Dear Reader, this was supposedly the big change, the big
turn around in COBU. This meeting was the beginning of a new era. I wrote
a "Mike Montoya visits the Grace Meeting" where I make comments at this meeting
as though I was actually there. I want you to recognize
that Stewart's tone is the same as it always was. Look at the way the "repentant"
Stew treats the sister who questions him (real humble). Try to figure
out who is at fault for this 17 years of FF/COBU teaching. Was it God's plan, or was it
Stewart's error, or did the devil arrange it, or were the brothers and sisters at
fault for not noticing, not checking their Bibles. Stew
manages to repent but says it was a divine plan/but we should have told him/
but the devil arranged it. And near the end of the tape, in red print, is the
most disgusting statement of this meeting. He wants to discuss the brethren
forgiving him "as a subject". AS A SUBJECT!!!!... Read but don't weep for Stewart.
Weep for the brothers and sisters who stayed and bought this garbage. Note
the way Stew talks about his own salvation. This was a sick meeting. And if
you didn't know, this was really to cover his sin at Princeton toward the
sisters; sins he never brought up and never made right. So all of this
is a smoke screen. My comments are in Blue. Each Link is an audio file dowload of the meeting. It may take a some time to download to your computer but I think it's worth it. This is evident or proof for those in and out never to listen to Stewart Traill again.
Stewart is in the black print
the ( ) are the voices
of the brothers and sisters collectively
Part 3 of the Grace Meeting
That is , violence has been done to faith and spirit too! And then....the
actual wrong came
in which is relying on faith.....to the point(sighing) I was right...you
are saved by faith, by
the way that’s in the summary....it’s both. Twice, we are saved by faith,
don’t you people
ever check your bible?(yes)
I wonder if you have more appreciation of the working of God’s grace among
us
now?(yes) Grace enough to overcome this sin. Where sin abounds , grace abounds
all the
more. Shall we therefore sin...God knows that I did it in ignorance...I didn’t
plan this...I
assume that you all know that(yes)
What about another explanation.....as he said.. without such a foundation..means
that
there is no framework, there is no sight of the framework....everything is
sort of
disconnected in a strange feeling kinda way, and every week it is a new direction
and
teaching and it isn’t connected to the foundation, the basis which is grace....which
is the
way it must be.....minus grace ..all the good things are floating. And how
do you ever tie
them together? Well you couldn’t but I quote could. In some sort of a running
on
automatic pilot....do you start to get a picture?(yes) There’s no confidence
therefore...confidence is a Big word....big....or..as it is written...”how
come they never
marry.?”.....for that one alone I repent...for that one alone....Because
you have to be like
Stewart first(yeah)....and the amazing marriage that He has given me...which
is near
per...not me.....I’m far from perfect..in fact, Gayle is close to perfect...did
you ever hear..I
heard some of you people say “ She’s not , she’s like not human.”(yes laughing)
that
marriage itself is nothing but the grace of God. Nothing but. In fact she
looked up and
found, “ He who finds a wife”, it’s very close, by the way, grace , what
is grace? we’ll
have to get into that(undeserved ..undeserved mercy) hold it hold it
hold it, that is the
stupidest thing there is, I say , with my fervent spirit, undeserved mercy...that
is stupid to
talk like that, because mercy is never mercy if it is deserved....so you’re
saying mercy is
mercy when you’re saying Mercy is undeserved mercy.....fix your brain..in
order for to be
mercy otherwise grace would no longer be grace...in order to be mercy it
can’t be
deserved...or it isn’t mercy...What is this stupid undeserved mercy...and
that is what
people say!!(yeah yeah)Listen Listen..it doesn’t even make sense...just in
words.....Oh
maybe you do deserve some other kind of mercy..do you?(nooo)well..what is
this? now think
about it....You know I haven’t lost my confidence..my confidence is in Jesus...now
where
it should have been all along but it wasn’t ....and therefore will confidently
say that...what
is this undeserved mercy? Get your head screwed on! Noo?! (yes) Now
think about it...
Mercy is mercy is all yer sayin.....you don’t get it?(yeyyss..noo)If eh rather
Grace is
mercy..yer saying Grace is mercy yer saying Grace equals mercy and it doesn’t....They
are
two different things....Grace is something...and it is certainly undeserved
as all mercy is..or
it wouldn’t be mercy....now anyway..anyway...um..anyway...what was I saying
before
about that...oh yeah “he who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains
favor, now grace
is close to favor...close...it’s not...but thats approach..that’s one of
the words that are
around grace...that you’ve found favor...that He has extended his grace ..although
the
grace of God and the grace of Jesus Christ too,by the way, two different
things....we gotta
get into this...see somehow I got saved....And I still think I got saved...I
still think I got
saved. did I get saved two weeks ago? Well I think I have to say I got saved
25 years
ago...I think... but that’s another matter...I got saved or whatever....and
right away...right
away...ahh....again you know, ..there’s another thing. I bought a bill of
goods in a way
....because what does everybody do...you get saved....and then you go to
church...and that’s about it....anyway..ahh..something like that..I got saved
and I lost
interest in ..that's ..I don’t remember doing it , I’m saying...I must have
something like lost
interest in salvation...it was no longer interesting...now well it’s over..I
mean ah...and I
must have been acting something like that...perhaps having bought that picked
that
up..who knows..anyway...that’s something...in that area...well all right
it’s no longer
interesting....so now I’ll get in the Old Testament now I’ll start interpreting...and
that’s
what happened...it was a process..iin the process since....and got into interpreting
this
and interpreting that and and Matthew 24....meanwhile the most important
teaching of all,
salvation, and the most important part of the most important teaching was
nowhere. An
nobody noticed. Now, in a nutshell, that’s a process sense...dya
follow?(yes) that’s partly what happened....Yes..eh..Gayle thought studying
Matthew 24
would do that...over the years ..how many secretly dreaded it because fear
“I could
loose my salvation, with such an extreme testing , will I make it? (yeah
yeashyes)”.....
and you know it’s the brothers ...again...that may ..that particular one
was even worse
with the sisters...perhaps...there feeling reaction to it might be worse...but
ya know it’s
still the brothers...If ..if our life is based on works...that faith becomes
works
somehow...that’s just it ..it is more telling on the brothers...and it’s
the brothers therefore
that um...that’s why I have been speaking of the brothers being set free...think
it’s true?
(yes)...Without grace you’re on a crossing your fingers basis. I asked a
while ago
“Are you trying to talk Jesus into saving you?” Remember..(yes)
trying to convince him
into saving you. (yes) my goodness...
Ya know the whole while, I never tried to take Jesus' place..no way and was
always
speaking against it...and yet that’s what the devil arranged...now think
about it...something
like that in effect....Without grace the chain of how everything connects
to Jesus is broken.
So all becomes mysterious..grace is meant to be the framework, format....I’m
saying
"salvation is a gift while under the counter you have to earn it by faith."
Why don’t the
brothers marry, because they have no confidence. Why don’t they have confidence,
because of their impossible task....what do you think of that brothers?...(yes
yeah makes a
lot of sense)...
Brother 4: Many of the ones that are married, their marriages aren't very
good because of the
same problem...
Faith has almost become almost an end in itself ...how’s that?(yeas) one
of the translations calls it
the instrument...the tool....by the way But I wonder ..Gayle? there
are of course a lot of salvation
tracts floating around ..you pick em up right?(yes) Are they all the very
same thing?(pretty much)
that I t’s faith, faith, faith, that it’s never grace? (nooo, it’s grace
yeah grace) it’s grace?
(yeah yes yeah)....I picked one up..I saw one yesterday, it was zero grace....or
a few days ago
.there certainly must be grace....
Brother 5: isn’t even the King James translation...don’t they even word it,
don’t they say...
“it is through grace you are saved by faith?
Stewart: Yeah..same thing..that’s Revised...same thing...
(noo no, it’s by grace ..)
Stewart: say again...say again..I can’t hear ya
Brother 5:: I thought the kings James Version as I have seen it on those
tracts.said. “By Grace
you have been saved through faith..the KJV
(wait..wait...you changed it ...you said it differently the first time)
Stewart : It says "by" ..I’ll bet ya..it says by grace through faith..(right)
Faith is the lesser and
Grace is the greater, doesn’t matter what translation...(yeah) that’ll come
out...Grace is
the basis... ..all the faith in the world...if He doesn’t extend His grace....Now
..that’s
jumping the gun... without grace as the basis...Be zealous to confirm your
call and election
becomes trying to convince Jesus to save you(yes)... because the fact that
nobody is
picking up on grace.. and you haven’t been...You haven’t been picking up
on it... the fact that
nobody’s been picking up on it...as much as I have already gone into it...shows
how
deeply everyone is into “Faith, it’s up to me”ecetera...instilled in...think
a that...
There is no receiving His grace with thanksgiving.... which is almost the
basis of Christian
life....Christian Life..that’s right...where’s Orange...now..no grace...Does
the word grace
appear anywhere...just the word...let alone ...I’ll bet it doesn’t....Things
we looked at...it
doesn’t...We got a long way to go people ..are you getting restless?(noooo)
Notice there
is a lot of running out..(yes...maybe take a 10 minute break....) It’s 5:00
now....We can
either keep going or take a break or break for supper(brwaksupp 10min
keep)Well...well...we could take a vote...remembering that for freedom(everyone
together)
Part 4 of the Grace Meeting
Christ has set us free(thank you Jesus) what’s the rest though..(everyone)
Stand fast
therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.) To a Yoke of (slavery)
To a yoke
of salvation by faith or works.... Are the brothers starting to realize how
Jesus is starting
to set all of US free?(yeees) how many are only starting to? how many think
they half
understand it pretty much?...well...that’s getting there...Now let’s vote...on
the break or
keep going....keep going such as...I mean I don’t want to dwell on me..but
aah...up to a
point it’s important...the way I have operated...my spirit.....what God is
doing with
me...how He’s been leading me...and then finally ...the right view and balance
that’s a big
one..what is the right ..what is right then?... well starting that... and
about grace... and
other smaller...or should we take a break?....(take a break) or should we
take supper?
( supper)... What is God’s will?( go a little further)(Why don’t we take
a vote?)
you see when you sing amazing grace...doesn’t really hit you huh?(yes it
does..no, no)take
a vote on it then(yes)...how many say we break for supper now? how many say
we take a 10
minute break?...How many say no break and no supper?(laughter) Well it’s
pretty obvious
that most want a break....(yes) right?(yes) so everybody vote on a 10 minute
break or a
supper break(yeah) is supper ready?
Vinnie: Yeah ...if were gonna have a break I think it should be for supper,
because if we
go on to 7:00 its ahh it makes things..hard..the food will be getting messed
up(laughter)
okay you ready? how is that pure Vinnie and our fellowship? Well ...life
and actions are to
be interpreted in terms of the nearest circumstance only and we must act
on the basis of
the closest circumstance....never raise up our eyes into the context of greater
things....ahh
now supper is pretty great that’s true but but..(laughter) there may
be even greater
things...pitiful little “it’s gonna get messed up.” (laughter)....Take courage
Vinnie! Take
courage(laughter) see I’m strengthening the brothers!(laughter) Take courage...
Vinnie: stupid thing I said...
Brother: (to Vinnie)Don't worry
Listen ah..let’s all vote on a 10 minute break or a supper break...Are we
all ready? (yes)
How many say a supper break now?(clamor) well..and how many say a 10 minute
break?
well they lost(laughing) Well since it’s everybody and I don’t know a reason
why to do
otherwise..maybe a supper break..we can agree on that then( yes) what do
you think?
(yes) what do you think about this meeting?(praise God thank you Jesus....)
Never would have thought of it... (nooo)
Denny Dennison: I always thought that we consciencely as a fellowship
never got into grace because of the potential to take advantage which I always
saw in the
other churches
Stewart: Hey..there’s a huge potential to take advantage..but tough luck
..that is the route
we must go(yes) cuz that’s the bible route...that is...yes there is a huge
potential...we’ll
have to get into that...you never would have thought this...it’s a big surprise(yes)....
Brother 6: yeah ..we went to see a brothers last night in Brighton Beach
Stewart: Can’t hear a word yer mumbling...
Brother 6: okay We went to see some brothers in Brighton Beach last night
and I
remembering saying “yo ..Jesus is...brother Stewart Jesus has been saving
him too.
Stewart: already did at least two weeks ago(thank you Jesus)...His grace is
greater than my
shame or my error(thank you Jesus...yeah praise God) the next time you’re
afraid to make
a mistake...because you’re afraid to, in sincerity, do what really looks
ruuu ..do what
really looks right, really checked..eh really looks right...His grace if if
ya are wrong His
grace is greater anyway(thank you Jesus) TWENTY FIVE YEARS OF ERROR?
...you try to beat that(laughter) 25 years of colossal error....
Brother 7: I read about..
Stewart: this is no little point..(yeah) Sonya says I should expound on grace
more..remember? That’s the ans ah taloowa..you’re the one ..expound on grace
more..he
ha ..that’s the answer huh? MYYYYY...it’s an awful lot more than that...this
mortal sin...I
thought that was a big deal..I made a mistake...I did...Ha I thought that
I was... I bought a
bill of goods.that was awful...but that wasn’t even the tip of the iceberg...remember
that?(yes) once in a
lifetime bible study I called it..remember?(yes)Oh my goodness....It is very
very hard... a
month from now you try to picture somebody...actually being oblivious to
grace...and is
fervent in Jesus as I have been...and put that together...a month from now
..you try and
figure that out..impossible....which leads you to wonder...God purposely
made me blind to
it..."so I am not responsible"(stewart in a mocking tone)..eh pa..purposely
made me blind to it..etc.. but ah....needs to
understand when I said I’m glad it’s that bad because it’s proof ..it’s my
written
evidence..what I already know in my spirit...that I didn’t do it... I did
it in
ignorance...there’s the proof....it’s not there...if it was half there messed
up...that might
make me wonder....so I’m glad it’s that bad...it’s zero...you don’t get it
huh?(yeas) a lot
more to it...what do you think about this..(thank you Jesus....)
later we will have to discuss
your forgiveness of me or the lack of it...that’s a subject.... now
are we all ready to pray
together?(yes).....
(after prayer)
Mike Montoya interrupting: Does anyone else find this incredible? That Stewart
would treat Forgiveness for 17 years of false teaching, verbal and
emotional abuse as a topic??!?!?!?
Brother 7: it’s gonna take a while to digest...
Brother 8:: For me , it shows how much Jesus loves you fiercely..
Stewart: Boy ...that is my hope right there...it is said “He has become my
salvation”....that
I dare trust him...what He has done for me...even through this....
Brother 9: Seems to me, like a beginning, a beginning of a better relationship
with Jesus
and with each other(yes)
Stewart: based on the sufficiency of His grace(thank you Jesus)
Lauren Albrecht: I’m not sure but I, I heard that the man that wrote or that
Jesus gave the words to Amazing Grace, that he was a Christian for
a long time and came
to the realization that he was on the wrong basis..and that..
Stewart: really?
Lauren: God gave him the words that God marked him with Amazing Grace
Brother 10: there’s a little more than that..
Stewart: is that right?
Brother 11: Actually...he was a seafarer.. and he dealt in slavery,
he was a Christian and
he backslid very grossly and he came back to God and the last part of his
life, he was
extremely faithful..and close to Jesus but he used to deal in slavery
Bobby Whipple: He was He was in a very serious He was in the Church of England,
they
thought he committed apostasy...they told him he was finished and ah...because
of all the
sins that he chose..serious sin he was into when he was in Africa
Brother 11: Drinking and slavery
Bobby: then he uh called out ta, he did call out to God and Jesus forgave
him and that’s
why he wrote the song..Amazing Grace .(wow...thank you Jesus)
Stewart: so you see he..he..again...you know we gotta change everything,...He
called out
to God...he put his faith in God’s grace..
Bobby: yeah
Stewart: and then called out to God....is what yer saying(yeah yeah) And
he knew that that’s
what he was was doing then.....same as me....Let’s hear some more brothers
and sisters.....
Brother 12 : I know when I was backsliden it seems ah, the times when
I could see Grace
most clearly in fact, ah pretty much the only times that I considered it
was when I was the
very most out of it..with the noose around my neck and the rope broke
Brother 13: physically
Brother12 : I considered his grace a lot more than I considered my faith
at that point
Stewart: that makes sense
Brother 14: I saw God's grace when He made me trust him with 3 children....and
I ...will continue
Stewart: (whispering) that's His mercy...
Brother 15: I think that God has let this happen this long....and what is
His plan for us(yeah yes..muttering thank you Jesus)
Bob Muller: It is his grace that brought us safe thus far...(and grace willl
bring me home...praise God ..thank you Jesus)
Stewart: You don't have the view that Salvation is over and done with..?(starting
to..starting to now..muttering) Right kind of view of that... Otherwise Grace
would no longer be grace...