Stewart is in the black print
the ( ) are the voices of the brothers and sisters collectively
Mike Montoya comments will appear in Blue. I know I would not have gotten this much floor time had I actually been there.
By Grace you are saved never by faith ..by grace
You’ve heard it how (often a bunch of times) You were in fact, as Gayle
pointed out, kept in
restraint. You were kept under tutors until this day. Wait
a minute!...Are you saying we are Jews?
There is also, in no way to excuse my error...There is also an amazing
working of God in all this too, not to excuse at all...not to
excuse me at all.....That’s one will have to get into..Sorry
for butting in again ..Are you saying That God is working here.
there is this in Job “ Behold you have instructed many and now it has
come to you.”Okay so you have instructed many, like
Job
and now calamity has come upon you....You innocent
guy you!Doing such a great job and then this happens! Darn! “Nevertheless
if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed...(thank you Jesus)
Thank
you Jesus? Brothers and sisters ...what are you thanking Jesus for.?....Stew
here says first You are Jews under the old covenant finally getting
to the New Covenant...then he says God is working amazingly..then he mentions
"my error" then he is Job suffering unjustly.....Then he claims salvation
in Jesus....I am missing something here?...
.A child as long as he is a child is no better than a slave...he is
under tutors until the day the father
appoints..Got my hand raised here...Stewart ...are
you saying that You and cobu up until March 1989 is like the Jews with
the
law ala Galatians?....when does "your error"
come in".you better be glad you were.were
what?.and there is this too...you better
be glad you were..what?
kept in restraint? kept under tutors? kept under your leadership?.the
alternative is worse..yeah Jesus
can't save anyone by any other means but you
appauling
as this is.you got that right.. If I hadn’t
grabbed you ...what
then?gosh..maybe Jesus would have shown his mercy
to me and saved me in a healthy church and I wouldn't have nightmares
starring you..( saved from my own backsliding...I
might be dead...I might be physically dead) Yet as I said all along..but
my
spirit didn’t mean it ..it’s not me doing it ..it’s God doing it...and
it was! Okay ...time out...I know we are all versed
in
Stewartspeak but come on! You said all along
but your spirit didn't mean it? So you were decieving us. So God is responsible
for this mess huh? You kill me. God was doing
it all along..doing it...hmmm ...you mean saving us tending us?So it wasn't
you?
So where does your error come in?
You’ve all been reading Romans a lot lately(yes).who
told them to read Romans lately...you? Therefore you know the answer
to the question already don't you...cheap theatrics..you’ve
all been reading Romans a lot(yes)..and could not notice this? don't
you remember? ...you are the teacher...nobody
interprets or comes to any conclusions without your stamp of approval you
didn't train us to notice anything except your
teaching...Look , it is clear that God has decided that it is time
for you to transfer
your allegiance, if that’s the word, from my spirit to His Spirit(yes..thank
you Jesus).Wait, wait wait....."God has decided"
He
decided that we call no man Lord, Teacher or
Father a long time ago. You make it seem like God sanctioned Cobu and you
as
tutors and custodians until this appointed time.So
you were not in error...you were doing God's will. Hey everybody ...Let's
thank Jesus for all that Stewart's done, after
all , it was God's will up to this point to pledge allegiance to Stewart's
spirit, which
we did quite well...Oh boy...now we get to go
to God directly....hmmm....guess we are Jews.....but wait a minute...I'm
a
hispanic gentile....God poured His Holy Spirit
into my heart June 30 1975.....I have never been under the law....is this
the error
part..Stew? there are deeply ingrained
ideas and feelings..running wild in our fellowship, many of them directly
or indirectly can
be traced back to my error.bingo! Everything
has to be re-examined.by who?....you
are no longer qualified And this is a good
time to do it....oh yeah ...I forgot...God decided....What
has happened is this..this is another set of..some sort of ah
ah...some
sort of tying my error to your problem..oooh!
you make it seems so difficult....simple adding and subtracting.....brothers
and
sisters in cobu....poisoned...brothers and sisters
out.....healthy christians....Hmmm....who is teaching those strange things
to
those christians in cobu?...I'll let you
have this one..and ..ah..how do you think I’m doing Gayle?.....
Come on Gayle...make him
seem credible
Gayle: I’m not really sure”.. neither are
we
.Stewart: in speaking anyways....
Gayle: ?
Stewart: I have been unable to speak almost right Gayle?
Gayle: yeah
It is again only His grace that I am even physically able to
speak right now..and what was it when you couldn't speak? that is
coherent...I have been a help in many ways..but have torn down in others.yeah..and
Hitler was great for Germany except for
that little Holocaust thing..we have come
to depend on faith instead of Jesus.....by faith....the stress is subtle
yes... “it’s up to
you and your faith”...is that the idea that you have?(yes)If
you're gonna use the Galatians theme, then use the word "works" remember
Faith good...Works bad...."We have come to depend on faith"...."instead
of Jesus?" What? That's the strangest thing I have ever heard .You are
describing "works" but you are using the
word "faith". I can speak for everyone when I
say "our faith was and is in Jesus" We aren't just walking around with
a ball of
faith, hoping to cash it in for a white robe.
You taught us about faith for 17 years. Our ideas about faith came from
you. And
you never talked about Faith being or equal to
WORKS. Have you lost your mind? Some how I cheerily bounded off
with that idea...and the brothers couldn’t keep up with me..welll....if
we did catch up to you...you bashed us .faith in His love but
it’s up to you...somehow...these are absurdities...Why did God allow
this?Wait a minute...I thought we were being kept
in
restraint, ya know with tutors...You
saying we have been believing absurdities? This
must be where you talk about your error..
You think it must be because of wrong in me...”well
yeah..since everything we ever learned came from you...you yourself said
that you erred....so yeah it's the wrong in you(I
know I'm making a big leap here)(yeah,muttering) this illness is
not unto death..it
is for the glory of God”... yer saying that kind of thing?what
illness?...you're not Lazarus...this is not a physical malady...and
Unless...then there’s me ..that's what I have been saying....It
is you . You You You..how can this be? simple...You are in
error....Furthermore....Furthermore.. let us let us erase this whole
meeting now..Jedi mind trick.this has never
happened...I wish
.even so I would not rightly..now again..forget the wrong.What
wrong? God decided..remember? Tutors.... but I was not
rightly strengthening the brothers.yeah..you were wrongly strengthening
us....didn't feel good.. you don’t think so? No ..here I
agree with you....see you say “oh you’ve been so much help.” go ahead
say it...(yeah yes)..Brothers and sisters....Stewart
is
trying to repent for messing us up and here he
is begging us to applaud all the good he has done..it yet
remains it’s not true...I
haven’t been..well No kidding....gosh you're so humble....what then?...Jesus
told the parable...there was a rich man...with a
trunk put all kinds of money in...and the woman put one penny in...now
what’s the point?You got me(guessing) I could
cheerily keep going this way I could..I could cheerily keep going..but
in affect I was just saying to the brothers..what it comes
down to whether I thought I was doing what it comes down to is saying
..”well..it’s up to you..you gotta be faithful”and so
forth. So you going on your merry way is a good
thing? God's Will? and again you are describing works and blaming faith
or
faithfulness. We were and are a very "works"
oriented fellowship. With the charts and color judgement, oh..by the way...thanks
for all that tutoring... So where is strengthening
the brothers the real way? you got me
Strengthening the brothers in faith that
you are his chosen..first and foremost...and I am not ..to my shame.
okay...this
is where you should break down over the tremendous grief you have amassed
for the error and damage and hurt and pain you foisted upon us building
up on the one hand and tearing down with the other.when
were you building up ?....I am willing to give you credit...you were nice
to me when I was a lamb then you targeted me for all the years I lived
in fellowship...bull in a china shop..I hear my friend back there....
it really has been...and
I want you to know something else...are you listening?sales
tactic(yes) you must understand
this.sales tactic.how...hard to believe
again..sales tactic.this is nothing.sales
tactic..there is a real way in which I have been
as or more a victim than you ...now think of
that.I'm thinking ...I'm thinking.....you? a victim? Let's see...who is
abused
you?..you didn’t waste 25 years..well
none of this was a waste.Remember you were tutoring us..restraining us...God
does work everything for the good for those called according to His purpose...Let's
see..I was in Cobu from 80-84....but there are brethren here that have
been in for 20 to 25 years..and you have been erring all over them for
that long...so go cry on someone elses shoulder......and had he
not rescued me as he rescued you a short while ago... I wonder what would
have become of you...it was that bad. Getting that bad...this has been
a stumbling block for all of us including me.."This
has been a stumbling block" what has been a stumbling block? Your teaching?...then
step down....I still don't get it ....you're the guy doing all the bad
stuff...did you also transmigrate into the audience and into the brothers
meetings and become a victim of yourself?...help me out here....Is there
some cosmic something that's hurting everybody including you?
poison talk... “ God gives you what you need to get started and
then" it’s up to you” .Well that's what you taught
us for 17 years...I thought God talked to you...my my ...look...how
easily everyone is returning now..how easily!(yes). Why is it so easy?
They are returning so easy. Because He’s doing it(yes..yeah)He
's doing it? God is drawing them back to this? You're still in charge.
you're still pitching the same ambiguous teaching....(Since it is 10 years
later and they are not so easily returning..what do you think of this statement
now...True or False? Was it God or You?.And all this error...he
is overlooking as it were and bringing us back... but enough is enough."Us
Back?" not so fast Ishichar(sp)! You're different from the sheep in this
room. You are a shepherd.... Remember? there is a different standard for
you. Putting to death “I can do this part over here myself.” I can
see that working in me. Thats what the brothers...and I would forever teach
about Samson...and I am the most..You see....Samson..."I
can do it myself"..."Works".and I’m not a hypocrite...I’m not a
hypocrite...you understand this?Who brought this
up? No one thinks you're a hypocrite. An erring , abusive false Teacher,
but not a Hypocrite. Even if you did live by different rules, lived in
a better house,had better food, got to do your interests,got married, met
your goals by burdening others shoulders.....Hmmmm....I think you'd better
re-examine the word...Hypocrite. (yeah) you don’t get that.(yes)
How many of you don’t? He doesn’t. How many don’t understand that? Gayle
how bout you defend me...Yeah Gayle...we trust you
Gayle : because um in teaching about Samsom the way that Stewart
Stewart: while I just....I did it in ignorance Ignorance? you blind guide
Gayle: Yeah the way he was doing it himself...
Stewart: a hypocrite knows he was True...eh ..you
didn't know you were abusing us all these years?...this is worse than I
thought
Brothers and sisters: rightyes yeah
Gayle: Nobody was telling him “Look, yer doing it this way..and there was nobody telling him.... "Nobody Told him"...ehh "honest Officer, my 5 year old son didn't tell me my beating him was wrong so I kept doing it." So you're innocent..huh? "For him who knows what is right to do , and fails to do it, for him it is sin." So you're ignorant, therefore guiltless therefore..Let's pack it up Brothers and Sisters...nothing wrong here...no more to see...shows over..
Sister 1: Nobody tried telling Stewart before? I just find it hard to believe
Stewart: Let’s hear it.
Sister 1:(I don’t want to be judgmental)..
yeah Let’s hear it
Sister 1: I find it hard to believe ..So many brothers talked about
it...I was always under
the impression that they wrote you letters and tried to tell you, I
mean that’s what I always
heard..........and I don’t even know the whole truth, but David Wilkerson
told brothers and sisters that
he tried to talk to you and that you wouldn’t listen to him, I don’t
want to be judgmental,
I know I have a lot of faults too..I just think you had to have some
clue..you pushed
everybody away and made it so hard for everyone to talk to you
Stewart: And you’re glad I did aren’t you? What kind of a question is that? What kind of an attitude is that? Gayle? Does Stewart treat you like this at home?Where does a question like this come from? Seems like you're pushing the sister away now. Are you upset that someone has interupted your sales pitch. Sorry ...don't let us interrupt...you go ahead....your floor...quiet everyone
Sister 1: yeah but I..
Stewart: Listen..,Let’s start over..you said “A lot of brothers and
sisters think about this..No they don’t. They never never never thought
that this was bad. No they never thought ....they thought there was something
wrong of course! Of Course! there’s someth.. they didn’t think anything
of this. And neither did I.You are re-phrasing the
sisters question. The truth is a lot of brothers and sisters did think
about this. And a lot were afraid to tell you because of the typical way
you treated desenters. And some did try to tell you in the early days..I
can get a list if you want...No, no brother..this one's on you. You are
switching the basis around so you can answer the question on your terms.
By the way, why should anyone be listen to your explanation? You are in
error. you said it yourself. Are you now saying "God mopped up the mess
my spirit made, it wasn't me, and so everything is peachy, I can
still teach.?" One would think you would be too guilty and ashamed to even
speak. And here you are telling this sister and us the answers, just like
the last 17 years. How is this going to help us "transfer our allegiance
from your spirit to God's spirit?" Huh.?..same old Stew. To quote
you "They knew something was wrong." How do you know they knew something
was wrong? And if you did know they knew...why didn't you do something
about it? You don't seem so ignorant or innocent anymore.
Now you say didn’t anyone try to talk to me. Well friends like him.“How
you have helped me,”Now you can't have it both ways.
First you say or Gayle said "Nobody told him"...Now you say some people
did. And you quote another Job verse...I think it's a verse from Job.You
are not in the role of Job here..stick to the script...You are either erring
repentant Stewart or TutorOldCovenantMan transforming into NewCovenantGrace
Man...(very confusing).. and David Wilkerson...well
I
don’t remember..this was 25 years ago?(yeah) And if my old wine is
this bad what must the new wine have been? So
if you are really mess up now then you were a basket case back then when
others were telling you that you were going the wrong way...got it..just
checking..Okay ..you're Erring Repentant Stewart...got it..It would help
if you would grieve openly ..just a little bit...You're too pushy right
now..Try a teary- eyed choked up approach.I don’t know what I was
doing with him...I don't remember anyway .I don’t know what I was trying
to say..it maybe as bad as him..I don’t know.so we
are back to ignorance there is this also. Me and other Christians.
You know that scripture “ Woe to him who is alone when he falls.”(yes)
Well I know that scripture, you don’t. I know that now. You don’t know
what that means.Okay I said teary-eyed choked up...not
pitiful ...How you know if we know what it is or what it is not like
to be alone?.Alone like you? Well..it's true ...we didn't push everyone
away for 25 years. Do you have any idea what it is like to try fellowshipping
with you? Sorry Stewart..but this is pathetic...You didn't and don't want
correction, You don't want to share the leadership, you don't want to submit
to the brothers fellowship. We confessed our sins to one another and prayed
for one another. You could have come to us. You're alone cuz you chose
to be alone. i think I learned that phrase from you. Oh and in the near
future you are going to get a phone call from a brother inviting you to
come clean at the brothers meeting. I suggest you accept the invitation
instead of hanging up on him.Why am I alone? Why is it that there
is no fellowship between me and other Christians?don't
you remember? You critisized Christians left and right, up and down. Remember
CCC's? Contentious Church Christians? Remember how you would mock them
at meetings? they would stand and ask questions or try to make a point
and you would fall over on the floor and mock them to silence. First
of all, I gave up long ago. That was my sincere claim. But why , what was
the trouble in the first place? Perhaps it was..while insisting...perhaps
they were trying to land me with grace..now I doubt it...now I doubt it.
But! it may have been, that may have been the case. Perhaps someone did
somewhere, had to have been way back. Perhaps someone did try. Perhaps
someone noticed. I have no way of dealing with it. No memory no..You
haven't been reading Bill Clinton's grand jury testimony...oh sorry...you'll
understand 10 years from now....I repeat what I said , I think if
you showed this, they would murmur nice things instead of throw up. What
do you think?(yes yeah) Well try it! Try whoever can..you want to..
Brother 1: I did show somebody and they thought it was wonderful..
Stewart: I am afraid that’s what would happen...I am afraid that’s what would happen
But you know , but you know it isn’t right to do really. Because then it is to their shame. Yer just sticking pins in em. And even if you then try to argue and correct them as I might have done 20, 25 years ago tried to do...for an argument , to learn, some such thing...See ...this is confusing...Gayle said "nobody told him(you)" but there is this mysterious "they " and "them". that you don't want to stick pins in Let’s hear some more what you find hard to believe..cuz I do too. You see brothers and sisters , Stewart is in the same boat as us. He finds things hard to believe too. Note though that he is still leading the meeting.
Sister 2: I find it hard to believe...how I often...and we all so often say “By the Grace of God....and hearing you speak to us...I now see how those words were empty
Stewart: that’s right
Sister 2: I wasn’t conscience of what I was really saying, just what I was taught
Stewart: And who is the emptiest of all....me..Right
here you should break down into tears..maybe go into your unhappy childhood..Poor
Ole Stewart....WAKE UP !!! YOU TAUGHT US THE EMPTINESS you manufactured
it..I was devoid , I was unconscience of grace. I really wonder
if some of you were more aware of grace than I. I really think so
because it’s zero with me. then you
have a lot of repenting to do
Sister 3 : I remember too
Stewart: There might as well not been the word in the bible. You never heard me say 2 words. Did you ever discuss grace, anyone of you?(yes) Wait a minute, wait a minute, she’s first anyway, wait a minute, listen , did any of you , just raise your hand, did any of you discuss grace a year ago and more with anybody? Well then yer way ahead of me!... way ahead right there. Because , to you , the word existed and that’s way ahead of me. Okay...a mixture of ignorance and pity here..you taught the Bible to us for 17 years(side note...you keep saying 25 years...let's see 1989 minus 25...you got saved in 1964? hmmm...and you met Skip and Patty and Neil in 71 , 72? I'd like to know your story from 64- 72) So you taught us , completely ignorant of grace. did you ever get born again? God does pour His Spirit into our hearts and the Counselor guides us into all the truth. And the pity thing...."You're way ahead of me"...Oh gosh, everyone....Stewart is behind..he is weaker than we...He doesn't understand grace like we do... Then why don't you sit down right here and let one of these brothers speak now.. you could learn something.
Sister 3: I remember about 10 years ago..um the sisters and brothers
in New York found
some Brother Monbleau ..Wayne Monbleau..and his whole teaching was
based on
grace..the grace of God..and they would all talk about the grace of
God and everybody
there, everybody in New York would like mock them and put them down
and ..I really don’t
know.... that's what I remember
Bobby Whiple: I just heard him on the radio
Stewart: ehuh?
Bobby: I just heard him on the radio on the way here , I don't know , some of the things he says...
Stewart: And?
Bobby:: He does speak of the grace of God
Stewart: you know something else even more appalling? All these subjects,
many of the subjects dealing with God’s grace are in fact fairly accurately
dealt with here, everything around grace, but grace doesn’t exist.Okay...so
the word grace didn't exist for you and you taught and you wrote and taught
accurately about grace, but grace itself didn't exist. Is anyone following
this?
.that’s that’s more amazing God’s love is in here all over and
Relying on Him....you see God was eh ..heh..I guess ah..I guess they are
all running out now..it’s getting too boring...(nooooo) apparently(no)old
habit...you know some brothers and sisters do leave your presence for legitimate
reasons sometimes...While you're repenting for teaching false doctrine,
try repenting for this ego of yours.. Listen..God was revealing
to me over some time when I said ya know back Jan 1 when I said “He
was restoring me too, I didn’t know the tenth of it, I didn’t know the
tenth of it.restoring you? so you backslid or fell?
does this include your behavior toward the sisters at Princeton?
Nevertheless um Gayle has been reading the bible studies recently, all
the bible studies and see how its working towards grace and the subjects
around it.... hard to even say...I don’t know what the
sessions are...I knew I didn’t know what they were...God was bringing
us to the real basis. Okay ...NOOoooW.... the teaching
was good. But I thought Grace didn't exist for you? How could your old
bible studies be good and leading to grace? And ..once again you're saying
that God sanctioned this teaching, this error you are suppose to be repenting
from.
I was selling righteousness comes from faith...therefore...it’s through
faith, not from or by. you were selling alright...when
are you not selling? Sorry to bring this up...I know you're busy
with your thing...but Hebrews 11 has "By Faith" all over it.....and are
you telling us now that if we would have just fixed the "By, Through, From"
word problem, none of this error would have ever taken place? I could just
kick myself!
Victor Trapani: I have a question, When I was younger in Jesus I would
meet a lot of
other Christians and I would hear them talk about this exact thing
about the grace of God,
and even though they would tell me about it I would say I understood
it, it never really
clicked until 2 months ago, so I think it was Jesus Himself revealing
it to me personally at
the time when He chose to
Stewart: All right whenever you say that that you also have to come
back to the other side, it’s also my spirit pushing it out of you and saying
“don’t listen to that”(yeah..yes)How much of that was it too?(yeah yes)
You know there are ways
..different ways to look at it. Hey Victor, here
is another way to look at it.... Stew, It wasn't "your spirit" pushing
it out of us. It was YOU, YOU,YOU! And what were you pushing out of us
and telling us not to listen to?Messages of grace and messengers of the
Grace of God. So which is it? Ignorance or are you lying right now?
Brother 2: I remember I used to read alot of Charles Spurgeon and he’d
talk about grace,
and I would just think “ well it’s 100 years later Jesus has showed
us more now
Stewart: uuugh!
Brother 3:I think he must be in error...ya know that’s what I would
that’s what I would
think ...somehow ..I would really wonder about what you would say about
what he said
there
Stewart: How much is it I could clamor and I could gallop and
skip along in my merry way and the brothers couldn’t keep up with me(a
lot a wholel ot) It was my merry way..that is in what I was doing wrong.Define
"Merry way".... Was it the "error" or the "tutor" thing?... and... "doing
wrong"...you mean sin right? Sin agianst the brothers right? You
know , in a brothers meeting you couldn't get away with all this talking.
We were taught to say "stop making speeches Brother...and make it right
with the body." ..don’t forget also..Jesus used me a lot (yes...sure)
in spite but it was in spite
Okay Jesus used you
in spite of what? Your sin? I thought your merry way is what's in error....and
if that isn’t His grace..according to the bible what is? Hey
, I thought we were suppose to know more about grace than you. His
kindness ya know.. His grace was extended to us while we were enemies..You
got the verse wrong I think. Romans 5:6-11 and it's speaking about us when
we were not saved...before the new birth. We are no longer enemies of God
,... haven't been for years. Speak for yourself..Now, we must really
get into grace(yeah yes) I mean really....try this saying...There is something
to this...Now Grace, Faith and spirit, small S, these three abide, but
the greatest of these is
grace....small S....small S eh..we”ll have to get into that.Look
everyone, here is a fella who , only paragraphs ago said grace didn't exist
for him. And now he is re-writing the bible. Amazing how these over-achievers
bounce back. When are you going to stop teaching and ask us to forgive
you? Wine is treacherous....meaning?...Now
here’s what happens...Let’s take those three...Grace, Faith, and spirit...there’s
a lot of, are you paying attention, (yes) There’s all of churches overboard
on spirit matters. You now know of a church overboard on faith.
Okay so Cobu is overboard on faith....You have lost
your mind. First of All... Faith has to be in something or someone.
"Overboard on faith in________? Faith in Ourselves? Faith in Jesus?Really
faith in Jesus you can't have enough of ..right? You are doing it again.....
Brethren, Stewart is talking about "Works" but he is blaming "faith" ...Faith
= Works...hmm...How rediculous a notion "Relying
on Faith" instead of relying on Jesus. it's like " Hey brother , I have
faith in my faith...or...I believe in my beliefs...just stop teaching and
repent....there are in fact apparently, recently I have been inquiring,
that there are some overboard on grace,say it isn't
so to the extent that they to the extent that they claim to do away
with baptism. you know you can be lopsided any way? I
think what you are saying is churches can take advantage of God using a
misconception of Faith , Grace and Spirit. But don't talk like Real Faith,
Real grace and Real manifestations of the Spirit are bad. (yeah)
Nevertheless those 3 exist.... Grace , faith and spirit..all of them are
important. And they have to be in
the right balance. And they certainly haven’t been here...and therefore
I
have no idea, I have no idea in the light of the truth I have no idea about
other churches, you know I have to say that...I have no idea...because
anyway I would have looked at them, would have been in error. Follow? (yes)
spirit had better not be the basis, because it’s just an anything goes..Faith
can’t be the basis because then it’s hard work.Are
you listening to yourself?" Faith is hard work? . guess I should tear out
Galatians 3. And Galatians 4...heck just tear out the whole letter.
Grace is the basis. It’s not on the basis of works but of grace.So
Faith=Works Grace must be the basis. Anyways....Romans 10 “...a
zeal for God but it is not enlightened.” speaking of the Jews....I have
heard it said “Am I some sort of Old Testament character..well
actually you started those rumors..Remember when you said stuff like "I
might have the spirit of Elijah...and things like that...believe me...we
didn't think this stuff up on our own...maybe there’s something
to that...being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God and seeking
to establish their own...now..that had to be true of me...to some extent...partly
the problem ignorance, non-enlightened Samaritan doing both at once...Whaaaaaaah?.I
began speaking about relying on Jesus...The big thing is that you have
to remove the phony relying on faith before you could actually rely on
Jesus..You're cuckoo! Yeah Bro..I'm having faith
in my faith..How much are you relying on Faith?(weak muttering)
We
don't know because that is a stupid questionYou see, in other words,
here’s another explanation. In some sense or other I have a framework somehow,
that I can keep going...does that make any sense?NO..That
you don’t have. I wasn’t seeing grace, Nevertheless I could include enough
of it enough of what.?..grace..I thought you were
ignorant in some sort of pseudo-framework to ah..keep going..enough
to ah seem right...got it?(yes)NO How can
you rely on Jesus with some sort of “It’s up to me” feeling?sounds
like yer talking about works( can’t)..contradictory....now a double
problem...yanking grace out of scripture.who wants
to yank grace out of scripture?..especially out of those three,
Grace , faith and spirit...yank grace out....you’ve done 2 things, 2 problems.
First , you’ve changed...by removing grace...what’s left is changed...but
it’s also damaged. You can’t yank something out of something without damaging
what’s left...its its..there are two things...there’s a vacuum....and there’s
damage. Do you follow? (yes)...sounds like you're
not going to repent from your ambiguous teaching style..it's like you are
applying physics to the bible.You can see that having happened.
That is , violence has been done to faith and spirit too! And then....the
actual wrong came in which is relying on faith.....to the point(sighing)
I was right...you are saved by faith, by the way that’s in the summary....it’s
both. Twice, we are saved by faith, don’t you people
ever check your bible?(yes) HOW DARE YOU!!
I wonder if you have more appreciation of the working of God’s grace
among us now?(yes) Grace enough to overcome this sin.What
sin? Whose sin? Where sin abounds , grace abounds all the more.
Shall we therefore sin...God knows that I did it in ignorance.How
do we know that God knows.?.you did what in ignorance?..I
didn’t plan this...I assume that you all know that(yes) You
didn't plan WHAT?What about another explanation.....as he said..
without such a foundation..means that
there is no framework, there is no sight of the framework....everything
is sort of disconnected in a strange feeling kinda way, and every week
it is a new direction and teaching and it isn’t connected to the foundation,
the basis which is grace....which is the way it must be.....minus grace
..all the good things are floating. And how do you ever tie them together?
Well you couldn’t but I quote could. In some sort of a running on automatic
pilot....do you start to get a picture?(yes)Yeah
..I get the picture...The plane was flying itself while you were in the
darkroom with the sisters..got it..continue please.. There’s no
confidence therefore...confidence is a Big word....big....or..as it is
written...”how come they never marry.?”.....for that one alone I repent...for
that one alone....Because you have to be like Stewart first(yeah)..Oh
my goodness..Stewart used the "R" word. After 6 pages of teaching..you
finally said the "R" word. Here is your chance to use the "I" and
the "S" words and the "W" and the "Y", "F","M" words too. As in I'm Sorry,
Will you forgive me? "You must be like Stewart" first comment means you
admit that you are the primary reason the Brothers never married. Good
news brothers...Stewart isn't going to teach error anymore in this regard....so
gentlemen...start your relationships! His repentance means that there should
be a significant number of marriages in the next few months...and
the amazing marriage that He has given me...which is near per...not me.....I’m
far from perfect..in fact, Gayle is close to perfect...did you ever hear..I
heard some of you people say “ She’s not , she’s like not human.”(yes laughing)
that marriage itself is nothing but the grace of God. Nothing but. In fact
she looked up and found, “ He who finds a wife”, it’s very close, by the
way, grace , what is grace? we’ll have to get into that(undeserved ..undeserved
mercy) hold it hold it hold it, that is the stupidest thing there
is, I say , with my fervent spirit, undeserved mercy...that is stupid to
talk like that, because mercy is never mercy if it is deserved....so
you’re saying mercy is mercy yeah ..and you're saying
faith is works...so we're even...when you’re saying Mercy is undeserved
mercy.....fix your brain. give it back first.in
order for to be
mercy otherwise grace would no longer be grace...in order to be mercy
it can’t be deserved...or it isn’t mercy...What is this stupid undeserved
mercy...and that is what people say!!(yeah yeah)Listen Listen..it doesn’t
even make sense...just in words.....Oh maybe you do deserve some other
kind of mercy..do you?(nooo)well..what is this? now think about it....You
know I haven’t lost my confidence..my confidence is in Jesus...now where
it should have been all along but it wasn’t .You
sound like the same ole Stew to me and therefore will confidently
say that...what is this undeserved mercy? Get your head screwed on! gosh
we're dumb...teach us more Noo?! (yes) Now think about it... Mercy
is mercy is all yer sayin.....you don’t get it?(yeyyss..noo)If eh rather
Grace is mercy..yer saying Grace is mercy yer saying Grace equals mercy
and it doesn’t....They are two different things....Grace is something...and
it is certainly undeserved as all mercy is..or it wouldn’t be mercy..Wait
a minute..you said Grace wasn't mercy...could you repeat that?..now
anyway..anyway...um..anyway...what was I saying before
about that...oh yeah “he who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains
favor, now grace is close to favor.who says?..close...it’s
not...but thats approach..that’s one of the words that are around grace...that
you’ve found favor...that He has extended his grace ..although the grace
of God and the grace of Jesus Christ too ya know,by the way, two different
things.sounds like we are gonna get 17 more years
of deep teaching...so plan on another Starting Over Meeting...we
gotta
get into this..do you still use the color code?.see
somehow I got saved...you don't seem sure And
I still think I got saved...I still think I got saved. did I get
saved two weeks ago? Well I think I have to say I got saved 25 years ago...I
think... but that’s another matter...I got saved or whatever..I
got saved or whatever...."I got saved or WHATEVER? ..."Yeah ..(yawn) no
big deal...got saved...Jesus died(takes a bite of his sandwich...mouth
now full) Yeeh GII GOT Soved thum time back there...whatever"..and
right away...right away...ahh....again you know, ..there’s another thing.
I bought a bill of goods in a way ..because what does everybody do...you
get saved....and then you go to church...and that’s about it....anyway..ahh..something
like that..I got saved and I lost interest in ..thats ..I don’t remember
doing it , I’m saying...I must have something like lost
interest in salvation."I Lost interest in (snapping
his fingers...trying to recall) oh... yeah Salvation..it was no
longer interesting...now well it’s over..I mean ah...and I must have been
acting something like that...perhaps having bought that picked that up..who
knows..anyway...that’s something...in that area...well all right it’s no
longer interesting....so now I’ll get in the Old Testament now I’ll start
interpreting...and that’s what happened...it was a process..iin the process
since....and got into interpreting this and interpreting that and and Matthew
24....meanwhile the most important teaching of all, salvation, and the
most important part of the most important teaching was nowhere. An
nobody noticed.Hey Everybody, Stewart is telling
us his testimony. Are there 3000 here?....Ah...Stewart..umm..The most important
part was there...How do you think we understood salvation enough to get
saved? What do you think we were telling people on the street? What were
the 12 Salvation verses? What was the John 3 ART SHOW ABOUT...FOR CRYING
OUT LOUD!!! And your last comment..."Nobody noticed"....guess it was our
fault...We Repent!
Now , in a nutshell, that’s a process sense...dya follow?(yes)
that’s partly what happened....Yes..eh..Gayle thought studying Matthew
24 would do that...over the years ..how many secretly dreaded it because
fear “I could loose my salvation, with such an extreme testing
, will I make it?(yeah yeashyes)”....Why even ask
the question? You're not stupid. You know how we reacted to Matthew 24...and
Revelation to John...and all your end times hammering. You were there and
so were we. Wow...Gayle thought studying Matt 24 over and over like that
would have that effect huh? . Could you thank
her for putting down her Rocket Science Textbooklong enough
to enlighten us?
and you know it’s the brothers ...again...that may ..that particular one was even worse with the sisters...perhaps...there feeling reaction to it might be worse.A reference to the sisters in Princeton..no doubt but ya know it’s still the brothers...If ..if our life is based on works...that faith becomes works somehow.in your world..that’s just it ..it is more telling on the brothers...and it’s the brothers therefore that um...that’s why I have been speaking of the brothers being set free...think it’s true? (yes)...Without grace you’re on a crossing your fingers basis. I asked a while ago “Are you trying to talk Jesus into saving you?” Remember..(yes) trying to convince him into saving you. (yes) my goodness..This would be a good time to say...."And I'm really really sorry Brothers...Will you forgive me?.
Ya know the whole while, I never tried to take Jesus place.who brought this up?.no way and was always speaking against it...and yet that’s what the devil arranged.So it's the devil's fault..now think about it...something like that in effect....Without grace the chain of how connects everything to Jesus is broken. Ambiguous So all becomes mysterious.you got that right.grace is meant to be the framework, format....I’m saying "salvation is a gift while under the counter you have to earn it by faith." Why don’t the brothers marry, because they have no confidence. Why don’t they have confidence, because of their impossible task..Translation::: You're not married because I taught you that you have to be like me first which is an impossible task..so blame me for you not being married by age 36, 37, 47, 52. Yeah, I'm the guy who wasted 17 years of your life when you could have been married with children and the blessings God intended for you in this way. Hey Stewart...I think this would be a really good time for you to ....you know what..what do you think of that brothers?...(yes yeah makes a lot of sense)...
Brother 4: Many of the ones that are married , their marriagearen't
very good because of the
same problem...
Faith has almost become almost an end in itself ...how’s that?(yeas) one of the translations calls it the instrument...the tool....by the way But I wonder ..Gayle? there are of course a lot of salvation tracts floating around ..you pick em up right?(yes) Are they all the very same thing?(pretty much) that I t’s faith, faith, faith, that it’s never grace? (nooo, it’s grace yeah grace) it’s grace? (yeah yes yeah)....I picked one up..I saw one yesterday, it was zero grace....or a few days ago there certainly must be grace.... It's really bad to be into Faith in God....Bad Faith...Bad!
Brother 5: isn’t even the King James translation...don’t they even word
it, don’t they say...
“it is through grace you are saved by faith?
Stewart: Yeah..same thing..that’s Revised...same thing...
(noo no, it’s by grace ..)
Stewart: say again...say again..I can’t hear ya
Brother 5:: I thought the kings James Version as I have seen it on those
tracts.said. “By Grace
you have been saved through faith..the KJV
(wait..wait...you changed it ...you said it differently the first time)
Stewart : It says "by" ..I’ll bet ya..it says by grace through
faith..(right) Faith is the lesser and Grace is the greater, doesn’t matter
what translation...(yeah) that’ll come out...Grace is the basis... ..all
the faith in the world...if He doesn’t extend His grace....Now ..that’s
jumping the gun... without grace as the basis...Be zealous to confirm your
call and election becomes trying to convince Jesus to save you(yes)...
because the fact that nobody is picking up on grace.. and you haven’t been...You
haven’t been picking up on it... the fact that nobody’s been picking up
on it...as much as I have already gone into it...shows how
deeply everyone is into “Faith, it’s up to me”ecetera...instilled
in...think a that... Now I get it..you're the one
responsible for teaching us Works in the guise of Faith.
There is no receiving His grace with thanksgiving.... which is almost
the basis of Christian life....Christian Life..that’s right...where’s Orange...now..no
grace...Does the word grace appear anywhere...just the word...let alone
...I’ll bet it doesn’t...Place your bets.Things
we looked at...it doesn’t...We got a long way to go people ..are you getting
restless?(noooo) Notice there is a lot of running out..(yes...maybe take
a 10 minute break....) It’s 5:00 now....We can either keep going or take
a break or break for supper(brwaksupp 10min keep)Well...well...we could
take a vote..remembering that for freedom(everyone together) Christ has
set us free(thank you Jesus) what’s the rest though..(everyone) Stand fast
therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.) To a Yoke
of (slavery) To a yoke of salvation by faith or works..Our
freedom in Christ has been reduced to voting on a 10 minute break or a
supper break... notice how Stew interchanges Faith and Works here too?..
Are the brothers starting to realize how Jesus is starting to set all of
US free?You stress "Us" ...Little Stew is just one
of the Sheep(yeees) how many are only starting to? how many think
they half understand it pretty much?...well...that’s getting there...Now
let’s vote...on the break or keep going....keep going such as...I mean
I don’t want to dwell on me..but aah...up to a point it’s important...the
way I have operated...my spirit.....what God is doing with me...how He’s
been leading me..but you said God was leading you
the last 17 years. Why should we believe that God is leading you now? because
you say so?.and then finally ...the right view and balance that’s
a big one..what is the right ..what is right then?... well starting that...
and about grace... and other smaller...or should we take a break?....(take
a break) or should we take supper?
( supper)... What is God’s will?( go a little further)(Why don’t we
take a vote?)
you see when you sing amazing grace...doesn’t really hit you huh?sell Stew Sell!(yes it does..no, no)take a vote on it then(yes)...how many say we break for supper now? how many say we take a 10 minute break?...How many say no break and no supper?(laughter) Well it’s pretty obvious that most want a break....(yes) right?(yes) so everybody vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break(yeah) is supper ready?
Vinnie: Yeah ...if were gonna have a break I think it should be for
supper, because if we
go on to 7:00 its ahh it makes things..hard..the food will be getting
messed up(laughter)
okay you ready? how is that pure Vinnieand our fellowship? Well ...life and actions are to be interpreted in terms of the nearest circumstance only and we must act on the basis of the closest circumstance....never raise up our eyes into the context of greater things....ahh now supper is pretty great that’s true but but..(laughter) there may be even greater things...pitiful little “it’s gonna get messed up.” (laughter)....Take courage Vinnie! Take courage(laughter) see I’m strengthening the brothers!(laughter) Take courage...Funny..so Funny..inconfident, unmarried older brother Vinnie, strengthened mockingly by the man who made him that way. Hha ha ha..How do you feel..Vinnie?
Vinnie: stupid thing I said...
Brother: (to Vinnie)Don't worry yeah Vinnie,
don't worry, Stew repented. This is a Grace Meeting. Cheer Up..There are
great times ahead
Listen ah..let’s all vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break...Are
we all ready? (yes) How many say a supper break now?(clamor) well..and
how many say a 10 minute break? well they lost(laughing) Well since it’s
everybody and I don’t know a reason why to do otherwise..maybe a supper
break..we can agree on that then( yes) what do you think?
(yes) what do you think about this meeting?(praise God thank you Jesus....)
Never would have thought of it... (nooo) There is an aire of "Boy ..we all got fooled...ALL of US right? I'm just one of the fooled, in fact, I'm more of a victim than any of you, and I'm lonlier too.(sniffle)
Denny Dennison: I always thought that we consciencely as a fellowship
never got into grace because of the potential to take advantage which
I always saw in the
other churches
Stewart: Hey..there’s a huge potential to take advantage..but tough
luck ..that is the route
we must go(yes) cuz that’s the bible route...that is...yes there is
a huge potential...we’ll
have to get into that...you never would have thought this...it’s a
big surprise(yes)....
Brother 6: yeah ..we went to see a brothers last night in brighton beach
(
Stewart: Can’t hear a word yer mumbling...
Brother 6: okay We went to see some brothers in Brighton Beach last
night and I
remembering saying “yo ..Jesus is...brother Stewart is ______too.
Stewart: already did at least two weeks ago(thank you Jesus)..His grace is greater than my shame or my errorThere is that word "error" again..and shame too. Hmmm get ready for snow...(thank you Jesus...yeahpraise God) the next time you’re afraid to make a mistake.sell..because you’re afraid to sell, in sincerity,sell do what really looks ruuu sell..do what really looks rightsell, really checked.sell.eh really looks right.sell..His grace if if ya are wrong His grace is greater anywaySOLD!!(thank you Jesus) TWENTY FIVE YEARS OF ERROR.? you try to beat that (laughter) 25 years of colossal error....to clarify ..it was 25 years of your colossal error..and 17 years of us living under it and getting damaged by it , hurt by it, destroyed by it.Can we beat that? Yeah we can beat that. Remember ...your Error wasn't meeted out on lab rats. You're looking at the fruit of your error. Do you think the Leaders of the former Soviet Union ever stood in line for toilet paper or food? How many Soviet leaders were imprisoned, tortured or murdered? I guess they could say "I lived in the Soviet Union under communism. it was a terrible system. long lines , no human rights, KGB, torture, murder. A terrible opressive system.....Well ..yeah..I was one of the leaders but hey..I am as much or more a victim than the ones I imprisoned."
Brother 7: I read about..
Stewart: this is no little point..(yeah) Sonya says I should expound
on grace more..remember? That’s the ans ah taloowa..you’re the one ..expound
on grace more..he ha ..that’s the answer huh? MYYYYY...it’s an awful lot
more than that...this mortal sin...I thought that was a big deal..I made
a mistake...I did...Ha I thought that I was... I bought a bill of goods.that
was awful..I got suckered by Jesus into a raw deal.but
that wasn’t even the tip of the iceberg...remember that?(yes) once in a
lifetime bible study I called it..remember?(yes)Oh my goodness....It is
very very hard... a month from now you try to picture somebody...actually
being oblivious to grace...and is fervent in Jesus as I have been...and
put that together...a month from now ..you try and figure that out..impossible.are
you trying to get us to marvel at you?...which leads you to wonder...God
purposely made me blind to it..So it's God's fault."so
I am not responsible"(stewart in a mocking tone)..eh pa..purposely made
me blind to it..etc.. but ah....needs to understand when I said I’m glad
it’s that bad because it’s proof ..it’s my written evidence..what I already
know in my spirit...that I didn’t do it... I did it in ignorance...there’s
the proof....it’s not there...if it was half there messed up...that might
make me wonder....so I’m glad it’s that bad...it’s zero...you don’t get
it huh?So your writings, workbooks, bible studies
show your ignorance to Grace...okay...you're in the clear....what a relief...nevermind
the destruction all around you..(yeas) a lot more to it...what
do you think about this..(thank you Jesus....) later we will have to discuss
your forgiveness of me or the lack of it...that’s a subject.US
FORGIVING YOU IS A SUBJECT? Are you insane? You are going to teach
us about forgiving you?I don't recall ever seeing this behavior in the
bible. Tune in tomorrow when Stewart Traill will teach us how to forgive
him ....Here are my 12 memory points for forgiving Stewart 1) Remember...Stewart
is ignorant 2) Remember all the good Stewart has done in ignorance
3) God is already leading Stewart, already working on and through him so
back off! 4) Stewart is more of a victim of the "Error" than any
of us 5) It's all God's fault(I mean).. will and Stewart was just being
a good tutor 6) "Nobody told him" he was going the wrong way(even though
he said God spoke to him on a regular basis 7) Remember that Stewart is
the only one who can fly the plane..8) Remember that although you're not
married and Stewart takes responsibilty for you not being married...Stew
did repent...so expect a high volume of weddings in the near future 9)
Faith is hard work 10) God purposely blinded Stewart so maybe Stewart is
Paul 11) we were kept in restraint so Stewart might be Moses 12)
Stewart might be Job or Elijah...or someone really important so forgive
him or else!... now are we all ready to pray together?(yes)..well...I
am...
(after prayer)
Brother 7: it’s gonna take a while to digest... or throw up
Brother 8:: For me , it shows how much Jesus loves you fiercely.. where did you learn to talk like that?
Stewart: Boy ...that is my hope right there...it is said “He has
become my salvation”....that
I dare trust him...what He has done for me...even through this....
???
Brother 9: Seems to me, like a beginning, a beginning of a better relationship
with Jesus
and with each other(yes) Don't count on it
Stewart: based on the sufficiency of His grace(thank you Jesus)
Lauren Albrecht: I’m not sure but I, I heard that the man that wrote
or that
Jesus gave the words to Amazing Grace, that he was a Christian
for a long time and came
to the realization that he was on the wrong basis..and that..
Stewart: really?
Lauren: God gave him the words that God marked him with Amazing Grace
Brother 10: there’s a little more than that..
Stewart: is that right?
Brother 11: Actually...he was a seafarer.. and he dealt in slavery,
he was a Christian and
he backslid very grossly and he came back to God and the last part
of his life, he was
extremely faithful..and close to Jesus but he used to deal in slavery
Bobby Whipple: He was He was in a very serious He was in the Church
of England, they
thought he committed apostasy..they told him he was finished and ah...because
of all the
sins that he chose..serious sin he was into when he was in Africa
Brother 11: Drinking and slavery
Bobby: then he uh called out ta, he did call out to God and Jesus forgave
him and that’s
why he wrote the song..Amazing Grace .(wow...thank you Jesus)
Stewart: so you see he..he..again...you know we gotta change everything,...He
called out
to God...he put his faith in God’s grace..
Bobby: yeah
Stewart: and then called out to God....is what yer saying(yeah yeah)
And he knew that that’s
what he was was doing then.....same as me....Let’s hear some more brothers
and sisters.....
Brother 12 : I know when I was backsliden it seems ah, the times
when I could see Grace
most clearly in fact, ah pretty much the only times that I considered
it was when I was the
very most out of it..with the noose around my neck and the rope broke
Brother 13: physically
Brother12 : I considered his grace a lot more than I considered my faith at that point
Stewart: that makes sense
Brother 14: I saw God's grace when He made me trust him with 3 children....and I ...will continue
Stewart: (whispering) that's His mercy...yeah you Moron!..get it straight!...Same ole Stew
Brother 15: I think that God has let this happen this long....and what is His plan for us(yeah yes..muttering thank you Jesus)
Bob Muller: It is his grace that brought us safe thus far...(and grace willl bring me home...praise God ..thank you Jesus)
Stewart: You don't have the view that Salvation is over and done with.yeah
...wonder why?.?(starting to..starting to now..muttering) Right
kind of view of that... Otherwise Grace would no longer be grace... Amen...see
you in another 17 years when everybody is going overboard on Grace.