Stewart is in the black print
the ( ) are the voices of the brothers and sisters collectively
Mike Montoya comments will appear in Blue. I know I would not have gotten this much floor time had I actually been there.
By Grace you are saved never by faith ..by grace
Youíve heard it how (often a bunch of times) You were in fact, as Gayle pointed out, kept in
restraint. You were kept under tutors until this day. Wait a minute!...Are you saying we are Jews?
There is also, in no way to excuse my error...There is also an amazing working of God in all this too, not to excuse at all...not to
excuse me at all.....Thatís one will have to get into..Sorry for butting in again ..Are you saying that God is working here.
there is this in Job ď Behold you have instructed many and now it has come to you.ĒOkay so you have instructed many, like Job
and now calamity has come upon you....You innocent guy you!Doing such a great job and then this happens! Darn! ďNevertheless if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed...(thank you Jesus) Thank you Jesus??? Brothers and sisters ...what are you thanking Jesus for.?....Stew here says first you are Jews under the old covenant finally getting to the New Covenant...then he says God is working amazingly..then he mentions "my error" then he is Job suffering unjustly.....Then he claims salvation in Jesus....Am I missing something here?...
.A child as long as he is a child is no better than a slave...he is under tutors until the day the father
appoints..Got my hand raised here...Stewart ...are you saying that You and cobu up until March 1989 are like the Jews with the
law ala Galatians?....when does "your error" come in".you better be glad you were.were what?.and there is this too...you better
be glad you were..what? kept in restraint? kept under tutors? kept under your leadership?.the alternative is worse..yeah Jesus
can't save anyone by any other means but you appauling as this is.you got that right.. If I hadnít grabbed you ...what
then?gosh..maybe Jesus would have shown his mercy to me and saved me in a healthy church and I wouldn't have nightmares
starring you..( saved from my own backsliding...I might be dead...I might be physically dead) Yet as I said all along..but my
spirit didnít mean it ..itís not me doing it ..itís God doing it...and it was! Okay ...time out...I know we are all versed in
Stewartspeak but come on! You said all along but your spirit didn't mean it? So you were decieving us. So God is responsible
for this mess huh? You kill me. God was doing it all along..doing it...hmmm ...you mean saving us tending us?So it wasn't you?
So where does your error come in?
Youíve all been reading Romans a lot lately(yes).who
told them to read Romans lately...you? you
know the answer
to the question already don't you...cheap theatrics..youíve all been reading Romans a lot(yes)..and could not notice this? don't
you remember? ...you are the teacher...nobody interprets or comes to any conclusions without your stamp of approval. You
didn't train us to notice anything except your teaching...Look , it is clear that God has decided that it is time for you to transfer
your allegiance, if thatís the word, from my spirit to His Spirit(yes..thank you Jesus).Wait, wait wait....."God has decided" He
decided that we call no man Lord, Teacher or Father a long time ago. You make it seem like God sanctioned Cobu and you as
tutors and custodians until this appointed time.So you were not in error...you were doing God's will. Hey everybody ...Let's
thank Jesus for all that Stewart's done, after all , it was God's will up to this point to pledge allegiance to Stewart's spirit, which
we did quite well...Oh boy...now we get to go to God directly....hmmm....guess we are Jews.....but wait a minute...I'm a
hispanic gentile....God poured His Holy Spirit into my heart June 30 1975.....I have never been under the law....is this the error
part..Stew? there are deeply ingrained ideas and feelings..running wild in our fellowship, many of them directly or indirectly can
be traced back to my error.bingo! Everything has to be re-examined.by who?....you are no longer qualified And this is a good
time to do it....oh yeah ...I forgot...God decided....What has happened is this..this is another set of..some sort of ah ah...some
sort of tying my error to your problem..oooh! you make it seems so difficult....simple adding and subtracting.....brothers and
sisters in cobu....poisoned...brothers and sisters out.....healthy christians....Hmmm....who is teaching those strange things to
those christians in cobu?...I'll let you have this one..and ..ah..how do you think Iím doing Gayle?..... Come on Gayle...make him
Gayle: Iím not really sureĒ.. neither are
.Stewart: in speaking anyways....
Stewart: I have been unable to speak almost right Gayle?
It is again only His grace that I am even physically able to speak right now..and what was it when you couldn't speak? that is
coherent...I have been a help in many ways..but have torn down in others.yeah..and Hitler was great for Germany except for
that little Holocaust thing..we have come to depend on faith instead of Jesus.....by faith....the stress is subtle yes... ďitís up to
you and your faithĒ...is that the idea that you have?(yes)If you're gonna use the Galatians theme, then use the word "works" remember Faith good...Works bad...."We have come to depend on faith"...."instead of Jesus?" What? That's the strangest thing I have ever heard .You are describing "works" but you are using the word "faith". I can speak for everyone when I say "our faith was and is in Jesus" We aren't just walking around with a ball of faith, hoping to cash it in for a white robe. You taught us about faith for 17 years. Our ideas about faith came from you. You never talked about Faith being or equal to WORKS. Have you lost your mind?Some how I cheerily bounded off with that idea...and the brothers couldnít keep up with me..welll....if we did catch up to you...you bashed us back in our place .faith in His love but itís up to you...somehow...these are absurdities...Why did God allow this?Wait a minute...I thought we were being kept in
restraint, ya know, with tutors...You saying we have been believing absurdities? This must be where you talk about your error..
You think it must be because of wrong in me...Ēwell yeah..since everything we ever learned came from you...you yourself said
that you erred....so yeah it's the wrong in you(I know I'm making a big leap here)(yeah,muttering) this illness is not unto death..it
is for the glory of GodĒ... yer saying that kind of thing?what illness?...you're not Lazarus...this is not a physical malady...and
Unless...then thereís me ..that's what I have been saying....It is you . You You You..how can this be? simple...You are in
error....Furthermore....Furthermore.. let us let us erase this whole meeting now..Jedi mind trick.this has never happened...I wish
.even so I would not rightly..now again..forget the wrong.What wrong? God decided..remember? Tutors.... but I was not
rightly strengthening the brothers.yeah..you were wrongly strengthening us....didn't feel good.. you donít think so? No ..here I
agree with you....see you say ďoh youíve been so much help.Ē go ahead say it...(yeah yes)..Brothers and sisters....Stewart is
trying to repent for teaching error and messing us up and here he is prodding us to applaud all the good he has done..it yet remains itís not true...I havenít been..well No kidding....gosh you're humble....what then?...Jesus told the parable...there was a rich man...with a
trunk put all kinds of money in...and the woman put one penny in...now whatís the point?You got me(guessing) I could
cheerily keep going this way I could..I could cheerily keep going..but in affect I was just saying to the brothers..what it comes
down to whether I thought I was doing what it comes down to is saying ..Ēwell..itís up to you..you gotta be faithfulĒand so
forth. So you going on your merry way is a good thing? God's Will? and again you are describing works and blaming faith or
faithfulness. We were and are a very "works" oriented fellowship. With the charts and color judgement, oh..by the way...thanks
for all that tutoring... So where is strengthening the brothers the real way? you got me Strengthening the brothers in faith that
you are his chosen..first and foremost...and I am not ..to my shame. okay...this is where you should break down over the tremendous grief you have amassed for the error and damage and hurt and pain you foisted upon us building up on the one hand and tearing down with the other.when were you building us up ?....I am willing to give you credit...you were nice to me when I was a lamb then you targeted me for all the years I lived in fellowship...bull in a china shop..I hear my friend back there.... it really has been...and
I want you to know something else...are you listening?sales
tactic(yes) you must understand
this.sales tactic.how...hard to believe again..sales tactic.this is nothing.sales tactic..there is a real way in which I have been
as or more a victim than you ...now think of that.I'm thinking ...I'm thinking.....you? a victim? Let's see...who abused
you?..you didnít waste 25 years..well none of this was a waste.Remember God was working through you to tutor us..restrain us...God does work everything for the good for those called according to His purpose...Let's see..I was in Cobu from 80-84....but there are brethren here that have been in for 15 to 18 years..and you have been erring all over them for that long...so go cry on someone elses shoulder..and by the way, 25 years? the FF started in 1971 and this meeting takes place in the year 1989, that's 18 years, Are you saying that you were teaching error for 7 years before you started your 18 years of error with us?....and had he not rescued me as he rescued you a short while ago... I wonder what would have become of you...it was that bad. Getting that bad...this has been a stumbling block for all of us including me.."This has been a stumbling block" what has been a stumbling block? Your teaching?...then step down....I still don't get it ....you're the guy doing all the bad stuff...did you also transmigrate into the audience and into the brothers meetings and become a victim of yourself?...help me out here....Is there some cosmic something that's hurting everybody including you? poison talk... ď God gives you what you need to get started and then" itís up to youĒ .Well that's what you taught us for 18 years...I thought God talked to you...my my ...look...how easily everyone is returning now..how easily!(yes). Why is it so easy? They are returning so easy. Because Heís doing it(yes..yeah)He 's doing it? God is drawing them back to this? You're still in charge. you're still pitching the same ambiguous teaching....(Since it is 10 years later and they are not so easily returning..what do you think of this statement now...True or False? Was it God or You?.And all this error...he is overlooking as it were and bringing us back... but enough is enough."Us" back?" not so fast Issachar(sp)! You're different from the sheep in this room. You are a shepherd.... Remember? there is a different standard for you. Putting to death ďI can do this part over here myself.Ē I can see that working in me. Thats what the brothers...and I would forever teach about Samson...and I am the most..You see....Samson..."I can do it myself"..."Works".and Iím not a hypocrite...Iím not a hypocrite...you understand this?Who brought this up? No one thinks you're a hypocrite. An erring , abusive false Teacher, but not a Hypocrite. Even if you did live by different rules, lived in a better house, had better food, got to do your interests, got married, twice, met your goals by burdening other's shoulders.....Hmmmm....I think maybe.Hypocrite might fit here. (yeah) you donít get that.(yes) How many of you donít? He doesnít. How many donít understand that? Gayle how bout you defend me...Yeah Gayle...we trust you
Gayle : because um in teaching about Samsom the way that Stewart
Stewart: while I just....I did it in ignorance Ignorance? you blind guide
Gayle: Yeah the way he was doing it himself...
Stewart: a hypocrite knows he was True...eh
..you didn't know you were abusing us all these years?...this
is worse than I thought
Brothers and sisters: right yes yeah
Gayle: Nobody was telling him ďLook, yer doing it this way..and there was nobody telling him.... "Nobody Told him"...ehh "honest Officer, my 5 year old son didn't tell me my beating him was wrong so I kept doing it." So you're innocent..huh? "For him who knows what is right to do , and fails to do it, for him it is sin." So you're ignorant, therefore guiltless therefore..Let's pack it up Brothers and Sisters...nothing wrong here...no more to see...shows over..
Sister 1: Nobody tried telling Stewart before? I just find it hard to believe me too
Stewart: Letís hear it.
Sister 1: I donít want to be judgmental Judge with right judgment..
Stew: yeah Letís hear it
Sister 1: I find it hard to believe ..So many brothers talked about
it...I was always under
the impression that they wrote you letters and tried to tell you, I mean thatís what I always
heard..........and I donít even know the whole truth, but David Wilkerson told brothers and sisters that
he tried to talk to you and that you wouldnít listen to him, I donít want to be judgmental,
I know I have a lot of faults too..I just think you had to have some clue..you pushed
everybody away and made it so hard for everyone to talk to you
Stewart: And youíre glad I did arenít you? What kind of a question is that? What kind of an attitude is that? Gayle? Does Stewart treat you like this at home?Where does a question like this come from? Seems like you're pushing the sister away now. Are you upset that someone has interupted your sales pitch. Sorry ...don't let us interrupt...you go ahead....your floor...quiet everyone
Sister 1: yeah but I..
Stewart: Listen..,Letís start over..you said ďA lot of brothers and
sisters think about this..No they donít. They never never never thought
that this was bad. No they never thought ....they thought there was something
wrong of course! Of Course! thereís someth.. they didnít think anything
of this. And neither did I. You are re-phrasing the
sisters question. The truth is a lot of brothers and sisters did think
about this. And a lot were afraid to tell you because of the typical way
you treat desenters. And some did try to tell you in the early days..I
can get a list if you want...No, no brother..this one's on you. You are
switching the basis around so you can answer the question on your terms.
By the way, why should anyone be listen to your explanation? You are in
error. you said it yourself. Are you now saying "God mopped up the mess
my spirit made, it wasn't me, and so everything is peachy, I can
still teach.?" One would think you would be too guilty and ashamed to even
speak. And here you are telling this sister and us the answers, just like
the last 18 years. How is this going to help us "transfer our allegiance
from your spirit to God's spirit?" Huh.?..same old Stew. To quote
you "They knew something was wrong." How do you know they knew something
was wrong? And if you did know they knew...why didn't you do something
about it? You don't seem so ignorant or innocent anymore.
Now you say didnít anyone try to talk to me. Well friends like him.ďHow you have helped me,ĒNow you can't have it both ways. First you say or Gayle said "Nobody told him"...Now you say some people did. And you quote another Job verse....You are not in the role of Job here..stick to the script...You are either erring repentant Stewart or TutorOldCovenantMan transforming into NewCovenantGrace Man...(very confusing).. and David Wilkerson...well I donít remember..this was 25 years ago? 18 years ago(yeah) And if my old wine is this bad what must the new wine have been? So if you are really mess up now then you were a basket case back then when others were telling you that you were going the wrong way...got it..just checking..Okay ..you're Erring Repentant Stewart...got it..It would help if you would grieve openly ..just a little bit...You're too pushy right now..Try a teary- eyed choked up approach.I donít know what I was doing with him...I don't remember anyway .I donít know what I was trying to say..it maybe as bad as him..I donít know.so we are back to ignorance there is this also. Me and other Christians. You know that scripture ď Woe to him who is alone when he falls.Ē(yes) Well I know that scripture, you donít. I know that now. You donít know what that means.Okay I said teary-eyed choked up...not pitiful ...How you know if we know what it is or what it is not like to be alone?.Alone like you? Well..that's true ...we didn't push everyone away for 25 years. Do you have any idea what it is like to try fellowshipping with you? Sorry Stewart..but this is pathetic...You didn't and don't want correction, You don't want to share the leadership, you don't want to submit to the brothers fellowship. We confessed our sins to one another and prayed for one another. You could have come to us. You're alone cuz you chose to be alone. i think I learned that phrase from you. Oh and in the near future you are going to get a phone call from a brother inviting you to come clean at the brothers meeting. I suggest you accept the invitation instead of hanging up on him.Why am I alone? Why is it that there is no fellowship between me and other Christians?don't you remember? You critisized Christians left and right, up and down. Remember CCC's? Contentious Church Christians? Remember how you would mock them at meetings? they would stand and ask questions or try to make a point and you would fall over on the floor and mock them to silence. First of all, I gave up long ago. That was my sincere claim. But why , what was the trouble in the first place? Perhaps it was..while insisting...perhaps they were trying to land me with grace..now I doubt it...now I doubt it. But! it may have been, that may have been the case. Perhaps someone did somewhere, had to have been way back. Perhaps someone did try. Perhaps someone noticed. I have no way of dealing with it. No memory no..You haven't been reading Bill Clinton's grand jury testimony...oh sorry...you'll understand my comment 10 years from now....I repeat what I said , I think if you showed this, they would murmur nice things instead of throw up. What do you think?(yes yeah) Well try it! Try whoever can..you want to..
Brother 1: I did show somebody and they thought it was wonderful..
Stewart: I am afraid thatís what would happen...I am afraid thatís what
But you know , but you know it isnít right to do really. Because then it is to their shame. Yer just sticking pins in em. And even if you then try to argue and correct them as I might have done 20, 25 years ago tried to do...for an argument , to learn, some such thing...See ...this is confusing...Gayle said "nobody told him(you)" but there is this mysterious "they " and "them". that you don't want to stick pins in Letís hear some more what you find hard to believe..cuz I do too. You see brothers and sisters , Stewart is in the same boat as us. He finds things hard to believe too. Note though that he is still leading the meeting.
Sister 2: I find it hard to believe...how I often...and we all so often say ďBy the Grace of God....and hearing you speak to us...I now see how those words were empty
Stewart: thatís right
Sister 2: I wasnít conscience of what I was really saying, just what I was taught
Stewart: And who is the emptiest of all....me..Right here you should break down into tears..maybe go into your unhappy childhood..Poor Ole Stewart....WAKE UP !!! YOU TAUGHT US THE EMPTINESS you manufactured it..I was devoid , I was unconscience of grace. I really wonder if some of you were more aware of grace than I. I really think so because itís zero with me. then you have a lot of repenting to do
Sister 3 : I remember too
Stewart: There might as well not been the word in the bible. You never heard me say 2 words. Did you ever discuss grace, anyone of you?(yes) Wait a minute, wait a minute, sheís first anyway, wait a minute, listen , did any of you , just raise your hand, did any of you discuss grace a year ago and more with anybody? Well then yer way ahead of me!... way ahead right there. Because , to you , the word existed and thatís way ahead of me. Okay...a mixture of ignorance and pity here..you taught the Bible to us for 18 years(side note...you keep saying 25 years...let's see 1989 minus 25...you got saved in 1964? hmmm...and you met Skip and Patty and Neil in 71 , 72? I'd like to know your story from 64- 71) So you taught us , completely ignorant of grace. did you ever get born again? God does pour His Spirit into our hearts and the Counselor guides us into all the truth. And the pity thing...."You're way ahead of me"...Oh gosh, everyone....Stewart is behind..he is weaker than we...He doesn't understand grace like we do... Then why don't you sit down right now and let one of these brothers speak now.. you could learn something.
Sister 3: I remember about 10 years ago..um the sisters and brothers
in New York found
some Brother Monbleau ..Wayne Monbleau..and his whole teaching was based on
grace..the grace of God..and they would all talk about the grace of God and everybody
there, everybody in New York would like mock them and put them down and ..I really donít
know.... that's what I remember
Bobby Whiple: I just heard him on the radio
Bobby: I just heard him on the radio on the way here , I don't know , some of the things he says...
Bobby:: He does speak of the grace of God
Stewart: you know something else even more appalling? All these subjects,
many of the subjects dealing with Godís grace are in fact fairly accurately
dealt with here, everything around grace, but grace doesnít exist.Okay...so
the word grace didn't exist for you and you taught and you wrote and taught
accurately about grace, but grace itself didn't exist. Is anyone following
.thatís thatís more amazing Godís love is in here all over and Relying on Him....you see God was eh ..heh..I guess ah..I guess they are all running out now..itís getting too boring...(nooooo) apparently(no)old habit...you know some brothers and sisters do leave your presence for legitimate reasons sometimes...While you're repenting for teaching false doctrine, try repenting for this ego of yours.. Listen..God was revealing to me over some time when I said ya know back Jan 1 when I said ďHe was restoring me too, I didnít know the tenth of it, I didnít know the tenth of it.restoring you? so you backslid or fell? does this include your behavior toward the sisters at Princeton? Nevertheless um Gayle has been reading the bible studies recently, all the bible studies and see how its working towards grace and the subjects around it.... hard to even say...I donít know what the sessions are...I knew I didnít know what they were...God was bringing us to the real basis. Okay ...NOOoooW.... the teaching was good. But I thought Grace didn't exist for you? How could your old bible studies be good and leading to grace? And ..once again you're saying that God sanctioned this teaching, this error you are suppose to be repenting from.
I was selling righteousness comes from faith...therefore...itís through faith, not from or by. you were selling alright...when are you not selling? Sorry to bring this up...I know you're busy with your thing...but Hebrews 11 has "By Faith" all over it.....and are you telling us now that if we would have just fixed the "By, Through, From" word problem, none of this error would have ever taken place? I could just kick myself!
Victor Trapani: I have a question, When I was younger in Jesus I would
meet a lot of
other Christians and I would hear them talk about this exact thing about the grace of God,
and even though they would tell me about it I would say I understood it, it never really
clicked until 2 months ago, so I think it was Jesus Himself revealing it to me personally at
the time when He chose to
Stewart: All right whenever you say that that you also have to come
back to the other side, itís also my spirit pushing it out of you and saying
ďdonít listen to thatĒ(yeah..yes)How much of that was it too?(yeah yes)
You know there are ways
..different ways to look at it. Hey Victor, here is another way to look at it.... Stew, It wasn't "your spirit" pushing it out of us. It was YOU, YOU,YOU! And what were you pushing out of us and telling us not to listen to?Messages of grace and messengers of the Grace of God. So which is it? Ignorance or are you lying right now?
Brother 2: I remember I used to read alot of Charles Spurgeon and heíd
talk about grace,
and I would just think ď well itís 100 years later Jesus has showed us more now
Brother 3:I think he must be in error...ya know thatís what I would
thatís what I would
think ...somehow ..I would really wonder about what you would say about what he said
Stewart: How much is it I could clamor and I could gallop and
skip along in my merry way and the brothers couldnít keep up with me(a
lot a wholel ot) It was my merry way..that is in what I was doing wrong.Define
"Merry way".... Was it the "error" or the "tutor" thing?... and... "doing
wrong"...you mean sin right? Sin agianst the brothers right? You
know , in a brothers meeting you couldn't get away with all this talking.
We were taught to say "stop making speeches Brother...and make it right
with the body." ..donít forget also..Jesus used me a lot (yes...sure)
in spite but it was in spite Okay Jesus used you
in spite of what? Your sin? I thought your merry way is what's in error....and
if that isnít His grace..according to the bible what is? Hey
, I thought we were suppose to know more about grace than you. His
kindness ya know.. His grace was extended to us while we were enemies..You
got the verse wrong I think. Romans 5:6-11 and it's speaking about us before
we got saved...before the new birth. We are no longer enemies of God ,...
haven't been for years. Speak for yourself..Now, we must really
get into grace(yeah yes) I mean really....try this saying...There is something
to this...Now Grace, Faith and spirit, small S, these three abide, but
the greatest of these is grace....small S....small S eh..weĒll have to
get into that. Look everyone, here is a fella who,
only paragraphs ago said grace didn't exist for him. And now he is re-writing
the bible. Amazing how these over-achievers bounce back. When are you going
to stop teaching and ask us to forgive you? Wine is treacherous....meaning?...Now
hereís what happens...Letís take those three...Grace, Faith, and spirit...thereís
a lot of, are you paying attention, (yes) Thereís all of churches overboard
on spirit matters. You now know of a church overboard on faith.
Okay so Cobu is overboard on faith....You have lost your mind. First of
All... Faith has to be in something or someone. "Overboard on faith in________?
Faith in Ourselves? Faith in Jesus?Real faith in Jesus you can't have enough
of ..right? You are doing it again..... Brethren, Stewart is talking about
"Works" but he is blaming "faith" ...Faith = Works...hmm...How rediculous
a notion "Relying on Faith" instead of relying on Jesus. it's like " Hey
brother , I have faith in my faith...or...I believe in my beliefs...just
stop teaching and repent....there are in fact apparently, recently
I have been inquiring, that there are some overboard on grace, say it isn't
so to the extent that they to the extent that they claim to do away with
baptism. you know you can be lopsided any way? I
think what you are saying is churches can take advantage of God using a
misconception of Faith , Grace and Spirit. But don't talk like Real Faith,
Real grace and Real manifestations of the Spirit are bad. (yeah)
Nevertheless those 3 exist.... Grace , faith and spirit..all of them are
important. And they have to be in the right balance. And they certainly
havenít been here...and therefore I have no idea, I have no idea in the
light of the truth I have no idea about other churches, you know I have
to say that...I have no idea...because anyway I would have looked at them,
would have been in error. Follow? (yes) spirit had better not be the basis,
because itís just an anything goes..Faith canít be the basis because then
itís hard work.Are you listening to yourself?" Faith
is hard work? . guess I should tear out Galatians 3. And Galatians 4...heck
just tear out the whole letter. Grace is the basis. Itís not on
the basis of works but of grace. So Faith=Works Grace
must be the basis. Anyways....Romans 10 ď...a zeal for God but it is not
enlightened.Ē speaking of the Jews....I have heard it said ďAm I some sort
of Old Testament character..well actually you
started those rumors..Remember when you said stuff like "I might have the
spirit of Elijah...and things like that...believe me...we didn't think
this stuff up on our own...maybe thereís something to that...being
ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God and seeking to establish
their own...now..that had to be true of me...to some extent...partly the
problem ignorance, non-enlightened Samaritan doing both at once...Whaaaaaaah?.I
began speaking about relying on Jesus...The big thing is that you have
to remove the phony relying on faith before you could actually rely on
Jesus..You're cuckoo! Yeah Bro..I'm having faith
in my faith..How much are you relying on Faith?(weak muttering)
We don't know because that is a stupid questionYou see, in other
words, hereís another explanation. In some sense or other I have a framework
somehow, that I can keep going...does that make any sense?NO..That
you donít have. I wasnít seeing grace, Nevertheless I could include enough
of it enough of what.?..grace?..I
thought you were ignorant in some sort of pseudo-framework
to ah..keep going..enough to ah seem right...got it?(yes)NO
How can you rely on Jesus with some sort of ďItís up to meĒ feeling?sounds
like yer talking about works( canít)..contradictory....now a double
problem...yanking grace out of scripture.who wants
to yank grace out of scripture?and I thought the word didn't exist for
you..especially out of those three, Grace , faith and spirit...yank
grace out....youíve done 2 things, 2 problems. First , youíve changed...by
removing grace...whatís left is changed...but itís also damaged. You canít
yank something out of something without damaging whatís left...its its..there
are two things...thereís a vacuum....and thereís damage. Do you follow?
(yes)...sounds like you're not going to repent from
your ambiguous teaching style..it's like you are applying physics to the
bible.You can see that having happened. That is , violence has been
done to faith and spirit too! And then....the actual wrong came in which
is relying on faith.....to the point(sighing) I was right...you are saved
by faith, by the way thatís in the summary....itís both. Twice, we are
saved by faith, donít you people
ever check your bible?(yes) HOW DARE YOU!!
I wonder if you have more appreciation of the working of Godís grace
among us now?(yes) Grace enough to overcome this sin.What
sin? Whose sin? Where sin abounds , grace abounds all the more.
Shall we therefore sin...God knows that I did it in ignorance.How
do we know that God knows.?.you did what in ignorance?..I didnít
plan this...I assume that you all know that(yes) You
didn't plan WHAT? If you did all this in ignorance then you did not
sin. He who knows what is right to do...What about another explanation.....as
he said.. without such a foundation..means that there is no framework,
there is no sight of the framework....everything is sort of disconnected
in a strange feeling kinda way, and every week it is a new direction and
teaching and it isnít connected to the foundation, the basis which is grace....which
is the way it must be.....minus grace ..all the good things are floating.
And how do you ever tie them together? Well you couldnít but I quote could.
In some sort of a running on automatic pilot....do you start to get a picture?(yes)Yeah
..I get the picture...The plane was flying itself while you were in the
darkroom with the sisters..got it..continue please.. Thereís no
confidence therefore...confidence is a Big word....big....or..as it is
written...Ēhow come they never marry.?Ē.....for that one alone I repent...for
that one alone....Because you have to be like Stewart first(yeah)..Oh
my goodness..Stewart used the "R" word. After 6 pages of teaching..you
finally said the "R" word. Here is your chance to use the "I" and
the "S" words and the "W" and the "Y", "F","M" words too. As in I'm Sorry,
Will you forgive me? "You must be like Stewart" first comment means you
admit that you are the primary reason the Brothers never married. Good
news brothers...Stewart isn't going to teach error anymore in this regard....so
gentlemen...start your relationships! His repentance means that there should
be a significant number of marriages in the next few months...and
the amazing marriage that He has given me...which is near per...not me.....Iím
far from perfect..in fact, Gayle is close to perfect...did you ever hear..I
heard some of you people say ď Sheís not , sheís like not human.Ē(yes laughing)
that marriage itself is nothing but the grace of God. Nothing but. In fact
she looked up and found, ď He who finds a wifeĒ, itís very close, by the
way, grace , what is grace? weíll have to get into that(undeserved ..undeserved
mercy) hold it hold it hold it, that is the stupidest thing there
is, I say , with my fervent spirit, undeserved mercy...that is stupid to
talk like that, because mercy is never mercy if it is deserved....so youíre saying mercy is mercy yeah ..and you're saying faith is works...so we're even...when youíre saying Mercy is undeserved mercy.....fix your brain! give it back first.in order for to be
mercy otherwise grace would no longer be grace...in order to be mercy it canít be deserved...or it isnít mercy...What is this stupid undeserved mercy...and that is what people say!!(yeah yeah)Listen Listen..it doesnít even make sense...just in words.....Oh maybe you do deserve some other kind of mercy..do you?(nooo)well..what is this? now think about it....You know I havenít lost my confidence..my confidence is in Jesus...now where it should have been all along but it wasnít .You sound like the same ole Stew to me and therefore will confidently say that...what is this undeserved mercy? Get your head screwed on! gosh we're dumb...teach us more Noo?! (yes) Now think about it... Mercy is mercy is all yer sayin.....you donít get it?(yeyyss..noo)If eh rather Grace is mercy..yer saying Grace is mercy yer saying Grace equals mercy and it doesnít....They are two different things....Grace is something...and it is certainly undeserved as all mercy is..or it wouldnít be mercy..Wait a minute..you said Grace wasn't mercy...could you repeat that?..now anyway..anyway...um..anyway...what was I saying before about that...oh yeah ďhe who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor, From the Lord..see current members, Stew is okay with marriage, he is even quoting scripture that says God thinks it's a neat idea too! now grace is close to favor.who says?..close...itís not...but thats approach..thatís one of the words that are around grace...that youíve found favor...that He has extended his grace ..although the grace of God and the grace of Jesus Christ too ya know,by the way, two different things.sounds like we are gonna get 17 more years of deep teaching...so plan on another Starting Over Meeting...we gotta get into this..do you still use the color code?.see somehow I got saved...you don't seem sure And I still think I got saved...I still think I got saved. did I get saved two weeks ago? Well I think I have to say I got saved 25 years ago...I think... but thatís another matter...I got saved or whatever..I got saved or whatever.?..."I got saved or WHATEVER? ..."Yeah ..(yawn) no big deal...got saved...Jesus died(takes a bite of his sandwich...mouth now full) YehGI I GOT Soved thum time back there...whatever"..and right away...right away...ahh....again you know, ..thereís another thing. I bought a bill of goods in a way ..because what does everybody do...you get saved....and then you go to church...and thatís about it....anyway..ahh..something like that..I got saved and I lost interest in ..thats ..I donít remember doing it , Iím saying...I must have something like lost
interest in salvation."I Lost interest in (snapping his fingers...trying to remember) oh... yeah Salvation..it was no longer interesting...now well itís over..I mean ah...and I must have been acting something like that...perhaps having bought that picked that up..who knows..anyway...thatís something...in that area...well all right itís no longer interesting....so now Iíll get in the Old Testament now Iíll start interpreting...and thatís what happened...it was a process..iin the process since....and got into interpreting this and interpreting that and and Matthew 24....meanwhile the most important teaching of all, salvation, and the most important part of the most important teaching was nowhere. An nobody noticed.Hey Everybody, Stewart is telling us his testimony. Are there 3000 here?....Ah...Stewart..umm..The most important part was there...How do you think we understood salvation enough to get saved? What do you think we were telling people on the street? What were the 12 Salvation verses? What was the John 3 ART SHOW ABOUT...FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! And your last comment..."Nobody noticed"....guess it was our fault...We Repent!
Now , in a nutshell, thatís a process sense...dya follow?(yes) thatís partly what happened....Yes..eh..Gayle thought studying Matthew 24 would do that...over the years ..how many secretly dreaded it because fear ďI could loose my salvation, with such an extreme testing , will I make it?(yeah yeashyes)Ē....Why even ask the question? You're not stupid. You know how we reacted to Matthew 24...and Revelation to John...and all your end times hammering. You were there and so were we. Wow...Gayle thought studying Matt 24 over and over like that would have that effect huh? . Could you thank her for putting down her Rocket Science Textbook long enough to make that observation?
and you know itís the brothers ...again...that may ..that particular one was even worse with the sisters...perhaps...there feeling reaction to it might be worse.A reference to the sisters in Princeton..no doubt but ya know itís still the brothers...If ..if our life is based on works...that faith becomes works somehow.in your world..thatís just it ..it is more telling on the brothers...and itís the brothers therefore that um...thatís why I have been speaking of the brothers being set free...think itís true? (yes)...Without grace youíre on a crossing your fingers basis. I asked a while ago ďAre you trying to talk Jesus into saving you?Ē Remember..(yes) trying to convince him into saving you. (yes) my goodness..This would be a good time to say...."And I'm really really sorry Brothers...Will you forgive me?.
Ya know the whole while, I never tried to take Jesus place.who brought this up?.no way and was always speaking against it...and yet thatís what the devil arranged.So it's the devil's fault..now think about it...something like that in effect....Without grace the chain of how connects everything to Jesus is broken. Ambiguous So all becomes mysterious.you got that right.grace is meant to be the framework, format....Iím saying "salvation is a gift while under the counter you have to earn it by faith." Why donít the brothers marry, because they have no confidence. Why donít they have confidence, because of their impossible task..Translation::: You're not married because I taught you that you have to be like me first which is an impossible task..so blame me for you not being married by age 36, 37, 47, 52. Yeah, I'm the guy who wasted 18 years of your life when you could have been married with children and the blessings God intended for you in this way. Hey Stewart...I think this would be a really good time for you to ....you know what..what do you think of that brothers?...(yes yeah makes a lot of sense)...
Brother 4: Many of the ones that are married , their marriage aren't
very good because of the
Faith has almost become almost an end in itself ...howís that?(yeas) one of the translations calls it the instrument...the tool....by the way But I wonder ..Gayle? there are of course a lot of salvation tracts floating around ..you pick em up right?(yes) Are they all the very same thing?(pretty much) that I tís faith, faith, faith, that itís never grace? (nooo, itís grace yeah grace) itís grace? (yeah yes yeah)....I picked one up..I saw one yesterday, it was zero grace....or a few days ago there certainly must be grace.... It's really bad to be into Faith in God....Bad Faith...Bad!
Brother 5: isnít even the King James translation...donít they even word
it, donít they say...
ďit is through grace you are saved by faith?
Stewart: Yeah..same thing..thatís Revised...same thing...
(noo no, itís by grace ..)
Stewart: say again...say again..I canít hear ya
Brother 5:: I thought the kings James Version as I have seen it on those
tracts.said. ďBy Grace
you have been saved through faith..the KJV
(wait..wait...you changed it ...you said it differently the first time)
Stewart : It says "by" ..Iíll bet ya..it says by grace through
faith..(right) Faith is the lesser and Grace is the greater, doesnít matter
what translation...(yeah) thatíll come out...Grace is the basis... ..all
the faith in the world...if He doesnít extend His grace....Now ..thatís
jumping the gun... without grace as the basis...Be zealous to confirm your
call and election becomes trying to convince Jesus to save you(yes)...
because the fact that nobody is picking up on grace.. and you havenít been...You
havenít been picking up on it... the fact that nobodyís been picking up
on it...as much as I have already gone into it...shows how
deeply everyone is into ďFaith, itís up to meĒecetera...instilled in...think a that... Now I get it..you're the one responsible for teaching us Works in the guise of Faith.
There is no receiving His grace with thanksgiving.... which is almost
the basis of Christian life....Christian Life..thatís right...whereís Orange...now..no
grace...Does the word grace appear anywhere...just the word...let alone
...Iíll bet it doesnít...Place your bets.Things
we looked at...it doesnít...We got a long way to go people ..are you getting
restless?(noooo) Notice there is a lot of running out..(yes...maybe take
a 10 minute break....) Itís 5:00 now....We can either keep going or take
a break or break for supper(brwaksupp 10min keep)Well...well...we could
take a vote..remembering that for freedom(everyone together) Christ has
set us free(thank you Jesus) whatís the rest though..(everyone) Stand fast
therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.) To a Yoke of (slavery)
To a yoke of salvation by faith or works..Our freedom
in Christ has been reduced to voting on a 10 minute break or a supper break...
notice how Stew interchanges Faith and Works here too?.. Are the
brothers starting to realize how Jesus is starting to set all of US free?You
stress "Us" ...Little Stew is just one of the Sheep(yeees) how many
are only starting to? how many think they half understand it pretty much?...well...thatís
getting there...Now letís vote...on the break or keep going....keep going
such as...I mean I donít want to dwell on me..but aah...up to a point itís
important...the way I have operated...my spirit.....what God is doing with
me...how Heís been leading me..but you said God was
leading you the last 18 years. Why should we believe that God is leading
you now? because you say so?.and then finally ...the right view
and balance thatís a big one..what is the right ..what is right then?...
well starting that... and about grace... and other smaller...or should
we take a break?....(take a break) or should we take supper?
( supper)... What is Godís will?( go a little further)(Why donít we take a vote?)
you see when you sing amazing grace...doesnít really hit you huh?sell Stew Sell!(yes it does..no, no)take a vote on it then(yes)...how many say we break for supper now? how many say we take a 10 minute break?...How many say no break and no supper?(laughter) Well itís pretty obvious that most want a break....(yes) right?(yes) so everybody vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break(yeah) is supper ready?
Vinnie: Yeah ...if were gonna have a break I think it should be for
supper, because if we
go on to 7:00 its ahh it makes things..hard..the food will be getting messed up(laughter)
okay you ready? how is that pure Vinnieand our fellowship? Well ...life and actions are to be interpreted in terms of the nearest circumstance only and we must act on the basis of the closest circumstance....never raise up our eyes into the context of greater things....ahh now supper is pretty great thatís true but but..(laughter) there may be even greater things...pitiful little ďitís gonna get messed up.Ē (laughter)....Take courage Vinnie! Take courage(laughter) see Iím strengthening the brothers!(laughter) Take courage...Funny..so Funny..inconfident, unmarried older brother Vinnie, strengthened mockingly by the man who made him that way. Hha ha ha..How do you feel..Vinnie?
Vinnie: stupid thing I said...
Brother: (to Vinnie)Don't worry yeah Vinnie, don't worry, Stew repented. This is a Grace Meeting. Cheer Up..There are great times ahead
Listen ah..letís all vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break...Are
we all ready? (yes) How many say a supper break now?(clamor) well..and
how many say a 10 minute break? well they lost(laughing) Well since itís
everybody and I donít know a reason why to do otherwise..maybe a supper
break..we can agree on that then( yes) what do you think?
(yes) what do you think about this meeting?(praise God thank you Jesus....)
Never would have thought of it... (nooo) There is an air of "Boy ..we all got fooled...ALL of US right? I'm just one of the fooled, in fact, I'm more of a victim than any of you, and I'm lonlier too.(sniffle)
Denny Dennison: I always thought that we consciencely as a fellowship
never got into grace because of the potential to take advantage which I always saw in the
Stewart: Hey..thereís a huge potential to take advantage..but tough
luck ..that is the route
we must go(yes) cuz thatís the bible route...that is...yes there is a huge potential...weíll
have to get into that...you never would have thought this...itís a big surprise(yes)....
Brother 6: yeah ..we went to see a brothers last night in brighton beach
Stewart: Canít hear a word yer mumbling...
Brother 6: okay We went to see some brothers in Brighton Beach last
night and I
remembering saying ďyo ..Jesus is...brother Stewart Jesus has been saving him
Stewart: already did at least two weeks ago(thank you Jesus)..His grace is greater than my shame or my errorThere is that word "error" again..and shame too. Hmmm get ready for snow...(thank you Jesus...yeahpraise God) the next time youíre afraid to make a mistake.sell..because youíre afraid to sell, in sincerity,sell do what really looks ruuu sell..do what really looks right sell, really checked.sell.eh really looks right.sell..His grace if if ya are wrong His grace is greater anyway SOLD!!(thank you Jesus) TWENTY FIVE YEARS OF ERROR.? you try to beat that (laughter) 25 years of colossal error....to clarify ..it was 25 years of your colossal error..and 18 years of us living under it and getting damaged by it , hurt by it, destroyed by it.Can we beat that? Yeah we can beat that. Remember ...your Error wasn't meeted out on lab rats. You're looking at the fruit of your error. Do you think the Leaders of the former Soviet Union ever stood in line for toilet paper or food? How many Soviet leaders were imprisoned, tortured or murdered? I guess they could say "I lived in the Soviet Union under communism. it was a terrible system. long lines , no human rights, KGB, torture, murder. A terrible opressive system.....Well ..yeah..I was one of the leaders but hey..I am as much or more a victim than the ones I imprisoned."
Brother 7: I read about..
Stewart: this is no little point..(yeah) Sonya says I should expound
on grace more..remember? Thatís the ans ah taloowa..youíre the one ..expound
on grace more..he ha ..thatís the answer huh? MYYYYY...itís an awful lot
more than that...this mortal sin...I thought that was a big deal..I made
a mistake...I did...Ha I thought that I was... I bought a bill of goods.that
was awful..I got suckered by Jesus into a raw deal.but
that wasnít even the tip of the iceberg...remember that?(yes) once in a
lifetime bible study I called it..remember?(yes)Oh my goodness....It is
very very hard... a month from now you try to picture somebody...actually
being oblivious to grace...and is fervent in Jesus as I have been...and
put that together...a month from now ..you try and figure that out..impossible.are
you trying to get us to marvel at you?...which leads you to wonder...God
purposely made me blind to it..So it's God's fault."so
I am not responsible"(stewart in a mocking tone)..eh pa..purposely made
me blind to it..etc.. but ah....needs to understand when I said Iím glad
itís that bad because itís proof ..itís my written evidence..what I already
know in my spirit...that I didnít do it... I did it in ignorance...thereís
the proof....itís not there...if it was half there messed up...that might
make me wonder....so Iím glad itís that bad...itís zero...you donít get
it huh?So your writings, workbooks, bible studies
show your ignorance to Grace...okay...you're in the clear....what a relief...nevermind
the destruction all around you..(yeas) a lot more to it...what
do you think about this..(thank you Jesus....) later we will have to discuss
your forgiveness of me or the lack of it...thatís a subject.US
FORGIVING YOU IS A SUBJECT? Are you insane? You are going to teach
us about forgiving you? I don't recall ever seeing this behavior in the
bible. Tune in tomorrow when Stewart Traill will teach us how to forgive
him ....Here are my 12 memory points for forgiving Stewart 1) Remember...Stewart
is ignorant 2) Remember all the good Stewart has done, but still
3) God is already leading Stewart, already working on and through him, so back off! 4) Stewart is more of a victim of the "Error" than any of us 5) It's all God's fault, I mean, Will and Stewart was just being a good tutor 6) "Nobody told him" he was going the wrong way(even though he said God spoke to him on a regular basis 7) Remember that Stewart is the only one who can fly the plane..8) Remember that although you're not married and Stewart takes responsibilty for you not being married...Stew did repent...so expect a high volume of weddings in the near future 9) Faith is hard work 10) God purposely blinded Stewart so maybe Stewart is Paul 11) we were kept in restraint, so Stewart might be Moses 12) Stewart might be Job or Elijah...or someone really important so forgive him or else!... now are we all ready to pray together?(yes)..well...I am...
Brother 7: itís gonna take a while to digest... or throw up
Brother 8:: For me , it shows how much Jesus loves you fiercely.. where did you learn to talk like that?
Stewart: Boy ...that is my hope right there...it is said ďHe has
become my salvationĒ....that
I dare trust him...what He has done for me...even through this.... ???
Brother 9: Seems to me, like a beginning, a beginning of a better relationship
and with each other(yes) Don't count on it
Stewart: based on the sufficiency of His grace(thank you Jesus)
Lauren Albrecht: Iím not sure but I, I heard that the man that wrote
Jesus gave the words to Amazing Grace, that he was a Christian for a long time and came
to the realization that he was on the wrong basis..and that..
Lauren: God gave him the words that God marked him with Amazing Grace
Brother 10: thereís a little more than that..
Stewart: is that right?
Brother 11: Actually...he was a seafarer.. and he dealt in slavery,
he was a Christian and
he backslid very grossly and he came back to God and the last part of his life, he was
extremely faithful..and close to Jesus but he used to deal in slavery
Bobby Whipple: He was He was in a very serious He was in the Church
of England, they
thought he committed apostasy..they told him he was finished and ah...because of all the
sins that he chose..serious sin he was into when he was in Africa
Brother 11: Drinking and slavery
Bobby: then he uh called out ta, he did call out to God and Jesus forgave
him and thatís
why he wrote the song..Amazing Grace .(wow...thank you Jesus)
Stewart: so you see he..he..again...you know we gotta change everything,...He
to God...he put his faith in Godís grace..
Stewart: and then called out to God....is what yer saying(yeah yeah)
And he knew that thatís
what he was was doing then.....same as me....Letís hear some more brothers and sisters.....
Brother 12 : I know when I was backsliden it seems ah, the times
when I could see Grace
most clearly in fact, ah pretty much the only times that I considered it was when I was the
very most out of it..with the noose around my neck and the rope broke
Brother 13: physically
Brother12 : I considered his grace a lot more than I considered my faith at that point
Stewart: that makes sense
Brother 14: I saw God's grace when He made me trust him with 3 children....and I ...will continue
Stewart: (whispering) that's His mercy..."yeah you Moron!..get it straight!"...Same ole Stew
Brother 15: I think that God has let this happen this long....and what is His plan for us(yeah yes..muttering thank you Jesus)
Bob Muller: It is his grace that brought us safe thus far...(and grace willl bring me home...praise God ..thank you Jesus)
Stewart: You don't have the view that Salvation is over and done with.yeah ...wonder why?.?(starting to..starting to now..muttering) Right kind of view of that... Otherwise Grace would no longer be grace... Amen...see you in another 17 years when everybody is going overboard on Grace.
Brothers and sisters, this is Mike Montoya here. I hope you can see
the many ways Stewart, at this so-called turning point meeting, really
did not express remorse or grief or alarm at the catastrophe he caused.
He never spoke directly to the brothers and said "Brothers, I have been
wrong for the last 18 years, I also was sexually inappropriate toward___
sisters. I am unfit to teach. I am stepping down. He glided past the important
things. He still had the gall to speak in God's name after all this. I
know now from those who were there that he never made things right. Oh,
and the forgiveness he spoke of AT THE END OF THIS SEESSION just before
prayer, He in passing asked everyone in the next session like this, "Oh
by the way, do you all forgive me?" to which the brothers and sisters replied
"Yes" and that was that. Never mind all the brethren he poisoned with his
error who were not there for this gem of a meeting. Never mind all the
brethren who are still suffering from his abuse and teaching. Which reminds
me. Not one word breathed by Stewart about how he treated us. Notice Stewart
Traill's pattern which we have seen all these years. He always goes for
the figure, the answer, the right word, the right formula. Never does he
talk about the inside of his cup. Never does he produce out of his good
treasure, good things. You never get real fruit from this man. No fruit
of the Spirit, I mean. Pray for those inside.