The SECOND PART OF transcript I just finished Nov. 18 2010. Current members accused me of leaving things out of the previous transcription. It may be that they saw the first transcript of the Grace Meeting and thought that I purposely did not include the next portion. I did not have this recording and indeed I do not have the entire meeting right now. I am working with all that is in my possession. If current members have the entire recording, they could make arrangements to get the ENTIRE set of tapes to me. Let me also say that this next portion in some ways is more damning than the first part. I hope to write a commentary for ex-members and current members to read and examine. Another brother will separately, without my contact, also write a commentary. Two witnesses to this evidence that Stewart should no longer pastor our brethren.
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Part 3 of the Grace Meeting
That is , violence has been done to faith and spirit too! And then....the actual wrong came
in which is relying on faith.....to the point(sighing) I was right...you are saved by faith, by
the way that’s in the summary....it’s both. Twice, we are saved by faith, don’t you people
ever check your bible?(yes)
I wonder if you have more appreciation of the working of God’s grace among us
now?(yes) Grace enough to overcome this sin. Where sin abounds , grace abounds all the
more. Shall we therefore sin...God knows that I did it in ignorance...I didn’t plan this...I
assume that you all know that(yes)
What about another explanation.....as he said.. without such a foundation..means that
there is no framework, there is no sight of the framework....everything is sort of
disconnected in a strange feeling kinda way, and every week it is a new direction and
teaching and it isn’t connected to the foundation, the basis which is grace....which is the
way it must be.....minus grace ..all the good things are floating. And how do you ever tie
them together? Well you couldn’t but I quote could. In some sort of a running on
automatic pilot....do you start to get a picture?(yes) There’s no confidence
therefore...confidence is a Big word....big....or..as it is written...”how come they never
marry.?”.....for that one alone I repent...for that one alone....Because you have to be like
Stewart first(yeah)....and the amazing marriage that He has given me...which is near
per...not me.....I’m far from perfect..in fact, Gayle is close to perfect...did you ever hear..I
heard some of you people say “ She’s not , she’s like not human.”(yes laughing) that
marriage itself is nothing but the grace of God. Nothing but. In fact she looked up and
found, “ He who finds a wife”, it’s very close, by the way, grace , what is grace? we’ll
have to get into that(undeserved ..undeserved mercy) hold it hold it hold it, that is the
stupidest thing there is, I say , with my fervent spirit, undeserved mercy...that is stupid to
talk like that, because mercy is never mercy if it is deserved....so you’re saying mercy is
mercy when you’re saying Mercy is undeserved mercy.....fix your brain..in order for to be
mercy otherwise grace would no longer be grace...in order to be mercy it can’t be
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or it isn’t mercy...What is this stupid undeserved mercy...and
that is what
people say!!(yeah yeah)Listen Listen..it doesn’t even make sense...just in words.....Oh
maybe you do deserve some other kind of mercy..do you?(nooo)well..what is this? now think
about it....You know I haven’t lost my confidence..my confidence is in Jesus...now where
it should have been all along but it wasn’t ....and therefore I confidently will say that...what
is this undeserved mercy? Get your head screwed on! Noo?! (yes) Now think about it...
Mercy is mercy is all yer sayin.....you don’t get it?(yeyyss..noo)If eh rather eh Grace is
mercy..yer saying Grace is mercy yer saying Grace equals mercy and it doesn’t....They are
two different things....Grace is something...and it is certainly undeserved as all mercy is..or
it wouldn’t be mercy....now anyway..anyway...um..anyway...what was I saying before
about that...oh yeah “he who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor, now grace
is close to favor...close...it’s not...but that's approach..that’s one of the words that are
around grace...that you’ve found favor...that He has extended his grace ..although the
grace of God and the grace of Jesus Christ too,by the way, two different things....we gotta
get into this...see somehow I got saved....And I still think I got saved...I still think I got
saved. did I get saved two weeks ago? Well I think I have to say I got saved 25 years
ago...I think... but that’s another matter...I got saved or whatever....and right away...right
away...ahh....again you know, ..there’s another thing. I bought a bill of goods in a way
....because what does everybody do...you get saved....and then you go to
church...and that’s about it....anyway..ahh..something like that..I got saved and I lost
interest in ..that's ..I don’t remember doing it , I’m saying...I must have something like lost
interest in salvation...it was no longer interesting...now well it’s over..I mean ah...and I
must have been acting something like that...perhaps having bought that picked that
up..who knows..anyway...that’s something...in that area...well all right it’s no longer
interesting....so now I’ll get in the Old Testament now I’ll start interpreting...and that’s
what happened...it was a process..iin the process since....and uh got into interpreting this
and interpreting that and and Matthew 24....meanwhile the most important teaching of all,
salvation, and the most important part of the most important teaching was nowhere. An
nobody noticed. Now, in a nutshell, that’s a process sense...dya
follow?(yes) that’s partly what happened....Yes..eh..Gayle thought studying Matthew 24
would do that...over the years ..how many secretly dreaded it because fear “I could
loose my salvation, with such an extreme testing , will I make it? (yeah yeashyes)”.....it's up to me(voices in response)
and you know it’s the brothers ...again...that may ..that particular one maybe even worse
with the sisters...perhaps...there feeling reaction to it might be worse...but ya know it’s
still the brothers...If ..if our life is based on works...that faith becomes works
somehow...that’s just it ..That's more telling on the brothers...and it’s the brothers therefore
that um...that’s why I have been speaking of the brothers being set free...think it’s true?
(yes)...Without grace you’re on a crossing your fingers basis. I asked a while ago
“Are you trying to talk Jesus into saving you?” Remember..(yes) trying to convince him
into saving you. (yes) my goodness...
Ya know the whole while, I never tried to take Jesus' place.. in no way and would always
speaking against it...and yet that’s what the devil arranged...now think about it...something
like that in effect....Without grace the chain of how everything connects to Jesus is broken.
So all becomes mysterious..grace is meant to be the the uh framework, format....I’m saying
"salvation is a gift while under the counter you have to earn it by faith." Why don’t the
brothers marry, because they have no confidence. Why don’t they have confidence,
because of their impossible task....what do you think of that brothers?...(yes yeah makes a
lot of sense)...
Brother 4: Many of the ones that are married, their marriages aren't very good because of the
STEWART: Faith has become almost an end in itself ...how’s that?(yeas) one
of the translations calls it
the instrument...the tool....by the way I wonder ..Gayle? y'know there are of course a lot of salvation
tracts floating around ..you pick em up right?(yes) Are they all the very same thing?(pretty much)
that It’s faith, faith, faith, that it’s never grace? (nooo, it’s grace yeah grace) huh? There is grace?
(yeah yes yeah)....well I picked one up..I saw one yesterday, it was zero grace....or a few days ago
.there certainly must be grace....
Brother 5: isn’t even the King James text...doesn't it say something the word it, don’t they say...
“it is through grace you are saved by faith?
Stewart: Yeah..same thing..that’s Revised...same thing...
(noo no, it’s by grace ..)
Stewart: say again...say again..I can’t hear ya
Brother 5:: I thought the kings James Version as I have seen it on those tracts.said. “By Grace
you have been saved through faith..the KJV
(wait..wait...you changed it ...you said it differently the first time Adrian)
Stewart : It says "by" ..I’ll bet ya..it says "by grace through faith.."(right) Faith is the lesser and
Grace is the greater, doesn’t matter what translation...(yeah) that’ll come out...Grace is
the basis... ..all the faith in the world...and if He doesn’t extend His grace....Now ..that’s
jumping the gun... without grace as the basis...Be zealous to confirm your call and election
becomes trying to convince Jesus to save you(yes)... because the fact that nobody is
picking up on grace.. and you haven’t been...You haven’t been picking up on it... the fact that
nobody’s been picking up on it...as much as I have already gone into it...shows how
deeply everyone is into “Faith, it’s up to me”ecetera...instilled in...
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think a that...
There is no receiving His grace with thanksgiving.... which is almost the basis of Christian
life....Christian Life..that’s right...where’s Orange...now..no grace...Does the word grace
appear anywhere...just the word...let alone ...I’ll bet it doesn’t....Things we looked at...it
We got a long way to go, people ..are you getting restless?(noooo)
is a lot of running out..(yes...maybe take a 10 minute break....) It’s 5:00 now....We can
either keep going or take a break or break for supper(brwaksupp 10min, go for a while why don't we take a vote, go till supper? )
)Well...well...we could take a vote...remembering that for freedom(everyone together)
Part 4 of the Grace Meeting Christ has set us free(thank you Jesus) what’s the rest though..(everyone) Stand fast
therefore and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.) To a Yoke of..? (slavery) To a yoke
of salvation by faith "quote" "works".... Are the brothers starting to realize how Jesus is starting
to set all of US! free?(yeees) how many are only starting to?(just a little) how many think they half
understand it pretty much?...well... That's that’s getting there...Now let’s vote...on the break or
keep going....keep going such as...I mean I don’t want to dwell on me..but aah...up to a
point it’s important...the way I have operated...my spirit.....what God is doing with
me...how He’s been leading me...and then finally ...the right view and balance that’s a big
one..what is the right ..what is right then?... well starting that... and about grace... and
other smaller things...or should we take a break?....(take a break) or should we take supper?
( supper)... now what is God’s will?(supper, I think it's God's will to keep going,)(Why don’t we take a vote?)
Cut 6 stops here at 3 minutes 50 sec. The 1st tape keeps going here
This is the transcript I just finished Nov. 18 2010. Current members accused me of leaving things out of the previous transcription. It may be that they saw the first transcript of the Grace Meeting and thought that I purposely did not include this next portion. I did not have this recording and indeed I do not have the entire meeting right now. I am working with all that is in my possession. If current members have the entire recording, they could make arrangements to get the ENTIRE set of tapes to me. Let me also say that this next portion in some ways is more damning than the first part. I hope to write a commentary for ex=members and current members to read and examine. Another brother will also separately, without my contact, also write a commentary. Two witnesses to this evidence that Stewart should no longer pastor our brethren.
Stewart: Now, you must understand, I'm not a fraud. I'm not a phony. I'm not a Jim Jones as they say. I'm not a false teacher. What I am is a poor one. I said I was glad, glad, that it's this bad. Job said, "Make me know how I have erred." He said, "If only God would write the indictment, I'd be proud of it."Well, I didn't, He didn't have to write the indictment, I did. Furthermore,........................by the way, I was reading a while ago that bad memory that I'm extremely having..I was reading that this is due to stress and what was the other one? stress and something like that. Job said, "Make me know how I have erred." Also, "Those who err in spirit will come to understanding. We'll have to get into, somehow it's my spirit, somehow I erred in spirit. before erring in words. But um, oh yes, I'm glad, I'm glad that it's that bad, trying to put in why, because it is written proof to my sanity that indeed I did it in ignorance. That is, I can see, had I had I tried to deceive, I wonder if I could have done it as well. I tried to remove grace this well, leave no traces, tried to make some weird thing, which I , even I can't say I did, when I see how well it is done. that uh..that's the reason that I have received mercy. right there. It is that I did it in ignorance. colossal eh colossal thing that is that "sin abounds, grace abounds all the more. The subject to which I was oblivious for 25 years while getting more of it all the time. This subject, my error, was the subject of grace. We'll get into that later. The Language....but uh shows all the more that it's by His grace that He shows me, no one else did. Only He could have, I couldn't, I didn't. The fact that He showed me and at this point in time. You say breaking down, you don't know how badly I was breaking down. At this point in time when He's clearly uh rescuing us all, He rescued me. I mean rescued. I wonder if "petering" I wonder. I was petering out. I wonder if that word actually means, actually comes from Peter's problem which is my problem. partly.
All these things these ills from the brothers at least are made worse by me everyone of them.
Brother: All of them?
Stewart: All these things, I think everything. Maybe everything. But certainly a lot and at least I've been making it worse. Well, His grace toward me. The fact that I, that I can exist... you know, you may not have thought of it yet, He could have rescued, He could have wiped me out and rescued the church very easily. He could've anyone. I was oblivious. I don't know how it could happen. But in fact, you knew it, I was oblivious to grace. It's one of the two. I was oblivious to grace or have totally being, total deceiver the whole while. It's one of the two. When you read, do you understand, that we looked in this book and cannot find the word grace, except in the middle of of Faith in your Salvation, quotes the verse, "For by grace are you saved" and that makes it worse yet and and totally oblivious to it everywhere else......what?
Andrew: and then it's all us got to have got to have faith
Stewart: Faith has become, so-called faith has become everything. Therefore, it's on me. We'll get into, "I could take it, the brothers couldn't" I could take it for longer. that's all.
Brother: well I tell ya I seen grace at work in my life and in a lot of us when I rededicated, I knew it was nothing I did and with a lot of brothers who returned I could see it was a big example of God's grace, Him doing that, I think specifically to show His grace that He has on us. I think about that a lot. ( voices in agreement)
Stewart: I have not been acknowledging His grace. Not in my, not in my own life. Not making it known. Still can't believe that I did it. I have to of course. While we're on the subject. When did I ever speak on the subject of my sinfulness? (murmurs of " I would say never, never really")
Brother: I remember you telling us once that if we lived inside your body for a minute we would go crazy.
Stewart: Did I? (yeah, yes)
Brother: I remember you saying a few times that "I was the worst one among you."
Stewart: Yeah, I said it a thousand times. I'm no better. But nobody believed it. (right right, that you had so much faith) "Because I have so much faith, because I can take it. heh. uh... I said a thousand times I'm no better. But somehow my spirit is selling that I'm sinless.(yeah, yeah true) therefore the brothers must be sinless like Stewart and everything will be alright. (right, right) and many such things, many such proofs. I have a boxful now. Along with a last little pack at the end, "Maybe it wouldn't have mattered anyway." That is a, a ah..is it perverse or is it something else? It's now that it really matters. The older brothers. How much difference would it have made. That's a good question. Try try anyway with your next 18 year old. one would think it doesn't matter what you say. However, be that as it may, it's with the older brothers that uh, it becomes extreme.
Stewart: When did you hear me say much at all on the subject of repentance?( voices mixed)
Brother: It always seemed up to us. We had to do it. Grace wasn't talked about in repentance.( voices, "I might be mistaken but I think quite a bit,"perhaps he's talking about repentance
Stewart: I think I've repented more in the last 2 weeks and then 2 months and then a hundred times more than eh than everythi everything else put together until I wondered what has been going on. y'know I, I am given to dramatic exaggerations to make a point. I'm not exaggerating. I am not exaggerating. We as a church to this moment, and that's another one, when, where, and how did we become a church, if we ever did, when where and how does any church become a church if and when it does? And for that matter, Where, when, and how if there is a where, when, and how is someone born again or are they saved? A lot of this is ah...We have to redo everything...from the bottom up. And that is no exaggeration. Grace is much more important than faith. And that was completely turned around. And more than that. We as a church to this moment have no appreciation of grace.
Look at this. I practically said what it was and what you heard the last 2 months and you still didn't go to, grace is the problem.(coughing) Haven't you looked in these books lately and noticed there's no grace?(yeah, no no) with all the grace talk (sounded so good) What sounded so good?(you know something something that's) How many did, by the way, and didn't say it? How many of you thought, the problem is grace? There is no grace. y'didn't say it.
Brother: I thought I thought I thought it was, grace was different because there's been more emphasis. (he already said that)
Denny: The way I was looking at it was, I was looking at it, I was looking at more from the place of I thought you were getting more of an appreciation for grace but it never dawned on me that we
Stewart: more of an appreciation (That's what I thought)( I never really thought that) Listen, Listen, Gayle's only language is a while ago God woke me up. It was that bad. He woke me up. And rescued me. And he has in fact, (sigh) and uh, that's hope (that you can see) Grace is the foundation. Jesus Christ himself is the foundation but the next thing on is grace. So he is the foundation on Jesus. Grace is the founda, building on Jesus, grace immediately. And this teaching is a house built on sand. Not the church, the hou, the teaching is built on sand. And the teaching has come to nothing. It is based on error and contains error, contains appalling errors. Flat statements contrary to the gospel, flat contrary. I can be bitter toward all my friends as Job of course. But, having his lesson, I haven't been impatient. You know it's been hard for me to say anything to you people for 10 days, knowing all this, not wanting to start things wrongly. And 2 months previously and longer that God was waking me up. I sat here at the last meeting at the end noticing that I was unable to put together grace, election, sanctification, unable to speak of these things. The great teacher unable.
Very hard for me to to uh believe it. Gayle found this verse in scripture, won't tell you where, look it up later. It's about Apollos, who went around with Paul. Apollos was was teaching about Jesus, quite accurately and with a fervent spirit but he was in error. Pricilla , Aquila took him aside and they told him the real story and then those who had received grace heard him gladly. (murmur of assent wow...) Indicating that, indicating that it may have been the very same thing. Those who had received grace heard him gladly. Now do you remember that verse? (yeah) Don't bother now, in fact, FORGET YOUR BIBLES, pay attention. I'm the lesson today, not the Bible. I myself am the lesson. So learn a lesson. His fervent spirit, his fervent spirit was and some accuracy yes and he was well versed in the scriptures. I used to be maybe. And he went with his fervent spirit in the synagogue, in the synagogue he went around insisting on Jesus but apparently uh devoid of grace. Apparently oblivious, indicating maybe that was the problem. Certainly oblivious to something. And then those who had received grace afterwards heard him gladly. And later he was as follows
For 25 years? Was it? By the way. To your shame, well, they didn't really. I walked in here and I actually said..and nobody threw up. I actually said, "Can't you rely on your faith?" That's worse than saved by faith. Now you're even relying on it, it's everything. You rely on your faith. How many of you said, you didn't , you didn't say it, but you thought "that is wrong!" Let's hear it! How many said, that is wrong, Let's Hear It! Up or Down! What did you say Bob?
Bob: I thought it was wrong cuz we just had a lesson on relying on Jesus. but
Stewart: What is, what is the use of all these lessons? These lessons are accomplishing nothing. It's my fervent spirit that's doing everything. You're not listening to the lessons even as far as they do go. You do what I do. I say "don't smoke" but I smoke so what do you do?(smoke). It's nothing but God's grace that which I was oblivious which has brought us thus far, nothing but. It's all the more clear. Even with that error of that magnitude, so that the deepest possible error. I can't believe that no other Christians, I can't believe that no other Christians, an error of that magnitude, could not be spotted. I can't believe it. But there it is. Where is grace? Faith in His promise. Where is grace? Yes, the concept is good. And in fact all the better, 12 ways to practice, that's all the better, that word. Because that's what this is practicing. Now the real use of faith..that
Stewart: That's something else. These are indeed, 12 ways to practice where they, where they properly...speaking of grace and the other matters. But the real use of grace, and the real use of faith rather is in believing and in walking by faith that we are God's chosen and elect and that His grace is given to us. We have to get into this and thereby..grace is first, faith is second. We are saved by grace not by faith. We're saved through faith. Faith is necessary. But faith is the basis. Now of course it's ruined. I wonder. I might as well say it (I'll just go ahead) If you took this book to all the, to the uh bible schools, would they say this is good? I, I, I'm appalled to say I think they would. I think they would buy it. It is written with a fervent spirit and is saying good and right things. The word "subtle"...this is nothing but the work of the devil. Period, nothing but. It is so subtle, so beautiful and perfect. Wish I coulda done that well. Wish I was that good. I'm not. Therefore, who has saved us all these years? (Jesus! by grace, by His grace)
Stewart: And you have this feeling Stewart is saving us. That's what you have, your feeling( voices of accent) somehow. One of the last.....I was handing out these comments about the, this meeting, y'know I hand 'em out, one a day. The last one, I didn't hand out was, "I wish the the uh Christian movie Hollywood cameras could be here for this meeting." to uh make a movie of this meeting. ya think?(yeah)The rest of it was, the rest of the saying was "I've worked very hard for this meeting and I deserve it" (right) and that was going to be the card. Well I have worked very hard. I grew weary with hard doing. Even I grew weary. Sin began showing up in my behavior. Poor Gayle, had to bear the brunt of it. And toward all of you. How was I behaving toward you?
Brother: A cruel father like
Stewart: Let's hear it. A year, 6months, two years? 5 years? Can't figure it out huh?(no) There's a lot of good practical things in here, they helped you a lot if only the basis were there. In fact, If only the false basis weren't there and the right one was. If somebody were trying to avoid grace but still trying to make something look accurate, I wonder how much better they coulda done? Maximum accuracy minus grace. If you're gonna try that, I wonder how you could do much better? If that were the goal, I don't think I could have done that well. There is an amazing space where amazing grace should have been. (yeah, some laughter). There really is. And we used to sing that(yeah)back in 137. I am appalled at the whole thing.
Stewart: of this you have heard before and the word of truth, the gospel which has come to you as indeed in the whole world, it is bearing fruit and growing so among yourselves. From the day you heard and understood the grace of God in truth. Understood?! I never, I never knew it. Literally. I was totally oblivious. Totally oblivious. I know I did it in ignorance. Can you believe that?(mixed voices) find hard to believe it is,(ST voice louder) the amazing thing, God has done amazing things through me for you! many many many, every one of them was only His grace! It wasn't me at all. In fact, it was in spite of me. Now think of that for (unclear). You couldn't do much better on a Grace Hollywood movie. And is there someone more sincere than me? Maybe, maybe not.
Now, what in me could ever, Is it something in me, I, I assume. Why did God allow that? Is it dawning on you that I have been oblivious, grace doesn't exist, doesn't exist. You never heard me speak it did you?( no, no , not until recently)
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Brother: beginning to
Stewart: different heh.(laughter)
Brother: Seems a lot more fair to me that really is Grace is the basis and I haven't been living according to that.
Stewart: Let's hear it(it's gonna take time) a week at the most (laughter)However(laughter)However, what's needed is starting all over again(yes)God has consigned all of us, that he might have mercy on all and error. We're gonna pray together, Lord willing. Now how are we gonna pray together?(mixed voices, the words by his grace and mercy and salvation are heard) You know it's almost against the uh scripture almost, that all that you do, do in thankfulness for the grace that you've received. You realize that? All that you do, do in thankfulness for the grace that you have received. Not hoping to earn something. Are we ready to pray together?(yes)Tape turned off then on))))
Stewart: Thank you Jesus(thank you Jesus)So how's your shock value people?(mixed voices..."it's getting less")On the other hand some of you were well on your way, 25 years of no grace. No appreciation of grace. you know it's been 10 days now that I've realized that, 10 days and I am shocked as ever, still total shock. I don't see how I could have done that. I keep saying that, I don't know how I could have done it but I did it. How very very hard to believe, but there you have it. Now uh, however why don't we get into instead of uh...What we need to do is redo everything uh..redo our lives as individuals and as a fellowship so that everything is firmly based on grace.(thank you Jesus)Now face it. It hasn't been. That is God's grace has been working for us but eh our lives and and uh fellowship has not been based on grace at all. So, how do we do it, easier said than done.(yes)Any suggestions?
You know something we gotta start? Bible studies such as we had 20 years ago, now what was it like Gayle?
Gayle: Where would all fellowship together in trying to understand God's will and not be assuming Stewart knows everything and just sitting there waiting for him to show us.(murmur of assent "right, I agree").
Stewart: Now how do you like that.. Bob Whipple was there Neil was there.. There was not the assumption that Stewart knows everything.
Bob: right we had We would all get together at 137,and Jesus would show us things and we'd be all get in there, Jesus would be showing brother Stewart things...
Stewart: Harold? Where's Harold? Is he here?
Stewart: See Harold was there.(yep) We used to have bible studies and that one little house was all we had(yep)and,
Bob: we were all involved, it wasn't always Brother Stewart we were all given our opinions, what we thought it meant and everything, and y'know Jesus was using all of us together.
Stewart: I was starting from scratch at that time and that's what I'm doing now. How do you like that?(wow, thank you Jesus)what was I saying just humanly, just humanly alone, try that, and you're 53 and you say "well yes, the last 25 years, come to think of it, I was all wrong, okay, I'll start all over again. Just try that. At 53, just in anything human. However that's the state, and it's not human, infinite way way eternal and yet that's what's needed. I and everyone must start over and in fact a bunch a backsliders all the more(yeah)therefore, therefore, and another thing maybe it wouldn't have mattered actually we running out of these books anyway so it's(laughter)(end of cut 6)
Stewart: Everybody asks, "How's your relationship with Jesus?" You ask that all the time, right, to each other? (yeah) And you immediately follow it with, "Is it based on his grace?" Right? (no, no then pledges to change that) Is relationship with God based on His grace?(hesitating...yess)How do you know?..heheh at this point. well alright by faith...however that's what you gotta ask. And that's what you gotta be looking for, actually more, looking for what it means...How do you see the grace of God? How do you know if someone is based on the grace of God or whatever? Brother: Because the kindness of your life. How He shows you and gives you things and does things in your life and it's nothing that you do, it's that He does it for you. Stewart: Okay but eh, our fellowship must be in grace, by the way, uh why not instead of calling these backslider's meetings, why not call them "Grace" meetings (yeah Thank you Jesus) Do you realize that were saved by grace(yep) and kept by grace(yeah) What does it mean, "My grace is sufficient for you"? That means you get all you need. (yeah, yep)He gives more grace to the humble. Remember that, therefore he gives more grace(yeah yes)We are saved and kept. That's going to be very obvious. Yes, you don't want to accept that I too make mistakes and really serious ones because.... if you don't have to face that then you don't have to trust Jesus, because I'm perfect, you just trust me (yeah)see? Same old thing. You don't want to accept , see what's going on, after that last session? That's part of what's going on. You don't want to accept what?
Bobby: I saw myself in other words when you when you ah you know when you told and said the truth about yourself, I was shocked because uh I was more trusting you and uh trusting all uh but uh rather than relying on Jesus to show me things. more trusting that you would show me things I think that's the reason I acted that way. yknow shocked shocked y'know
Stewart: It started out as Jesus showing you things through me(right)But then what did it turn into?(you, "Stewart told us", "Stewart said", Brother Stewart rather than Jesus)
Brother: It did start out with Jesus...... through you and um just taking for granted and uh getting into uh just trusting that you'll tell us what to do
Stewart: So then scriptures aren't the authority, Stewart is.(right)On the other hand, these lessons, all the loose pieces, that's what this is, all the loose pieces floating around with no grace to to uh unify uh if the loose pieces floating around are that good, what would it be with the real basis?(murmur of enthusiasm). where where uh ya don't have to stop every minute and say "well how does this connect to that and how does this connect to that and you gotta hold all these things in your head at once to make any sense out of it? ya'know what I mean?(yes) You need grace. Living accordingly ,that's another thing, according to God's grace as our basis. Whole new ball game, what did I say it'd be after this meeting?(whole new ball game).
Stewart: Now, somebody mentioned back there that grace is a chance to take advantage. Remember earlier? (yes) It sounds scary because it's a chance eh ...it certainly is and there's no question about it and that is the danger and wine is treacherous and salvation by works is a drag.(that's true, that's right , laughter) Therefore grace, faith and spirit. The problem with grace is take advantage and the classical with with grace, the classical with the grace problem is "once saved always saved" and "anything goes" That's the classic case and problem. spirit, well, you name it, wine is treacherous and the spirit is mad and well that could be anything...total ahh...there's a lot of wild spirit talk. You know what can happen and with ah faith again... own too much faith..(works)now the truth is all three are rightly put together by Jesus. All three are there. And there are problems with going overboard on on everyone of them.
Now it is true that with grace, the ah, the potential to take advantage is there. That's why earlier, I was saying that if you have to error, better to error the way I did. You don't get it? (yes)You don't get it huh? (yes) of the three, take advantage,(that's horrible) just take advantage of wuh..."I just say I'm sorry and move on" ah that's our basis, which is uh obviously, that's horrible, and how about wild spirit talk, just whatever. had to even defined (confusing) chaos total anything. It's been bad enough but now the idea is to make it right in all three. Now the chan the uh, uh grace gives us the chance to take advantage, there's no way around it. and you'll hea, you see a lot about that, hear and see a lot and and you realize it already?(yes) Grace says our salvation is already finished. We already have it. There's nothing left. There is nothing to work for. He said, "It is finished" and...that's it, it's all over. The problem is how do you react to it. Now, His chosen, the elect are so thankful that they have this salvation guaranteed, that they react in thankfulness, while the others react, you name it. But the real ones appreciate and wouldn't dream of taking advantage and are so thankful for the easy basis. Thereby prove who we are. Starting to make sense to you(yeah)We oughta get into this whole pack here called called , The Beginning of a right view and balance. I'll just read thru these things, a lot of notes, and we gotta study em..sitting up. On the one hand, once saved always saved. On the other hand, going round and round "Am I going to earn salvation by my faithfulness?" Now God ke, grace is the key to the right approach, the right balance. How do we arrive at the right balance between security in our salvation and our need and responsibility to walk by faith...and led by God's Spirit. And it really is God's Spirit, not me having fun. Now, how do we arrive at the right balance. "Right" in quotation marks, what God calls "right." which means security in our salvation, uh need and responsibility to walk by faith, and being led by God's Spirit. (all three). and here's another point that uh may sound strange, another thing will grow upon you. It isn't how faithful you are, it isn't how well you use your faith, that isn't the...eh, the most important thing is whether you have faith or not. Everyone, everyone who has faith is justified. Are you aware of that? While we're on the subject, let me tell you another one. However much I have sold this one, now what a shame ..Faith..(end of cut 7)
Stewart: now what a shame. Faith is a seed. much did, pathetic. Faith is not a seed. However, much did, did I sell that one(yes, seed of faith). Faith is not a seed. The truth is, the bible says, that we were assigned a measure of faith, each (end of CUT 8)
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much did, pathetic. Faith is not a seed. However, much did, did I sell that one(yes, seed of faith). Faith is not a seed. The truth is, the bible says, that we were assigned a measure of faith, each of us, long ago. We were assigned a measure of faith, a certain amount. And, His chosen ones, my sheep hear my voice, they react to His call by faith automatically. We have it, not all men have faith. But...all His chosen do. You have faith and when you hear the gospel, you respond to it by faith thereby beginning to prove who you are. while the others, "it did not meet with faith in the hearers and it was of no benefit to them. We're gonna have to get into that. That's one of the, one of the basies of telling who you are. Do you have faith? Are you of those who still have faith or have you lost it? Now, you gotta decide. We are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed but have faith, have it. We're justified by believing in Jesus. And we continue to be justified by faith. Now here's uh statement, something like this. By the measure of faith that was assign us long ago we respond to His call to come to Him and receive our measure of grace, perhaps we already received it. So receive grace which is always sufficient for us. Then by our faith we begin to realize that we are His chosen and elect. And this faith leads us to follow Him then. Not to earn salvation but as the normal result of salvation that has already been seen to exist and is further seen through faith. Now something like that. We're gonna find out.
I wonder the more evangelical a church is the more imbalance there is. Wonder if that's the rule. The price of fervency and evangelism is is error. I wonder if that is eh..that's just one to consider. "Free" is a grace word, one of the words around grace, "free." And being set..."free is a grace word being set free by and through grace is one of the fundamentals. We were set free by grace. Does that ring a bell?(( yeah)) not really((murmuring)) not really okay not really. But these will grow on you. Being set free by and through grace. For freedom Christ has set you free and don't use it to take advantage. Nevertheless he has set us free and it's over and done with. And we will prove who we are, if we value what he's done. The truth is we must be led by His Spirit to walk by faith in His saving grace. that's the sentence putting them together. The truth is we must be led by His Spirit, to walk by faith in His saving grace. Grace is the basis, but faith is how we operate. The gospel is the statement, Romans is the explanation, and the letters are the application.
Yeah ya come from grace in interpreting the New Testament, something I never did, try to interpret the New Testament. Now that I mention it, now I'm being double cautious now, but uh, the olive tree has something to do with grace. Whether it is Jesus...ah...grace working through Jesus, we are the branches, there's some connection in some way. We're gonna have to look for that. All that you do, do out of thankfulness that He has called you, justified you, supplied you with faith, and that you are His chosen, if you see these things are true in you. That is, "has He called you?" "has He justified you and given you faith? ((murmuring)) That right there is is proof that we are the elect then. We have to go into various ones of these and find them all so that we have confidence, real confidence and no false confidence. yeah Faith in His promise and it doesn't even mention grace. heh
By grace, His making a way and His decision, those are grace, ahh parts of what grace is. What is grace? That's a hard one. We have some uh..dictionaries here, we could go into. Is it more correct to say "relying on God's grace" then "relying on God?" or vice versa? We have to find out. How do you rely on Him except for His gift basis. Now grace something like a gift basis. Some connection, some way. While I'm on it. I still can't believe I walked in here and I actually even spelled it out I actually pushed it and said, "Is it wrong to rely on faith. Is it wrong to do it?" And you still went for it. Even with the "Is it wrong to..." right?(yeah) Think about that? I mean that's a red flag isn't it?(yes....nobody wagged) is it wrong to rely on faith? just think about that. Now uh,(unclear) the heart of the grace issue is the very fact that it's not by grace we're saved it's through grace. That one word makes a huge difference. We watch for that. You'll never see saved by faith in the Bible. We have them all written out here, all the combinations and words, how many. Saved by faith(huh) in bold letters twice. Relying on Jesus means relying on His grace a lot. There is no relying on Jesus without His grace. It isn't really relying on Him. Maybe good intentions and He's merciful. But it's wrong but He supplies more grace. If you were blind you would have no guilt. Well, we've been blind to His grace. That doesn't stop Him from supplying all the more though. (thank you Jesus) So learn a lesson. The order(clearing throat) the order saved by His grace, led by His Spirit, walking by faith. Those are the 3 that are necessary. They have to be rightly related and operating accordingly in our lives and in our church. Certainly among the older ones. Now the younger ones, well...the next lamb that you find...and another thing..this expression "leading someone to Jesus" is there any validity in that expression? Is that total...uh....we have to consider that. Another thing eh...Gayle has been watching me (clearing throat) Last few days uh (end of cut 10)
Stewart: speaking to unsaved about God's grace and the reaction, amazing reaction that that causes, it's very good at least uh what ai, what I have seen that's a slight matter we have to get into. Everyone of these especially to older people. Again, the younger people uh with 18 year olds, what did we used to say? (unclear) doesn't matter. God's grace, witnessing, making Jesus known to older people such as your parents.(yeah) now Here's a comment, "Righteousness comma Justified comma and Faith in the same verse or next to it in every case in Romans. Almost every case in Romans. That pattern, Righteousness, Justification, and Faith. Not surprising but uh we're going to look closely at it. Grace is given to us, in many verses, it's received by us, also in many verses. Faith increases but it's a measure assigned in the first place. That everyone who has faith maybe justified. Remember, everyone who has faith not everyone does (end of cut11)
Stewart: And is it true,ah I think it is true that grace grace meets with faith only in the elect. Grace meets with faith. That's one of the tests therefore. Is faith at work in your life and is grace at work in your life. We react with thankfulness. That's our response. The Old Testament version is "Because you did not serve the Lord with joy and gladness by reason of the abundance of all good things"... it's physical in the Old but spiritual in the new. But we react with thankfulness. Not because he gave us a new (unclear) but uh, out of thankfulness that uh we indeed are saved, are His. To him who has will more be given. To him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. The uh other verse, the other thing being "To him has election, will more grace be given and to him who has not the election, even what he has will be taken away. Now there's some correspondence there. analogy. God intends to save the elect. He intends to save the elect no matter what."Of those whom thou gavest me not one is lost but the son of perdition." Remember the elect react with thankfulness and the others take advantage. We have to get into that a lot. However much grace the elect need...it's 25 years of not valuing his grace or whatever...Time of grace, time of need, whatever it is He supplies it. My grace is sufficient, is what He said.
Now here's another one. Is this actually the the deeper view of salvation or is this the only right one that that we must give the lambs? Or how much of each? That is the unsaved 18 year old. How much grace? gotta consider that. Tell em the truth, of course, tell them the truth. How much of it though? How soon? and uh Can only speak one word at a time, present so much at a time. How do know what the balance is there? That's one of the ones we gotta find out. You know uh, you say 137, we used to have bible studies, yeah, for 3 years straight, every night, it was John chapter 3. For three years straight, every night, or was it 5 years straight. At least 3 years straight. Well, that's good and bad.
Well, for what it's worth, "by faith" is 35 times in the Bible, 19 of which are in Hebrews 11. "Through faith" is 22 times and we have the rest written out here. How about the basis of genuine confidence? Any ideas about it?
Paul: It is finished.
Stewart: How bout we know that we are in Christ because we know if we're fully going to Him, all that we are both good and bad, both, as with no kind of holding out, bad attitudes and we know he won't cast us out because that's his promise. therefore that we abide in Him. That's the source of confidence. That's the first source right there. Now, joy that we are the elect, how does that sound?((murmuring.. yeah good) that we are realize we are His chosen, that we have solid reason to say so. That's uh, that's where joy comes from.
Now when they went out, He sent them out two by two. And they were out, casting out demons and they came back..."Lord, even the demons are subject to us." And Jesus uh as you know, He said uh, "Don't rejoice at that but rather that your names are written in the Book of Life."(yeah) What does that show?(voices....Jesus is in control, doesn't depend upon my will or exertion)) one at a time.
Brother: I think it shows that He doesn't want us just to be thankful and rejoicing for the things He does through us and for us but that He added grace, He has grace toward us, He has , you know, He fills us for having Jesus in us, that's what he really wants us to be thankful for.
Stewart: First there was a hundred at once and now there's one only. What the matter the 99 are ashamed of what they said or what?
Brother: I think that, it's nothing that we do.
Stewart: Why do He say that?
Brother: Because Jesus, because God said, He reached man not man reached to God.
Stewart: Why'd He say that?
Brother: I think it's because it's that they're the elect, not what God has given him but that there the elect, they're going to heaven.
Brother: out of motivation, to being thankful
Brother: so we wouldn't be motivated by going out just to see, that they ah have more power than these people, that was the wrong attitude...that they would be that they were glad that they were saved by grace?
Brother: That, don't get into the wine they get right now but get more into the hope of going to be in heaven, get more fully into that
Brother: That it's by grace that they're names were written in the book of life rather than that they were casting out demons.
Brother: Take, Take encouragement from seeing Jesus do things in our life, but it should just be ah rejoicing that that's a sign we are His elect.
Stewart: Listen, He also said that "many will say that' did we not cast out demons' and He will say, 'I never knew you' ((yeah)). What's the point?
Brother: That the basis isn't the amount of work that Jesus was doing through them but that the basis was through grace. The basis is their right relationship with Jesus be of grace and not works.
Brother: well not that they were something of themselves but that He chose them(agreement)
Brother: that's right, that He chose, He chose them you know by His grace
Stewart: But where's the connection?
Brother: I was thinking that they're not saved through their works but they're saved by His grace and that they should be doing from that and that they should take confidence in that they're also saved and that they're with Him and that they don't have to turn.
Brother: you were chosen by God?
Brother: if We're, we're thankful that and rejoicing that Jesus did give us salvation then we'll be motivated from that rather than looking to any works
Brother: So we hope in Jesus and the resurrection instead of looking to doing it here the piety act.
Stewart: Well, it's really rejoice in the proof of who you are that you are. right? They were rejoicing at the results, right?(yeah yeah)sound familiar?(yes)Rather than what what res uh zuh what it proves about them. And He directed them to what it proves about them. (end of CUT 12)
what what res uh zuh what it proves about them. And He directed them to what it proves about them. Told them to rejoice in that.(thank you Jesus) that faith is at work(yeah) and other things. Our view has to change and fairly dramatically. It's in the view of grace that you'll come to see that everything makes sense. And, a lot of Christian life is wrapped up in in living by faith that in fact God's grace has specifically been extended to me. It's not blind faith either. All works have to be the result of thankfulness for grace not trying to earn something. The result of thankfulness, the desire to please Him and the evidence of His promise at in me. Any questions? Let's hear it. How much of you is spent trying to fig.....the amount of faith that you have, concerned with the amount rather than rejoicing over the fact that you have it and what that proves (a lot) If you have faith in Him that proves that you've been justified by Him. You realize that? However it wouldn't mean anything if you weren't centered in grace. These things would mean nothing. Yes, here's what He was really saying, "Don't rejoice that you have faith to cast out demons, rather rejoice because the fact that you have faith which means that your names are written in the book of life. Therefore, don't rejoice if you can do some work by faith and then feel that you're saved because of these works. Rather rejoice that the works complete the faith that justified you in the first place, that proves who you are. It's the fact that we have faith that is the good news because that's the proof that we are His. one of them. And there's no more need to try to convince Jesus to save you. it's the... trying to convince Jesus to save them rather than noticing that that He has saved them. (right). Both in His word and in your life.
Stewart : Then again, there's the score card issue. Now how's the score card going? ah 263 by the way, 37 more, thank you Jesus (thank you Jesus)another score card(laughing) 300 now, gotta open the doors now. Look at this, looks huge in there. Look at that. Thank you Jesus. How's the score card going?(not so good, murmuring) all right (better) now you score card people, let me ask you this. ah How do you tell the difference, what is your means in your score card for telling the difference between a big sin and a little sin? What have you decided, since you've obviously decided something? How do you go about it? hold on, You started it. I mean, You must have some way of doing it, how do you, how do you decide? What is a big sin and what is a little sin? Or uh little sins don't make it on the score card is that it?(no) end of tape