets me here is
that you have misquoted me for the second time.  This is a cut and paste
job here.
Now as far as others still thinking like this, do not scare
everyone!  Those words you have written below are inciting to fear and
distress...Please stop misquoting me.
I find it extremely distressful

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Message: 12
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 22:23:16 -0000
  From: n8vzl@hotmail.com
Subject: More from over the top

This was sent by a very good friend, and we want to keep it going so
I'm doing my part:

                    You'll Find Jesus There

"Tomorrow morning," the surgeon began, "I'll open up your heart..."

"You'll find Jesus there," the boy interrupted.

The surgeon looked up, annoyed.  "I'll cut your heart open," he
continued,"to see how much damage has been done..."

"But when you open up my heart, you'll find Jesus in there."

The surgeon looked to the parents, who sat quietly.  "When I see how
much damage has been done, I'll sew your heart and chest back up and I'll
plan what to do next."

"But you'll find Jesus in my heart.  The Bible says He lives there.
The hymns all say He lives there.  You'll find Him in my heart."

The surgeon had had enough.  "I'll tell you what I'll find in your
heart. I'll find damaged muscle, low blood supply, and weakened vessels.
And I'll find out if I can make you well."

"You'll find Jesus there too.  He lives there."

The surgeon left.  The surgeon sat in his office, recording his notes
from the surgery, "...damaged aorta, damaged pulmonary vein, widespread
muscle degeneration.  No hope for transplant, no hope for cure.  Therapy:
painkillers and bedrest.  Prognosis:," here he paused, "death within
one year."
He stopped the recorder, but there was more to be said.  "Why?" he
asked aloud."Why did You do this?  You've put him here; you've put him in this
pain; and You've cursed him to an early death.  Why?"

The Lord answered and said, "The boy, My lamb, was not meant for your
flock for long, for he is a part of My flock, and will forever be.  Here,
in My flock, he will feel no pain, and will be comforted as you cannot
imagine. His parents will one day join him here, and they will know peace, and
My flock will continue to grow."

The surgeon's tears were hot, but his anger was hotter.  "You created
that boy, and You created that heart.  He'll be dead in months.  Why?"

The Lord answered, "The boy, My lamb, shall return to My flock, for he
has done his duty: I did not put My lamb with your flock to lose him, but
to retrieve another lost lamb."

The surgeon wept.

The surgeon sat beside the boy's bed; the boy's parents sat across
from him.
The boy awoke and whispered, "Did you cut open my heart?"

"Yes,"  said the surgeon.

"What did you find?" asked the boy.

"I found Jesus there," said the surgeon.





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From:  "richard farretta" <rng777@h...>
Date:  Sun Feb 4, 2001 2:01am
Subject:  Re: [x-cobu] Digest Number 8

Good point Steve ,by blame-shifting we can be avoiding our responsibility to the situation .

 I wonder how much of happened to us in Cobu was from our own slackness not to compare what Stewart said to what the word said?  I am not saying we were at fault but I wonder if to some small degree we allowed ourselves to be decieved , I probably will be misunderstood by some for saying this but hope I am understood .

I was kicked out of Cobu around 1982 because I decided I was going to keep part of my paycheck to by personal items like shoes because I was tired of putting in request after request for personal items and being put off .I finally stood up for myself and said enough is enough and kept part of my own money to purchase personal items.

When I had the items I felt I needed I again gave all my paycheck but Sue Hyde . Kevin Brown and Joan Thomas threw me out after  accepting my Bi-weekly check and then told me to make my way to 515 from Cleveland after throwing my stuff into the street. LOL God Bless them for helping me escape cobu.

I wonder why I did not stand up for myself prior to this on other issues

I also wonder how much we were kept in by our own pride since we thought we could never fit in with "church Christians " because we had such a deeper understanding .By allowing our own spritual pride to imprison us instead of saying we are no better than other Christians of course we can join them.

Any comments on these things?

In Christ

Richard Farretta

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Message: 14
  Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:08:19 EST
  From: Gjude20@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Sto p Mis quoting!

Hey Ed,
I am trying to be patient here, but I am starting to become a little
frustrated!
I did not write what was written below..Rich did. What upsets me here is
that you have misquoted me for the second time.  This is a cut and paste
job here.
Now as far as others still thinking like this, do not scare
everyone!  Those words you have written below are inciting to fear and
distress...Please stop misquoting me.
I find it extremely distressful


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Message: 15
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 18:23:10 -0500
  From: Felicia Miller <ckmezzz@netzero.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Sto p Mis quoting!

Dear Ed,

I find it extremely important not to be misrepresented when posting
writings. I realize that we all make mistakes, so when you had done it the
first time, I just over looked it, but when it happened again...I thought
it was done on purpose...I can jump to conclusions, so forgive me. I should
not have gotten so angry.

Your letter or response to what Rick had written would kind of scare some
or make others afraid and shy away. Who ever is on this list, whether it be
in COBU or out, or just plain, wants to start their own church..I believe
it is fair for us to "bear" with them. These are complicated problems that
need to be ironed out slowly.. I guess I am glad whoever is on this list,
because I want to see everyone well and happy and with the Lord. I want to
do my best to get there.


"Lo I am with you always, even to the close of the age!"
Amen and Amen, Come Lord Jesus

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Message: 16
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:36:19 -0500
  From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>
Subject: Re: OOOOPs!! Sorry Sisters...
 


I saw them doing a demonstration with two conversations going on in
each ear of the headphones and telling the people to listen to only one.

Usually the men could focus on only one while the women couldn't.
Parallels the one or two sides use of the brain.  The explanation for
the women not being able to focus - was not necessarily that they weren't
able to focus, per se, but that they do hear everything.  This, they
were saying, is why if the whole world is so noisy no one can make anything
out - they can still distinctly hear it when their baby in the other
room starts crying.
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Message: 17
  Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:45:06 -0500
  From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 8

> << >I also wonder how much we were kept in by our own pride since we thought
>  >we could never fit in with "church Christians " because we had such a
>  >deeper understanding .
>   Uh-oh; they might smash me
> or call me contentious for this expose.  As Red Skelton used to say as "the
> bad little boy":  "If I dood it, I get a whippen...I dood it!"  The infamous
> Ed Gaster


My 'excuse' for piping up so much - I don't want my silence to be
misinterpreted for consent.  I'm trying to lay back some and let
others express some sentiment that means...  that means I don't
have to.
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Message: 18
  Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:10:56 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: More from over the top

Brother Ray,
Thanks bro.
I will definitely pass it on.
Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
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Message: 20
  Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:44:39 -0500
  From: "Steve Saxton" <sksaxton@sg23.com>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 8

Brother Rich,
Regarding your comment:"  I wonder how much of happened to us in Cobu was from
our own slackness not to compare what Stewart said to what the word said?  I am
not saying we were at fault but I wonder if to some small degree we allowed
ourselves to be decieved"- I think much of what happened was because we didn't
compare what Stewart said with what the Word said. But we must remember, our
understanding of what the Word said was tainted because of Stewart's faulty
teaching and our being deceived into buying every word of his teaching. As
brother Tom says about the 'matrix' or 'mindset', our 'matrix' of bible
understanding was superimposed with ST's faulty teaching. And as you have said,
our pride and youthfulness (physically and as immature Christians) combined to
give us strong reasons to keep us there.
But never forget this overriding truth, my dear brothers and sisters, God
allowed each of us to be there, as part of His plan for our lives. He has
revealed to me, for my own satisfaction why he placed me there. I trust He has
shown others why they were there.And for those who don't know yet, I believe He
will show them at the right time also.


Yours in Christ,
Sola Scriptura,
Steve Saxton
 
 


Subject:  [x-cobu] Digest Number 12
Date:  5 Feb 2001 20:08:15 -0000

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Message: 1
  Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:36:40 -0500
  From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>
Subject: Re: Another Picture of ST?

The picture with the bass player - that's DD over by the keyboards,
I think....
The one with the cigar - Stewart doesn't smoke 'em, as far as I know,
though when he gets into the wine - who knows.  You know he had
wine with his dinner?  Why you think he spent so much time in his
  ivory tower?  And why his mind uttered strange things.  Actually,
I really don't know if he drank enough to paint the town or not, but
  I do know he imbibed.  And others know too.
(you learn another secret about this guy all the time - don't you?!)
   But as for the rest of that guy lighting his cigar -
his fingers are too fat - which means this guy worked during his lifetime.
        Physical labor.  Strewart never sweat -
except when he thought maybe he was losing control of us.
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Message: 2
  Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:40:19 -0500
  From: Tom Pierron <tpierron@Op.Net>
Subject: Re: the unrighteous judge??

> Here is another attempt

Refresher course on the guy with the cigar.  The other one I couldn't
open - it went to that "more info" box - and whenever I go to those
places they want me to choose something to download - and it has
never worked for me....... call me uncomputer savvy.
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Message: 3
  Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:19:50 -0000
  From: Yacov Prasch <jacob@moriel.org>
Subject: RE: Was this already posted perhaps?

Not to sound self righteous, but I frankly find this inappropriate for a
Christian internet forum.

In Jesus,

James Jacob Prasch

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