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Dustan, you can legitimately raise a finger, then! Never use the words "hand" and "strangelove" in the same sentence. Yes, puck. > tnx Pinky up, Gardner! When is that tomb coming out, anyway? Now extending thumb with pinky to make the shukka 'hang loose' sign. Heya Card Hi. Nice to see you. Hello > hi Hi, Scott! Wow. He can see you! Writers really do have mystical powers. hi Hmmm. I wonder who Orson Scott Card might be among those mysterious names? Hello everyone! Nice to "see" you again--if we can call what we're doing "seeing" each other. * Drikmor groans > lol gard Hmmm...would "feeling" each other work better, Gardner? Gardner, this is about the only way people see each other these days. Everyone, we will be starting tonight's chat in just a couple of minutes. Nancy Kress hads told us that she is going to be a few minutes late... Gardner, I think we can "call" it "seeing" It would work better depending on who you ARE--not with YOU, I think, though, Dustan. Legend....are you Rob Silverberg by chance? I realize now I should have "said": Nice to "see" "you." Let's give our guests a few more minutes to filter in. LOL Gard. Whoa! Someone just ask me if I was Silverberg! As our guests filter slowly in, like fine coffee perculating... My day is made! (But no, I'm not) good! > la la la I think I seeped in like a slow leak in an air-conditioning unit. Or fine wine, gradually turning to vinegar... (He did an anthology by that name) It's your air of wordly sophistication, Legend! * GarTrek has seen Scott seep before LOL Orson, do you bring Legionaires disease with you? Moderator left...hmmm... party No, but in my youth I danced with the Legionettes. The Moderator left! Like a rat deserting a sinking ship! we all promised to behave *** Mode change "+o Moderator" on channel #auditorium by Moderator That's worth a few points, Orson. I'm back! Disco Scott and the Legionettes? hehe Ah, come to moderate the poor oppressed masses! > damn my window is messed anyone know how to get it big again? How long before this discussion degenerates to complaints about Episode 1? Finally found my way in. Your dumb program insisted on my giving you a nickname. Actually, she left more like a rat going to check the other chat rooms for the guests who haven't shown up yet... Give it about ten minutes, OSC. So you chose, "Harlan, " right, Bob? How do you like my nickname, Bob? click on the little square with the square in it...in the upper right. Card, did ya like it? * GarTrek thinks the server massed against the poor oppressed moderator! And you didn't pick "Poopsie?" Shame on you, Bob! Say no to spoilers. I thought and thought and finally it hit me ... I thought "Legend" was you, Rob. hi I chose RSilverberg. Fight dumb with dumb. Forgive me father, for I have sinned. Well, we've got three Big Name Writers here. I suppose that's enough to start. Well, it keeps us tech folk from having to play charades -- which is a good thing! Hi, Bob, by the way. Hi Heck, I've even got one of my characters here. Anybody else bring one of theirs? I thought not. Should we start, Gardner??? hehe Scott > lol scott Can the others still get in if we do? And Bill Shakespeare sent Puck. Mr Card you are Buddah! > hey I liked this alright Yes, and as soon as I recognize them, I can give them...VOICE! Never comes himself anymore. WHEN DO WE GET TO GET OUR BOOKS AUTOGRAPHED? Ah, what fools these mortals be!... I will not rest until I "see" Brin in this "room"! "Look!" He's over "there!" You can mail them in reusable packaging to PO Box 18184 Greensboro NC 27419-8184 and get my signature on my story. This room is a signing heaven. I'm gnashing my teeth right now! * GarTrek is not sure you can see a Brin in "The Transparent Society" hehe Just "kidding." Cool, Orson! Gardner, you'll "pay" for "that" What are we doing here? Dustan, just IMAGINE that Scott is signing your book right this moment. And if you imagine it HARD enough... Okay, so that was sort of "weak" typing? We're waiting for Joe Haldeman and David Brin... Well, I suppose we should start, Moderator. I, for one, am watching "Just Shoot Me" and playing Civilization II. Okay! ah, the joys of multitasking. Oh yeah, and chatting with us, right? Hold on for a moment...while I start the Moderator magic... And hope that the others show up eventually. > civ is ok ever play starcraft? > card? Spam ahead. Duck. Whenever I think of something to say. *** Mode change "+m " on channel #auditorium by Moderator *** Mode change "+v Gardner" on channel #auditorium by Moderator *** Mode change "+v RSilverberg" on channel #auditorium by Moderator *** Mode change "+v OrsonScottCard" on channel #auditorium by Moderator Gardner! Type to me, baybee! Why, suddenly I can type! I couldn't type BEFORE! It's...MAGIC! Boib, Scott?? Can you... TYPE? And...I can CRAWL again! > lol tYPE? *** You do not have permission to send to this channel *** To ask a question in a moderated room, type "/msg Moderator" followed by your question. Scott??? Oh no, you scrambled his synapses! Aaaargh! I have been +v-ed! Cool! Let's begin with the intros: Hi everyone -- thanks for joining us here at scifi.com for tonight's chat. We're going to be talking to five very talented authors about the universes they created for Robert Silverberg's new anthology, FAR HORIZONS: The Great Worlds of Science Fiction. A dozen writers contributed to FAR HORIZONS altogether but the five who are with us tonight are: David Brin (UPLIFT), Orson Scott Card (ENDER), Joe Haldeman (FOREVER WAR), Nancy Kress (THE SLEEPLESS) and Robert Silverberg (ROMA ETERNA). Now these are NEW stories -- but they are based on each author's most popular series or settings. You should DEFINITELY buy this book. We have all been Translated into the Realms of the Divine! This chat is co-sponsored by Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine -- http://www.asimovs.com -- and your host tonight is the debonair and charming Gardner Dozois! I'm the tech guru and this is the way it works: if you have a questions to address to any or all of our guests, shoot it to me as a private message and I'll see that it gets asked. Voila! Hey, don't forget the All-Important Commercial Announcement! You mean... http://www.asimovs.com??? Yes! Well, let's not forget www.hatrack.com and www.frescopix.com Those too! And Far Horizons, available at your friendly neighborhood amazon.com *To *moderator* Scott.. Have you ever thought about writing the book hivequeen and the hegemon? *** No such nick/channel > l *** You do not have permission to send to this channel *** To ask a question in a moderated room, type "/msg Moderator" followed by your question. Not to mention the upcoming novel "Ender's Shadow" (Aug. 31), which goes back to Battle School from Bean's point of view. Now I feel much better. I may be asking why you called us all together tonight. *** Mode change "+v NancyKress" on channel #auditorium by Moderator Are we waiting for questions? Because I have become so skilled in the online interview format that I begin answering questions BEFORE THEY ARE ASKED. Testing... *To Moderator* Scott have you ever thought about writing the hive queen and the hegemon? Church of JC of the Former-Day Saints, Scott? And I also answer questions that NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE ANSWERED. Doggone it, Bob, that was one of my best answers, and now you've used it. Yup. Quick fingers. Hi everyone -- I'm here! About time. WHat did you do with Joe? *** Mode change "+v Gardner" on channel #auditorium by Moderator Hi, I'm back. We never knew you were gone, The cats decided that I'd talked online long enough. That's the story of my life, Bob! but we missed you anyway, I think, This set-up phase is like every fantasy role-playing game I ever played - all set-up, no play. I have all these characters that have never taken more than ten steps into the dungeon. Nancy, just came in, I think, having obviously devoured Joe somewhere backstage. I even wrote novels about some of them. So, while i was gone, have we covered how this anthology came to be? Bob? We have an audience question... : For Robert: What quirk of fate brought this insanity about? -- er....I mean What was the genesis of this book? Synergy... Same difference. Go, Bob. Well, in the beginning there was LEGENDS> And I looked upon it and it was good..... Was the world without form, and void? And thought maybe the s-f people should have one too. So I asked Heinlein for a Future History story, and Isaac to do a Foundation thing, and Frank Herbert..... Odd how the fantasy tail is now wagging the speculative fiction dog, these days, isn't it. Interesting that you thought of the fantasy one first, since you're usually thought of as an SF writer. And when nobody wrote back I figured I ought to try a couple of the other folks.... *To moderator* Scott:have you ever thought about writing the hive queen and the hegemon? But fantasy is Where It's At. I've even written some myself. For some of us, fantasy is NOT where it's at! > o *** You do not have permission to send to this channel *** To ask a question in a moderated room, type "/msg Moderator" followed by your question. Hey, Bob, Heinlein, Frank Herbert, and Isaac got confused and sent those stories to ME, instead. Thanks for getting them worked up for me, though! You know why Willie Sutton robbed banks, Nancy? He said, It's where the money is. Did you get the Hubbard story too, Gardner? You should have written to Hubbard. He's still writing a blue streak. * NancyKress laughs And the Verne? Jeest. We're serializing it in all twelve issues next year, the Hubbard. But did you ask Willie Sutton for a story?? He quit writing after he got the Grand Master. (Now the references are too obscure for me ... who the heck is Willie Sutton? Bank robber. Not a Mormon., Funny. Butch Cassidy managed to be both. Safe-cracker. DEFINITELY not a Mormon. Not Jewish either. I don't think there have been any famous Jewish bank robbers. I guess I'll skip the obvious Rothschild joke here. Yet, anyway. Is casino-building the same as bank robbing? The Rothschilds didn't rob banks, they ran them. Is a big difference. That's the joke. You don't have to rob them when you own them. Maybe not for the customers, I guess. Here's another audience question: to : This question is to torture you guests, Where do you get your ideas? I read Nancy Kress's column in Writer's Digest. * NancyKress laughs I get them in on-line chats like this. Actually, I get them from studio and network executives in pitch meetings. These guys are GOLD MINES. For those of us writing high-viscosity science fiction, science itself yields all sorts of new ideas. So when Heinlein and Asimov didn't come through, I asked Brin and Bear and Card and Kress and all those guys, and they wrote a lot of nice stories..... And then the book came out and you should all buy it and I can go to dinner. Right now, corn disease, monarch butterfiles and Frankenstein foods -- who could ask for more? Nice was what I was going for, that's for sure. Murrain....frogs.... *** Starting conversation with Moderator *** Ending conversation with Moderator Stuff with the first-born,,,, *** Starting conversation with Moderator *** Ending conversation with Moderator *** Starting conversation with Moderator *** Ending conversation with Moderator Butterfiles, Nancy? *** Starting conversation with Moderator Those of us whose idea of science is reading each issue of Scientific American whether we understand it or not have a much harder time coming up with sci-fi ideas. Butterfiles ... she keeps an organized refrigerator. *To Moderator* scott: have you ever thought about writing the hive queen and the hegemon? Is that like butterflingers? James Bond movie, wasn't it? Genetically engineered corn has had its pollen blown on to milkweed which is the foold of the monarch butterfly caterpillars -- nd it is killing them. Mind you, I''m in favor of genetically engineered crops. But there are still some bugs in the system. Seriously: Ideas come from asking questions and making up cool answers. Why? What if? What next? And larvae *** Mode change "+v Joe-Haldeman" on channel #auditorium by Moderator And what happens if you take the obvious and turn it upside down. Hi Joe!! Whew ... You should be able to type -- try it! *** Mode change "+v Gardner" on channel #auditorium by Moderator Finally made it, after four crashes and a computer change You need to put more butter in the damn thing, Joe. Hi, Joe. FOUR crashes, Joe? You drive that computer too damn fast! Try the new Mac SUV. I should use the turn signals Cop's get you for typing under the influence! Gardner, just because it feels so good to get +v-ed doesn't mean you should keep doing it in front of the children. I wish. *** Ending conversation with Moderator Much like Eternal Fame, the chat keeps spitting me contemptuously out. *** Starting conversation with Moderator Audience question: : When creating an alien culture (or even a future human culture), how do you balance the need of the reader to understand through familiar concepts with the "strangeness" or uniqueness of the culture you are creating? Does anyone use a "set" criteria? The first criterion is clarity. *To Moderator* sorry to bother you but I have sent in a question twice are you going to send it in? sorry again I think everybody makes it up as they go along. Whatever "feels" right. You lead them in subtly. You study how Heinlein did it, if you're smart -- the easy intro to the strange. Clear weirdness is what you're after. Clarity, yes. Then plausibility. THEN strangeness. Then full extrapolability. By the time they know they're in another world, they're in it. Feed in the bits of strangeness in tandem with the bits of familiar. We're giving away all the secrets. They were secrets? Ouch. They were written on golden plates. It's really effective if the strangeess is not immediately apparent ... Interestingly, the "familiar" lead-in stuff in Heinlein stories such as "Gulf" is by now dated enough that it probably seems more unfamiliar than the "unfamilar" stuff to many readers! but appears to the rede _after_ if occurs on the page. Ye olde generation gap. No defense against it. At dinner tonight, my step-daughter had never heard of Sputnik.' But I bet after dinner, she had. She was amazed when I told her how it seized our imaginations in 1957. Sputnik was 42 years ago. Bill CLinton was nine when it went up. So, how many of you actually WANTED to write another story set in your famous series? And how many of you had said "Never Again!" when you finished the previous story? I have students who ask "What's Shinola?" I wish they had sent him instead. But they know the rest of the equation, So was I -- nine, I mean. Actually, the chance to write an Ender story was perfect - I wanted to write about Ender's meeting with Jane, but it wasn't worth a novel. If you were president instead, would you have let the Chinese pirate all your stories? Nancy? A high-school kid asked me once (in total seriousness), "Did World War II come before or after Vietnam?" I had said Never again! -- until Bob asked. He's very pursuasive. I can be very persuasive. Many women have had that identical experience. I'd always wanted to write a story that was a follow-up to The Forever War, to expand on the ambiguity Many have submitted, yes. of the ending. But few are chosen, What about the ending of the ambiguity, Joe? So, having said "Never Again" about returning to that world, was your first reaction dismay? Or did you become enthusiastic about going back after you thought about it for awhile? William Gibson made the never again stick. Which is why he's not in the book. I begged and begged. Wept and moaned. But I'm not his type. Any other Big Fish you went after but couldn't get, Bob? Clarke. He said yes, then got too busy accepting his knighthood, and checked out. Bradbury was writing a screenplay for The Martian Chronicles and didn't want to write a new chronicle. I couldn't use the follow-up novelette in Bob's book because it was turning into a novel (forever free). So I wrote him a different one... If you could have ASSIGNED a story to Clarke, a follow up on one of his famous stories, which Clarke story would you have picked? How long does it take to accvept a knighthood? filling in a "lost" part of the story in TFW Actually, Spinrad was thinking of an anthology in which series writers PARODY their most famous characters. You gave us 18 months to write the story for God's sake. It took him three months. I would say yes faster. Depends on how hard they whack you with the sword, Nancy. I was so tempted to do that for Bob's anthology, but I decided that wouldn't be in the spirit of the venture. I asked Clarke to extend Childhood's end, He was tempted. CHILDHOOD'S END is a good choice. I might have picked THE CITY AND THE STARS. Beyond Childhood's End....maybe an odd idea. Childhood's End was the first science fiction novel I ever read. I was 14. Anyway, Greg Benford took care of City and Stars. It was wonderful at 14. I wonder how it holds up. Well, you'd already seen Sputnik by then, so you might as well read... Station identification: our guests tonight are David Brin, Orson Scott Card, Joe Haldeman, Nancy Kress and Robert Silverberg ho've all written stories for Robert Silverberg's new anthology, FAR HORIZONS: The Great Worlds of Science Fiction. Got a question? Shoot it to me, Moderator, as a private message. I was seventeen. I didn't think as much of it later on when I read it again. I liked it when I read it. Haven't re-read it in years. : RSilverberg, how important do you weigh science in science fiction? But what ever IS as good as when you're seventeen? You can never read something for the first time a second time. I hope I'm better at SOME things now than I was when I was seventeen... I've rea novels that were better on the second reading ... I think the science ought to make sense -- no flowers on ferns, for example. But it can remain subtext while the drama plays out on top. Different stories offer dreams that fit with different ages. I read Moby-Dick and seventeen and found it tedious. REad it again in my late thirties and found it funny and wise. Flowers on ferns might be an interesting notion, come to think of it.... You saw it here first. Bob, if you COULD have had a story from a Famous Dead Writer, which sequel from whom would you have wanted? So i don't ask "Galactic Derelict" and "Tunnel in the Sky" to be as good now as they were then. Because they were the stuff of dreams then. I have different dreams now. I ocunt the characters as more important than the science but many disagree. This makes for very lively debates at my house. Nancy, doesn't that depend on the story? If the focus of the story is the idea (cf. Nightfall, 9 Billion Names of God) the characters are irrelevant. I picture you and Charles yelling the equivilent of "Tastes great!" "Less filling!" across the kitchen table at each other. But in most of your fiction, while the science is not irrelevant, the characters are the reason for reading. Different kinds of fiction. Both good, when done well. The science in sf is like the independent "reality" details in any fiction. It can be bullshit if you know what you're doing. Everyone does it differently, with different emphasis on different things. That's why you can read more than one book in your life. Words of true wisdom for Gardner! Give that man a drink. * Moderator passes Gardner the Thunderbird. Indeed, Joe, with some stories, the only difference between listing them as SF or as fantasy is that the bullshit details are more "convincing" in one than in the other. You want to trust your reader to know when you're kidding. Another audience question -- this time for Joe: Mole> : question to haldeman: Why is it that many of your works involve the military in such detail? Do you see it as a dominating force in technological advancement? Still bullshit in both--just that the doubletalk seems "plausible" in one, and not the other. No, Mole. It's just a "write what you know" thing. *** Mode change "+v OrsonScottCard" on channel #auditorium by Moderator But the military does drive tech. Ref. the design of the space shuttle. *** Starting conversation with OrsonScottCard Tsk, Scott! Now YOU'RE +ving in public too. I'd only want to alter Gardner's summation by saying that good fantasy must be as convincing as good sci-fi - but using different methods of establishing verisimilitude. *** Ending conversation with OrsonScottCard I'm so ashamed. *** Starting conversation with OrsonScottCard There's probably a twelve-step program for people like us. *To OrsonScottCard* scott: have you ever thought about writing the hivequeen and the hegemon? Station identification: our guests tonight are David Brin, Orson Scott Card, Joe Haldeman, Nancy Kress and Robert Silverberg ho've all written stories for Robert Silverberg's new anthology, FAR HORIZONS: The Great Worlds of Science Fiction. Got a question? Shoot it to me, Moderator, as a private message. True, Scott. Need drives technology. The military is one source of that drive. But commerce is another. Fear of death is another - hence advances in medicine. *** Ending conversation with OrsonScottCard And then there are dreams. Commerce is driving genetic engineering. *From OrsonScottCard* I've declared HQ&H to be life-changing books. How would I dare to write them now? I could never produce something as good as the hype I created for it! Hungers for prestige and love and admiration drive things like plastic surgery and automobile design and underwear design. Reading Le Guin's "Earthsea" story, "Dragonfly, in LEGENDS, it struck me that, although the world worked perfectly as a fantasy world... Here's a question for Scott -- appropos: to : Mr Card since most of the Ender novels were more about people than the science , does that mean you know people better than science? Technology also drives itself. Any computer customer knows that. ...If you once touched a spaceship down on Earthsea, even for a second, the whole world would change into SF instantly, like a chip of Ice Nice changing water. Sad to say, I don't know that much about either. But I guess at what makes people do what they do - including me - and try to make sense of it in stories. That's Ice Nine, actually. Each story is like an experiment in science - try out the hypothesis, see if other people find it rings true. I like Ice Nice. Ice Nice makes people instantly NICE to each other. As to science, I just use whatever is needed to make things work in the story. Create a black box and make clear what the rules are: Put X in one end, get Y out the other. They could use some in the Middle East. Islam forbids its use. In another sense, though, science IS people - scientists doing things and believing things for human reasons. Some of what we call science is just religion in a new suit. (cf. psychology before effective drugs). But in the end, our knowledge of people and our knowledge of science are both subjected to the same test: does it work in the real world? 'noither audience question: to : To all our authors: You each get, for one magical moment, the ability to categorize your books the way YOU want to in every bookstore on the planet. Under what category or listing would you place them? this set of pontification done. Whether it's SF or fantasy, the story needs to be internally consistent, and faithful to the aesthetics of the world. SO, no spaceships in Earthsea, no ghosts or demons in RAMA. I don't equate faith with religion, Scott. I'd say science is often "faith in science." *** Mode change "+v RSilverberg" on channel #auditorium by Moderator Different books in different categories. I have written historicals, contemporary novels, sci-fi, fantasy. I wish each could be in the place most likely to find its appropriate audience. *** Starting conversation with OrsonScottCard I think the distinction between "religion" and "science" is often used by scientists as a way of asserting the superiority of their own religion. But that's another argument. Bob and Moderator slipped out for some Hot Cybersex, but they're back! Yeah, if we're limited to the real world, I'm happy with "literary hard science fiction." The network hung me up about ten minutes ago and I can't find my way back in. The scientists who feel most threatened by religion are the ones for whom science is most religious. Am I here now? A very metaphysical question. Yes. You're here, Bob. *To OrsonScottCard* what in your eyes do you believe was the best book you have ever written? It's happened to me twice so far. I was told that my name was in use and I had to provide another one. But when I did that I didn't have the right to get on screen. Foop. But the term "literary" - Joe, your stuff is much better than the claptrap that goes under the name "literary" in bookstores these days. I 'm going to scroll back to see wht I missed. That academic-literary stuff is so riddled with cliches and stereotypes, so tied to formulas. Well, in some fantasy world the category "novel" wuould do. Are you sure you want to saddle your work with a limiting label like that? That's the best world, Joe - but then, the existence of genres helps readers find our books when we're just starting out. I suspect that there's good stuff and bad stuff there as well, if you look close enough, Scott. Just like everywhere. Can't scroll back either. I'll just sit here until I figure out what the question is. I know, Gardner. Just like reversing the stereotypes - with the exact same degree of validity. It doesn't seem limiting. By "literary" I just mean "to be judged by normal literary standards. Most sf is not. The question, Bob, is what category we'd like to put our stuff under if we could choose. I would put my books in a category called Science Fiction For People Who Think They Won't Like Science Fiction But Who Live In The Real World. Science fiction., I believe in truth in packaging. *From Scorpio^* hey can i ask you something You have to come up with an acroynm for that you can put on the spine, Nancy. *From OrsonScottCard* They were all the best I could do with a story I cared about and believed in at the time. How can I decide which of my children I love the best? *** Ending conversation with OrsonScottCard I did a book called Dying Inside once and they put a slimy monster on the cover. The slimy monster fans didn't find any inside and the people who don't read slimy monster books didn't buy it. So I quit writing forever. *To scorpio* sure *** No such nick/channel Would it have been worse, I wonder, if it DID have slimy monsters inside and you DIDN'T put them on the cover? I think my category really is "Stories that pretend to be easily-readable science fiction but are secretly just whatever Card felt like writing and thought he might get someone else to read." When I was through quitting writing I stopped caring about the packaging. Like swimming upstream to give a damn about it. And then they brought it out with a neutral cover to bring you back? *To scorpio^* sure Yes. But by then everything had changed and nobody understood the book. My two thrillers were shelved with sf because my name was on them and no thriller readers actually found them -- which is too bad because I think they're the best books I've ever written. For a guy who quit writing forever, Bob, you keep having RELAPSES. Same here with my two historical novels. *From Scorpio^* i have been in here for 6 mths 39 f and i have never seen anything remotely like this The categories are maddening, though, when you write out of category. My "Enchantment" sat on the New Fiction shelves in the chain stores for about two weeks, till the Star Wars novelization drove them off. Then they put them into the sci-fi section, which is NOT where its proper audience will find it. Oh, I won't quit again. I'll just do a Cheshire Cat routine. *From Scorpio^* i am curious And my spy novel. *From Scorpio^* what the heck is going on *From Scorpio^* Laughs Out Loud *From Scorpio^* sorry Joe, did 1968 get shelved with SF? Not that I know of. They thought it was a prequel to 1984. There you go, Nancy. It's the unimaginative use of computers in the chain bookstores. That's what you do when you don't have store managers who know books. *To scorpio^* just talking to some sifi writers *From Scorpio^* it is soo cool *From Scorpio^* can i watch Har de har ha. Bob -- actually, WAR YEAR got an sf cover and wound up on the sf shelves. *From Scorpio^* where did you guys come from *From Scorpio^* i mean i have never seen you Should we remind the 47 people with us to go out and buy Far Horizons now? Some writers are now creating pseudonyms for each category, just to beat that system. Dave Wolverton is now writing a fantasy series as David Farland. And that was only to change from sci-fi to fantasy. Go out and buy Far Horizons NOW. Killer anthology. Your libraries will be incomplete without it. Yes, Yes. Buy it for your friends who couldn't make it to the chat! THis is subliminal advertising at its finest. I was sto do that, Scott. I wanted to do 1968 under a pseudo. Keep it above the limen, And WITH it, your libraries WILL be complete, and you don't have to buy another book as long as you l ive. There's so little flexibility. When I did my SF cat anthology, I tried hard to get them to get stores to put one copy out in the SF section, and one copy in the PET section. But there's literally no mechanism in place to enable you to do this. and pretend it's not. You said it, Scott. The ultimate anthology. The trouble with a pseudonym is, you lose the GOOD parts of your career - like getting paid enough to live on. I did okay with that Grisham penname Ahem! At this point in the evening, Gardner and I generally open up the channel to -- uh -- freeform chat. Scott? Joe? Bob? Care to stick around for a few minutes and hang with the homies??? so you hve to choose between getting shelved in the right place, but getting paid a $3,000 advance, or getting the advance you usually do, and getting shelved in sci-fi no matter what. Guess which one I chose! Of course, I've been writing for years under the pseudonym "Anne Tyler." I liked the books you did under the "Stephen King" name better, Bob. What about the five as Moses? They were heavy reading. Only Deuteronomy. Come on, Bob, don't take credit for Harlan's early work. I liked the Gigamesh ones Sins of my youth, *From Scorpio^* hey too fuc*ing cool man I wasn't all that crazy about your "Anne Rice" books, though. I'm here till about ten-thirty. *From Scorpio^* Scorpio^ is a dance and gymnatics teacher *From Scorpio^* and i love sci fi So, any questions for Scott, step up to the plate! What about the Iliad? Some nice battle stuff there, hey? Not mine! That's a filthy lie and I won't have it! I did NOT write the Anne Rice books. I simply told those stories to a weaselly friend who wrote them and took all the credit and the money! The swine! I don't have a clock on this little slow computer. I'm here for a while. Harlan wrote them. We settled that five lines back. Joe and I are here until they close the bar, as usual. Lower the bar, you mean. *From Scorpio^* how do you get in It says Brin is here. Where? I take it David Brin never showed up. You mean some people are getting drinks? Is it because I'm using AOL that I don't get bar privileges? I hve to say good night now. Good night, sweet princes. Unless Bob is David Brin TOO. He is here in spirit ...... Not on your life. Farewell, Nancy. We've got to stop meeting like this. Goodnight, Nancy! Write me some more stories!! OR his. Good night, Nancy,. Can I write the intro to your next novel? There's a Brin in the corner of my screen.. Impostor? Swede dreams ... Mod, tell Nancy to stop hanging out in chats and write me some new stories! Yeah, well, there's a Cheese in the corner of mine, and I'm not making nachos. That goes for the REST of you, too! Okay, y'all. I haven't eaten yet. Cut out the food stuff. Wait a minute, mod Now the real wild and crazy stuff starts -- hold on to your hats again. We're going UNmoderated.... I have a question for Bob, and for the rest. Okay *** Mode change "-m " on channel #auditorium by Moderator You mean ... I'm getting un-*v-ed? Any guys wana chat?pres 5555 hi > now thats better * whiz waves to Cheese! It's like becoming a virgin again. Yeah Wg=hhoops! howdy Wait! Hey... Cheese... yoah! Oh, wait. I was already a virgin. Bob, if you could have gotten a sequel to ANY story, even by Dead Writers, which one would you have chosen? wake up, brin Joe where are u from? Hamlet > so how is everyone tonight? * Moderator peers up * Raptor dinks with his Lego Droid Starfighter, deftly morphing it from cruising the attack to walking modes, with a quick swap of bricks.... Oh boy, now I get to say something! Hi. David Brin here. Been kept out till now. Nice to see you guys... sorta... Card, how's that EG screenplay comone along? howdy Fortinbras takes over the kingdom and Hamlet's ghost starts to walk... Brin! hi everyone And the rest of you, if you could have picked out any story to see a sequel written to, which one would you have picked? OSC: How goes the battle to bring Ender to the big screen? David! You're actually HERE! Bummer - I guess you didn't use the "list of chat commands" to find out how to tell the moderator you were really David Brin. moohahahahahahaha... Cows...... bring me some COWS......... Here's mine: you guys talked a lot about categorizing between SF and fantasy-- yet I believe much good work is both at once, particularly from Zelazny's work. Is that a good or bad thing? I see we've let the dork site of the farce loose in here. It wouldn't've happened in a transparent society Categories aren't important, just good fiction, Hello Gardner. How you been. lol About Ender: The Movie: I'm working on the new screenplay. I can do it from Ender's pov this time because we have a good chance of getting Jake Lloyd to play the part, if the script is right. Use the Farce, Luke... The Marketing Power, Luke... Use the Marketing Power! Gardner -- should we go back moderated for a couple more minutes??? bah set the moderation back on. With a real actor in the part, I can write it the way it's supposed to be written. To be or not to be, that is Bob's alter egos.... Mr. Card do you know of a market for christian based sci-fi? Hold on everyone!!! That would be nice. SILENCE! * whiz holds on to Moderator And Jake is the real thing - a brilliant kid, a very good actor. Look how he made those awful lines in Phantom Menace sound almost like a real human might have said them! We're going to go back into moderation for a few minutes. when's the movie suppose to come out? Moderator takes a whiz.... *** Mode change "+m " on channel #auditorium by Moderator ?mode #auditorium +v Gardner Vadah, I know of no such market. The biggest barrier is that to be christian fiction, God must function as God; to be science fiction, God must NOT function as a transcendant God. *** Mode change "+v Gardner" on channel #auditorium by Moderator *** Mode change "+v RSilverberg" on channel #auditorium by Moderator *** Mode change "+v brin" on channel #auditorium by Moderator *** Mode change "+v brin" on channel #auditorium by Moderator So -- who can type??? Gardner? I can't think of a way to reconcile the contradictory rule set. I can. But what for? The what? Well, those who'd like can answer the question--which SF story, other than ones you wrote, would you most like to see a sequel written to? Living or dead authors. I was continuing the previous answer to Vadah's question. *** Mode change "+v brin" on channel #auditorium by Moderator Mystery of Edwin Drood. The Lady or the Tiger. David Brin?? Can you type? Am I on? I think Joe has disappeared... I've seen "Christian science fiction," but it's exactly as good as science fiction by romance writers - it's just work from the other genre using a few sci-fi tropes without a clue about what they're for. You're always on, Gardner. Christian s-f? You mean, advocating the doctrines? Or examining them? Great news about the influence Scott Card is having over the interpretation of his novel to screen. I did not have that for the Postman... Tho the Paramount deaGreg Bear, Greg Benford & I just returned from a tour promoting the second foundation trilogy. *** Mode change "+v Gardner" on channel #auditorium by Moderator Blish's novel is Christian s-f, I think. Case of Conscience. Advocating. If it merely examines them, then it's not "religious" - it's theological or cosomological I assumed Vadah was referring to Christian fiction in the sense that there is a Christian Fiction category today - fiction in which characters are self-consicously (and, alas, usually smugly) Christian. *** Mode change "+v brin" on channel #auditorium by Moderator Advocating any doctrine seems to me a violation of the reader-writer relationship. Obviously I'm not a fan of the genre. Exploring, yes. Peddling, no, Christianity is at least as worth exploring as atomic theory. In fiction, I mean. The only reason I still have influence over Ender's Game, Dave, is because there's no money involved yet. As soon as money gets involved, no one will listen to me anymore. So then, what SF story would you all most like to see a sequel to? Any author living or dead. Seems to me that Star Wars peddles an unbermensch religion, that demigods can get away with genocide, so long as they save their own son. Dune? Andre Norton's Time Traders books. I want more! Instead, she went off into the Witch World series, which got less and less interesting to me. There's one coming up, in fact, I think, Bob. Several, in fact. Vance's To Live Forever. I agree with you there, Scott. Loved TIME TRADERS, never liked WITCH WORLD. I wrote a nasty essay on that, Brin. Which obviously no one read, because I was later offered the chance to do a Star Wars novel, which would never have happened if anyone in the Lucas group had seen my opinion of "The Force" as religion. Kuttner's Fury. Sam woke, remember? Remember? Interesting choice. Dune is another example. The tradition is as old as the Illiad! It runs through comix. In contrast, Star Trek is of the Jeffersonian/Heinleinian tradition. I believe the DUNE sequels are being written by Kevin Anderson, though, not (alas!) Frank Herbert himself. I think, though, there's a big difference between fiction in which characters have powerful religious beliefs, and fiction in which the author's powerful religious beliefs and the assumed audience's powerful religious beliefs shape the story. He wrote a few himself, actually. How can you assume anything unitary about the audience? Unless they're Unitariams, of course... Unitarians, I meant, Bob, it's a self-selection process. You have to assume that anyone who reads a lot of sci-fi is the kind of reader who reads sci-fi. Getting hungry. Scott, I was about to say that the Parmount deal for Startide looks like I've got more clout. They have to be POLITE when they ignore me & kick me off the set! But not of any one faith,/ They're always polite, David. But they always win. And I feel quite safe in saying that anybody who reads a lot of Christian fiction is going to be the kind of person who enjoys reading that kind of fiction. Seems like a truism, but ... Stop ribbing, Gardner. You want me to pass the horseradish sauce? I was once asked to provide a quote for a Christian novel by Roger Elwood. He was astounded when I pointed out I wasn't Christian. And that Zeus was about as real to me as Jehovah. Bob, we signed and sold a LOT of copies of Far Horizons on this tour. Hunneds! So you can afford real prime rib. How about you, Joe? What story would you most like to see a sequel for? And vice versa. REAL prime rib is fattier... I don't think Joe is here anymore. His + listing is there, but his name isn't there farther down the list. I think Joe's gone. He'd probably like to see a sequel to The forever war. How about YOU, then, David? You weren't here earlier. Any questions for David, by the way, Moderator, pass them on up to us! *** Starting conversation with OrsonScottCard Gardner, I wanted more from Sheckly's MINDSWAP. Thanks for that prime rib, David. I'm starving. Good night, folks. Good night, Mrs. Calabash. It's a hard question. I wouldn't mind seeing a direct sequel to THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS. Or, hey, Bob, how about a novel version of THE POPE OF THE CHIMPS? The right hand of darkness, yes. Over and out. *To OrsonScottCard* about Ender:the movie you really think that jake is the right pick for it? Good night, Bob. *To OrsonScottCard* not bashing him or anything Good night, Bob. Shall we go unmoderated? Might as well. *From OrsonScottCard* Jake Lloyd is the real thing. You haven't seen him saying dialogue that isn't laughably bad. He'll be brilliant as Ender. *** Mode change "-m " on channel #auditorium by Moderator Several of us are unmoderate anyway. * Cassius is back from: In the immortal words of that once honored wise-man Forrest Gump: I gotta pee. ... 2mins 10secs Voila!!! hmm *** Ending conversation with OrsonScottCard For David Brin: Set? Kicked off the set? Is Startide filming?!!? "ahhh" woohoo > ahhhhh thats better aiee cass is the better term Also for Brin: What's next for Uplift? Out of curiosity, how is Ender's Shadow coming along? Virtual prime rib for everybody! what are some of the best books you guys have done this is for all of you Puck asked me if I was serious about Jake Lloyd as an ideal Ender. I told him that Jake is the real thing - he's brilliant. But you've only seen him saying really lame dialogue. Let me take this opportunity to plug the new series of YA novels that I've been developing with Nancy Kress (her novel's 1st) and Roger Allen & Sheila Finch. called OUT OF TIME. Coming out this summer. Good I was worried..... Thanks, Gardner! Pass the horseradish, please. That's the single worst problem in Star Wars: The Fantum Mennis. The dialogue was unbelievably witless. Mr. Card how then do you see spiritual maters addressed in a fiction setting? Gardner: I must admit of only being familiar with Card's and Silverberg's names. I was die-hard sci-fi fan, until 5 years ago. Now all those movie like novels dont apeal to me. Where do I start, again? * Cassius mixes in some Wasabe sauce with the normal horseradish.... Start with a subscription to ASIMOV'S magazine, Drikmore. You have to admit though, Jake could have put a little more feeling into flying down the center of a starship.... OUT OF TIME tries to offer books one level up from Animorphs & Star wars knockoffs. Kids from our time yanked ahead 2 centuries to save the day, then going home in time for High School. Do you guys ever work in between the plugs? Besides present company, try Dave Wolverton's "Golden Queen" trilogy - high-adventure sci-fi at the highest level. Gardner's still sowing those wild oats Go on to read my BEST anthologies, and get an idea for which authors you like. * Drikmor nods. Brin, as a teenager, I honestly can't stand that stuff. Mr. Brin, WHY the huge gap between 1st and 2nd Uplift trilogies, when SO MUCH was left unanswered in the first? > yea jake was also kinda shady in jingle all the way There are a lot of good new authors out there, all across the spectrum, from the hardest of hard SF to High Fantasy. YA fiction is really targeted at preteen readers. You always label books for several years OLDER than the target audience. That was a couple of years ago you'll have to remeber Look around, you'll find something you like. * Starlotte for David Brin, I've read Otherness and loved it, any other collections out there that I don't know about? It's such a chaos.. * whiz finally lets go of Moderator Drikmor. Look up some great young writers like Greg Egan, Linda Nagata and Wil McCarthy. Of course Greg Bear always excites & inspires. But then again, he is a fairly new actor, hopefully he can grab up enough experience to make ender look realistic The Crystal River, Starlotte and there was much rejoicing with the departure of Mod... > true true hello all Moderator was very cow-like. heh muu Second all of those. Paul J. McAuley, David Marusek...A dozen others. Stephen Baxter. Jake Lloyd has always been better than his material - but he's had some pretty crummy material So what do you all think of Kevin Anderson writing Dune books...a true tragedy if you ask me... Mr. Card. I really am dying to know when Ender's Shadow comes out, I read the preview at Hatrack.com and i can't wait for it to come out Starlotte. My two collections are River of Time (in print only in Britain and by email order from me ) and OTHERNESS. To Scott Card: I just did my first signing this weekend at Barnes, for an sf anthology. Now comes the scary part....where do I go from here? In Fantum Mennis, I kept waiting for the Harrison Ford character - the tongue-in-cheek anti-hero whose wit and irony would make it all come alive. > I agree orson he did show promise in the menice...there is talent there however very deep Geez, I got the name wrong! No such. Could have been the Jake Lloyd character, could have been Obi-Wan, but instead it was nobody. just read River of Time and its GREAT That's the writer's fault. As for Uplift books, I always take a big break after completing a couple. It's exhausting and I dislike "universitis". I try to do lots of things to stay diverted. Challenges. Then come home again. George Lucas and Star Wars have always been overrated > well orson what about jha jha binx? lol wanted to shoot him Bait and Switch, so you pay another $6.50 to see Episode 2. For Card: How involved are you in the movie? Ender's Shadow comes on 31 August. TOR is trying to get stores to hold to that date and not go early. Scott, did I read that you have inked the agreement for the next Ender novel AFTER "Ender's Shadow"? Will Ender have no....end? methinkso he should shutup! you have to admit though that starwars is not much for dialogue...Harrison ford brought in those lines and that's what made him a great actor.........thanx, I'll mark it on my calendar I'm writing the screenplay. I'm a producer on the film. That means that I have a very strong voice in every decision that's made - until a studio agrees to make it, hires a big name director, and the big name director fires me and bans me from the set. I'll have to pay the bookstore more than TOR can... Star Wars is a sketch of science fiction for non-readers Brin: I appreciate that, but you posed a huge enigma at the start of the first book (the nature of the Shallow Cluster fleet) and then left it hanging for more than ten years. I see it as one story, not seperates. * Starlotte just wanted to tell you that whenever I want to get someone into reading sf or alternates I have them start with Ender or Postman Aw, Legend, play the game with us - TOR is trying to get first-week numbers that might put the book on the New York Times list. > I have my advanced readers copy of beans story already ebay was sellin them, Regarding Far Horizons: If I havent read the novels the stories are based on, would it ruin it for me? :) To Orson Scott Card. How are you going to do the weightless thing. I know it's possible but wouldn't it be hard on the kids? And since sci-fi has to sell twice as much to get on that list as any other kind of fiction, it's a tough hurdle to jump. Don't worry, Card, I'm dirt poor Speaking of sequels, Scott, how about a sequel to "Eye For Eye," or "Pagent Wagon?" Legend. Why don't you try our OUT OF TIME books and email what you think? 3 nebula winners as authors. And we refused when Avon asked us to dumb them down. Son, it's all computer graphics. We paste the kids' faces on a computer model. Time-consuming and expensive, but we have cg artists now who can make it look so real you'll think the real kids got weightless. this sucks, I'm gone... MOO! MOOOOOOOOO!!!! COWS! COWS shall DESTROY you all! They'll fire the MILK of JUSTICE at you from the UDDER of TRUTH! MOOHAHAHAHA! Brin: I've always been a big fan of yours...I'm game * Raptor eyes whiz Ahhhhhhh. Thanks for clearing it up. > brin sounds good Puck, are you serious? Ebay is SELLING those NOT-FOR-SALE, COPYRIGHTed reading copies? > YEA A lot of money too. > I was pissed at first then just wanted one so bad got if for like 20 bucks Well, we're in it mostly for the fun of it, right? (wink) night all > night night Scott and Brin...how do you deal with that kind of frustration...being the originator of an idea, and having Hollywood take the reins from your hands? Ebay was 61 dollars/ Eye for Eye was self-contained, though I'm flattered you would think it worth continuing. PAgeant Wagon - no sequels, but I'm working on the musical version. Really. I was going to ask robert silverberg about the bicentennial man movie het whats new I think ebay will clamp down on that stuff if you email em > son got the one before it like a week ago > there have been like 10 on ebay Orson Brin knows how he deals with it. I've never actually had a movie made yet. But when I write plays, I'm quite aware that the script is only the plan for the work - I need the actors and director and technicians and designers, and the same is true of film. We're not the ones with $100 million to invest. Costner treated me lousy & blew it with the critics. It would tick me off... except that his POSTMAN was SO much better than the previous (evil) 7 scripts that it felt good. Brin: status of Startide in Hollywood? Please say Costner won't be Tom Orley The trouble is, somebody told directors they were the "authors" of the film - and because this is patently false, the directors become quite insecure when reminded that a living writer had something to do with it. So they have to destroy the writer and/or the writer's work in order to take possession of the authorship of the film. Mr. Card. I read at hatrack that you were thinking of writing the stories for a number of the children in ender's game...Is there any substance to that, or are you just going to stick to Bean's story? It's an ugly psychological need that works to the detriment of the film. David, sort of the lesser of 8 evils? *grin* Card: (speaking as a young writer who aspires to Cardness) who are your heroes? mentors? There are two Bean books. Then I do Petra. I felt it was midway between the critics' evaluation and my hopes. Being a cynic, I found that to be okay. It even had some good moments. someone's kissing some ass tonight.... That > brin I thought that the critics were alittle hard on the postman That And then we might invite a few writers to write novels about other characters - Alai, Hot Soup, etc. Weren't you going to do a Peter book? > ? I don't know if I have either, in the sense people usually mean. Mentors? I had some good teachers, but mostly what I got from them was encouragement. That's sad, Scott, about having to destroy the author to feel secure. But I can see the truth in it. I look forward to them > me too Heroes? There are writers I admire greatly, as there are people I admire greatly, but I don't know that they have had any particular influence on the WAY I write. Legend, sorry, we're still negotiating (with the producer of hunt for red october). Here's hoping we see dolphins on the screen in about 3 years. It's now been signed into law that Keven Costner HAS to play the lead in EVERY SF film from here on. * Drikmor shudders. AND the love interest, too! Gardner, I want Harrison Ford back in our camp! I was thinking of doing a book about Peter, but then my publisher told me I didn't want to, because Peter is too much of an anti-hero. Doesn't matter - Shadow of the Hegemon, the sequel to Ender's Shadow, is about Bean AND Peter, and so that itch will be scratched. Brin: Amen! (if it gets done right) oh no.......*screams* Gardner. Upside, Costner ain't Keanu. Downside. He's Costner Except for cyberpunk, which is exclusively Keanu Reeves' province. Gardner, you're forgetting that CYBERPUNK films must all star Keanu. Ok. He did unite the world though... "Hackers" didn't, but it still sucked. Oops. I just had an epiphany. > hey the matrix was good David Brin: Is Seattle part of the book signing tour? Yes, it was... * Leadbar wonders how Costner will play Friday But, from now on, Keanu will be PLAYED by Kevin Costner. Card: I have that effect. (Probably an improvement, actually.) > Hey guys why didnt the signing tour come anywheres near newengland huh? The tragedy is that films like The Matrix coulda been saved by a few lines of dialogue (cheap) leaving the expensive effects as they were. Kevin Costner? I couldn't see Kevin Costner typing... "Dances with Keyboards"... > lol People keep saying The Matrix has a great story...did I miss it? Keanu Reaves is actually a very good actor. The reason some critics miss that is that, unlike, say, Meryl STreep, he's SO good an actor you can't see him act. Or maybe peeing into a 3 and a half inch floppy drive to get a 5 and a quarter..... heh Card:I'm sorry i missed you at the Tower Records Last month, I wanted desperately to come see you, but alas....responsibility to clubs kicked in Yeah, David, I've often had the same thought. They could KEEP all the splashy effects and explosions and just slyly SLIP a plot and characters into the movie... People keep referring to "the signing tour." I guess I wasn't invited ... this one is for who's left (Gardner & Card): I'm doing an article for my newsletter, and i have to know: Boxers or briefs? Anyone who goes to Hatrack can't help but know Card's opinion on Meryl Streep Card: Are you ever pressured by your publishers to work on material that you are not interested in writing? I'll be at Nasfic in August, Chicago & Denver & Ohio in November. I post the itinerary at http://www.kithrup.com/brin/ Only updated every few months, I'm afraid. Brin: you've just come off the new Foundation trilogy with Benford and Bear, and now your doing this anthology. Why the turn for the collaborative? Gardner, that would be admitting that the audience was INTELLIGENT - shame on you! Boxers, definately. With litle stars and anchors on them. Rocky, no matter - I'll be out again for Ender's Shadow in September. * SirMoro takes notes... > newengland this time card? and what about u, Mr. Card? Boxers or briefs? Shotoku, the only pressure I get is just to fulfil the damn contracts and turn in the books. * Cassius eyes Senor Stalker... SirMoro makes the case for moderation Actually, I've seen Keanu be good--in, for instance, TUNE IN TOMORROW. But they should never let him do costume drama. ? it's for my newletter, Legend not meant to annoy Quite seriously, I am BARRED from writing some books for lack of a willing publisher, but I am never pushed to write books I don't believe in. Just doesn't happen. That'll be great.....Mr:card, I remember earlier you mentioned something about writing starwars novels, would you ever do it? I think the violent parts in The Matrix were pretty cool. Anyone who doesn't agree can just go die somewhere. I was just joking Moro...no bigt deal k You ought to write them anyway, Scott. Store them away in the safe for after you die, like Agatha Christie did. * SirMoro , not getting an answer from Mr. Card, moves to the next question SF has more collaborations because, like soldiers and scientists, we sometimes believe the objective (in this case a neato story) can be even more important than our own monumental egos. Proof? Watch Benford, Bear & me on tour! I considered it, but couldn't reconcile myself to two problems: Having to write within a really lame universe, and their offer of insultingly low royalties. Sure, Rocky, only Luke will have this kid brother, Ender Skywalker.....hehehe What brand of toothpaste do u use most often? > lol gar I'm afraid, Gardner, that I'm not rich enough to write novels that won't get published. Nor do I have the heart for it. I have to hear the audience breathing . It's the theatre background, I guess. I though Star Wars authors got payed obscene amounts why is there sooooo many ppl in here trek:, Nah, his name would be Andrew-Ender Wigginobi Card: What about that Mormon Mafia? Why is that so many of the rising stars of SF are from the Wasatch Front? Gardner. My favorite notion how a dumb movie coulda been saved woulda been to end TOTAL RECALL by fading back and showing Arnie drooling in the chair at the Total Recall Company, with Sharon Stone screaming at them about lawsuits! Dark Martian... why do people ask such stupid questions? Dark, Orson Scott Card and David Brin are here Hollywood believes that the novelization or the collateral novels are EXACTLY as important as the action figures. Write one and we'll serialize it. That'll force the publishers's hands! oh Kinda like Ubik, Brin? i just read the topic don't yell at me Cassius Sort of, maybe...been a while since I've seen Total Recall ok, question that someone has probably already asked: how does one go about getting published? I'm not yelling... I'm asking why you asked a stupid question... Hmm. I wonder when they are going to make real-life flash suits. oh sorry because i am a blonde and didn't know * Cassius flashes Son... Real life flash suit.... > look at hatrack lirani and uncle orsy tells all about it Mr. Gardner, Mr Crad: What brand of toothpaste do u use most often? or to be fair to David for being shut out earlier, David Brin and Orson Scott Card are here (there ya go, David, top billing!)( The joke answer, Shotoku, is that Mormonism is a science fiction religion, so we're raised to write sci-fi . Wow, I can't wait to read this newsletter One writes. One sends out what one writes. One keeps trying until one sells, or, ultimately, dies. hiya Antisunflower Hi I'll send it to u when it's done, Legend I can point out dark martian, that some servers sport 500-1000 ppl in some rooms, so 100 or so here is relatively few, but alot in this server The serious answer is that there has been a lot of strong mutual support in the sf-writer community there - everybody standing on each other's shoulders in a sort of moebius talent thing. all that's needed is an addy In other words: persistence + talent True, Gardner. They leave Legend, exactly! return it to it's Dickian roots! Even JEDI coulda been saved. I did NOT mind the Ewoks. I hated the evil notion of the apotheosis of Darth Vader, and the notion that getting mad makes folks evil. * SirMoro tries once more... Mr. Gardner Mr. Card: What brand of toothpaste do you use most often? the light jedi's got mad to, it's just that they didn't not allow the anger to control them brin are u David Brin so wait...if i send my short story into a mag or something, you'll say, "hey, i chatted with that girl in a giant question melee!" and get me in? ;) Brin, you're not supposed to think about Star Wars, you're supposed to enjoy tghe drama > sirmir. can you tell they are ignoring you yet? Yeah, Dave - to be redeemed in the Star Wars universe, you only have to save your own genetic material from being slain, and that wipes out the moral onus of having blown up worlds and murdered dozens with your own hands. I haven't seen the movie yet, but why is the hero a little kid? I would have thought it would have worked much better if he'd been the same age as Luke Skywalker had been. not yet, puck oh god... I gotta leave... I'm going to throw up... /me, not getting an answer from either, moves to the next question... All right folks. Sorry to be an old curmugeon, but my kids gotta be tucked in so it's time to go. You're a great group! Final plug, see http://www.kithrup.com/brin/ for the news about Foundation & OUT OF TIME and appearances. Colegate, Moro. If the next question is about toilet paper, I'm not answering it. why the hell is this brin guy so famous hiya SM Anakin is not really the hero, He just happens to accidentally fly throught the enemy starship, i think Obi-wan was the big hero of the movie Card: I was in the Salt Lake area--even attended The Life, Univ, etc. Met Lee Allred, Kathlene, & others, but am now in L.A. Is there hope out here of finding such a community? Bye Brin!! Bye, thanks. By David! Gardner, Scott, et. al. May you have much success. Keep in touch. before everyone leaves i just want to say i really loved ender's game I'll let you know what I think of the YA series... > bye brin This is all your newsletter can think to ask? About underwear and toothpaste? Mr. GARdner & Mr. Card: What brand of shoe are u currently wearing? If none, then what brand do you wear most often? SirMoro, I will tell you the answers that interest ME: I think the best ice cream flavors these days are: Godiva "Ivory Chocolate Chip," Haagen Dazs "Dulce de Leche," and Ben & Jerry's "Triple Caramel Fudge" or whatever that new flavor is called. Seeya, David. bye Brin Shotoku, you don't find communities like that, you make them. Seriously. Did you try Belgian Chocolate? Bye, David. Glad you finally found us. Bye all! it appears as if Mr. Card can read minds, because that was my next question.... Too chocolaty for me, Drikmor. And I still love my Baskin-Robbins chocolate chip. Nighters, Brin! bye night Well, I said I'd stay till 10:30. If the questions are down to underwear and toothpaste, I reckon it's about time to go. Card: Am actively searching for others. Thanks for your advice. > ahhh gotta love the pokemon add at the top of my screen Goodnight, Scott. Mr. Card:I saw an interview of your a couple of years ago on the scifi buzz. You were talking about a movie adaptation of Ender's Game. did that fall thru or is it still a possibility? Bah, don't let one goober drive you off, Card Goodnight Scott Card, thanks for sharing your time with us! mirc is the answer that's not the basis of my questions, Mr. Card there's more to it than that darn i just got here If you get back into writing short fiction again, keep us in mind. Pointman: Thanks for the private comment - you can type at will, though. Mr Card: I live in Mexico City what do u think about other lenguague writters_ > scott thankyou for your time...it was great to talk to you Yepp, it was great.. * SirMoro asks a random question... thanx for talking to us What was your faorite toy as a child? hey everyone Daishan, I'm writing a new draft of the script right now, with the goal in mind of having Jake Lloyd sign on if the script is right for him. I think he's a terrific actor - just hasn't had the role to show it yet. thnx Card :) faorite = favorite And, of course, everybody is going to rush over to the ASIMOV'S site and subscribe online after the chat, right>\? I'd like to think that Ender's Game could be to Jake Lloyd what How Green Was My Valley was to Roddy McDowell. oh hi ThunderWolf jake lloyd is really cute...in a little boy way hello finally a real sci fi movie :) > yea he just needs to smooth the edges I subscribed online Gardner...about a month ago, still havn't gotten my first issue! Thunderwolf, oddly enough, the pilot to my series BorderTown is filming this next week in Saltillo, with a bilingual production staff and many bilingual actors. And don't forget, our next chat, on June 8th, is with David Feintuch. david feintuch??!!!! Why does it always goes back to sci-fi movies..that's all sci-fi seem to be now You're doing a series? News to me... Antisunflower - Jake Lloyd has been made to PLAY cute - but he can be tough as nails. The kid is brilliantly talented, besides being flat out brilliant! o.k.... brb what time is that chat? What's is about? A border town? Hobbess: I love a book that knows it's been read! Will be at 9 EST, antisunflower. June 8th. Right here. Card: you've met him? On the U.S. Mexican border - but also on the border between realities. Wasn't there a BorderTown TV series about the Old West US-Canadian border? how about this: o you or do you notikethre-toed sloths? back by the way Card im making a ring of spanish scifi writers the irony of it......Hobbess and I are presenting Ender's game in class tomorrow > sir huh? Yes. I've met with Jake Lloyd and his family. HOWEVER, he has NOT signed with us, because we have to have the script that's right for him in place first. we will be honor if you read something Well Card, you're the only Famous Person left i know sorry, i was attacked by a plague of typo demons there > thought so Well, Rocky, I hope you're kind to my work ... Gardner is still here. Careful, they'll tear you to pieces! the question was: Do you or do you not like three-toed sloths? i will be looking forward to readgin it ThunderWolf > what the hell kinda question is that? Scott Card: Sounds like you have to have just as much business skill as writing skill. Mr Card: Are you aware that there were recently copies of a script of Ender's Game 1997 being offered at auction at eBay? I'm just an editor, though, and so don'lt really qualify as a Famous {erson. oh hiya Cassius mr card, I've heard strange things about mormons and i'd really like to hear what its really about Your work is at the top of my list for Sci-fi novels....I just don't know how the class would react to our 35min trial of ender wiggins don't wowe put ender on trial for his "crimes" the court was pretty biased in his favor it was a puppet movie You're names not in green, that's why I missed you To writers you are, Gardner! When you're writing, DustanMoon, you can't think about business at all. But as soon as it's written, you sell the hell out of it - and work hard to protect the work and its value from the predators. hmm... Wow, looks like card is getting screwed big time on eBay. Well, Scott, I'm going to abandon you to the wolves. * SirMoro feels as if he's bing ignored, but persists anyway... That protection part, how do you do that, Scott? Rocky, that's a cool idea. Would you report on how it went for our website? www.hatrack.com. I think a lot of our online community would love to hear about it. Sounds hard when you're dealing with Hollywood. > card what are you going to do about those advanced readers copies? * Card sits back and reads What is your favorite color of Crayon? Thanks for coming. Send me a new story one of these days... Scott Card: We will be honor if u or Gardner read some of our works Mr. Card I have a question to ask you said in your How to SF that it takes years to write a story. That kind of upset me because I wanted to start to write right away. So is there a way around that or is that just what happened to you. sure..will do.......... LOL "is there away around it?" Antisunflower - if you're serious, email me: OrsonCard@aol.com. (Not a secret). I answer serious inquiries about Mormonism. i have to go for the time being It's sad your newsletter can't come up with any better questions than these. What a waste of an opportunity! Nighters, Gardner! thanks, I will i will be back in maybe 10 min It's a small letter, Mr. Gardner i was having fun in #StarWars-Chat too bye all not many subscribers Alas, Thunderwolf, if I read manuscripts that I'm sent, I'd have no time to write. Besides, the people who should read your mss. are the editors. Which means - yes, Gardner! Because he edits Asimov's sf magazine! I'm just mad this chat room doesn't have an option to save the session Can't you just mark the whole log as a block and copy it? Yeah, editors are a captive audience. We HAVE to read the stuff! you can just copy and paste > cut and paste Get a real client and log. just an aside: ellison is on PI tomorrow night That's what they pay us for. use select all I wanna see some of the rejected stuff...just to see how mine compares with the WORST. Pointman - I said that it usually takes me years of thought before a story gels. But you can force it a little, esp. if you're combining unrelated ideas - the tension stirs creative juices. * SirMoro scans his pgae for a question.... Mr Card: really? oops typo The worst is probably far worse than you could ever possibly imagine. And in rare cases, I've written stories within weeks of coming up with the idea. My story "Elephants of Posnan" is like that. As is the story that will appear in Amazing this summer. how about... Have you ever gone skinny dipping? Nobody who hasn't read a slush pile can appreciate how BAD the stuff there can be. would it be a bad thing to send me one? I'm curious.... > sir where do you get this crap? > lol > jk Mr. Gardner, what DO you look for in stories? Card was in my room too SirMoro, do hot tubs count? I think it would be great, just once, to read slush, Gardner. it comes straight from my own head, puck > lol i guess, Mr. Card Well, come visit the office some day, Dustan, and we'll let you satiate yourself. Legend, in truth you learn more from the bad stories than from great ones. Hehehehe > well Mr. Card your a half hour over your bedtime... SirMoro, what kind of newsletter do you edit? Great ones can only lead you to imitate, which is unproductive. But bad ones spur you to think how YOU would have done it better - and that's good discipline. Love to, Gardner. i like to think of it as a Sci-Fi huor letter Card isn't here Great! We'll get some work out of you and won't pay you a thing! And it makes you feel good about your stuff if it's even a little bit better, Card. ask a bunch of Famous ppl some silly questions and see how they answer LOL! so far it's not looking good heh > lol Gardner, you'll be delighte dto know that my third Pastwatch novel will be: Adam and Eve come to earth as alien astronauts! It would be a good ego boost, I'm sure. Money can't buy that. LOL Card!!! Wow! > already done isnt it card?? Yes, it's true, the ultimate cliche ... I think what reputation I have left in the field will be tattered when that comes out ... Orson, I love your books. I want to read every one of them A new idea! > xfiles heh Gardner, are you Card No, he's better-looking, more famous, and richer. Puck, only about ten thousand times - 9,998 of them unpublished. > heh than who was Legend talking too -o he keeps saying Card Quadrinaros, I hope you achieve your goal! > beccause he is here He's talking to OrsonScottCard. that would be Orson Scott Card Dark Martian™ notice the long OrsonScottCard name? There was someone signed on as "Card" who was not me. oh Yeah, that confused me a bit He's that guy in the corner, near the potted palm. OrsonScottCard: Oh and you are you? apparentky i can't do it without crashing my computer i didn't see the OrsonScottCard sorry for not noticing ya OrsonScottCard wonder if you could do OrsonScottCard * SirMoro continues scanning his sheet for questions... Have you ever gotten strip-searched? hiya Palidus > sir no more please Scott Card: You must have just been in Portland, Oregon. Saw lots of freshly signed books by you. * Legend burns Moro's sheet > lol hiya JizBot SirMoro, do you mean by police? Or by a volunteer? * SirMoro has all the questions memorized Did you smell the ink or something, Dustan? hi * Dark Martian™ will brb > lol card Either/or Darn, Dustan. I thought they'd all be sold by now Well, I'm out of here. Goodnight, everyone. Don't forget to come back on June 8th for our chat with David Feintuch. Hobbess, the lucky one whose mom is willing to go get his book signed while were are off at a Key club divisional meeting Mr Card i really like yer work and want to say thnx for share it whit us :) hope some day u will read some of my future work Night, Gardner! bye Bye g'night Mr. Gardner Night, Scott. Save me some sllush! Goodnight Gardner and thanx for your help thank you, all you wonderful writers :) good night, again Speaking of signings, are you coming to Washington (state) anytime soon? > Orson why no New England stops on the signing I was depressed g nite Gardner thnx for yer time Good night, Gardner. Let me know when you guys want to start "Orson Scott Card's Magazine of Lame Sci-Fi" You're welcome Lirani heh you could have asked your parents rocky Hey, a few stories from you wouldn't hurt! there my parents remember? * SirMoro asks Card if he can be on the front cover grr...not you :) Feel free to send us one anytime. I'm out of here my own self. It's been fun. Thanks for coming! Cya Card! Thanks, Scott! you can pick your nose, and your friends, but not your family awww...oh well, thanx for coming, great talking with you GL with that career thing > well lets plug my site at...www.angelfire.com/nh/kc for orson scott card Thank you Scott Card: who are some of yur favorite sci fi authors? besides yourself that is :) > Thnx Scott GL whit yer work > whoa ebonics Thanks Scott Night, thanks. LOL uh guys??? he left already Bye all later bye legend > night Mooning all the people left in the room. > legend See ya'll next time! i wonder if buffy the vampire slayer is on tonight.....i heard it was cancelled good night bold world, that has such people in it anybody here like Harlan Ellison's work? the new episode is being delayed i do doh......NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > well I think its time for me to hit the raod night all... it had to do with the entire class body arming themselves with guns for armageddon, they figured it would be bad taste any1 know how to save the scroll?_ night puck *slaps you with my hockey stick* > lol hey puck you laughing at me ? > night nite puck v someone say lol Well I'm gonna go now, bye all y'all bye me to gl rocky thatnx > man this thing is taking forever to cut and psste back at ya welcome back Rocky-dog home