Stewart: 50, 75 here, at this time, Praise God, 12:15, look at this crowd. Hey, this is ridiculous. Now how can all these young people be gathered together, reading the bible? How can this be? Pardon Me.
THE “PARDON ME” WAS STEWART’S WAY OF ADDRESSING THOSE WHO WERE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO HIM OR DISTRACTING OTHERS FROM PAYING ATTENTION TO HIM
How can this be? You must be crazy! That was an interesting uh observation there, Remus. Let's get the bible study out and really get into the bible at this time, whadda ya say? And whoever has any comments to make, especially new comers to our happy group. We want you to feel free to make comments.
Brother: Express yourself
Newcomer: I would like to make a comment
Stewart: Express yourself, yes
Brother 2: I would like to say all new comers that makes you feel free to do the John 3:3 and be our brothers and sisters.
Stewart: Heavy, Praise God, say how about reports from the other fellowships at this time (yeah). Alright go ahead.
Patty: Hi my name is Patty and I'm from Bethlehem. (yeah) and we have a fellowship in Bethlehem and it's only 5 miles away from Allentown, and it's pretty heavy. (laughter)
THE WORD ‘HEAVY’ HAS A FEW MEANINGS. IF SOMEONE OR SOMETHING IS HEAVY, THEY ARE DEEP, IMPRESSIVE, NOTEWORTHY. LATER ST TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE MOVING TO A KIND OF CENTRAL TRAINING place in Allentown. It’s a TYPE OF PRECURSOR TO THE MTC AND ‘GETTING HEAVY’ MEANING THAT THEY WOULD GET DEEPER OR MORE MATURE.
Brother 3: that's all?
Patty: How many people are here from Bethlehem?
Stewart: Look at that
Patty: Woow! (laughter) 1 , 2, 3, 4 ,5
Stewart: The whole front row, look at that,
Patty: The whole front row
Stewart: that's beautiful . Praise God. Alright, that's enough uh from the circus. Okay now how about Reading. How's Reading doing? I noticed Reading sitting over here go , speak, (bend over, watch it) How's Reading doing go ahead.
Brother 4: Well Skip and me and our wives, we're gonna go start another fellowship in Conshohocken
Stewart : or Norristown
Brother 4 : or Norristown. (laughter) and um, that's all from Reading.
Stewart: There ya go, Hey and also Rich Sable and 4 others are suppose to start in Pottstown, when?
Brother 5: Monday (monday)
Stewart : They gotta place? Who's going? Rick?
Brother 5: yeah
Stewart: and Dave and Liz, and Louise? and Dave? Heeaavy! Going to Pottstown, that's number 10 You know that. That's gonna be Number 10. (in a mock growl-like voice) How many believe we're gonna have 15 fellowships this Fall! (cheers) How many believe it?( Cheers)Yeah Boy, taking a step in faith, Heavy! That's beautiful. (chatter) eh yes go ahead.
I WILL DO MY BEST NOT TO OVERTHINK THIS BUT TO TRY AND LOOK AND LISTEN TO THIS LAST PART AS A NORMAL PERSON WOULD. OKAY STEWART IS THE LEADER OF THIS GROUP. HE’S IN CHARGE. SOME EX-FFER’S LOOK AT STEWART’S ATTITUDE AND SPIRIT AT THIS MEETING AND POINT TO IT AS EVIDENCE OF HOW DIFFERENT HE WAS IN THE FF, HOW FAITHFUL A CHRISTIAN HE WAS. NOW, I AGREE STEWART ISN’T HARSH AT THIS MEETING, AT LEAST WITHIN THIS ONE-HOUR RECORDING OF A WEEKEND BIG MEETING. THIS SAME YEAR (AND THE RECORDING IS ON THE WEB PAGE) STEWART MISTREATS A SISTER, TELLING HER TO “BE QUIET” IN A NASTY VOICE. THIS SAME NASTY SOUNDING STEWART WAS THE SAME ONE IN THE GREAT MOOD HERE AT THIS FIRST BIG MEETING. SO HERE WE HAVE STEWART REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF FELLOWSHIPS TO START UP IN 1973. YES, HE SLAPS A PRAISE GOD HERE AND THERE AND TO ME IF SEEMS MORE HABIT THAN GENUINE PRAISE, AND HE TALKS ABOUT TAKING A STEP IN FAITH, YES THE WORDS MAKE IT SEEM LIKE GOD’S WILL, BUT I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT IS REALLY ANIMATING STEWART. HE IS INTO THE NUMBERS, STARTING HOUSES, GROWING THE GROUP OF WHICH HE IS THE LEADER. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HEAR MORE ENTHUSIASM ABOUT PEOPLE GETTING SAVED. ONE OF THE KEY THINGS I SEE IN SOME EX-FFER’S AND DEFINITELY HERE FROM ST IS MORE ENTHUSIASM FOR THE GROUP AND GROWING THE GROUP THAN IN JESUS HIMSELF AND PEOPLE COMING TO KNOW JESUS AND BEING SAVED.
Brother 6: Hey ah this is for Allentown people or for people who are moving to Allentown. We got a new dormitory.
Brother 7: Where at?
Brother 6: 3rd floor, well you know we got the dormitory above Riley's next to137. We got the one already and uh Mr. P, our landlord, uh came over and graciously offered another one. It's a giant apartment for $75 dollars a month, very cheap, they're really big, I think they got 2 married couples living in them already, but uh it's y'know who knows what's going on, so uh whoever wants to live in there, see me.
Stewart: therefore... Therefore when these uh half baked or half grown sheep uh get out and start fellowships now, the idea is that Allentown is gonna be Rockyhill Seminary again. And uh it's it's, medium people from from uh (laughter) Pardon me a moment! (laughter) Thank you. At this uh, medium uh heavy people from other fellowships come here and get really heavy and then they go out and start fellowships. How bout that huh? How bout that?(one person clapping)
THE “PARDON ME FOR A MOMENT” WAS STEWART ADDRESSING ANOTHER PERSON OR PERSONS WHO WERE EITHER NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO HIM OR DISTRACTING OTHERS FROM PAYING ATTENTION. CONSIDER THIS NOW. STEWART TRAILL RIGHT HERE IN SEPT OF 1973 LAYING OUT A CHURCH STRUCTURE AND THE BEGINNINGS OF HIS OWN BRAND OF AGE-GROUPING. WHAT IS TERRIBLY WRONG WITH THIS WHOLE PICTURE IS THAT STEWART ISN’T GOING BY SCRIPTURE AT ALL IN BUILDING THIS CHURCH. LOOK FIRST AT THE WORDS: “therefore... Therefore when these uh half baked or half grown sheep uh get out and start fellowships now, the idea is that Allentown is gonna be Rockyhill Seminary again. OKAY, HALF BAKED HALF GROWN SHEEP ARE GOING TO START FELLOWSHIPS? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 19 YEAR OLDS AND 20 YEAR OLDS GOING OUT CHURCH PLANTING. SO ALLENTOWN WILL BECOME SOME KIND OF SEMINARY? AND I WONDER WHO WILL TRAIN AND INSTRUCT THE YOUNG SEMINARY STUDENTS? HERE IS ST TALKING ABOUT A TYPE OF MTC, LAMB HOUSE, YOUNG SHEEP HOUSE, MIDDLE REMEDIAL, CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL, STEWART IN 1973 WAS PLANNING A TRAINING CTR AND HE WAS ALREADY PUTTING TOGETHER THE LEVELS OF MATURITY FOR THE MEMBERS. AND HIS WARPED VIEW OF AGE AND MATURITY IN CHRIST IS OBVIOUS IN THE COMING TEXT. THIS CHURCH DESIGN EMPOWERS HIM AND EMPOWERS OTHERS WHO ARE NOT QUALIFIED ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE TO BE PASTORS OR TEACHERS OR LEADERS.
ROB MACHELL EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT ROCKYHILL SEMINARY MEANT. HERE ARE HIS EMAILS:
Rockyhill Seminary meant witnessing in Allentown, especially on the streets in the center of the city (Hamilton Mall -- which was not an indoor mall but the main commercial drag where car traffic was curtailed for a few blocks). 128 and 137 S. Church St. were a couple of blocks south of Hamilton Mall and, after a year or so of exposure there to our constant witnessing, it was becoming difficult to find people to witness to there who were not gun shy at seeing us coming.
"A year ago" was a reference to August of '72, when Stewart dropped off Bob Hillenbrand (saved less than 3 months) in Cleveland to start the first outpost of expansion. He kept saying, "Where's Bob? Has anyone seen Bob?" that first night back from his vacuum cleaner sales trip to Ohio that Bob had accompanied him on only to be left in Cleveland at the spur of the moment. Finally that night he unveiled the big surprise about Bob staying in Cleveland and what that momentously signified. The actual topic of the night had been "What's getting to be the problem around here?" Stewart asserted that there was "too much strength" gathered in one place -- that the training afforded by 'Rocky Hill Seminary' (which was **up** Church Street from the house) had served to raise up many who were now at risk of finding their strength underutilized. Bob H. served as an example of daring and commitment, and within a few weeks brethren had established new fellowships in Emmaus, Bethlehem, Easton and Reading. Harrisburg came soon thereafter and other cities followed in rapid succession.
Sister : Yeeaahh.
Stewart: And that way we multiply. Rockyhill Seminary, that's the way it used to be. A year ago, Rockyhill Seminary, when the first bunch was getting heavy. Now they should go out and start fellowships and then start another generation, remember every two years. But then 2 years from now, Cleveland should be doing that and Reading and uh, all of them. Harrisburg, all of them should be doing that, having their own um, you know it's a heavy area there. And there's Heavy people there. Thurs... 2 years from now there's what, people saved there 3, 4, 5 years there. Yeah, that's a long time. Then they themselves are training people, whole new generation again. Multiplying all over. That's where Skip's figures came from.
I NEED TO ASK SOMEONE WHO WAS THERE WHAT EXACTLY WAS ROCKYHILL SEMINARY. WAS IT SOMETHING ST LEAD BACK IN 1972 OR WAS IT A LOCAL EXAMPLE OF WHAT STEWART WANTED FOR HIS GROUP? STILL THE REST OF THE PARAGRAPH IS SO REVEALING AND ALMOST UNBELIEVEABLE, HOW BLATANTLY UNSCRIPTURAL AND SO STEWART. LOOK AT THE WORDS AGAIN :
And that way we multiply. Rockyhill Seminary, that's the way it used to be. A year ago, Rockyhill Seminary, when the first bunch was getting heavy. Now they should go out and start fellowships and then start another generation, remember every two years. But then 2 years from now, Cleveland should be doing that and Reading and uh, all of them. Harrisburg, all of them should be doing that,
AND THAT WAY WE MULTIPLY,NOT THE GOSPEL BEING PREACHED, PEOPLE COMING TO JESUS AND BEING FORGIVEN FOR THEIR SINS, NOT GLORIFYING GOD AND BEING FAITHFUL….IT’S A PLAN TO MULTIPLY, TO GET BIGGER, THIS IS THE EMPHASIS. NATURALLY ANY SECULAR LEADER WOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT EXPANSION, BUT IS THERE ANY EXAMPLE IN THE BIBLE OF JESUS TALKING LIKE THIS OR THE APOSTLES TALKING LIKE THIS OR ANY GODLY LEADER TALKING LIKE THIS? SO ACCORDING TO STEWART THE FIRST BUNCH WHO, ACCORDING TO HIM HAVE BEEN SAVED FOR ONE YEAR SHOULD GO OUT AND START FELLOWSHIPS. AND THE FIRST BUNCH, ACCORDING TO STEWART ARE”HEAVY” ENOUGH OR MATURE ENOUGH TO DO THIS. AND ACCORDING TO STEWART EVERY 2 YEARS, THE HALF-BAKED HALF GROWN SHEEP ARE HEAVY ENOUGH TO START A NEW GENERATION OF WHAT? WHAT IS STEWART’S PLAN TO MULTIPLY TO EXPAND….HE IS LOOKING AT EVERY 2 YEARS A NEW GENERATION OF MEMBERS OF HIS GROUP, A NEW GENERATION OF FOLLOWERS. DOES THIS SOUND LIKE GOD GIVING THE GROWTH OR SOME SALES CEO PUSHING A GROWTH SCHEDULE
LET’S LOOK AT THE SECOND PART:
having their own um, you know it's a heavy area there. And there's Heavy people there. Thurs... 2 years from now there's what, people saved there 3, 4, 5 years there. Yeah, that's a long time. Then they themselves are training people, whole new generation again. Multiplying all over. That's where Skip's figures came from.
LOOK AGAIN AT STEWART’S SENSE OF HIS FOLLOWERS AGE AND MATURITY. I HEARD THAT THE EARLY CHURCH CONSIDERED A RECENT CONVERT AS SOMEONE WHO IS UNDER 7 YEARS IN THE FAITH. THE EARLY CHURCH WOULD TEACH AND INSTRUCT BELIEVERS FOR YEARS AND NONE OF THESE BELIEVERS WERE CONSIDERED FOR LEADERSHIP POSITIONS. NOT ONLY DOES STEWART HAVE THESE YOUNG MEMBERS STARTING HOUSES BUT THEN TRAINING THE RECENTLY SAVED TO GO OUT AND DO THE SAME THING. AND WHAT IS IT ALL FOR? TO GROW, TO EXPAND, TO GET BIGGER. THIS IS THE UNCENSORED HEART OF STEWART TRAILL. THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS AND IN LIGHT OF HIS BACKGROUND, HIS UPBRINGING, HIS MINISTER-DAD, IT MAKES SENSE THAT STEWART WOULD WANT TO LEAD A BIG OPERATION, NOT FOR THE GLORY OF GOD, BUT FOR HIS OWN PURPOSES AND DESIRES. AND ACCORDING TO ST, SKIP O’NEILL WAS RUNNING THE NUMBERS AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO STRUCTURE THIS GROWTH. THIS SOUNDS LIKE A BUSINESS, DOESN’T IT. SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS A PLAN AND A SCHEDULE FOR GROWTH. NEVER MIND GOD GIVING THE GROWTH, STEWART AND SKIP HAVE A 2-YEAR CYCLICAL PLAN FOR GROWTH. AND SO FAR, ST IS HAPPY AT THE GROWTH, HE REVELS IN IT.
I WILL ATTEMPT TO COMMENT ON THE “BIBLE STUDY.” THIS WILL BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE ONE NEEDS TO ACTUALLY READ THE WHOLE TEXT AND THEN MAKE A SUMMATION BEFORE GOING THROUGH THIS LONG, DRAWN OUT, AND UNNECESSARY PROCESS OF FOLLOWING STEWART’S METHOD OF GROUPING CONCEPTS AND BUILDING SUPPORT FOR HIS VARIOUS HYPOTHESES. THERE IS MIXED IN WITH THE STUDY SOME TELLING COMMENTS MADE BY STEWART TO SOME AT THE MEETING. THOSE FAMILIAR WITH THIS TREATMENT MIGHT EASILY PASS OVER AND DISMISS THE BEHAVIOR. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT HOW IN 1973 AND MOST LIKELY IN 1972 STEWART TRAILL WAS THE STEWART TRAILL OF THE FF, OF COBU, AND HE REALLY WENT FROM HAPPY LEADER IN CHARGE TO UNHAPPY LEADER IN CHARGE, WITH ONLY THE CHANGE IN HOW HARD HE WORKED TO MAINTAIN CONTROL. I THINK HIS PATTERN OF SIN AGAINST SISTERS, AND UNFAITHFULNESS TO HIS FIRST WIFE AND SECOND STARTED BEFORE THE FOREVER FAMILY EXISTED AND THEN THROUGH THE GROUP’S HISTORY HE SINNED AND WAS NEVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE. THE IDEA STEWART TRIES TO SUPPORT IN THIS BIBLE STUDY IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS. THERE ARE STAGES OF EITHER BECOMING A CHRISTIAN, BECOMING A TRUE CHRISTIAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT TO ALL WHO RECEIVED HIM WHO BELIEVED IN HIS NAME HE GAVE POWER TO BECOME CHILDREN OF GOD. THERE IS ONLY BELIEVING IN GOD AND THERE IS ONLY RECEIVING HIM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF BELIEVING AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF RECEIVING.STEWART’S POINT WAS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO BOTH OR YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AT TWO DIFFERENT TIMES IN THE STUDY HIS THESIS BREAKS DOWN OR SOMEONE PUTS UP A SCRIPTURE THAT BREAKS UP THE WHOLE ARGUMENT. MY POINT IN SAYING THIS IS, I THINK IT IS TIME FOR CURRENT MEMBERS OF COBU AND SOME EX-MEMBERS TO LOOK AT THINGS WITHOUT THE FILM OR FANTASY OVER THEIR EYES. WE WERE ALL TRAINED NOT TO QUESTION STEWART OR “MAKE HIM THE ISSUE” AND THIS IS A PERFECT COVER FOR STEWART DESIGNED BY STEWART SO THAT HE NEVER HAS TO FACE SCRUTINY. TIME TO HIT THIS HEAD ON AND DEAL WITH THE REAL TRUTH.
Stewart: Okay now John 1:12 you should have these pages numbered, but they're not. Who received him who believed in his name. The very very heavy portion, who received him who believed in his name. We went through a bunch of verses that showed pretty clearly, just the few that we did, that it's necessary to receive and believe and both of them are in the salvation verses. And If you have any doubts, by the way, make notes on these papers. And ask questions about uh How is this receiving or How is this believing or things like that. Now area 2 here, Cases Conserving, Concerning Receiving First and then Believing. Receiving first and then believing, that's the order in which it usually occurs, but not necessarily, not necessarily, let me tell you the ou, Who can think of the usual case where people are more into believing than they're into receiving? Where they grow more in terms of believing than in terms of receiving?
Sister: audio low
Stewart: no the church trip, it's the other way around. The church trip sure, when you're, you grow up in church, "Sure I believe in Jesus," and in a way you do. heh uh, in a uh, in a sense. Cases Concerning Receiving First and then Believing, John 6:40, John 6:40 says, it's a very famous verse, it says it says, says, " And this is the will of my father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." Who sees the Son and believes in him.
THROUGHOUT THIS RECORDING STEWART HAS THIS PATTERN OF INTRODUCING A VERSE AND THEN PADDING OR STALLING WHILE HIS MEMORY RETREIVES THE VERSE. SOME TIMES HE GETS IT WRONG THEN MAKES EXCUSES FOR NOT REMEMBERING. JUST ANOTHER LITTLE SIGN OF JUST PLAIN ST.
Now how many see receiving first there? Isn't it pretty obvious? You think it means the eyes, it doesn't mean seeing him with your eyes, it means uh again understanding, coming to, thereby seeing, dealing with, being interested in, you can't see something unless you open your eyes, right? Ya hav You have to be willing to see something before you'll see it, right? Eh (sigh). Right Nick? Right Audrey?
SEEMS IRRITATED THAT PEOPLE AREN’T GETTING IT
You got to be willing to see something, just shift your eyes, you don't have to see it. Everyone who sees the Son, well that’s a figure of receiving. Seeing him is a figure of receiving Him. By the way, knowing Jesus is at the top of the list there. At the top of the charts, knowing Jesus. Knowing sums up receiving and believing. Knowing him, abiding in Him, that's summing it up. Alright um, John 6:40 12:36 that's a famous verse. John 12:36 says, "while you have the light, believe in the light, that you may becoming sons of light. While you have the light is receiving first. How can you receive it, obviously you've receive it if you have it While you have the light, believe in the light. While the light is among you, -----itself, of course. They were dealing with him but they weren't believing in him. Though he had done so many signs before them yet they did not believe in him. so there it is. They were, at least He talked in terms of their receiving first, "while you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light....Right?....He put their receiving, believing, becoming sons of light, that's the uh order that He put it in.
NOW IF YOU CAN REMEMBER THAT HE SAID JESUS PUT THE RECEIVING AND BELIEVING AND BECOMING IN THIS ORDER AND THAT RECEIVING IS THE FIRST AND LESS VALUABLE STEP AND THAT BELIEVING IS THE IMPORTANT STEP IN THE PROCESS
Stewart: But in fact, they were doing neither there, that in fact cases where they neither believed nor received, is that one of them? No (No I don't have that down there). But That would be one right there. 17:8, that's the one we did before, uh they had received Him nuh, "For I have given them the word which thou gavest me, and they have received them, and know in truth that I came from Thee and they have believe that Thou didst send me." It's pretty obvious he's putting received first there, isn't it? That they have received him? Isn't it? I have given them the word which Thou gavest me. That they have received them. Now, by the way, that's in the circle. Are you aware? That's a very very heavy receiving. That's receiving his words. Are you aware of that now? Hey! That's heavy, this is a very heavy receiving Jesus.
THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS TO GET STEWY. APPARENTLY, AT THE FIRST BIG MEETING, HE HAD SOME KIND OF CHART OR DIAGRAM AND THERE WAS EITHER CONCENTRIC CIRCLES OR LEVELS OF RECEIVING AND LEVELS OF BELIEVING AND SO WHILE HE TALKS ABOUT RECEIVING NOT BEING ENOUGH HE THEN TALKS ABOUT “‘HEAVY’ RECEIVING JESUS” WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM JUST RECEVING HIM AND SO HE EXPLAINS THE DIFFERENCE HERE
This is in the circle. When you are receiving Jesus' words, you're in the circle. Yes or No? Don't you understand that? How many understand it? How many don't understand it? Receiving Jesus is one thing, but receiving His testimony, we went through this before, No one receives his testimony is what John 3:32 says, dya remember? No one receives His testimony. No human, on his own, can receive Jesus'testimony, you have to be in that circle. It's only through the Holy Spirit that anyone receives His testimony. The next verse is, he who receives His testimony, so there is a class that does receive his testimony, but it's those who are being saved. Those who are saved. uh those uh, I have given them, well obviously they were saved, he was talking to his disciples. I have given them the words which Thou gavest me. And they have received them. For sure, that shouldn't come as a surprise to you, his disciples received his words, they were in the circle and above it. Dya understand that? That's what I like about coming here to Cleveland, everybody just sits there real quiet. IT's not like Allentown. Boy if we were back in Allentown, everybody would be asking questions and making comments showing this and showing that. Sure wish I was back in Allentown. (laughter) Well, I'll be there next week, Lord willing.
IT IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND THE SILENCE OF THOSE LISTENING TO THIS MUD. WHAT SEEMS TO PASS FOR DEEP UNDERSTANDING IS REALLY UNCLEAR STEWART PARSING. THEN HE COMPARES THE PRESENT GROUP’S SILENCE AND MISUNDERSTANDING TO THE BEHAVIOR HE WANTS TO SEE, THE KIND OF ENTHUSIASM SHOWN BY THE MEMBERS OF ALLENTOWN. WHAT IS CURIOUS IS THAT THIS IS A BIG MEETING AND ALLENTOWN IS THERE AND THEY ARE JUST AS SILENT AS THE REST BUT STEWART DOES THIS NUMBER, NOT CONSIDERING POSSIBLY THAT HE HIMSELF IS NOT BEING CLEAR, BUT THAT THE LISTENERS ARE EITHER NOT SMART ENOUGH OR DON’T CARE ENOUGH TO GET WHAT HE IS SAYING. THE CLASS OR COMPARING HE DID IN 1973 IS A FIRST LOOK THE KIND OF TREATMENT WE GOT LATER. THINK AGAIN OF OTHER CHRISTIAN PASTORS. WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED CHRIST-LIKE OR LOVING TO CHIDE YOUR LISTENERS WHEN THEY DON’T GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
STEWART: Um. Let's pull up the next area here. Obviously there is a what 50 in there, in that category, Cases Concerning Receiving First and then Believing, I just touched 3 of them. There's 50 in there. just in that. Number 3, Cases of Just Believing and Coming to Nothing, John 2:23, which we went through before, dyou remember?" Now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover feast, many believed in his name when they saw his signs which he did." It came to nothing though. They just believed and it came to nothing, they didn't receive.( d'You wanna turn it up a little, Primo? Keep checking it till you get as much volume as you can without it to the whinning.) Next is uh, 6:64, 6 : 64 "For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe and who it was that should betray him.
ARE YOU STARTING TO SEE HOW CONFUSING THIS IS BECOMING? THERE ARE VERSES OF RECEVING FIRST THEN BELIEVING AND, “BELIEVING”, FROM WHAT HE SAID EARLIER, IS THE IMPORTANT PART. BUT NOW HE PULLS VERSES THAT TALK ABOUT BELIEVING BUT THEN IT DOES NOT RESULT IN SALVATION. SO I AM WONDERING DID SOME SKIP OVER THE RECEIVING PART AND JUST BELIEVED AND THAT’S WHY SALVATION WASN’T TRIGGERED? AND HOW DOES ONE JUST BELIEVE AND NOT RECEIVE WHEN ST SAID THAT RECEIVING WAS THE SAME AS “SEEING” “UNDERSTANDING” “DEALING WITH”….HOW DO YOU DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER OR ONE AND NOT THE OTHER? JUST ASKING, I COULD BE WRONG MYSELF
6:64 that's it, isn't it? Somebody ought to be checking me. At this point my brain is not that good.
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH HE DID NOT REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND NEEDS OTHERS TO CHECK HIS MEMORY
Brother: there are some of you who do not believe
Brother: There are some of you that do not believe.
Stewart: There are some of you that do not believe, for Jesus knew from the first who those were who did not believe in him and who it was who should betray him, right? Yeah. Right, in other words, and that's a case there, there are some of you who do not believe. 6:64 Cases of Just Believing and Coming to Nothing. There are some of you that do not believe. Read it again
Brother: Jesus knew (louder) from the first who those were who would not believe and who it was who would betray him. The first part is "But there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus knew from the first...
Stewart: well then that shouldn't be in there, I don't know what I'm doing there. Cases of Just Believing and Coming to Nothing. Well I'm missing something. am I , am I uh?
Brother: must be an excellent cases of receiving but not believing (yeah) go with the next one
Stewart : well , yeah but the 2:23 was right. They didn't get the 3 things mixed up there. Can I ask a question? (sigh) May I ask a question? Where is 6:64 in 3, Cases of Just Believing and Coming to Nothing? It isn't in the thing before it? 14:64.... 6 is 14.. or is 4 64 chapter 4 :64, isn't it? (noo) (chapters 6..low audio) Yeah, yeah, chapter 6 14 64 yeah it is. yeah.
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Stewart: ..uh? But there are some of you that do not believe. uh I don't know what that's doing in there. so just scratch that out. that shouldn't be in there.
Brother: part of the next one
Stewart: yeah, well,just flip it down, yeah, point it down to to the other one, they were receiving him alright, they were dealing with him, but they weren't believing in Him. They were his very own disciples, unless it's in there because they were believing, like a head trip, and not uh, not really believing. They weren't, they had been going around with him. But uh, I'm not even thinking of the context right now. (low audio) point this down, anybody got a pen, sorry this is eh reference...sorry that reference is wrong, let's go to 7:41 that's a bummer. That's what you get....I've been rushing on this somethin terrible, really really wrong. If you have any questions about this, ask.
YES I HAVE A QUESTION… WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THING IS, DOESN’T THIS VERSE DISMANTLE THE WHOLE BELIEVING IS THE MAIN IMPORTANT PART AND NOW IT’S NOT AND WHAT LEVEL OF BELIEVING IS THE BAD BELIEVING OR INEFFETUAL BELIEVING AND WHICH LEVEL IS THE BELIEVING THAT ALONG WITH THE “HEAVY” RECEIVING IS THE GOOD RECEIVING AND WILL YOU BE MAILING OUT SECRET DECODER RINGS? HOW MANY BOXTOPS DO WE HAVE TO SEND IN?
WATCH AND LISTEN TO STEWART STALL AS HIS MARVELOUS MEMORY CATCHES UP WITH HIM
Stewart: 7:41 now 7:41 is a very famous verse. I'm guner, I'm gonna tell it to you. It's a very famous verse and I'm gonna tell it to you, John 7:41 Now John 7:41 is in the gospel and um it um has to do with uh the gospel message as such but uh of course it as itself is furthermore and uh just not and also is Is um, "there was again a division among the Jews, because of these words", no,
Brother: "Others said
Stewart: others said, that's what I said (laughing) all right, I quit..all right, others said this is the Christ, some said is the Christ to come from Galilee? Others said this is the Christ. But some said, is the Christ to come from Galilee? Yeah, others said this is the Christ, they were believing all right, that's a high case of believing, saying that he is the Christ, very high grade, this is the Christ..wow...however it came to nothing.
OKAY WE HAVE A HIGH GRADE OF BELIEVING…THIS IS HIGH OCTANE BELIEVING AND YET IT CAME TO NOTHING, ACCORDING TO STEW. AGAIN, I HAVE MY HAND UP IN THE BACK… IF IT WAS A HIGH-TEST –NITRO-TYPE BELIEVING…WHY DID IT COME TO NOTHING? AND A GENERAL QUESTION…WHY ARE WE CHRISTIANS STUDYING THIS? I HAVE A GUESS….HERE WE HAVE THE BEGINNINGS OF TRAILLEGALISM. IF ST CAN ESTABLISH DIVISIONS AND LEVELS OF RECEIVING AND BELIEVING THEN HE CAN ESTABLISH AND MEASURE FAITHFULNESS, COMMITMENT, AND ESTABLISH A PERPETUAL DOUBT OF SALVATION FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE FF EVEN AFTER THEY GET SAVED SO THAT THEY WILL ALWAYS BE STRIVING TO MEET SOME DEFINED “LEVEL” OR “GRADE.” AND SINCE ST SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE LEVELS AND GRADES, THEN HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN TELL US IF WE HAVE ATTAINED IT.
Stewart: There was a division over them, and as far as we know it came to nothing, in the gospel record, there it came to nothing. ih The picture there is, one of uh a mob, y'know a bunch of people, when you have a bunch of people and yer talkin about Jesus, there's bound to be a whole bunch who'll stick up for Jesus. y'know and they're given tor ya, "I was being nice" or it's a religious background or y'know, “I wouldn't knock anybody for his religion. He said he's the Christ and who knows”, you know, in other words, it didn't matter to them so they could say anything, and they could care less, that kind of a just saying uh, yknow, debating about it, y'know the crowd getting together and having their gossip and so forth. That's the image in the context of nothing came of it and for what you see today. That's just believing but coming to nothing. And actually it's also a reference to the other one. It's not in there, Cases of Receiving and not Believing. Some of them received him but they did not believed him. They said, is the Christ to come from Galilee? they They were dealing with him, but they weren't believing. Now maybe that's a mild form of receiving. That certainly would be on the lower end of receiving.
ANYONE IN THE SANE WORLD FOLLOWING THIS?
There's different degrees of receiving when you get into receiving different there's heavy medium, heavy, and light. And believing also medium, heavy and light. John suh that's was 7:41.
OKAY, NOW EVERYTHING IS CLEAR. AND AGAIN I ASK, WHY ARE WE CHRISTIANS STUDYING THIS?
Number 4, Cases of Receiving and not Believing. Receiving and not believing. Now we see that don't we? The people who will deal with Jesus, but they won't really put their trust in Him. Wha, yeah, that's what I was doing; receiving Jesus but not believing in Him. Well here's some scriptures for it, 5:7 Now John chapter 5 verse 7, is a very heavy, the sick man answered him
Stewart: uh? Phillip answered him in chapter 5?
Brother: No, the sick man
Stewart: The sick man, that's what I said, the sick man,...( where is she coming from?) Boy I thought I was whack out but wow....(laughter) Hey listen, she's been up tape, taping, yeah, taping, typing, taping what not, and she's not like(?)....5:7 Sick man answered him ,"Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is troubled. While I am going, another steps down before me. How is that a case of receiving but not believing? How is that a case of receiving but not believing? Does anybody know? Ah, yes, Clairervin, Hermeneutics is your favorite area is it not, Edwin? Hermeneutics and Philology, and Eschatology of uh tudepickafa? (laughter) shudepigafa... Herman, what?
JUST FROM LISTENING TO THIS DIRECTLY WITHOUT BEING THERE I DETECT THE STEWART TRAILL I KNEW FROM 1976-84. STEWART MADE FUN OF THOSE WHO WERE FORMALLY EDUCATED, THOSE WHO SEEMED LIKE LEGITIMATE INTELLECTUALS, THOSE PERHAPS WHO KNEW MORE THAN HE DID AND MIGHT QUESTION HIS CREDIBIITY AS A BIBLE TEACHER? BUT WHAT WE CAN SAY IS, THIS IS STEWART, BUT HOW IS IT THE LOVE OF GOD CONTROLLING HIM? EVEN THEN HE WAS MOCKING THE INTELLIGENT ONES.
Herman: ah Jesus asked him if he wanted to be healed, and the guy didn't really believe that Jesus could do it. So he wasn't really ah he didn't really understand, he didn't really believe Jesus could heal him
Stewart: There's no indication that he believed that Jesus could heal him, right. But what indication is there that he received him?
Herman: The fact that he talked to him
Stewart: Yeah, more than that too, though
Different Brother: Admitting the fact that he couldn't make it himself, that he had tried
Stewart: That wouldn't be receiving Jesus, that would be believing in Him, if he were actually doing that. No, he wasn't really doing that
Brother: The fact that he wanted to be healed
Stewart: He showed that he wanted to be healed and he trusted himself, he opened up about it. He talked about his real concern in that area. He didn't just say, "Yeah, I wanna get healed, what are ya crazy?" He actually pointed to his concern and he dealt with, he fairly dealt with Jesus on this point. He actually dealt with it. Where he was really coming from, just straight, and he immediately got healed, didn't he? Now he received, but he didn't believe. He didn't know anything else. Sounds like, John 9:37, "and answered him, who is he that I may believe in Him. 9:36 that's another one we're coming to, later. The man received Jesus grea very strongly, but he didn't believe in Him but he was willing to believe in Him. And then he asked Jesus, "Who is he that I can believe in him. He was willing to believe in Him. Then Jesus told him and he did believe in him. It's a disstablishdes.....9 uh 6:28 is another very heavy verse.
STALLING FOR MEMORY
It's a heavy verse that shows receiving and not believing. I'll tell ya how it does it. 6:28 is a famous verse, it's the sixth chapter of John and uh it's about eh, they said to him um, "What must we do, to be doing the work of God?" Well, they didn't know...really. But they asked, straight...right? And in straight dealing with Jesus and asking and inquiring, that is one of the, isn't inquiring one of the words? No, inquiring is not, seeking, thinking, being interested, understanding, learning, finding out,coming. So, that's that's what the man did there. He sought the facts. He asked, the crowd asked Him. Right?
Brother: I wanted to ask you if with um said that believing but not receiving
Stewart: the other way around, receiving but not believing, that's receiving and not believing. What must we do, to be doing the work of God? That's receiving. How many understand that that is receiving? How many really see it? How many are in doubt over it? How many are in doubt over it, as to whether that's receiving or believing? The man asked a question, he didn't state, he didn't say. He was mighty mighty far from John 11:27, "Yes Lord, I believe, that you are the Christ, the Son of God, He who is coming into the world." Good grief, that's a heavy uh, that's a very heavy statement. He was very far from there, he's saying, well, and who is he, what what is the work of God? What must we do, to be doing the work of God? Well, that's showing ignorance in the first place, but they were open about it. And that comes under receiving. Seeking. Weren't they seeking when they asked "what must we do"? Isn't that seeking? Well, seeking and trusting yourself to Jesus and saying, "Well, maybe I'll get my answers from Jesus. That attitude is receiving. Okay, next, 9:41, now, 9:41, I know it anyway, tough luck, it's a very famous verse, it's in the gospel, it's in the ninth chapter, has to do with judgment over, also find, Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt, but now that you say 'We see' your guilt remains." They were receiving Jesus, in fact, They even uh knew so much that they could mock him and uh cut and carry on and so forth and they did see. Now that you say 'We see'...well in a sense they were claiming to have received Jesus in the sense of dealing with him, the very light type of receiving. They wouldn't go anywhere deeper, honest receiving, they, in a very surface way, received and dealt with him but not really fairly and it came to nothing. They received him in a way. Some of the Pharisees standing by said to him, "are we also blind?" sort of like a half a cut and half a question. And uh(unclear)....receiving in there but there was no believing. Now that we say, now that you say, "we see" your guilt remains. So they couldn't have received and believed. If they were receiving just that tiny bit and believing just an equally tiny bit, Jesus would have dealt with them all together differently. Ya understand that? That's what you do when you're witnessing. When someone is receiving a little and believing a little, you come on one way, when they're receiving a little and not believing at all or vice versa or different mixtures. This should help you understand what you're doing anyway.
OKAY I UNDERSTAND. IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT AT WHAT LEVEL THE UNSAVED ARE RECEIVING AND BELIEVING WE CAN FINE TUNE OUR WITNESSING TO UMM…SOMETHING. THIS DOES REMIND ME OF MY RECENT TRAINING AS A SALESMAN. YOU PROBE AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PERSON’S OBJECTIONS ARE AND ADDRESS THEM AND THEN PERSUADE THEM TO BUY. I THINK IN THE CASE OF JOHN 6 STEWART CONFUSED ME HERE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HE SAID WHO ASKED “WHAT MUST WE DO TO BE DOING THE WORKS OF GOD?” WERE RECEIVING JESUS, SEEKING, OPEN ABOUT THEIR IGNORANCE…BUT THIS SAME CROWD JESUS SAID, YOU SEEK ME, NOT BECAUSE YOU SAW SIGNS (RECEIVING) BUT BECAUSE YOU ATE YOUR FILL OF THE LOAVES. WELL, WERE THEY JUST AT A LOW-GRADE OF BELIEVING? THIS IS THE GROUP THAT THEN ARGUED WITH JESUS AND THEN NO LONGER WENT ABOUT WITH HIM….AND THE DISCIPLES WHO REMAINED WITH HIM….AT WHAT LEVEL OF RECEIVING AND BELIEVING WERE THEY ?
Uh 9:41 was there.
Number 5, putting them together in slightly different words,yeah, putting together in slightly different words. 5:24 6:51, 5:24 "He who hears my word" is like receiving, but then you've got to go through like uh John 3:33 "He who receives his testimony, sets his seal to this, that God is true", you have to jumble it around a little bit but you can show, y'know, by uh by a common denominator that seeing is receiving and hearing is receiving, hearing his words, is receiving. So it's saying the same thing but it's slightly different words, 6:51 ta-uh" Truly, Truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death, huh?
Brother: ((low audio))no, (((I am the living bread which came down from Heaven)))
Stewart: That's 8:51 okay that's 2 for you, 1 for me." I am the living bread which came down from heaven, whoever eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." That's saying the same thing again. . I'm the living bread which came down from heaven, anyone who eats of this bread, he will live forever. You know what, I really am spacing out.
tired, I really am. Is anyone else? (yes, no) I really am, I really, oh my goodness, Stop, when I came across that 6:64 boy, that really broke me up there, that's actually a wrong reference. Anyway, 6:51. Putting it together in different words. Receiving and believing. "I am the living bread which came down from heaven, if anyone eats of this bread,” well that's receiving right there. If you're eating of the bread, when he said it came down from heaven, you're receiving him. That's receiving in him. And the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh. Where does believing come in there, somebody help me out
Brother: he will live forever
Brother: he will live forever
Stewart: Oh yeah, he will lives forever works back, oh yeah you work backwards, usually, he who believes, says in 6:47, He who believes has eternal life, it's believing that gives you eternal life. So somehow, eating his bread is believing in him also. What? right. Pull it out trend, um 17:03 try and really whip it together. Hey that's alright though if we get through that, tomorrow night we'll do the other half.
ANOTHER DOUBLE REVERSE I THINK…LET’S TRY THAT AGAIN:
Receiving and believing. "I am the living bread which came down from heaven, if anyone eats of this bread,” well that's receiving right there. If you're eating of the bread, when he said it came down from heaven, you're receiving him. That's receiving in him. And the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh. Where does believing come in there, somebody help me out
RIGHT HERE STEWART IS MAKING THE CASE FOR EATING THE LIVING BREAD IS RECEIVING HIM. OKAY HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS.
Brother: he will live forever
Brother: he will live forever
Stewart: Oh yeah, he will lives forever works back, oh yeah you work backwards, usually, he who believes, says in 6:47, He who believes has eternal life, it's believing that gives you eternal life. So somehow, eating his bread is believing in him also.
OKAY NOW EATING THE LIVING BREAD IS ALSO BELIEVING TOO. IT’S BOTH. NOW, ONLY IN THIS CREATED SYSTEM ARE WE SUPPOSE TO PARSE THE ACTIONS SO PRECISELY THAT EVENTUALLY ONE VERSE CAN RUIN THE WHOLE CONSTRUCT. I REMEMBER DURING THE JULY 4TH 1980 MARATHON BIBLE STUDIES: HEAVEN DWELLERS AND EARTH DWELLERS, HEAVEN, EARTH AND SEA, REV 12 AND 13, THE DEVIL AND SATAN STUDY….STEWART IN THE LAST TITLE MENTIONED, WAS MAKING THE CASE THAT THE DEVIL WAS ALWAYS OPEN WARFARE AND SATAN WAS ALWAYS SUBTLE AND DECEITFUL AND MOST OF THE VERSES SEEM TO CONFIRM THIS. I STOOD UP DURING THE STUDY AND SAID THAT THE VERSE IN LUKE SEEMED TO NOT FIT THE PATTERN:
17 The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!" 18 And he said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I have given you authority to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy; and nothing shall hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you; but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."I MADE THE POINT THAT SATAN FELL LIKE LIGHTNING AFTER HE MADE OPEN WAR IN HEAVEN AGAINST MICHAEL AND HIS ANGELS. WELL, SATAN WAS ENGAGED IN OPEN WAR AND WAS DEFEATED. THE STEWART SYSTEM FELL APART ALTHOUGH NOTHING AT THE TIME WAS ADMITTED. SO BACK TO THIS RECEIVING AND BELIEVING. DOESN’T STEWART’S WHOLE SYSTEM OF THOUGHT COLLAPSE ON THE FACT THAT IF WE PARTAKE OF THE LIVING BREAD WE ARE BOTH RECEIVING AND BELIEVING IN JESUS AND THEREFORE RECEIVING THE FATHER AND BELIEVING THE FATHER AND THEREFORE OBTAINING FROM GOD ETERNAL LIFE? TO GO THROUGH THE GOSPEL OF JOHN THIS WAY AND MAKE THE CASE FOR LIGHT RECEIVING AND HEAVY RECEIVING, HIGH GRADE BELIEVING, MEDIUM HEAVY, LIGHT-NO FOAM, DOUBLE-HALF-DECAF WITH A TWIST….WELL THAT’S STEWART…..THAT’S UNIQUELY STEWART, BUT IT DOESN’T REALLY HOLD UP TO OTHER SCRIPTURE AND CONCEPTUAL IT DOESN’T SEEM NECESSARY TO STUDY.
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Stewart: doubting by far, or at least more receiving, whadda ya think? Think Nicodemus received Jesus more or less? What do you think? You don't know. Does anybody know, is anybody awake? Say yes uh Pamela.
Pamela : More
Stewart: Heavy! That's the right answer, Pamela.
Stewart: Good. Okay, Maybe we should have a question and answer period on this now. Tol, This part's almost over. (low audio) the verse of
Number 11, Verses Showing Some Openness that went Downhill. There's that too, isn't there? Bill wanted to uh have some uh water dripping out of the hole heh of the circle here. He wanted some falling off here, y'know meaning some that don't go up, but go down. Those that don't get into receiving him, that don't do 3:3, dya follow? When you get into this circle, yer under conviction. You're either at the top or the bottom. Well what about those who did receive. Who did believe to some degree and wound up rejecting, we've seen them a lot haven't we? (yeah) We've seen many cases of that. That's very very very sad. Here are some cases of this happening in the gospel.
STEWART WAS USING THE CHART OR DIAGRAM AGAIN
Number 10 we have um the rejection, 6:36 my my "But I said to you that you have seen me, and yet do not believe." Now, two verses earlier, had not they been saying to him, Lord, give us this bread always? Right?(yeah) And yet, it wasn't right, and uh they didn't believe in Him, even though they saw him. They were receiving him. Lord, give us this bread always, but it was like a blind receiving, it wasn't uh believing at all. John 6:70 "Now this he said about Judas Iscariot, Did I not choose you the 12 and one of you is a devil? he spoke of Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, for he , one of the 12, was to betray him" , right? 71. Isn't that a case of openness, isn't pe Judas come in. Didn't he wind up rejecting Jesus? It's a gross case. Another one that.... Every branch of mine that bears no fruit, Every branch of mine that bears fruit he prunes that it may bear more fruit. Every branch of mine that bears no fruit, he prunes, Every branch of m.. (laugh) ine, I'm tired too, you know... Every branch of mine that bears no fruit he takes away and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes that it may bear more fruit. Now the first part, Every branch of mine that bears no fruit, What Happens?
Brothers and sisters: He takes away
Stewart: So ,were they branches?
Brothers and sisters: Yesss,,Nooo
Stewart: Every branch of mine. They were branches of His.
Stewart: They bore no fruit. Well, that's a human, that's a person, getting saved but bearing no fruit and falling away. As Jesus said, when temptation, trouble, persecution arise, they fall away. Cuz they have no root in themselves. Backsliding, completely. That's a case of someone, a general case of openness that led to rejection. Openness that led to getting saved, but then, rejecting Jesus. How much worse punishment do you suppose will be deserved by the man who spurns the Son of God, that verse again, would apply
NOW HERE I MUST ADMIT, ASIDE FROM THE RECEIVING AND BELIEVING STUDY, THIS PART IS CLEAR. STEWART IS DIRECTLY READING SCRIPTURE AND SUPPORTS WITH SCRIPTURE A DOCTRINE THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE WITH. I WOULD ONLY SAY HERE THAT IT SEEMS INCORRECT TO MIX THE SOWER PARABLE “THE CARES OF THIS LIFE GROW UP AND CHOKE THE WORD,” AND THE HEBREWS REFERENCE OF SPURNING THE SON OF GOD. I DON’T THINK THEY ARE THE SAME THING. I AM STILL WORKING OUT WHAT SCRIPTURES LIKE THIS MEAN. WHEN I READ ABOUT FALSE TEACHERS IN 2ND PETER 2 I SEE A DESCRIPTION OF SOMEONE WHO DID GET SAVED, WHO DID RECEIVE THE SPIRIT AND THEN “DENIED THE MASTER WHO BOUGHT THEM.” I DO THINK THERE IS ENOUGH SCRIPTURE THAT SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE CAN BECOME A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, ACTUALLY GET SAVED, BUT THEN LOSE THEIR SALVATION.
Stewart:Number, Number 12. Hang in there. Definite Cases of Not Being in "the All." Not all are, All who? Remember, when it says, "To all who do so and so, well that speaks about a class who don't. Right or Wrong, Janet? What about that class? The ones that don't? Well, 5:29 says something about that. It says (reading or remembering quickly) and come forth, those who have done good(nyeah,nyeah) to the resurrection of Life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of Judgment. Wait a minute. He's gonna judge people. uh oh! Thought you weren't suppose to judge people. Well, He's going to judge. The Word's going to judge. That's interesting bible study right there: Jesus as judge. That is, in what sense is he the judge. I don't judge anybody, and here, He's gonna judge. The Father judges no one, in 5:21, but has given all judgment to the Son. Those look like 2 extremes, they look like uh, even contradictions. In 8:17, Jesus said, In the 8:16 he said, you judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. Okay, He judges no one, 5:22, though, the Father has given all judgment to his hand. Jesus himself said, For Judgment I came into this world. The point is, He came for Judgment, but He is not the executor of it and that's how it all makes sense. He came to speak the word, which is going to be the judge. So His purpose was judgment, but He is not the judge himself.
HERE ALSO STEWART IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD AND WHAT HE SAYS HERE MAKES SENSE
Stewart: That's called, a digression. Is anybody into it? (yeah).. huh? (yeah) huh? It's on the tape, you can do it later. Let's go um, going, any questions? How many understand that? Jesus as Judge. Dya ever wonder about that? I judge no one, and, 5:22, The Father has given all judgment to the Son. Why yes, He is given the matter of judgment to the Son, doesn't mean the Son is sitting on the throne, to Hell with this one, and, to heaven with that one.
Sister: He said, the word which I have spoken
Stewart: 12:48, that's right, we just read it, John 12:48. Yes?
Brother: The word is
Stewart: Yes, the word that he's spoken
Brother: ((( Low audio)))...somewhere... part....advocate
Stewart: yes, later he is called the advocate, which means a lawyer, not a judge. He's the one who sticks up for me, on the day of judgment. An advocate means a lawyer in King James, in the King Jimmy translation. What is it in Revised? Is it advocate? What is it in the King James?...Does anyone know?
Brother: same thing... advocate
Stewart: is it? Well, that's an old English term for lawyer. In our uh , in uh in this country it would be called a lawyer. It doesn't mean a judge at all. That's uh, Jesus came for judgment. He came to set up the terms of judgment by speaking the word and that word will be our judge on the last day. y' get that? And that way they all make sense, all the verses make sense about judgment. I judge no one. And there's another sense, in which He could say "I judge no one" He said in the present tense. Even if he were to be judge on the last day, He isn't now. He's now the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. He's now our shepherd. But He's going to be king over all. But He's not a judge at all right now. 5:29.
Now 6:66, that's the number of man, "After this, many of his disciples went away and no longer, went withdrew, and no longer went about with him, John 6:66, "After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him." Isn't that a case there of not being in the all? Didn't they take themselves away? Didn't they? Bill, uh what would your judgment be of this uh scriptural-escalogical interpretation of the exegesis of the significance?
Bill: What's the question?
Stewart: (huh,((laugh)) Get the bamboo stick out, it's getting late, and we've got a lot to go, right? Nevermind. Wouldn't you say that that shows, that they weren't in the "all who", sure, sure it does. Because they took themselves away. They weren't interest anymore.
HERE AGAIN IS STEWART MOCKING SOMEONE WHO EITHER HAS A FORMAL EDUCATION OR WHO POSSESSES SOME INTELLECT THAT STEWART IS INSPIRED TO MOCK. THIS MOCKING SERVES STEWART BUT HOW IS IT LOVING TOWARD THE ONE HE MOCKS?
Definite Cases of Not Being in the All. John 10:26 the last one, now that's an interesting verse and it's not hard to remember it. "But you do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep." Wouldn't you say then that they were not in the "all who"? Y'know, y'you pass over a little phrase like that, "But to all who..." Well that says a lot of a lot of different things in there. It means that therefore that there's certain people who aren't in that, since there's a division. Jesus said he came to divide, didn't he? Well then, if there's one class, then there's the other class too. And that's what we've been looking at in this last up category, Definite Cases of Not being in the All. And one related to it right before there, People that, apparently were in the all, but uh backslid. Shall we have a break again now? (no. no) Let's vote on it, I could just go all night. Because I'm talking quietly.
Brother: Let's (low audio) go to 8:00 though, it's not yet 8 start
Stewart: Good, I'm, I'm willing. Let's go. Let's turn the page. Oh, one of the heaviest of all, but a short one, but a very heavy one This is one of the heaviest of all the sub categories in the whole hundred sub categories. This is extremely heavy, Ernie
(((((off microphone:::: I smell pot, somebody's smoking pot,
Stewart: Somebody's smoking pot?
Brother: right through there,... down the hallway.....but how would it get in here?
Stewart: find out if they're smoking it in there. Praise God, well )))))
JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THIS MINOR POINT… SOME OF THE MEMBERS COULD SMELL POT SMOKE AND REPORTED IT AND STEWART ASKED THEM TO GO SEE AND IN THE MIDST OF THIS SEQUENCE STEWART SAYS ‘PRAISE GOD, WELL” AND THEN THE MEETING CONTINUES….IT’S JUST CLEAR TO ME HOW HABITUAL STEWART’S ‘PRAISE GOD’ing WAS…LIKE THE WAY SOME CANADIANS SAY AYE AFTER ALMOST EVERYTHING THEY SAY.
Stewart: Well, Let's, Let's read this. Who received Him, who believed. And in brackets, in His name, in other words, that's what it means, but just the part, Who received him comma who believed. The point of this, eh, division right here, this whole page, the point of it is that's it's necessary to receive and believe. And (clearing throat) the gospel is saying you must do both. Everywhere. You can't just do one. It's one of the most important passages in John 1:12. It cun shows that both steps are required. It's necessary to both receive and believe in Jesus.
AGAIN I ASK, IS THIS REALLY PROFOUND AND COULD THIS NOT BE EXPLAINED IN 10 MINUTES AND NOT TAKE HOURS? AND THE PASSAGE IN JOHN 6 WHERE JESUS SAYS “THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD, THAT YOU BELIEVE IN HIM WHO HE HAS SENT. THIS SCRIPTURE ALONE CONVEYS MEANING BEYOND THIS THING STEWART WORKED UP. “BECAUSE IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR LIPS THAT JESUS IS LORD AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL BE SAVED. FOR MAN BELIEVES WITH HIS HEART AND SO IS JUSTIFIED AND CONFESSES WITH HIS LIPS AND SO IS SAVED. 11 The scripture says, "No one who believes in him will be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon all who call upon him. 13 For, "every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved." WHAT WOULD STEWART HAVE DONE WITH THESE VERSES…HOW DOES RECEIVING AND BELIEVING FIT IN WITH CALLING UPON AND CONFESSING? I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND TRY THIS OUT BUT MY GUESS IS WHEN YOU RUN INTO SCRIPTURE ABOUT “AND MANY BELIEVED IN HIM THERE” AND THEN LATER THE SAME CROWD TRIED TO KILL HIM, THAT THE WORD BELIEVE IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE HAS DIFFERENT MEANINGS AND ITS USE IS DIFFERENT. NOW STEWART’S LIGHT MEDIUM AND HEAVY BELIEVING AND HIGH MEDIUM AND LOW RECEIVING MIGHT BE A CRUDE ATTEMPT AT RECONCILING THE RSV ENGLISH WORD CHOICE, BUT TO ME, THE STUDY IS OVERTHOUGHT AND OVERANALYZED AND AT TIMES IS INCONSISTENT.
Stewart: it's easy to demonstrate, with almost all the other (((following? )))((( references?))) ..referring to these two aspects, these two parts together also show the failure of doing one and not the other. Alright the first part, the biggest part there are verses that show that you must do both, and that's uh that's a lot of them in there as you see, that might be the first one you ought to get into, that group of verses right there. Showing it's necessary to both receive and believe in Jesus. Now the 3 super heavies, that's very interesting, but I notice there's only one on this...12:36, that's interesting. There's only one there, isn't there? Well, then let's um, Let us take John 1:39 and 41 and look at that. John 1:39 and 41, let's see. That would be uh, "many Samaritans from that city, believed in Him because of the woman's testimony, "He told me all that I ever did" is that it?
Brother : 1 chapter 1
Stewart: Chapter 1:39(low audio) Oh , what am I doing? That's 4:39. That's also in there isn't it? The 4:42 is also circled, showing how uh the uh Samaritans first received Him, and then believed in Him. uh but 1:39 yeah, come and see. uh The the uh, that's receiving right there, "but Jesus said to them "Come and see, and they came and saw where he was staying, n' they stayed with him that day. Is that believing or receiving Jesus?
Brothers and sisters: receiving ,receiving ,receiving, receiving
Stewart: Are you starting to understand that?(yeah, yeah, yeah ) Receiving is wanting to be with Jesus, dealing with him. "Okay, I'll check it out", that's receiving. And they did that. And what happened the next day? ((they believed) They believed. And they believed the right way, the heavy way, they were calling Jesus the Messiah, the Christ, the Son of God, the King of Israel. He whom Moses wrote about, all 5. Two disciples were calling him that. Nathaniel and Andrew, right? Nathaniel and Andrew. Nathaniel and Andrew said that. right? yes, Andrew and Nathaniel said those things. The next day, they were calling, at least Andrew the next day, believed in Him. So there's a case of receiving and believing ah, and you can clearly see receiving and believing, in there. So it is with each one of these references. I'll just pick one at random here, the circled one 36,chapter 12, oh yeah sure 12:36, you already know that. Take 16:27. Chapter 16 verse 27. Does that show that you must receive and believe? Well, di'uh, John 16:27 says, "And the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came from the Father." Well the loving him, on the part of people, he was talking to disciples, it's not God loving people, it's people loving, and that would correspond to receiving, that is wanting to be with him and uh, continuing to want to be with Him and uh growing in a relationship with him. Which is something different than being convinced that He is the Messiah. The Father Himself loves you, because you've loved me, AND have believed, that I came from God. Well, receiving and believing are both in there. In other words.
DOES ANYONE ELSE GET THE SENSE THAT THIS IS ANOTHER SCRIPTURE THAT KIND OF BLOWS UP THE WHOLE STUDY? LET’S LOOK AT THE VERSE:
16:27 for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from the Father.
HOW CAN ANYONE USING STEWART’S “BELIEVE AND RECEIVE” FORMULA, EQUATE OR CRAM LOVING JESUS INTO THE RECEIVING COLUMN? IN THE CONTEXT OF JOHN 16 IT IS RIDICULOUS TO DO THIS. REMEMBER, ST SAID THAT JUST RECEIVING ISN’T ENOUGH AND HE QUOTED VERSES DEMONSTRATING PEOPLE RECEIVING BUT NOT BELIEVING….NOW THINK ABOUT THIS. IT’S LIKE JESUS SAYING….”HEY, YOU 11 DISCIPLES HERE AT THE LAST SUPPER, YOU HAVE LOVED ME BUT THAT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND THAT WON’T BRING ABOUT YOUR SALVATION, IT’S A GOOD THING THAT YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT I CAME FROM THE FATHER, BECAUSE UNLESS YOU LOVE ME AAAAAANNNNNDDDD BELIEVE THAT I CAME FROM THE FATHER, YOUR GOOSE IS COOKED, YER OUT OF LUCK. DO YOU SEE HOW HARD YOU HAVE TO WORK TO MAKE SOME VERSES FIT INTO THE STEW? STEWART SEEMS TO BE ON THE RUN HERE. HE SEEMS A LITTLE DESPERATE TO MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK. AGAIN, READ JOHN 16,THE WHOLE CHAPTER, AND TELL ME HOW ANYONE CAN PUT A CHART OR DIAGRAM AND MEASURE THE LEVEL OR GRADE OF RECEIVING AND BELIEVING….WHEN JESUS SPOKE 16:27? IT REALLY IS AN INDICTMENT OF STEWART’S UNFITNESS FOR THE OFFICE.
Stewart: John uh 5:44 is circled, Let's look at that one. As you all know John 5:44 says, oh yes, "If another comes in his own name, him you will receive. No it doesn't, it says, "How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?" Now believe and receive are in there. We're suppose to receive glory from God, we're eh sposed to seek glory from God rather, which means seeking the presence of Jesus. How can you believe when you are not seeking my presence? Nothing? What is the onl, the glory that comes from the only God? That's Jesus, it's not the Maharaj gee.
Hello, everyone, How are ya? Warm evening, isn't it? Amen. Bill, what w'd you say to the eschatology of this theological proposition?
Bill: low audio
MOCKING BILL AGAIN, REALLY CHRIST-LIKE
Stewart: Yes, would you say...How can you believe, is what Jesus said, How can you believe, who seek glory from one another. You just want each other to pat you on the back and don't seek the glory that comes from the only God. We are to seek glory y'know. We went through that before. To those who seek glory, and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life (wow) We are to seek glory and honor, but God's glory and honor, not eh human glory, not eh vain glory, as it's called, and there's another scripture that ties in here, coincidently, and that's John 12:42 and 12:43, "Nevertheless, many even of the authorities believed in him but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out the synagogue, for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God." Were they not also um, seeking glory from one another? Were they? What would you say, Brado, are they? Were they seeking glory, I'm so tired, am I? Hey, um, were they seeking glory from each other? Sure they were. sure they were. They loved the praise of men, more than the praise of God. That's not seeking the glory that comes from the only God. The praise of God would be the glory of God. Jesus,uh, being with Jesus, and having God's approval. They're not looking for that. That,That corresponds to receiving Jesus, being open to him, seeking, desiring, etcetera, as on the chart. Everyone understand that?( yeah) Or are you totally fogged up? What d'say Cleveland, d'ya understand that? You don't. Ah, uh, Joann I can't hear ya.
(Laugh)- huh, Praise God, 200 foofers, how about that! That's wonderful. Hey, this has to be, uh really, one of the happiest days, I ever knew, really. I just keep thinking of "Who has born me these?" And I can remember years ago, being completely alone, and uh where did all this come from? Wow! Praise God is all I can say.
I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS DEPARTURE FROM THE BIBLE STUDY. I THINK THIS IS AGAIN A SIGNIFICANT VIEW AT THE UNCENSORED FREE-SPEAKING STEWART. NOW THAT YOU HAVE LISTEN TO THIS AND HAVE LISTENED TO THE THINGS STEWART SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE FELLOWSHIP AND HIS EXCITEMENT ABOUT THE GROWTH, ARE YOU SEEING WHAT STEWART IS REALLY GLAD ABOUT, WHAT MAKES HIM HAPPY? ALSO BEAR IN MIND WHAT I WILL REMIND YOU OF SHORTLY WHEN READING AND HEARING THIS AGAIN. FIRST, STEWART IS HAPPY ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AT THIS FIRST BIG MEETING. HE SAYS IT’S ONE OF THE HAPPIEST DAYS HE EVER KNEW. NOW CATCH WHAT HE SAYS NEXT AND I KNOW IT’S SCRIPTURE BUT I THINK IT IS AN ODD APPLICATION. HE QUOTES, “WHO HAS BORN ME THESE.” THE FULL SCRIPTURE IS IN ISAIAH 49 :
18 Lift up your eyes round about and see; they all gather, they come to you. As I live, says the LORD, you shall put them all on as an ornament, you shall bind them on as a bride does. 19 "Surely your waste and your desolate places and your devastated land--surely now you will be too narrow for your inhabitants, and those who swallowed you up will be far away. 20 The children born in the time of your bereavement will yet say in your ears: 'The place is too narrow for me; make room for me to dwell in.' 21 Then you will say in your heart: 'Who has borne me these? I was bereaved and barren, exiled and put away, but who has brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; whence then have these come?
WELL, FIRST OFF, WAS STEWART LIKE ISRAEL WHO WAS UNFAITHFUL AND SUFFERED GOD’S WRATH AND THEN IS GOD NOW BRINGING STEWART’S SONS AND DAUGHTERS BACK TO HIM OR TO HIM AFTER A TIME OF DESOLATION AND BEREAVEMENT? OKAY, MAYBE STEWART DIDN’T MEAN TO APPLY THE WHOLE THING TO HIMSELF, BUT IT IS STRANGE TO ME THAT HE LOOKS AT THE 200 GATHERED AS BELONGING TO HIM, OR BORN TO HIM. HE SEEMS TO THINK THE MEMBERS ARE FOR HIM OR AN INDICATION OF HIS OWN SOMETHING. AND NOTE HIS REMINISCING, “ I CAN REMEMBER YEARS AGO BEING COMPLETELY ALONE.” THIS IS WHAT HE SAID. NOW THINK ABOUT THAT. STEWART TRAILL, COMPLETELY ALONE. IT’S NOT THAT HARD TO BELIEVE. BECAUSE HE REMAINED COMPLETELY ALONE FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS. HE HAS THESE BURSTS OF HAPPINESS OVER THE NUMBERS AND THE GROWTH AND THE EXPANSION BUT YOU DON’T REALLY GET A SENSE OF HIM BEING JOYFUL AT THE FELLOWSHIP WITH THE ACTUAL PEOPLE IN FRONT OF HIM. STEWART FINISHING BY SAYING, “WHERE DID ALL THIS COME FROM.” FIRST IT WAS “WHO HAS BORN ME THESE?” AND THEN HE FINISHES WITH “WHERE DID ALL THIS COME FROM/”…ALL “THIS” COME FROM…..LESS PERSONAL ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF THEM AND MORE MARVELING AT THE SIZE, THE NUMBER, THE SENSE OF SUCCESS IN QUANTITY OF BODIES AND NOT QUALITY(THE ACTUAL BELIEVERS IN OUR LORD). VERY REVEALING. THE COMMENT, “ I WAS COMPLETELY ALONE,” IS ALSO REVEALING. WHY WAS STEWART COMPLETELY ALONE? WHY WASN’T HE IN FELLOWSHIP? AND IF HE WAS COMPLETELY ALONE, HOW DID THE MEMBERS OF THE FOREVER FAMILY MAKE HIM A PSTOR OR BISHOP OR OVERSEER OF THE FLOCK. 1ST TIMOTHY AND TITUS HAVE STANDARDS FOR THOSE ASPIRING TO LEAD OR CARE FOR GOD’S CHURCH. HAD THEY ACTUALLY TESTED STEWART, THEY WOULD HAVE DISQUALIFIED HIM FROM LEADING. STEWART NEVER TAUGHT THE BIBLICAL STANDARDS FOR LEADERSHIP. THIS ALLOWED HIM LICENSE TO LEAD AND TO RECRUIT YOUNG FOLLOWERS ALSO TO LEAD WHEN THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE. FROM THE BEGINNING STEWART WAS WRONG ABOUT LEADERSHIP, WRONG ABOUT CHURCH STRUCTURE AND GROWTH. WHILE SUPPOSEDLY STRUCTURING THE FELLOWSHIP HOUSES LIKE THE EARLY CHURCH, HE FAILS TO FOLLOW BIBLICAL STANDARDS FOR LEADERSHIP.
Stewart: uh, to get back to this, to get back to this. Where are we? Some more heavies, that you can see both. What John 20:31 is a very top verse, right? " But these are written that you MAY Believe, that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God and that believing you may have life in His name. " But these are written that you MAY Believe, well that you "May Believe" doesn't mean you are going to believe through this, says you have a chance. There's something else involved in other words, receiving. You gotta believe too and you gotta know these facts, and you gotta know that he is the Messiah by these proofs, yes. But these are written, these proofs are written, so that you may believe that he is the Messiah, the promised one. Praise God.
THIS IS SO REACHING AND TORTURED TO MAKE IT FIT THE STUDY
Another one is uh, 2:23. Chapter 2 verse 23 "Now when he was in Jerusalem, at the Passover feast, many believed in His name, when they saw his signs which he did. See that, many believed in his name, when they saw his signs. Well, they were there and they were dealing with him. They were watching his signs, weren't they? Right there was receiving Jesus. That's how I received Jesus. That is. Receiving Jesus, dealing with him. Sure, they were full of doubt, in fact um, it came to nothing, they were dealing with, John 2:23, who received him who believed in his name (now when he in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many believed in his name, when they saw the signs which he did) You know what? That's a heavy in there because it comes in to the other category. I got it wrong. It's um, a case of receiving. It's a case of believing and not receiving. It's a case of believing and coming to nothing. In fact I have that under that category as a heavy, do you see that? (yeah) 2:23, thought there was something wrong. Well when you're tired I half way don't agree with myself.
ANYONE ELSE CONFUSED RIGHT NOW, STEWART ADMITS HE ISSometimes I catch it. Um. Look at it again. What were they doing there in John 2:23? They saw His signs, many believed in Him. They saw his signs, for his miracles, we went through this, uh few days ago in Allentown, didn't we? 2:23? 4 and 5. A week or two ago. They believed in His name, they believed just for His miracles, many believed in his name when they saw his signs, which He did. They believed alL right and they believed in His name, the right way, but um, but that receiving wasn't much receiving at all. It wasn't that much, just watching his miracles. So uh, that's why it's a case of the other one. It's in the main category, they're all in there. Well, let's try another one.
5:24 really heavy verse, John 5:24, "Truly, truly I say to you, he who hears my word and believes Him who sent me has eternal life." Can you see receiving and believing in there?(yeah) Believing Jesus means you have to believe in God. It means you have to actually receive God's testimony concerning His son, otherwise you're calling God a liar. If you are calling God true, then uh you're calling Jesus true. He who does not honor the Son, does not honor the Father who sent him. If you believe in Him who sent me, if you believe Him who sent me, then you believe Jesus. Period. And hearing His word...
Brother: Hearing His word is like listening to His word.
Stewart: Sure. Doesn't mean your eardrums. Like um, a few minutes ago they were talking about, they saw His miracles, they were receiving, and they were watching his miracles, their eyeballs were were uh involved, they saw his miracles, but that doesn't mean anything in itself.
Now another one, um, I would like to point out, one of the apparent problem ones, at this time...How much time is left on the tape?
Brother: 5 minutes
Stewart: Alright, Here's a good one. John 3:32 and 3:33, how does that tie in with this? Let's look at those two verses." He bears witness to what he has seen and heard, yet no one receives his testimony. He who receives his testimony, sets his seal to this, that God is true." How does that tie in with all this? No one receives....his testimony. Well they receive Jesus, but they don't receive his testimony, really. When you're starting to receive Jesus, when you're just starting, you don't start by receiving his testimony, that's too heavy. In fact, no one can receive Jesus' testimony, now, receiving Jesus and receiving his testimony are very different things. You'll notice in the middle of the chart, when you're in that Heavy Circle in the middle, then you are partially able, through the Holy Spirit, to receive His words and testimony and accept Him. No one can do that on their own. No person can do that. No one receives his testimony. But when you receive Jesus and you believe in him, and you're working up those arrows, you're being led up those arrows and you get into that Heavy, "getting serious with Jesus" then, through the Holy Spirit, you are able to receive his words. He who receives his testimony then sets his seal to this, that God is true. In other words, if you received Jesus' testimony you're calling God true. Therefore 5:24 also ties in, when it says, "and believes him who sent me." Therefore, putting those two together," believing Him who sent me" means "receiving Jesus testimony." Do you all see that? Well, it's on tape, you play it back, and you go over it. eh point, clearly does, but I guess we're all tired. Well, you're looking Andy, do you see it or not?
AT THIS POINT YOU HAVE TO TAKE STEWART’S WORD FOR IT. BELIEVING BECOMES RECEIVING. AND HE HAS THIS CHART THAT CAN GPS EXACTLY WHERE ONE IS IN THE ZONES OF RECEIVING AND BELIEVING…AGAIN THIS IS THE PROTO-TYPE TO THE UPPER-ORANGE PLUS AND THE LOWER BROWN MINUS…THIS IS STEWART’S WORLD OF DEGREES OF FAITHLFULNESS, DEGREES OF PROOF OR EVIDENCE OF A LIFE WITH GOD.
Brother: No I (low audio) I tried
Stewart: (cough) Oh wow, do have, I do try, on a heavy budget. Well, that's true anyway, John 3:32 and 3:33, No human being can accept Jesus' testimony. You can't do it on your own. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. (in a mocking country preacher's voice) You can't be going up them there aisles, brother, unless God's leading you. (laughing) I do try.
STEWART MOCKING ALTER CALLS
Brother: Maybe you should do a Marjo
Stewart: Hey that chart is all right, I tell ya, that chart's uh showing where it's at. Do a Marjo?, Noo! Let's just do one more verse. One more heavy verse, whadda ya say? Received and Believed, John 4:42,They said to the woman," It is nolongerbecuzeyertestimony, is that it?
Stewart: It is nolongerbecuzeyertestimonythatwebelieve, we've heard for ourselves, we know, we know that this is indeed the savior of the world.
Brother: That's it...That's it (audio break)
Stewart: (low audio) And they believed and uh they both grew, receiving and believing grew. So they were really committed, they were really in that area there. Okay let's break up for a while and then we'll get back.
Break(( brothers and sisters talking)
Brother: People, we must bring it to your attention,that the FF will not be meeting in this building next Saturday.
Brothers and Sisters: Why....why why why? why??
Brother: Because the church will be using it for their own affairs. So the FF will not be here next Saturday.
Brothers and Sisters: Where will we be?
Brother: We don't know what we're gonna do yet. Next to decide.
Brother: (in a mock radio/ tv drama announcer voice))Will the Jesus kid pull through? (((find out next week)))
Stewart: Where are we gonna meet next week, Kiddies?
Stewart : Clevelaaaannd!!!!!
Brothers and Sisters:(((( cheers)) ((((clapping)))))
Stewart: Can God deliver a nicotine addict?
Stewart: Can you get us to Cleveland??!!
Brothers and Sisters: Yeaahhhh!!!
Stewart: Hey, hehe, all right now let's see, Cleveland. It was your idea, Skip, at this time, I'll turn the meeting over to you.
Skip: Will go in your private airplane. (laughing), I know, we'll rent our own airplane, whadda say, we'll charter a 747 and have the meeting at 30,000 feet. Yeaaah! (((Yeaaahhh!)))))((((love a fairy tale))))((((should be a rock and roll star)))
Stewart: Hey, that almost happened already. on another airplane, really. People get saved on those. Hey I'll tell ya, twice, twice, I was talking to people in the circle, at 30,000 feet. And they were in the circle. they fell out without a parachute though. (laughing)That is, they didn't get saved. When you're in that circle, there's only 2 ways out, up or down. You know that? Notice how if you.............................................
I CONCLUDE BY LISTENING TO THIS AUDIO. TELL ME HONESTLY. DID YOU HEAR CHRISTIANS REJOICING IN JESUS AND FIRED UP ABOUT JESUS AN DOING HIS WILL OR DID YOU HEAR A GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE WITH A 36 YEAR OLD BEARDED BIBLE TEACHER ALL REVVED UP ON HOW COOL IT WAS TO GET TOGETHER AND HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND BEING A PART OF THIS GROUP THAT SEEMED TO BE TAKING ON THE WORLD AND EXPANDING. THEY SOUND LIKE HIPPIES THAT WERE INTO A MOVEMENT NOT A MESSIAH. AND OF COURSE STEWART IS ENERGIZED BY IT ALL, HE’S THE LEADER. HE’S THE UNCHALLENGED LEADER.
SO LOOKING AT THE SCOREBOARD, WE HAVE 3 TIMES WHERE STEWART MAKES SOME REFERENCE TO HIS OWN SALVATION OR SEEKING SALVATION. WE HAVE 2 TIMES WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT THE CHURCH AND EXPANDING AND HIS HAPPINESS AND MARVELING OVER THE GROUP AND NOT THE REASON FOR THE LIFE OF THE GROUP. WE HAVE A BIBLE STUDY WHICH CONTRADICTS ITSELF IN PARTS. WE HAVE STEWART MOCKING FORMAL EDUCATION, FORMAL BIBLICAL EDUCATION, COMPARING ALLENTOWN BRETHREN TO CLEVELAND’S BRETHREN, WE HAVE A CHART OR DIAGRAM THAT INVOLVES BEING IN A CIRCLE OR A HEAVY CIRCLE AND THERE ARE LEVELS OR DEGREES OR GRADES OF RECEIVING AND BELIEVING, WE HAVE STEWART EXPRESSING MILD IRRITATION THAT SOME WOULD DARE TO INTERRUPT HIM OR DISTRACT OTHERS FROM LISTENING TO HIM. AND PULLING BACK, WE HAVE STEWART IN CHARGE OF THE WHOLE THING. HE IS THE LEADER. HE IS THE TEACHER. ALTHOUGH THERE SEEMS TO BE “FELLOWSHIP LEADERS” PRESENT, IT IS PLAIN TO THE SIMPLE OBSERVER, THAT THIS IS STEWART TRAILL’S GROUP. AND I WOULD POINT OUT AGAIN THAT THIS IS THE SAME GUY WHO HAD A SISTER SIT ON HIS LAP IN A DINER IN ALLENTOWN WHILE HE COMPLAINED OF BEING LONELY AND NEGLECTED BY HIS WIFE AT HOME. THIS IS THE SAME FELLOW WHO HAD 5 CHILDREN AT HOME WHO NEEDED HIS ATTENTION. THIS IS THE SAME STEWART TRAILL WHO AT THIS VERY EARLY STAGE IN THE FF WAS HARSH, SARCASTIC, DIVISIVE. HE WAS COMPETETIVE AND DOMINEERING. HE WAS NOT SCRIPTURALLY QUALIFIED TO LEAD GOD’S CHURCH AND HE WAS UNACCOUNTABLE FROM THE BEGINNING TO ANYONE. I WORTE THIS BEFORE. THE REASONS I THINK STEWART FLOATED THE IDEA OF HIM BEING A KIND OF MOSES OR ELIJAH OR JOHN THE BAPTIST ARE EASILY UNDERSTOOD. THESE 3 MEN OF GOD APPEAR IN SCRIPTURE TO BE ALONE. THEY DO NOT SEEM TO ANSWER TO ANYONE BUT GOD. THEY APPEAR TO HAVE NO BROTHER DOWN HERE TO FELLOWSHIP WITH OR CONFESS THEIR SINS TO. THESE 3 MEN OF GOD EXISTED BEFORE THE CHURCH AGE, BEFORE PAUL WORTE TO TIMOTHY AND TITUS AND DREW UP THE QUALIFICATIONS OF BISHOPS, DEACONS AND PASTORS. THESE MEN OF GOD WERE GIVEN AUTHORITY. BY ALIGN HIMSELF WITH MOSES, ELIJAH, AND JOHN THE BAPTIST, STEWART INSURED HIS POWER AND CONTROL. WHO WOULD QUESTION MOSES OR ELIJAH? WHO QUESTIONED STEWART? STEWART WAS ABLE TO ESCAPE STANDARDS AND ACCOUNTABILITY BY BEING THIS OLD TESTAMENT MORPH. HE DIDN’T HAVE TO SUBMIT TO CHURCH STANDARDS FOR LEADERSHIP. MAY I ALSO ADD THAT IT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST PIECE OF EVIDENCE OF STEWART’S PRIDE AND SELF-DECEPTION THAT HE WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN THE IDEA THAT HE WAS THE REINCARNATION OF ONE OF THESE MEN OF GOD. STEWART WASN’T ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER CULT LEADERS THAT SPRUNG UP AROUND THE SAME TIME HE DID. AND HIS FOLLOWERS WERE NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF THAT TIME WHO WERE CAUGHT UP IN THE MOVEMENT FRENZIES OF THE 1960’S. THE DIFFERENCE ABOUT THE FOREVER FAMILY IS THAT GOD WHO IS FAITHFUL EVEN WHEN WE ARE FAITHLESS, KEPT ALL HIS PROMISES TO THE PEOPLE WHO CALLED UPON HIM TO SAVE THEM. HE PUT HIS SPIRIT INSIDE THEM AND HE WAS FAITHFUL TO ANSWER PRAYERS ACCORDING TO HIS WILL FOR HIS OWN NAME SAKE. STEWART WAS AND IS TRYING TO CONTROL A GROUP OF CHRISTIANS. THE STRUGGLE REALLY CAME DOWN TO STEWART OR JESUS. WHO WILL BE THE SHEPHERD OF THIS FLOCK. SINCE STEWART WASN’T AND ISN’T OBEYING BIBLICAL STANDARDS FOR LEADRSHIP, HE MOVED DIRECTLY AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD TO BECOME AND STAY THE LEADER OF THIS FLOCK. THESE ACTIONS WERE FROM THE BEGINNING. WAS HE DIFFERENT IN THE FF? YES, OF COURSE. THE GROUP WAS MANAGEABLE AND HIS LEADERSHIP WAS NOT THREATENED. WAS HE FAITHFUL TO HIS ONE WIFE AND DID HE MANAGE HIS HOUSEHOLD WELL(((((FIRST)))))) BEFORE TAKING THE LEADERSHIP OF GOD’S CHURCH? I DON’T THINK HE DID. THEN THE WHOLE INCIDENT OF ACCUSING HIS WIFE OF ADULTERY AND SPIRITING THE KIDS AWAY FROM HER AND DRIVING THEM ACROSS STATE LINES TO LIVE AWAY FROM HER. REALLY CHRISTIAN OF HIM. HOW CAN SOME EX-FFER’S STILL DEFEND THE EARLY FF STEWART TRAILL? I BELIEVE IT’S BECAUSE THEY GOT FROM HIM THE THING THEY LACKED AND HE GOT FROM THEM THE THING HE WANTED. YOU CAN MAKE A LIST OF ALL THE REASONS AS THERE WERE MANY MEMBERS OF THE GROUP WITH MANY REASONS. THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS, IF THE EARLY BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF THE FOREVER FAMILY HAD STAYED DEVOTED TO JESUS, THE TRUTH, HIS WILL, THEY WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY DISMISSED STEWART BASED ON THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL. THEY DID NOT AND IT IS AT THIS POINT THAT THE CULT WAS BORN AND STEWART TOOK THE PLACE OF JESUS. STEWART’S CREATED GROUP BECAME MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE TRUTH. STEWART’S LEADERSHIP BECAME MORE IMPORTANT THAN GOD’S. THE CURRENT COBU IS THE GROSSEST EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE WITNESSED AT THIS FIRST BIG MEETING.
WE WHO WERE MEMBERS OF THE FORVER FAMILY, OF THE CHURCH OF BIBLE UNDERSTANDING NEED TO FACE THE TRUTH ABOUT STEWART TRAILL AND REPENT OF OUR ALLOWING HIM TO TAKE THE PLACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. GOD SAID, “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.” STEWART TOOK THE PLACE OF GOD AND IF HE IS IN ANY WAY STILL PLAYING ANY PART IN YOUR LIFE RIGHT NOW, IN A WAY THAT CAUSES YOU TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE COUNSEL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND “WHAT STEWART TAUGHT”…THEN YOU NEED TO REPENT.