Dear Reader, this was supposedly the big change, the big
turn around in COBU. This meeting was the beginning of a new era. I wrote
a "Mike Montoya visits the Grace Meeting" where I make comments at this meeting
as though I was actually there. I want you to recognize
that Stewart's tone is the same as it always was. Look at the way the "repentant"
Stew treats the sister who questions him (real humble). Try to figure
out who is at fault for this 17 years of FF/COBU teaching. Was it God's plan, or was it
Stewart's error, or did the devil arrange it, or were the brothers and sisters at
fault for not noticing, not checking their Bibles. Stew
manages to repent but says it was a divine plan/but we should have told him/
but the devil arranged it. And near the end of the tape, in red print, is the
most disgusting statement of this meeting. He wants to discuss the brethren
forgiving him "as a subject". AS A SUBJECT!!!!... Read but don't weep for Stewart.
Weep for the brothers and sisters who stayed and bought this garbage. Note
the way Stew talks about his own salvation. This was a sick meeting. And if
you didn't know, this was really to cover his sin at Princeton toward the
sisters; sins he never brought up and never made right. So all of this
is a smoke screen. My comments are in Blue. Each Link is an audio file dowload of the meeting. It may take a some time to download to your computer but I think it's worth it. This is evident or proof for those in and out never to listen to Stewart Traill again.
Stewart is in the black print
the ( ) are the voices of the brothers and sisters collectively
Part 3 of the Grace Meeting
That is , violence has been done to faith and spirit too! And then....the actual wrong came
in which is relying on faith.....to the point(sighing) I was right...you are saved by faith, by
the way that’s in the summary....it’s both. Twice, we are saved by faith, don’t you people
ever check your bible?(yes)
I wonder if you have more appreciation of the working of God’s grace among us
now?(yes) Grace enough to overcome this sin. Where sin abounds , grace abounds all the
more. Shall we therefore sin...God knows that I did it in ignorance...I didn’t plan this...I
assume that you all know that(yes)
What about another explanation.....as he said.. without such a foundation..means that
there is no framework, there is no sight of the framework....everything is sort of
disconnected in a strange feeling kinda way, and every week it is a new direction and
teaching and it isn’t connected to the foundation, the basis which is grace....which is the
way it must be.....minus grace ..all the good things are floating. And how do you ever tie
them together? Well you couldn’t but I quote could. In some sort of a running on
automatic pilot....do you start to get a picture?(yes) There’s no confidence
therefore...confidence is a Big word....big....or..as it is written...”how come they never
marry.?”.....for that one alone I repent...for that one alone....Because you have to be like
Stewart first(yeah)....and the amazing marriage that He has given me...which is near
per...not me.....I’m far from perfect..in fact, Gayle is close to perfect...did you ever hear..I
heard some of you people say “ She’s not , she’s like not human.”(yes laughing) that
marriage itself is nothing but the grace of God. Nothing but. In fact she looked up and
found, “ He who finds a wife”, it’s very close, by the way, grace , what is grace? we’ll
have to get into that(undeserved ..undeserved mercy) hold it hold it hold it, that is the
stupidest thing there is, I say , with my fervent spirit, undeserved mercy...that is stupid to
talk like that, because mercy is never mercy if it is deserved....so you’re saying mercy is
mercy when you’re saying Mercy is undeserved mercy.....fix your brain..in order for to be
mercy otherwise grace would no longer be grace...in order to be mercy it can’t be
deserved...or it isn’t mercy...What is this stupid undeserved mercy...and that is what
people say!!(yeah yeah)Listen Listen..it doesn’t even make sense...just in words.....Oh
maybe you do deserve some other kind of mercy..do you?(nooo)well..what is this? now think
about it....You know I haven’t lost my confidence..my confidence is in Jesus...now where
it should have been all along but it wasn’t ....and therefore will confidently say that...what
is this undeserved mercy? Get your head screwed on! Noo?! (yes) Now think about it...
Mercy is mercy is all yer sayin.....you don’t get it?(yeyyss..noo)If eh rather Grace is
mercy..yer saying Grace is mercy yer saying Grace equals mercy and it doesn’t....They are
two different things....Grace is something...and it is certainly undeserved as all mercy is..or
it wouldn’t be mercy....now anyway..anyway...um..anyway...what was I saying before
about that...oh yeah “he who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor, now grace
is close to favor...close...it’s not...but thats approach..that’s one of the words that are
around grace...that you’ve found favor...that He has extended his grace ..although the
grace of God and the grace of Jesus Christ too,by the way, two different things....we gotta
get into this...see somehow I got saved....And I still think I got saved...I still think I got
saved. did I get saved two weeks ago? Well I think I have to say I got saved 25 years
ago...I think... but that’s another matter...I got saved or whatever....and right away...right
away...ahh....again you know, ..there’s another thing. I bought a bill of goods in a way
....because what does everybody do...you get saved....and then you go to
church...and that’s about it....anyway..ahh..something like that..I got saved and I lost
interest in ..that's ..I don’t remember doing it , I’m saying...I must have something like lost
interest in salvation...it was no longer interesting...now well it’s over..I mean ah...and I
must have been acting something like that...perhaps having bought that picked that
up..who knows..anyway...that’s something...in that area...well all right it’s no longer
interesting....so now I’ll get in the Old Testament now I’ll start interpreting...and that’s
what happened...it was a process..iin the process since....and got into interpreting this
and interpreting that and and Matthew 24....meanwhile the most important teaching of all,
salvation, and the most important part of the most important teaching was nowhere. An
nobody noticed. Now, in a nutshell, that’s a process sense...dya
follow?(yes) that’s partly what happened....Yes..eh..Gayle thought studying Matthew 24
would do that...over the years ..how many secretly dreaded it because fear “I could
loose my salvation, with such an extreme testing , will I make it? (yeah yeashyes)”.....
and you know it’s the brothers ...again...that may ..that particular one was even worse
with the sisters...perhaps...there feeling reaction to it might be worse...but ya know it’s
still the brothers...If ..if our life is based on works...that faith becomes works
somehow...that’s just it ..it is more telling on the brothers...and it’s the brothers therefore
that um...that’s why I have been speaking of the brothers being set free...think it’s true?
(yes)...Without grace you’re on a crossing your fingers basis. I asked a while ago
“Are you trying to talk Jesus into saving you?” Remember..(yes) trying to convince him
into saving you. (yes) my goodness...
Ya know the whole while, I never tried to take Jesus' place..no way and was always
speaking against it...and yet that’s what the devil arranged...now think about it...something
like that in effect....Without grace the chain of how everything connects to Jesus is broken.
So all becomes mysterious..grace is meant to be the framework, format....I’m saying
"salvation is a gift while under the counter you have to earn it by faith." Why don’t the
brothers marry, because they have no confidence. Why don’t they have confidence,
because of their impossible task....what do you think of that brothers?...(yes yeah makes a
lot of sense)...
Brother 4: Many of the ones that are married, their marriages aren't very good because of the
Faith has almost become almost an end in itself ...how’s that?(yeas) one of the translations calls it
the instrument...the tool....by the way But I wonder ..Gayle? there are of course a lot of salvation
tracts floating around ..you pick em up right?(yes) Are they all the very same thing?(pretty much)
that I t’s faith, faith, faith, that it’s never grace? (nooo, it’s grace yeah grace) it’s grace?
(yeah yes yeah)....I picked one up..I saw one yesterday, it was zero grace....or a few days ago
.there certainly must be grace....
Brother 5: isn’t even the King James translation...don’t they even word it, don’t they say...
“it is through grace you are saved by faith?
Stewart: Yeah..same thing..that’s Revised...same thing...
(noo no, it’s by grace ..)
Stewart: say again...say again..I can’t hear ya
Brother 5:: I thought the kings James Version as I have seen it on those tracts.said. “By Grace
you have been saved through faith..the KJV
(wait..wait...you changed it ...you said it differently the first time)
Stewart : It says "by" ..I’ll bet ya..it says by grace through faith..(right) Faith is the lesser and
Grace is the greater, doesn’t matter what translation...(yeah) that’ll come out...Grace is
the basis... ..all the faith in the world...if He doesn’t extend His grace....Now ..that’s
jumping the gun... without grace as the basis...Be zealous to confirm your call and election
becomes trying to convince Jesus to save you(yes)... because the fact that nobody is
picking up on grace.. and you haven’t been...You haven’t been picking up on it... the fact that
nobody’s been picking up on it...as much as I have already gone into it...shows how
deeply everyone is into “Faith, it’s up to me”ecetera...instilled in...think a that...
There is no receiving His grace with thanksgiving.... which is almost the basis of Christian
life....Christian Life..that’s right...where’s Orange...now..no grace...Does the word grace
appear anywhere...just the word...let alone ...I’ll bet it doesn’t....Things we looked at...it
doesn’t...We got a long way to go people ..are you getting restless?(noooo) Notice there
is a lot of running out..(yes...maybe take a 10 minute break....) It’s 5:00 now....We can
either keep going or take a break or break for supper(brwaksupp 10min
keep)Well...well...we could take a vote...remembering that for freedom(everyone together)
Part 4 of the Grace Meeting Christ has set us free(thank you Jesus) what’s the rest though..(everyone) Stand fast
therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.) To a Yoke of (slavery) To a yoke
of salvation by faith or works.... Are the brothers starting to realize how Jesus is starting
to set all of US free?(yeees) how many are only starting to? how many think they half
understand it pretty much?...well...that’s getting there...Now let’s vote...on the break or
keep going....keep going such as...I mean I don’t want to dwell on me..but aah...up to a
point it’s important...the way I have operated...my spirit.....what God is doing with
me...how He’s been leading me...and then finally ...the right view and balance that’s a big
one..what is the right ..what is right then?... well starting that... and about grace... and
other smaller...or should we take a break?....(take a break) or should we take supper?
( supper)... What is God’s will?( go a little further)(Why don’t we take a vote?)
you see when you sing amazing grace...doesn’t really hit you huh?(yes it does..no, no)take
a vote on it then(yes)...how many say we break for supper now? how many say we take a 10
minute break?...How many say no break and no supper?(laughter) Well it’s pretty obvious
that most want a break....(yes) right?(yes) so everybody vote on a 10 minute break or a
supper break(yeah) is supper ready?
Vinnie: Yeah ...if were gonna have a break I think it should be for supper, because if we
go on to 7:00 its ahh it makes things..hard..the food will be getting messed up(laughter)
okay you ready? how is that pure Vinnie and our fellowship? Well ...life and actions are to
be interpreted in terms of the nearest circumstance only and we must act on the basis of
the closest circumstance....never raise up our eyes into the context of greater things....ahh
now supper is pretty great that’s true but but..(laughter) there may be even greater
things...pitiful little “it’s gonna get messed up.” (laughter)....Take courage Vinnie! Take
courage(laughter) see I’m strengthening the brothers!(laughter) Take courage...
Vinnie: stupid thing I said...
Brother: (to Vinnie)Don't worry
Listen ah..let’s all vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break...Are we all ready? (yes)
How many say a supper break now?(clamor) well..and how many say a 10 minute break?
well they lost(laughing) Well since it’s everybody and I don’t know a reason why to do
otherwise..maybe a supper break..we can agree on that then( yes) what do you think?
(yes) what do you think about this meeting?(praise God thank you Jesus....)
Never would have thought of it... (nooo)
Denny Dennison: I always thought that we consciencely as a fellowship
never got into grace because of the potential to take advantage which I always saw in the
Stewart: Hey..there’s a huge potential to take advantage..but tough luck ..that is the route
we must go(yes) cuz that’s the bible route...that is...yes there is a huge potential...we’ll
have to get into that...you never would have thought this...it’s a big surprise(yes)....
Brother 6: yeah ..we went to see a brothers last night in Brighton Beach
Stewart: Can’t hear a word yer mumbling...
Brother 6: okay We went to see some brothers in Brighton Beach last night and I
remembering saying “yo ..Jesus is...brother Stewart Jesus has been saving him too.
Stewart: already did at least two weeks ago(thank you Jesus)...His grace is greater than my
shame or my error(thank you Jesus...yeah praise God) the next time you’re afraid to make
a mistake...because you’re afraid to, in sincerity, do what really looks ruuu ..do what
really looks right, really checked..eh really looks right...His grace if if ya are wrong His
grace is greater anyway(thank you Jesus) TWENTY FIVE YEARS OF ERROR?
...you try to beat that(laughter) 25 years of colossal error....
Brother 7: I read about..
Stewart: this is no little point..(yeah) Sonya says I should expound on grace
more..remember? That’s the ans ah taloowa..you’re the one ..expound on grace more..he
ha ..that’s the answer huh? MYYYYY...it’s an awful lot more than that...this mortal sin...I
thought that was a big deal..I made a mistake...I did...Ha I thought that I was... I bought a
bill of goods.that was awful...but that wasn’t even the tip of the iceberg...remember that?(yes) once in a
lifetime bible study I called it..remember?(yes)Oh my goodness....It is very very hard... a
month from now you try to picture somebody...actually being oblivious to grace...and is
fervent in Jesus as I have been...and put that together...a month from now ..you try and
figure that out..impossible....which leads you to wonder...God purposely made me blind to
it..."so I am not responsible"(stewart in a mocking tone)..eh pa..purposely made me blind to it..etc.. but ah....needs to
understand when I said I’m glad it’s that bad because it’s proof ..it’s my written
evidence..what I already know in my spirit...that I didn’t do it... I did it in
ignorance...there’s the proof....it’s not there...if it was half there messed up...that might
make me wonder....so I’m glad it’s that bad...it’s zero...you don’t get it huh?(yeas) a lot
more to it...what do you think about this..(thank you Jesus....) later we will have to discuss
your forgiveness of me or the lack of it...that’s a subject.... now are we all ready to pray
Mike Montoya interrupting: Does anyone else find this incredible? That Stewart would treat Forgiveness for 17 years of false teaching, verbal and emotional abuse as a topic??!?!?!?
Brother 7: it’s gonna take a while to digest...
Brother 8:: For me , it shows how much Jesus loves you fiercely..
Stewart: Boy ...that is my hope right there...it is said “He has become my salvation”....that
I dare trust him...what He has done for me...even through this....
Brother 9: Seems to me, like a beginning, a beginning of a better relationship with Jesus
and with each other(yes)
Stewart: based on the sufficiency of His grace(thank you Jesus)
Lauren Albrecht: I’m not sure but I, I heard that the man that wrote or that
Jesus gave the words to Amazing Grace, that he was a Christian for a long time and came
to the realization that he was on the wrong basis..and that..
Lauren: God gave him the words that God marked him with Amazing Grace
Brother 10: there’s a little more than that..
Stewart: is that right?
Brother 11: Actually...he was a seafarer.. and he dealt in slavery, he was a Christian and
he backslid very grossly and he came back to God and the last part of his life, he was
extremely faithful..and close to Jesus but he used to deal in slavery
Bobby Whipple: He was He was in a very serious He was in the Church of England, they
thought he committed apostasy...they told him he was finished and ah...because of all the
sins that he chose..serious sin he was into when he was in Africa
Brother 11: Drinking and slavery
Bobby: then he uh called out ta, he did call out to God and Jesus forgave him and that’s
why he wrote the song..Amazing Grace .(wow...thank you Jesus)
Stewart: so you see he..he..again...you know we gotta change everything,...He called out
to God...he put his faith in God’s grace..
Stewart: and then called out to God....is what yer saying(yeah yeah) And he knew that that’s
what he was was doing then.....same as me....Let’s hear some more brothers and sisters.....
Brother 12 : I know when I was backsliden it seems ah, the times when I could see Grace
most clearly in fact, ah pretty much the only times that I considered it was when I was the
very most out of it..with the noose around my neck and the rope broke
Brother 13: physically
Brother12 : I considered his grace a lot more than I considered my faith at that point
Stewart: that makes sense
Brother 14: I saw God's grace when He made me trust him with 3 children....and I ...will continue
Stewart: (whispering) that's His mercy...
Brother 15: I think that God has let this happen this long....and what is His plan for us(yeah yes..muttering thank you Jesus)
Bob Muller: It is his grace that brought us safe thus far...(and grace willl bring me home...praise God ..thank you Jesus)
Stewart: You don't have the view that Salvation is over and done with..?(starting to..starting to now..muttering) Right kind of view of that... Otherwise Grace would no longer be grace...