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hopefully this site will contain a range of topics including "social balkanization" and the relationship of dinosaurs and modern reptiles"

archie, aferd27, mehetabel and dooey here.

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"TOWER OF BABEL" EFFECT?

OR "SOCIAL BALKANIZATION" EFFECT?

archie:
   one of the things i would like to show on  
here is the diversification of cultures leading 
to a gradual breaking down of communication. in 
other words a "Tower of Babel" like effect where 
one part of a large group finds it more and more 
difficult to talk to another as subcultures 
diverge.  One can sort of see this happening in 
American subcultures where the metal music 
people, the rap people, the country and western 
music people, propeller heads, etc. while not 
completely separate, are in some ways getting 
further apart and more specialized.   

Mehetabel:
   Subcultures tend to get their own special 
words  and jargon such as as "flame", "do",and 
"scoop", some of which become more or less
mainstream. Anyhow, this diversity seems to be 
spreading, and in some cases of opposites is
polarizing.

Aferd:  
     Another couple of striking examples come 
from a look at the polls of issues along
racial lines.  The majority of African-
Americans believe that O.J. Simpson is 
innocent whereas the reverse is true in the 
caucasian community. The majority of African-
Americans also believe the reports accusing 
President Clinton of various wrongdoings
are a right wing plot.  Whereas this is not
as true in the caucasian community.  Perhaps 
these differences are due to insufficient
data on divisive issues, but if they are 
thought out responses to the same set of 
data, this difference troubles me.  While 
it seems that all the responses are 
defendable, the separation along racial 
lines is troubling.  This even though 
the media accounts are sometimes hard to
sort out, partly because of politcal 
bias.  It seems that the political chasms 
between various factions of liberals and 
conservatives are growing deeper and wider, 
to the point where perceptions of reality 
are diverging to a very high level.
 
Doo: 
   Anyhow here's a quote from the 
"Technolizard Weakly" illustrating the 
differences between two "close" groups, who
are very different. 




Comment on slackerdom and Beta Males:
Quote from an article of Richard von Busack 
on Beta Males being the topic for 
underground comics:



"...salutes slackerdom..."

"When I was a kid, I found out that Robert 
Williams, the underground cartoonist, was 
living on the same North Hollywood street 
as my best friend.  How I longed for the 
guts to call on him.  Later, I read an 
interview with this peerless limner of 
zombie clowns, diseased poodles and devil 
girls, and I learned that he was a hot-
rodder, the kind of guy who carries a pack
of Luckies rolled up in the T-shirt sleeve 
of one brawny arm. Williams said that he 
imagined his readers as being handsome 
physical specimens - "centaurs" is the word 
I think he used - then he went to a comic-
book convention and got a load of his 
beta-male fan base."

Richard von Busack in an article in the 
June 4-10, 1998 Metro, the "Silicon Valley
Weekly" in San Jose, Cal.

Of course I question whether or not the 
term "Beta" really refers to slackers and 
losers as opposed to regular guys, but the 
article really drives home the concept of 
the often wide cultural differences between 
fans and some entertainers."
    

Doo: Another sign of polarization may be President Clinton's rise in popularity when he gets slammed for morality issues. While this is attributed to a backlash effect by people people in the middle who are offended by the attacks, it could also be a sign of political polarization, where some of Clinton's followers are so polarized that an "us against them" attitude overides issues to a large extent. Also it could be a sign of a somewhat silent morally liberal group or also an anti-holier-than-thou stance group. archie: also I don't know whether or not a huge monolithic culture should be a desired goal, though I am sure that a lot of people would think it desirable. Mehetabel: Hmm. The people who tried to build the tower at Babel were unable to complete their task when, according to the Bible, they started speaking different languages. Aferd: For more information on divisions due to language differences see the ideograph- pyramid connection section in the coming guest column 3. GUEST COLUMN

today's guest column is written by those two dynamic critters
Queeks and Boobs who are using their powerful three cylinder 
minds to investigate the nature of Dinnosores.

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Dinnosores? You must be mistaken, Queeks!
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I'll do the thinnin around here, Boobs.  You see, serpents = reptiles? =
dinnosores?!!
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Oh, Queeks!  Dinosaurs... Too much learning has made you mad.
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Mebbe so, faithful companion.  Anyhoo, consider the main differences 
tween the modern reptiles and the dinnosores:
  
1. size and mass: 

2. side profiles:  (low slungness of the moderns)
 
3.  cross section profiles (thinness of most of the moderns).  Which makes 
sense as most snakes and lizards would not be as efficient moving if they
were shaped like, say, a brontosaur with its legs cut off.
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Oh, I see.  Almost as if the dinosaurs had been cursed to crawl on their
bellies, and were shrunk to boot.  
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Or forced to hippity hop under a death ray limbo bar a foot and a half
from the ground.  Hmm, it seems I lost my turtles. 
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Queeks, they may just have been misplaced.  Some people believe that 
they should be classified as diapsids (modern reptiles)(Scientific 
American March l997 page 24).  Their low-slungness might have suggested 
it, tho their cross section profile is a bit ambiguous.  Their bodies are
a lot thicker relative to their heads than most modern reptiles.  Anyhow, 
their skull and ankle structures apparently suggest that they are 
modern reptiles. 
      
 

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