Stew: Well naw mean it's ..never mind...(laughing) Now I have some
idea of where to begin...not much...but some... Tim McAndrews...where's
he?
Tim: Right here
Stew: Tim ..you were the last one there huh?
Tim: Ah..yeah I believe so
Stew : You left when?
Tim : 8:00
Stew: Long time ago..8:00...last night...long time...that's a long
time...12:00....the Spirit of Christ revealed a lot of the meaning of John
the Baptist to me....I've only been looking for that for 15 years.... 5
or 6 this morning up to 75% of it now....but I'm sure it's not God's will
that I get into such trivial matters now...We've got much more important
stuff...that is ..that is trivy..trivy.. now it was only a week ago that
we were here? (Yes)...that also seems like a long time...a great deal has
happened...I've tried to prepare you for a state of shock....I hope you're
prepared...(little laughing.."yes" then clamor) You older ones are gonna
need it...younger ones?...what do you say about the younger ones?...Now
I wonder how much you have heard....
It is only the Spirit of Christ that could reveal the spirit of the New Testament....The spirit of prophecy is the spirit of Jesus...vice versa remember...the spirit of the New Testament ....isn't that what we need ?(yes) what do you think we need..what da...we have..we have heard about grace...and ahh...we understand something about grace..but now what?... One way of putting it is that we're caught...you're still in prison....You are anyway...eh..still in prison...ah..caught between 3 things in a way...one is the realization of grace...is the basis...No. 2 is ah..that ah..the New Testament, all the rest of the New Testament is more and more of a mystery every time you read it..great frustration over that..third thing..is that there is this structure build up..this so-called teaching of ah..that is so ah, everyone has it, so ahh..firmly that ahh..you don't know how, you don't know what to throw out or what to keep...because you have to know, know the spirit of Jesus Christ and of the New Testament..in order to be able to judge...and yet you know that grace some how must be the basis but we can't move...one of the many binds in which we've been... there all breaking up...so you understand that ah what we need is an overview of the whole New Testament, a workable....clear...very simple..I don't know how much of this you've heard..but the buck stops here...with ahh..no figure talk at all...just straight plain the mind of the apostles...emah which is the mind of Jesus Christ....
Where were they coming from with these things which you now look at....the little bit of truth...and they've all seem to contradict each other...seems to be no hope...for everything to make perfect sense..but ah...what is it ,ah my claim about today ah....you'll understand, clearly the basis...of the New Testament and you'll know..., that's a very important word..so is mind...you will know the truth...the truth will make you free, just as He said, just as He said..all the way...and but you won't know everything....my word....you'll understand the basis...things such as "What does it mean to be born anew?"...that's a small thing...clearly understand that....you won't understand every verse of the New Testament instantly...but eh..I can't do that..neither can you, but a great many...and there'll be no more conflict....this is what Jesus Christ is doing for us now(quiet mumbling "thank you Jesus")
The Mind of the Apostles, not everything worked out ,not every last comment they made..explained.obviously that..didn't I say ah...the mind, a hundred bibles ,yeah the mind opens up a hundred bi... this must open up ten-thousand..the whole thing...and..I can't even ehh...make a list of what it will open up...
Now here's the thing...Here's the problem....for you...today....at first.....Now you know that this can't go on...whatever it's been, a rollercoaster...it's got to stop somewhere...and ehh...the buck has to stop, you've heard that..well it does...and something has to give...some impossible thing has to give..now you've gone through it , so have I...how many times? Nothing can possibly make sense no way no how....if you consider everything...if you consider outside the New Testament...consider our history and our situation and all christians, throw that in..eh..it's way beyond us..indeed it has been...but something has to give...what.eeh..in a sentence what it is is a we must ..the truth of the New Testament is radically different than we have supposed. That's a scary statement..but it is absolutely true...and you will understand why and how..... Is it possible that ehh..huh that the spirit of the New Testament , understanding of it, we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, possible the understanding of it has never fully appeared..that's possible...I don't know....This is an even far more interesting thing to look into than the , the living word...far more....(ST tapping a file card here) The real view...that clearly was in the apostle's mind...all of them , from end to end...which appears clearly...simply..clear...is radical.... You must get ready for a shock......it is clear, it is simple, it is everywhere and it is radical.... and...I already testify that it works....for whatever thats worth.....It is true that there in , throughout history......there have been many faithful christians...all christians see dimly.... and ahh....some dimmer than others....and I'm speaking of real christians... There have been blind christians...throughout history...who have been very faithful to Jesus....quite blind, not totally but quite blind...who have been very faithful to Jesus....I'm trying to say it right, there's 3 of them...there's blind christians, almost blind Christians very faithful to Jesus, quote accidentally.....wasn't accidental of course....Spirit of Christ led them....small amount of understanding..whats the difference.....Last time i spoke of the Church of Bible Understanding..i was ..was amazing ah...welcome to nothing, but ah...perhaps that is indeed part of God's plan, church of bible Understanding, which is incredible..anyway...there's 3 of them , the blind christians...fairly blind, different blindness, different amounts...throughout history....that have been faithful....and ...there have been...remember....there have been blind ...maybe we should scratch the whole thing, blind ones that have not been faithful....blind will lead the blind , both will fall into a pit....maybe I ought to scratch it...but ah...you must start considering...ah how much..ahh how many christians have their been ah..that know the truth about the NewTestament and are faithful to it....that apparently is rare....really rare.... but we ah won't get into that.. you should prepare for a shock
Is it true a while ago I was talking sin is the fundamental issue in all human life ("yes"..agreement "Religion and the world has some form of it") Couldn't you argue that it's the fundamental issue in all human life , something like that and we ought to ah remember this in our approach here. Sin you know of course that sin entered in very early, almost immediately this Wednesday night I'd just flat say "don't asked me I don't know what born again means, I have no idea what it means, Wednesday night... Thursday noon it was clear, learned a great deal more, a great deal more there was no bright light but it was the same sort of thing just instantly, the whole thing and no matter what I'd look at it made perfect sense, but it's ahh hard to swallow , in fact , it's clear to me from now on , a great many things are clear, from now on, there will be a great division among the people as it is necessary that there should be. We have come to the parting of the ways. Hopefully it's going to be a 100% of all of us on the side of Jesus Christ and none on me side because that's what the division is
We are catch between what we know must be the true basis, which is grace...an unfathomable habit of truth and error. Who can divide the truth and error? I can and what appears to be the new mystery of the New Testament..does that ring a bell? No?(mumble yes) YES? Half way..(yeah half) You people trapped?(YEESS) What are you trapped between?(trying to figure out what's going on)(a mix of truth and error) One thing you know , Grace must be the basis(yeees)you are , you are in this habit, this collection of truth and error, you don't know which is which, and now you read the New Testament and it's one eh new mystery, every verse is a mystery upon the last. At least before you thought you knew something(yeah)..now you know you don't...isn't that clear to you?(yeees) That is the present state. We're free of works as the basis, praise God for that(mumbling "thank you Jesus") But now what? Now heeding the New Testament, there it is , now what?Stewart goes around saying "I don't know, don't ask me" so now what? I tried to impress last week, God is making it very clear, this time around it isn't me doing it at all. So that we can know where we stand with Jesus. Wonder if God realizes the trouble He's caused?(laughing) Why didn't he just tack one more little chapter at the end of the Bible?, alright nobody is suppose to add, alright but why didn't he tack one more chapter? Paul said "I trust that you will take no view other than mine" Why didn't He , just one page?, spell it out in plain, "Ahh now you are speaking plainly, one page is all it would have taken, One page is all it would have taken, by the way,
I was telling Gayle last night, all..eh women...a little child shall lead them, better be that, better be such that a little child, whatever it is, a little child will tell us, for of such is the kingdom of Heaven. Mind of the apostles, better also be the mind of a child. Which of course makes it more impossible, it's already impossible. But it must be that. But why didn't he tack one more page, just one page? Why did He leave us this way? At the mercy of grievious wolves, of which I am not. One thing I am not. Period and never was; was a grevious wolf. Why did He leave us at the mercy of either grevious wolves or Stewart? Apparently that's the choice. One page is all it would have taken. This is the way you look at it. Make sure you look at it this way, ands everything will work out. Do you realize , all we have to do...I was saying a month ago...The most troubling verse in the Bible ...all you have to do is go to that one and explain it and everything else falls into place. Everything else is clear. It's that one trouble maker. Well actually it's a few "No one who abides in Him sins,""No one who knows Him can possibly sin,"ecetera, there are 4 or 5 different ways, back and forth, you know what I mean?(mumble yess) Is it possible to explain that? And make sense out of the entire New Testament? Sure it is but something has to give...first it's your brain. But fortunately , lately, there's been so much now you are numb enough(laughing) that it can be partly slipped in before you know what happened....Isn't God merciful?(YEESSS...thank you Jesus)..So where does the buck stop? Well it has to be on your level, a child's level....it also has to be something that you have power over and know all about Because werrr...what's the buck? Well the buck is something like this, one buck anyway...How do you know you're born anew? Because I have the Spirit of God. How do you know you have the Spirit of God? Because I believe. How do you know you believe? Because I have the Spirit of God, because I got born anew. How do you know you got born anew? Because I did the verse in the Bible.How do you know you did it? And you never stop...No?(yeesss..right) or do you? you can stop at "Look , get away from me(laughing)..GET AWAY...(laughing"I have faith") I have faith... you also have sick feelings(mumbling yeah) Yeah , Thursday morning I got up in quiet dispair as usual... Today's plan was gonna be I'm gonna finally start studying the Greek, even thinking how in the world is this suppose to be a child, half to study this passage in Greek, because of , because of what it means and eehh...what a draag(laughing) but ..let's go let's do it so..that's what i thought.
Now the buck stops , so where does the buck stop in all this, how do you know, if indeed you have the Spirit of Christ. The more he says that the more you wonder. How do you pinn anything, really pin it. Well it's got to be something that you know all about, and further more have power over. so that, so that you indeed have the testimony in yourselves. Not the wild , arrogant talk. "I KNOW I HAVE THE SPIRIT OF GOD! Leave me alone" not the arrogant stuff...so that you actually have the testimony within yourself. And know that you do according to the understanding of the New Testament. The buck has to stop in you. In your human nature. In your human nature, because that's all you know. the buck has to stop there. OR go join an arrogant club. Take your pick or sit in limbo forever. Wel you're not gonna sit in limbo, That is over, there's no way, the limbo that we've had will ever exist again. Ever, any way, not a trace of it. you know what I mean and that's part of the sick feeling. And all the thoughts of the accuser. Good grief! One of my worst, has always been...da ya wanna hear it?(YEAAAAH) The Theory of Stewart, by the way we'll go into the theory of Stewart, because the theory of Stewart must be totally explained to then...totally... I don't understand my history, this is impossible , well it better not be then...aahh one of my worst was always that ehh somehow I'm John the Baptist, don't laugh, ehh, and the problem being that he is less than the least in the kindgom of Heaven, and translated he's out. Less than the least is what?( out..not included) Out...I don't mind the least....but out...Well , I don't have to worry about that one anymore, thank you Jesus(Thank you Jesus) Not only that ..I know what the truth is...I'm over the shock... and I know it works, but, you're gonna have a hard time for a little while.
the buck stops. It has to be something where you say "I pushed the button, I said the prayer." Can't be I said the prayer. but it has to be that level. Has to be in that order. So that there cannot be any doubt. That is the way it is. obviously, it's got to explain the figures. but can't depend on them. It's the other way around. It's the other way around. Revelations of the truth reveals the figures. or at least that's ....
Now 1 John is full of, and another key points too,is full of "We know" "we know"..well sure he's magic. no , not at all. The Spirit of Jesus Christ has revealed, that's the incredible thing, that Jesus would treat me as a friend, is unbelieveable to me. you have no idea how unbelieveable yet. He is treating me as a friend, which is unbelieveable. He has revealed, this is a fact, The spirit of the New Testament, thus the mind of the apostles. AND I CAN PROVE IT TO YOUR MINDS. And again I repeat, "Mind" is very important. I serve with my spirit and I serve with my mind. He said both in 2 different places. Spoke of prayer in the same way too. Mind is far more important than I ever thought. But that's a small, that's a later issue.
What is God doing? Well alright..I suppose He realized the trouble He caused....by not tacking one page further. So what is He doing? what has He always done? He has always, instead of doing that, He has always picked this person or that person, to make this or that clear. for instance, Martin Luther. not only Martin Luther ...ahh he's a figure of ahhh how it became clear again, Grace was lost for well over a thousand years...that the grace must be the basis, through faith..had disappeared for over a thousand years, practically...anyone who talked in that way was put to death immediately, for a THOUSAND YEARS....did you hear that?(YEEEEEESSS) Why did God do that? don't ask me. But He did it.All history, western history, all western history aah....centers around or iiisss that fact. Almost is that fact. that faith and grace were variant, for over a thounsand years huhuhuh{ST laughing}. He's up all night fantisizing about what Stewart is doing and sleeps all day.... Yess Yes yes. anyway...Whats my point now? That why didn't God write a page...all it would have taken, one page.... That simple. look at the trouble it would have saved. When that starts to dawn upon you , just that one small factor alone..it'll blow you away , that's all it'll take. Instead, He decides to make it clear here and there through persons. That's how He has always worked. Sure there's been alot of phoney ones. don't forget there's also the real ones.
Yes, friends, we have come to the parting of the ways and I do mean WAYS, Remember that! We will hear of one awful thing, horrible , ludicrous. And we will hear really good news...Bob..you'll hear really good news. But we will understand and never be the same again. this situation will never exist again. This situation will never exist again. I can't over do that. Unless I've lost my mind. They sent me a letter..."Stewart we're praying for you, you must be under incredible pressure" from the eehh...who wrote that?(mumbling..about 6 of us) who wrote that? Where's Blake ? Whyd'ya do it?The Real reason
BLAKE: ahma eh I was praying for ya and I eha ah I wasn't there at
the Wednesday meeting..but a bit drageed out by the brothers saying that
you were under, you were troubled about like you were speaking of it likeat
the brothers..
STEWART:(in a above it all "that's nothing tone) normal quiet
dispair, no trouble..but you were too late, I mean this thing ahh, this
thing they handed me at about 2:00 and it..it's too late(laughing)you were
wasting your time(laughing)..Now you gotta time these things better..(laughing)
ya know..immediately or forget it
BLAKE: We had been praying for ya
STEWART: Well, well thank you Jesus for that....Yeah we will understand, and this will never exist again. It can't. That is incredible, this ahh...this ahh.. living word...the most amazing thing that ever happened to me , but that is nothing compared to this, nothing. That's literally a small part , physically and have you thought that something like this can't go on forever like this(yess yeah)... What is God up to? Guarenteed it isn't me , I quit long time ago, I told ya, over and over and over didn't I?(Yup yeah) So forget it I walked away. Not abandoning you , but ahh, now ehh...you'll understand something has to give. how many of you have thought of the scripture lately "Hope deferred makes the heart sick."
PAUL: Last night...brother ..brother said it to me
Stewart : Nobody knows what's going on..whose minding the store?(mumbling...Jesus?) Guarenteed, it's not me. Guarenteed not me. So in understanding we're all back where we started. We are all back where we started. Where we were. constant battered by everything, some of you wondering how long this can go on...They heard a voice in hebrew so awful that they entreated, that that "No more, that's enough don't say anymore." So aahh... I've become ehh, like che but very motivated. At least you are numb enough that I can go to the worst right away..that's what i plan to do...
How bout the bad news first(YEEESSS) the bad .well let's see, bad isn't really the word..ludicrous and ridiculous and and ahh, yeah i gues it's pretty bad, well not really, not really , it's just ahh...cannot handle it....at first... but you will. the New Testament and our history and the whole present christian world relationship. What is the explaination of all this , all the christians? how does that make sense? it does. the New Testament and our history and the present christian world relationship, which is the one that matters in our case. Any ..David served the council of god in his generation...any any ahh..Thing that God does at any time with any person as with regard to that situation, it's none of your business , the rest... so the present..situation, which ahh..you understand something about. It would make more sense to a small child than mto a theologian. That actually is true. And don't hold your breath to hear it on family radio ..which opens up quite a subject in itself...One thing is certain....It seems as though God is starting our church all over again, if not far far beyond that. Now what ah could this be all about,what could this be all about? It's time for us to open our bibles. First John(pages turning)
The beautiful trouble maker. YOU HEARD IT RIGHT HERE FOLKS!!...{you heard it right here..folks{whispering} my mym ym my...Run around the house all the time, "Incredible, Ridiculous, Impossible." right ? all the time all day..3 days...Imposs, Ridiculous, Nooo Way(laughing)Amazing, Can't be, Absolutely is. Ridicualous, can't be. Gayle has no idea what I'm talking about(laughing). what do you all think about Gayle?(loyal to Jesus, trusting sister, great example)Although.....well ya know..a little child shall lead them, why ahh ,{talking to Gayle} you don't need all that. sure you don't need all that...aahh it's around somewhere.
So we all have 1st John ay?(yyes) what will we look at in 1st John? We'll look at the trouble makers...Ahh Where are they Gayle? the main one chapter 3 ehh eheh the end of chapter 2, that's where the trouble starts, well it starts before that even, but let us look at , let us look at 2:29 , you all ready?(yess). Let's read it.
If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who does right is born of Him.
Well Alright... alright, let's read it again
If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who does right is born of Him.
alright, if you know that he's righteous,, oh i think I do, i guess that's what that means....You may be sure that everyone who does right is born of Him. alright, the good guys are born of God. I mean that's not contradictory of anything ahh normal..right? alright now chapter 3... "See what Love the Father has given us, and so we are. everyone believes Jesus is the Christ is a child of God." "We are God's Children now, " and then 4 then he throws it all away from then on. Let's read chapter 3 verses 4-10. you ready? (yesss)let's read
Everyone who commits sin is guilty of lawlessness, sin is lawlessness. you know that He appeared to take away sins and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins, no one who sins has either seen Him or Known Him. Little Children, let no one decieve you, he who does right is righteous as He is righteous. He who commits sin is of the devil. for the devil has sinned from the beginning. the reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one bron of God commits sin, for God's nature abides in Him. And he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
He cannot sin because he is born of God.
By this it may be seen, who are the children of God and who are the children of the devil. Whoever does not do right , is not of God, nor he who does not love his brother.
well now, it is impossible, can you say how that is not a direct contradiction to what he just said?
THIS IS TAPE 1 SIDE 1 (45 MINUTES)
How close do you think you're coming, any kind of theories? to make some kind of sense, because the second passage is trying to say you're not children of God, if you ever sinned, and yet the whole book opened up with "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us, started with that. Then went to we are God's children, then went to we ain't. Apparently it has to be in the Greek. there are three areas., Best I can do, and it is , the best i can do, I repeat , the best I can do, is that there are 3 areas. where possibly there's some theory that can be constructed. the problem, the problem, may lie in the term "WE" or " No one born of God" Well who is this "one." Is it Stewart? Or is it a not born of the flesh , nor of the will of man, but of God? A spiritual being. That's the "No one" or the "one " that's the problem. Now...who'se he talking about? How do we know?"No one born of God...Stewart? or some new creation? First Mystery right there. Second mystery. Sin. Thought I knew what Sin means. You do notice that nowhere in any of 1st John and no where in the bible does it say "If anyone commits A sin, he is of the devil." That construction does not appear., that construction, that's all. Perhaps, perhaps, sin somehow there's something in..." A sin " maybe be here or there, then you get into "commits." Maybe it just somehow means...'He's not really into it, He's not living in it, It's not a constant thing. or make sure it is. But in that area maybe you could do something. Or in the area of the word sin, or in the area of "who are we talking about." Who is this "one" ? For instance , for instance, You're all thinking, you have a theory? What..what's the theory that would come to mind? Do you have one? that ahh seems to make sense? I wanna hear the one of you that testifies that you never never sin.(sighing in disbelief) Never Never or Itsy, bitsy, itsy bitsy or a lot..apparently and this construction makes no difference. cuz I can't find a construction "commits A sin" anywhere. Well there's "overtaken in a trespass" still that's , that's not the very same thing. "commits A sin"{Gayle muttering something to ST} Well ..no it is not!.."Committing sin." I can easily see a barn door to work with between "commits sin" and "commits A sin" Now whether you can or can't...I can...That's a barn door! But is it the right one? How do I know? I can put words together too as well as all these people. God gave me more burden or enough brains, which ever it is , of common sense and honesty to never do that...and I haven't , by the grace of God.
So we're here today in our mess. They're there in their mess! So on we go. Now ahh does anything appear to you? Anyone of those 3 and that's what it will be, one of those 3 areas. that you can put together. Some sort of anything, never mind reality, never mind ahh anything, just can ya, any wording to put together to actually face each issue here and all the rest of the bible. how can you put it together. Honestly and make sense of it. And let me tell ya the secret, there is indeed the way. But, what do you have, do you have any theories? Let's hear it{st pounds table} Real quick..got anything worked out?{pounding table} you try...Anybody home?( YEEESS) You try to work out a theory. Nobody tried? Nobody ever read it? Nobody ever tried to work out a theory? Charles Ramierez never did. Charles Ramierez never tried. Charles Ramierez doesn't have a brain.(laughing)Charles Ramierez did try. He's just quiet. He didn't try.
CHARLES: I read a verse
STEW: AHA(laughing)
CHARLES: it's in a
STEW: I try not to use my brain, right? Let's Hear it!
CHARLES: It's in Romans 5 and it says ah
STEW: hmmm...we're ready. I hope the rest of you are ready..how's
Annette?
Brother: Still playing her wild games
STEW: Alright .Alright{fake laugher} Hah Hah Hah Stick around!(laughing)
Go ahead...
CHARLES: It says ah 5:13 " sin indeed was in the world Before the
law was given, but sin was not counted where there is no law.
STEW: ok
CHARLES: the last part
STEW: Fortunately , I don't know all the favorite theories of all
your favorite local christians. I know they have 'em. And I never studied
them. I know they're out there. Now what about that verse. What are you
gonna do with it? What's yer idea{tapping table}
CHARLES: I just thought when Jesus came, there was grace as opposed
to works of the law.
STEW: Yes?
CHARLES: And somehow since there is no law, somehow that does something
to sin(laughing) I don't know what(laughing)
STEW: Okay but remember last week, already last week, it was Chrystal
clear. The lord was pleased for His righteousness sake to magnify His
law,
and from now on He talks about His law . Yes... Jesus has His law,
that we obey. So it's that, it's that ahh, It's changed. We obey Jesus.
We don't obey the old law. We're not under that. Obey Jesus and His law.So
how does that really change anything? And if we ever break His law, we're
sinners. His law is quite different of course, still , His commandment.
The law of Liberty..ecetera...So there's not much hope there. Who else
has ahh somewhere to go? Who else has somewhere to go? Come Come!, Gayle
has 5 written out.
Brother: how bout John 1:13?
STEW: All laughable , of course
Brother: How bout John1:13?
STEW: John 1:13 what about it?
Brother: We're not born of the will of the flesh, nor of the...
STEW: By the way, did you ever do that, Gayle? ...What about just
flat out say " This means the new being? doesn't mean Stewart. Flesh and
blood cannot inherit the kingdom of Heaven. Now why don't we just settle
on that?It means the new creation.(clamor..."That's what I thought it meant")
Uh Oh! What is the new creation?Well it means the new child of God. Not
born of blood , nor of the will of man, nor of the will of the flesh ,
but of God.And He never sins. It is no longer I that do it. It's not counted
anymore. Now what's wrong with that? Besides it looks like cheating. you
know it looks too easy. What's wrong with it? Anything? maybe nothing...
Brother: verse 9 says " for God's nature abides in him.
STEW: That's right..what about it? God's nature does abide in that
child. That child of God.
CHUCK: That's what God looks at, looks at the new...
STEW: Now don't laugh , people{pounding table} Gayle didn't even
write that one out. That is so obvious. But if we go that route we will
find a problem. What is the problem?It leads to the Nicolatians. Seems
to directly lead to the Nicolatians. But something even more meaty. What?
Well you may not notice, but if that is the case, if that were the case,
this entire passage, you might as well rip it out, it's saying absolutely
nothing. Well no kidding. God is God, no kidding. No kidding. God's child
cannot sin because he's perfect. Because he's not .....well , of course...so
what's he saying? what's the point of it? there is no point if you follow
it through. Besides, Stewart said that it ain't it.
GAYLE: I remember looking up a while ago, all the children of God verses and there's no ...nothing about this perfect child, I mean, this images...I always had this perfect little child in us. the children verses in the New Testament aren't that way.
STEW: You people have always had these funny ideas..haven't ya?(yyeesss)Who have you been listening to? huh? You should have been more careful. Alright nuff said..right Gayle?
GAYLE: I remember , remember that chart...
STEW: that's an idiot statement, of course, but ..go ahead..
GAYLE: with the sheep on the one side and the child on the rest
and when I was making that up, I remember going through all the child verses,
the children get punished, chastized, disciplined...eh...alot of it ..children
verses in the New Testament...there isn't this ...here is this perfect
little child in you...there's nothing like that in the whole New Testament...1st
John is the closest..even so it doesn't say that. And all the rest of the
letters don't sound that at all ..huh ha...The children share in flesh
and blood.
STEW: Now are you aware that the language "Whoever sins" and 'Whoever commits sin" cover the whole ball of wax? they really cover everything. Maybe you don't realize how that does cover everything except possibly if there was something about "commits A sin" but there isn't. So what do we do now? Let's come up with ideas , people. Do we have any? of course we're ashamed of our ideas aren't we?(yeaah) And we don't want Stewart to laugh at us..heh..heh..heeh..
DALE: Well one idea I had was that ahh, I thought of how, we are
the new creation, and how God trains us and that this passage here is talking
about more, how because we do have God's nature in us. We don't want to
continue in sin.
STEW: Whao whao whao..don't want to or don't?
brother: don't
STEW: Fudge , fudge, fudge , fudge....
DALE: Eventually we don't(clamor..laughing)
STEW: Eventually? Alright eventually ...Here we go...go ahead...now
DALE: Its a training..it's a pruning, and a training, God ...just
like a little child growing up, he's pruned under discipline
after a while he stops doing it.
STEW: PAAAA-REEEEECH IT! try a little "I got the spirit" Annette
does enough of that why don't you learn it. Preach it!
DALE: That was my idea that ahh(Laughing)
STEW: Maybe the apostles are just nuts. maybe that's it. We ahh
don't want to try that one right?(no..no way)What are the other ones? What
were the desperate ones?{Talking to Gayle} Remember? We had 3 or 4 in a
separate catagory called "Desparation."
GAYLE : My , my last desperate one is that we aren't born of God until we die.
STEW: That Yeah, that's right, because the whole thingabout born of God. St. Francis was right. It is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Member that?(yeaahhh) Hey look, something's gotta go..now don't be picky
GAYLE: Because if you cannot sin because you are born of God. I cannot see any human being not sinning period, unable...
STEW: Well, there is the matter, there is the matter of scripture that "surely there is not one righteous man on earth, who does good and never sins(oohh yeah) Alright ahh how bout desperation No. 2?
GAYLE: How I wonder too , how maybe "born of God isn't us at all. It's Jesus who's bron of God{gayle giggles}
STEW: NOW! Hey! come on ...get different , people! you better get different. It is Jesus that is born in us.It's not me at all. Christ is formed within me.{hitting table} See? Thats sounds pretty good. Let's try desperation No. 3
GAYLE: One of the early ones was that"commits sin" means live in it, chooses it, practices it.
STEW; right , that's the standard one. That ahh, that while, by the way, We didn't say that. That's one of the standard "maybes" ..."commits" means " continues in it" it is a continuing sense. No one bron of God continues in sin., that keeps it up, what's wrong with that , people?(mumbling , questioning) Yeah , but they don't keep it up...you don't...It's not in your heart anymore. your heart has been washed clean...go ahead, Gayle
GAYLE: that's right
STEW: Gayle?
GAYLE: It's not in my heart, it's in my members
STEW: Wait..Uh oh!...can't say that cuz it sounds too close to old
Nicolas, that was his name, can't say that{gayle giggles} Put it some other
way.
GAYLE: Well paul said it's no longer I that do it
STEW: Hey
GAYLE: It's sin in my members
STEW: It's a fact
GAYLE : And I know the basis...
STEW: right or wrong Chuckie?
CHUCK : yeah
STEW: Which one are you going with, this or do you like the last
one too.(laughing)
CHUCK: No , I'm stuck on the old way, the first way, but ahh
STEW: Which ones?..that...Let's hear it, Chuckie{ST snapping his
fingers}
CHUCK: the one where we're born of God and we are the new creation
STEW: That's ahhh
CHUCK: and that's what God looks at
STEW: That is it! and you're with Nicolas and idiocy..okay(Laughter)
I say idiocy because the whole thing is moot. Absolutely meaningless
then. He's not saying anything. Alright , maybe that's it, look. What's
the next desperation? what was the..?
GAYLE: that continues in sin doesn't seem to make sense..what's
he ..cannot sin..
STEW: Gayle , eeh..that's maybe. Look at another translation{ ST
then in a comical high voice}..I got away with it(laughing)..What was the
next desperation? ..we had 3 or 4 of them last night. what was the next
one? Oh ..Martin Luther threw out the book of James and John is at the
tail end too, the 1st John...He was an old fella at the time...And there
have been suggestions that he was loosing it(laughing) Irrefutable authorities
have considered this and ...we all make many mistakes, ya know, in what
ya say , ya know, and he was an old fella.
PAUL: (paul joking) We all make many mistakes comes from James.
Do we have to throw it out?
STEW: No, maybe you throw out John instead. First John, anyway.
He was a younger fella there in aah 1st John, in John, gospel. you don't
like that one?(nooo) Won't fly huh?(noo) Alright. What have we left? How
bout we try some standard ones then....hey could someone put him in a box
back there...you know he's brilliant...ya know, up! the head went down,
ahh just as well, let's go..
GAYLE: I remember the Dale theory, by the way, that one crossed
my mind but then I thought of how Cephas, after something like 14 years
after Pentacost, stood condemned, so we gotta be more, ya know
STEW: was that really 14 years?
GAYLE: Well 3 years or 14 years or something. Remember in Galatians(yeah,
that's right) some time(a brother "17 years") It doesn't directly say the
time , but after 3 years Paul went there and then 14 years later , he went
thereand when Cephas came to Antioch, he stood condemned. so I, it sounds
like he must have sinned. But he must not be born again of God.
STEW: in all fairness now....it doesn't say he sinned. now ahhh...We
gotta be fair too..I mean ahh...an agent of sin is what he was indicatiing....He
didn't say he sinned right?...If I have become an agent of sin...Let's
hear it people!
Dear Reader, this is me , Mike M.: Remember this part. This small part ruins ST whole premise. Nobody brings it up again in this study. There are many other mistakes he has made before this point but this is a big one..and note that he moves on quickly. This is huge.
Brother: the only thing i can think of like
and even with ahhh Cephas, cuz when he did maybe he wasn't coming from
love when he , I think, He went, when he did, went and ate, whatever, but
if we're into loving one another we not, we're not gonna be into
sin.
STEW: (mocking) Hey that's it now, go ahead,
Here we go, well come on...
Brother: Yeah cuz..if we're not following
Jesus' commandment, we're not ehhh..... we're not going to but ...I can't
think of anything else...But(laughing)
STEW: Wait! Wait!
Brother: the next passage starts off with
loving one another
STEW: that's right
Brother: and Ahh
STEW: And what covers a multitude?...what..wh?
Sister: love(laughter)
Andrew: He who loves is born of God
Brother: what's that verse, against such there
is no law?(Galatians)
GAYLE: But if you slip once does that mean
you were never born of God?
Brother; then you weren't into being, you
weren't following Jesus commandment.
STEW: Have all of you tried to make sense
of all this?(yeah yess) How many have not? And how many have? Well that
accounts for about 3 quarters of everyone. Have not and have..okay. Where
are we then? So where are we?
Brother: We know that we don't know
Another Brother: I think of a verse in the
bible that says " God is testing man to show he is but beast, again, we
were born of a new nature. Whatever is born of God overcomes the world,and
He who is in you is greater than he who s in the world. it is our own nature,
which is beast, we have to accept it.
STEW: and therefore?(LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
SILENCE)
ANDREW: Well what I think is , the first part...
STEW: So you're one of the ones that never
tested it
ANDREW: I was reading it
STEW: WEll Goood! Sorta fresh wineskin here(laughing)
Let's have a drink.
ANDREW: It says"See what Love the Father has
given us," I'm thinking that the love that the Father has given us is Jesus
and that if we believe in Jesus, we're automatically covered and therefore
sin isn't recognized by God. So we're automatically born of God by just
believing in Jesus. And all of these um, about Jesus coming to destroy
the works of the devil...that everyone, everyone does sin is automatically
covered, and is automatically born of God
STEW: This does not apply to people who believe
in God then?(correcting himself) Believe in Jesus?
ANDREW: Yeah, if you believe in Jesus...
STEW: Then this doesn't apply to you, well
wait a minute..we gotta a new one, that, may, wait a minute...it does not
apply to those who believe. they're excused. Hey! Wait a minute! Here comes
Nicolas again. " It does not apply to me huh?" you sure of that?
ANDREW: Well , we belong to Jesus, you know,
we do want to please Him.
STEW: Yeah , that's right , we belong to Jesus,
so if I shoot somebody, i didn't really do it? Because i believe
right?(laughter)
ANDREW: No, we belong to Je.., we listen to
Jesus...
STEW: Now we are listening to Jesus...fudge
, fudge...I notice 3 different theories rolled into one, you don't need
3, you only need one, ya know, why bother? So, in other words, He
who is bron of God won't do it anyway.
ANDREW: umm , well , if he does...
STEW: {to everyone about Andrew} He's always
trying to catch up with everyone else , isn't he? If we have any more ideas...Let
us say them now. there is the little matter of the entire rest of the New
Testament that you've hardly even considered in anyway. However, Let's
just go with this. Any ideas? Let's hear it and let me know when you are
fully done.
Brother: One observation that i had was that
it says ' Beloved, we are God's children now, in verse 2, and then in verse
3 it says" Everyone who thus hopes in Him purifies himself as He is pure.
so somehow , hoping in Jesus that yer somehow...we're still God's children
now and we still sin so there ahh, because we're becoming more pure,
God is purifying us and ahh, I think it has to do with ahh somehow Because
God's nature abides in us. He removes all sin from us and that's how we
abide in Him
STEW: {ST audibly to himself} This is incredible
is all I can say...I didn't hear a word you were saying....but this is
incredible.
the mood of the meeting now got somber, quiet,
worn out. Stew slowed down in tones. there is a long silence.
STEW: Let me know when yer ready to hear the
real winner(We're ready) from the Spirit of Truth. I could go through the
other ones in 1st John but that's enough. The problem , I think, appears
as clearly as its ever going to. might as well go ahead now{tone
of resignation}Seems to be God's will to me, just go ahead and understand
the real truth about it.
now when you read this passage chapter 3 verses
4-10. the surface message, when you look at it surfacely, it seems to be
saying, that ahh...if a human being, any human being, me or you, anyone,
if he ever sins , any sin, if he commits sin, or if he sins, that
covers the whole thing. Any human beings ever sin, he is not one of God's
children, and that is proof that he is not one of God's children. the fact
that he sinned. Because God's children cannot sin, if he did. and then
he demonstrates that he is not one of God's children. Do we all agree that
this seems to be the surface truth(yeeess)And we're already for the shock?
Well the shock is that the surface message there...is true.
And it's even worse than that. If anyone ever
sins, he is not a christian at all! that sound suprising?( a weak and weighed
down "yeess")It's true. Chuckie...sorry to have to tell you this..but
it's true. And from that point the whole New Testament makes sense, so
does everything else. If you can once accept that one fact...well...alright
then don't accept it. but the more you work with it, the more you'll find
that it has to be true. how many of you really worked with that one? That
it's just at true? and in fact worse than this? How many of you have worked
with this? tried it, Gayle?
GAYLE: The closest is in that it's not me
anymore ..it's not on my heart
STEW: No fudge..buck ends..Buck stops... None
of you seriously considered it? (weighed.."No") It's absolutlely true.
Let's hear you reactions , people!
CHUCK:Sounds kinda scary
STEW: Yes it is
PAUL: (mumbling) If I'm not born again, then
what am I?
Jeff Benninger is heard near the tape recorder
saying "Doesn't seem right."
Brother: Almost sounds like works
JEFF B: Yup
Brother ; Doesn't explain myself because I
think I am a sinner
STEW: {in an impatient, irritated but calm
voice} It explains you perfectly.....Anyone ever sins..by so doing he has
proven, this certain, just as it says, you have proven that you do not
know God and that you never did know know Him. you never knew Him.you don't
know Him now, by so doing, never knew Him. Never seen Him, and aah you
don't abide in Him. Just as He said. Listen,,,won't a little child tell
you to go to Heaven, you have to be very very good.(weak.."Yeah)
{in a grave tone} Let's hear your reaction, people. Gayle?
GAYLE: Well, i think I need to understand
what sin means{{gayle giggle}} (Yeess) I know that, that when you
were saying that "let's hear the one who testifies that he never sins..that
I know, i was thinkin,...that sounds awful to say that , but I wonder if
there is something to that, but what, but I knew I couldn't handle it so
I moved on{{gayle nervous giggle}
STEW: If you don't testify" I never never
sinned", you're straight on yer way to Hell. that is true. haven't
you heard people claiming this?(weak "yess")
PAUL: A long time ago, bout 7 or 8 years ago,
I remember this woman saying ' well, I've been born of God and i never
sin.' and i say ' yeah, sure.'{{sounds like ST is opening a can of soda}}}
CHUCK: But He who says He does not sin is
a liar.
STEW: Say again
CHUCK: It says He who says he does not sin
is a liar
STEW: that's wrong...Read it again...
Brother; have not sinned
STEW: {{demanding}}} Read it again...Let's
not change it.
CHUCK: If we say we have no sin, we deceive
ourselves and the truth is not in us.
STEW: Have no sin, that's correct. Now the
plain truth is .....people , if you're listening, the very obvious truth,
very very clear. i have sin in my members. And I have sinned. But I can
and must lead a totally sinless life. Totally. Sinless. I can amd must.
or do you suppose that...Jesus , twice in John, he said to the woman
'go and do not sin again,' and He said ' see , you are well, sin no more
or else.' Was He telling them to do something impossible? Also in john
, a great many things, one of them. Just because I always pushed, and you
were stupid enough to listen. That he who commits sin...and that whole
passage in John. Just because I pushed " that means , he who is into it,
and keeps it up and is really into it and all" and you say ' oh yeah, well
sure and run away, just because yer that stupid, it's there too. He who
commits sin is of the devil. so he wasn't an old fella. there goes that
theory. Well..let's hear your reaction, people!Let me tell ya there's
only one kind, the key to understanding the whole thing. there's only one
kind of man that will never never sin. there's only one kind and that's
a dead man. does that ring a bell? (yeah yess).
PAUL: consider yourselves Dead to sin and alive
to God.
STEW: well how bout flatter...Romans 6:7 "
For he who has died is free from the la, from sin." He who has died is
free from sin. And he applies that to us. And that that must be our state.
How many times have we said "He gave power to become the impossible thing?"
how many times have you read that? Why , why do you make Jesus Christ out
to be such a lousy savior. didn't you ever hear of rising with Him NOW!
to the newness of life? Now! don't worry , it's very clear and the impossible
thing that's built into you, that's what's all wrong. Just one of the many
, many marvels. I am, i am confident that many of the brothers have been
prepared by God for some time, for this very thing. I spent 25 years. I
wasn't a christian at all. Not at all. Zero. I was nothing but a sheep.
For 25 years, nothing but a sheep. it was getting to be a drag. You must
come to understand what the new birth means. you don't understand it at
all. It's very clear and the New Testament makes sense. Everything I look
at. The apostle were assuming. It was , it was understood everywhere, christians...there's
no such thing as a christian who sins. there is no such thing. the subject
is zero in the New Testament. they invented the term "lapsed" quickly.
there is no such a thing as a "Lapsed Christian" either. There are only
2 things
This is the end of Tape 1 side 2. Up to this point you have heard 90 minutes of the 305 minutes.
STEW: just because you has 2000 years and 25 years of someone telling you" well, yer born again." Here's the description, part of the description, one who has been born of God. Let's hear your reactions, people! how's yer shock?(mumbling , subdued) you gotta remember now, I'm new to this being a christian. I'm not sure how long, I 've been a christian. But I know that I am and I can prove it.
STEW: I'm sure that many of you, I don't know,
many, some, some or many,I'm sure many of you, some, i don't know, whatever,
but yer Christians. Excuse me Stew,
could you repeat that? I'm sure that many
of you, I don't know, many, some, some or many,I'm sure many of you, some,
i don't know, whatever, but yer Christians. Thanks,
that's clear... but I never was. Is that so
impossble? Maybe you've decided that I'm not fooling. Maybe you've decided
that I really mean it. you have proceeded that far or not?( weak "yess")
you're sure?(bigger Yess, but still weak) {{ST speaking about himself
mockingly, playing the part of the average brother or sister) He's tricky
with words, he's gonna pull this out somehow. He's gonna....Is he saying
what I think he's saying?(yeaah) Chuckie.."Yeeeaaah"" Let's hear it
CHUCK : That sounds pretty far fetched
STEW: Listen, i tried to prepare you for Ludicrous
and horrifying.
CHUCK: Sounds really far , sounds really far
out, ya know , not to be a christian for 25 years, but ahh reading the
bible, ya know, helping others.
STEW: Oh, just ah, me? well this is trivial..but..
CHUCK: I mean every...myself too
STEW: Listen, yer surprised thatI was
never a christian?
CHUCK: Yeah, myself too, that's , ya know
STEW: (mocking)"Helping others" We'll get
into the theory of Stewart later. where do you start? Let's hear some ahh..Let's
hear some opinions(grinning) people!
PAUL: Ahh I started wondering,...About ten
years ago, when i first prayed to Jesus with Brothers and Sisters that
day.And I know that inside, I felt a huge change, a big change in my life
and ahh did aask God for His Holy Spirit and ah..always thought,
I'd been born again from that point and now , I'm like, ya know,
there have been alot of times over those ten years that i have rebelled
against Him. and done alot of wrong things against Him.
STEW: you , you were not born again. you have
deceived yourself. As it is written "little children, let no one deceive
you."you have deceived yourself or did some character deceive you?
PAUL: thats what i'm trying to put my things
together
STEW: Whatever , Whatever.Understand that
you were not born again. If you testify that you sinned, forget it. You
are testifying against yourself. By the words and the mind of the the apostles,
you were not. you get your wish , Bob. that's what you said, a while ago,
you said, "I hope, you said' that I(meaning ST) start over Jan 1 or something
BOB: I said in my past I sinned greatly against
Jesus.
STEW: that, well.. you say you sinned, as
i said I sinned, forget it. Right there, forget it. It was all false. at
least at the general sense. May not be deciet , conscious deceit, but it
was all false. it was all wrong. that's what it's saying, that's what I'm
testifying is true. so everyone is trying to figure it out?(weak "Yees)
Sister: I was wondering how does God impart
His gifts to individuals. the gifts of the Holy Spirit like tongues or
prophecy.
STEW:He does it by means of kindness to the
ungrateful. He does whatever he pleases. Doesn't He have the right to do
whatever He wants?(yeah" from one brother)So when you ask your general
question "How does He impart gifts" ...however He feels like it.didn't
he directly say that about gifts? Don't I have the right to give whatever
i want? what's yer complaint?
Sister; well just that...
STEW: I'm not saying yer complaining, that's
what HE said. Yer question ...seee aahh...Yer really asking something
else. what is it yer asking?
Sister; Well ahh
STEW: How does He impart gifts? however He
feels like it.
Sister: If we weren't christians, like if
we weren't christians, I, there's evidence of the Spirit being made manifest(
a brother 'yeah')
STEW: Says who?
Sister; says..xxxxxxxxxx(sister says something
here)
STEW: prove it
Sister: Ican't prove it, i know...
STEW: NEXT!
Anyone else wanna come up with I just know I had this feeling? What scripture tells you about " I know I had this feeeling.?"(weak, 'none") You got had! huh?(mumbling) let's hear it. you will understandit clearly. Something that will help you a great deal. you consider the scripture. and other ones like that " we are being changed from one degree of glory to another. and you gotta consider the generalities., First cuz I don't have it perfectly worked out. it is generally clear. you gotta consider general things. the process, the sheep, disciple, abide, saints, friend, friend of Jesus. And understand that his elect began their physcial life as sheep., very clear. And at some point in their physical lives and at some period., it became manifest, that they became one of Jesus' disciples. It's in that area. Sheep are not christians. it was at antioch that the disciples were first called Christians. and indeed St. Francis' prayer is true.
John 12;24 is the picture of the new birth.
As all of Romans shows. Servant , by the way, disciple. If anyone follows
me, following Jesus, and serving Him is the beginning of Christian life.
Praise God, that's much , much ahh, much better for ahh all of us. Perhaps,
you don't understand, you haven't proceeded. that is ahh wonderful, There
is no such thing as a christian life until you are good and nailed on the
cross and are dead. No such thing.
John 12;24 is the picture of the new birth. As all of Romans shows.
Servant , by the way, disciple. If anyone follows
me, following Jesus, and serving Him is the beginning of Christian
life. Praise God, that's much , much ahh, much
better for ahh all of us. Perhaps, you don't understand, you haven't
proceeded. that is ahh wonderful, There is no
such thing as a christian life until you are good and nailed on
the cross and dead. No such thing. Provided that you
suffer with Him that you may also be glorified with Him also. Until
the picture of John 12:24 is fulfilled you , know
and understand that you are not a Christian, le let alone Born anew.
Not even a Christian, at all! And you will
understand clearly that this is everywhere in the New Testament.
You will understand it clearly. Understand what
I'm saying?(yeah yes..weakly). You are going to see this clearly,
everywhere. Dead men don't sin. And you know
sure enough there's a great deal in Romans about us being dead.
that you do know(yeah)..Maybe there's something
to this. Amazing how 25 years..I groped and other things too.Alot
of these things..."are you surrendered?" And the
infinite gains over surrendering, there over. You are or you ain't!
You're in or you're out! And it will be very clear.
And there is no way for anyone to play games. "I think I am", "I
feel I am". It doesn't exist down the line. you
haven't followed it through yet. The New Testament just sounds different
than our outfit, as I have properly called
it, "our outfit."
Another strange fact, you will , you will come to clearly see everywhere,
that aah... How many of you testify that
you are not surrendered to Jesus right now? Who's that? ahh eh Who?
Who there? that um..whose that arm? Okay
Charles and who? Yolanda?ahh anyhow Charles and Yolanda, you absolutely
are my brother and sister. You are not
a christian, you absolutely are my brother and christian eehh brother
and sister.But you're not a christian. If it's
true what you testified. You must understand that the early church,
once again, sounds ludicrous, but was full of
Christians and Non-christians. Many of the Non-Christians were were
spoken of very hopefully. But let's not fudge
the fact. That they still weren't christians. You follow the picture
I'm saying right now?(yes..weak). I mean , do you
follow what I'm saying?(yes, yeah no). You will see this. Some of
the characters that he called brothers, well there
brothers, they are. but they're not Christians. But he talked hopefully,
but in some cases hopelessly about them,
apparently. Isn't true that every sheep, when you see a human walk
by, you don't know, ...is this one of the elect?
you don't know. It really is unfamiliar isn't it?(yeah). Feels really
strange(yes)Yeah that's true. ahh I suppose to
you. What is that..I can instantly, totally...it's true, I
can and do...You have a hard time changing huh? Changing
your mind, changing your views. Habits are important to you. They
are meaningless to me. You're too old huh? You
get habits. Truth is everything to you. If you can prove something
to me , that's it. You don't love that? There's
nothing to fear. you fear...that is ridiculous. there's nothing
to fear. But I'll tell ya, you say you've heard some
people say "I never sinned"...I wonder if that is the one of the
worst possible things. Going around saying I never
sinned, in a wrong spirit, and of course it isn't true. And by the
way, just in passing, I'm not doing my notes, I got a
box full of em. go through them all orderly.
It was indeed Stewart that was born anew, recently. It was Stewart.
Not, not, definitely not ..some other being. It
was Stewart that was born anew. do you understand that Statement?(one
yes and 7 no's). Well Gayle , you sold that
for a while didn't you...go ahead..(pounding table) you sell it
to everyone(pounding table){Gayle: "well um"} Gayle
also can flip instantly huh?...
GAYLE: I don't understand all this yet but I, I have, I have been
thinking
STEW: May I testify..there is one human being that I know almost
or equally as well as I know myself, and ahh..I
testify that she has allways been a real christian.{Gayle giggles
in disbelief and is flattered) Next! Go ahead
Gayle{pounding the table}
GAYLE: giggling}}} Well that's good to hear, um...
STEW: I never was... Go Gayle {pounding Table}
GAYLE: Well I can explain this one thing, He said "it is indeed
Stewart that is born anew, not just some perfect
child put within us, separate , not part of us..um
STEW: And the child goes to Heaven and I go to Hell,
GAYLE: Yeah
STEW: And I get thrown out. No way.
GAYLE: Remember back, was it Jan 1 or somethin, I asked that question,
well if the old nature is going to hell, well
that's all I was before I got saved
STEW: Wait a minute, as I vaguely remember, weren't you plantively
asking that more or less in my direction
GAYLE: I gave you a note
STEW: Yeah.. you were sort of asking me such a question AAH!
What did I do?
GAYLE: You said "Of Course it is" and I went errrrannh{Gayle giggle}
STEW: I did?
GAYLE: Yeah{giggle} And I cringed and I thought wait a minute ,
so why do you say me
STEW: Then I was bluffing
GAYLE: Yeah you were
STEW: I was lying then
GAYLE: my thinking was always then, that it's this perfect disembodied
child...why didn't he just put it in a stone,
why did He bother with me, I'm going to Hell anyway, you know, if
I'm all I was and its, I am what I was, I mean I
know He's changed me, and it's just this perf, righte cha, the perfect
child of God just stuck in you, and that's going
to Heaven and the rest of this...what's saved? There's there's I
knew there was something wrong with that, plus
..we're made alive...the perfect child wasn't dead.
STEW: You were made alive. Stewart made alive, after January 1st
obviously. Have to get into the theory of
Stewart. Part of my problem was, which is much better in your case,
part of my problem was that I continued in sin
for 25 years, but it was low level sin hah. now it's written that
the sins of some men etc, etc, And by the way, that's
followed almost instantly by "Do not be hasty in the laying on of
hands." Which is quite a subject.
What was going on? Back in that church? It's very clear. But you
must first....You must first except that he meant
what he said. It's rough. Rough. it only takes me about a second.
You people , it's rough, it's rough. Let's hear it
people, low-level sin , see you don't notice it. as well. As with
the conspicious. Same thing though. In both casees the
old self is not dead. That's all, that's all that makes the difference.
dead or not dead. Goodness ahh Goodness 25
years, {mocking} "Helping people" Chuckie! "Helping people" Yes
, when we get into the 3 main things about
Stewart. Now they are not that I am handsome ahh..what are they?
A Nice person, those aren't the main things,
Chuck...{mocking} "Nice person"..."Helping people"...okay well...
wonder what we ought to get into that would be
most helpful to your _____________ at the moment.
Brother: I have a question, If you were born again, if it's clear
to you, like where does that leave us or where does
that leave me?
STEW:good question, of course
Brother: Like how do I know whether I am a christian or if I'm a
non-christian.
STEW: It centers around the subject as to the issue, Have you died
on the cross?Has the old self died? Or are you
still running a second life? A vague hope of something in , Hope!
of something in this life. And the word hope
becomes very very critical. Do you have 2 lives going or one?, the
thing I always talked about. I had 2 lives going.
You understand what I'm saying?(yeah yes, not really)
Brother: does it have to do with me relying on myself , us brothers?I'm
surrendered to Jesus but sometimes I rely
on myself, I know I shouldn't
STEW: By the way , I said I had 2 lives, thats correct,really, that's
correct, technically you can, actually you can't.
That's correct. what did I do? I'm new to this
CHUCK: I have a question...If you would have died a year
STEW: Yeah
CHUCK: or 6 months , you you you have the confidence or understanding
that you would have gone to Heaven or
Hell?
STEW: Definitely Hell
( whispers and hushes of disbelief)
Brother: What about pre-destination?
STEW: what about it? If anyone is in fact one of His elect.What's
the problem? They're going to Heaven. Whatever
it takes. Is He a savior?(yes)Whatever it takes, is what He'll
do. If He feels like taking 25 years, 25 seconds,
what's the difference, by the way, saved and born again. Exactly
what are they , of course. Can they occur at once?
they can. They can occur simultaniuosly or they can be anything
in between. But saved is first and bron again is
last. Saved begins with the sheep even! Saved begins with the sheep.
And continues all the way. But born anew is a
point where the discipleship begins. You will understand this. Do
ya hear the ahh concepts I'm saying?(yeah, yes).
You'll understand it clearly. It is the cross that is the great
divide. Your cross! And you cannot even be His disciple.
you're not fit, you're not fit. you must get fit. How do you get
fit? It comes down to your mind. it comes down to your
mind. how do you like that? And choosing your hope, understanding
that you can only have one. Recognizing, that is
everywhere. This somehow hah..That you have 2 lives, I actually
said it again didn't I? Good grief ! Well I'm not
perfect y, know. You gotta come to understand the difference between,
between ahh...not perfect and trespasses
and sins. Let's hear it Chuckie, what's yer problem?
CHUCK: I don't know, itt's hard for me to believe, about like you
going to Hell and ahh....I don't know if I can say it
right ...I don't know like all the things you've told us and everything
umm over the years, coming from a man that
would have gone to Hell if died. it just doesn't make sense
STEW:{insistant} It makes perfect sense, What not?
CHUCK:...............................
STEW: It's your pre-conceived notion, that yer clinging to, that's
the problem. Why doesn't it make perfect sense?
What's wrong with that? What says that can't be?
CHUCK:.........................I don't know if I can say it right...I
don't know..it just seems strange.
STEW: I guess it is yeah
CHUCK: I mean, you've shown, you've shown us alot of confidence
STEW: That's right...well hey come on ..let's not belly ache. You've
heard over and over for the last 6 months that
I've lost confidence in myself as the basis
CHUCK: Right
STEW: You heard that over and over..for a long time. let's go. What
is it?
OUTSIDER JOHN: Stewart? How can you reconcile
STEW: You're an old man. is that the problem?
OUTSIDER JOHN: How can you reconcile?
STEW: {to John} You don't mind interrupting him?
JOHN: No, I don't mind interrupting him. It says here in Romans
6 "In the same way, count yourselves dead to
sin..
CHUCK: You should let me finish
STEW: well well let's umm...
JOHN: and alive to God in Christ Jesus" count yourselves
STEW: yeah
JOHN: The passage is towards ...We therefore who were buried with
Him, through Baptism into death, Now notice
the past tense of the verse. "We were therefore buried with Him,
through baptism into death, in order that just as
Christ was raised from the dead, to the glory of the Father, we
too may live a new life. If we have been united with
Him like this in His death, we will certainly also be united with
Him in His ressurection. For we know That our old
self was crucified with Him, so that the body of sin might be done
away with, that we should no longer be slaves of
sin, because anyone who died has been freed from sin. Now if we
died with Christ, we believe that we will also live
with Him. For we know that Christ was raised from the dead, He cannot
die again, and death no longer has mastery
over Him. The death He died, He died to sin , once for all. But
the life He lives , He lives to God. Then, in the same
way, IN THE SAME WAY, count yourselves dead to sin and alive to
God." That is the scripture. What you are
saying is NOT TRUE! That That you now are born again means
that you no longer sin, is this true?
STEW: It's true
JOHN: So you will never sin again?
STEW: That's correct
JOHN: That is a lie
STEW: Prove it!
JOHN: It's a Lie
STEW:PROVE IT!
JOHN: your pride is evidence so
STEW: PROVE IT BY THE SCRIPTURES..You know the scriptures you just
read are all that I was just saying
( YEAH YES , THAT"S RIGHT ..that's what I was thinking, yeah, )
JOHN: WHAT you are saying is not what this says
STEW: Well maybe you are, maybe one of us doesn't understand. Maybe
there's a problem in ahhh...
JOHN: Let me hear
STEW: Yeah
JOHN: You said that no christian can sin
STEW: that's correct
JOHN: okay ..that we have to die
STEW: Yes..not physically
JOHN: right..When we die, when did you die?, as you believe in Jesus,
when di you die?
STEW: When I gave up my life in this world and followed Him
JOHN: That's not true because, Here it says "For we know that our
old self was crucified with Him
STEW: Exactly..Exactly
JOHN: So we died at Calvary
STEW: He did and So Did I
JOHN: WE DIED!
STEW: SO DID I!!
JOHN: I died at Calvary
STEW: Yes, I did, I don't know about you, I did
JOHN: I did.. wel if you died at Calvary, why do you have to die
now?
STEW: Because He said so. Because both are true as Gayle was pointing
out. Both are very very clear. We did die
and we are dying daily. We must take up our cross daily. both are
true. they are flat all over many of each. now
think about it. think about it.
JOHN: okay.....so now yer saying, that as a Christian you can't
sin
STEW: this isn't not..well John said it
JOHN: Okay , now I disagree with the whole premise, by the way,
your whole premise that that is what that
passage means, okay,Because what you said was close when you said
we are being changed from one degree of
glory to another. And I'll tell you what it means. We do have a
Holy Seed within us, that cannot sin. And that Holy
Seed within us, the Spirit of Christ within us burns, it's a judgment
within us, and it burns our outer nature. Our outer
nature, our sinful nature does not go to Hell. Where does it say
that it does. It wastes away. it does not go to
Gehenna. it does not go into the eternal flame. it gets judged and
burned as by fire. But it does not go to Hell. Do
you agree?
STEW: No
JOHN: Where is the passage that says it does?
{{{Stew whispers 'What's his name?"}}}
STEW:{{striking a resonable tone}}} See John, there's ah there's
ah misunderstanding. We don't want to go too far
in this now. There's alot more that we need to understand. I haven't
presented the picture yet. How bout you let, let
us go on. But , but really listen, you know , write down your questions.
I'll be glad to answer them. This absolutely
is true. don't , too quickly deny it. don't deny it.
JOHN: I'm believing what the word of God says. I'm not listening
to what you're saying. Because what you are
saying and what the word of God is saying are 2 distinct things.
STEW: Okay, Okay
JOHN: And anybody else, who has thought that and who has not said
it, is a coward.(muttering)
OUTSIDER JOHN NO. 2::: Excuse me sir, I do not know you, but I've
been listening for 2 hours argue and twist
the Word of God and the people here have listened to you. And you
have very well controlled them. And you don't
understand, I understand what's happening, I see it. you belittle
people and use peer pressure to put people down.
I've heard wonderful words spoken and you don't hear it. Words out
of your mouth, "very clearly" "very chrystal
clear" "you will understand" All those words are hypnotic
words and to repeat it over and over ....you are being
pulled in You know what? You must , you must study for yourself
to be approved , a workman unto God, rightly
dividing the word of Truth. it's not being rightly divided and that's
why it does not come down...Watch and guard
carefully what's been entrusted to you, or it will be taken from
you. the fire of God will fall on you instead of burn
through you. Watch carefully how you guard the word which has been
trusted unto you. Do not be misled by one
person. God dwells within you and the Spirit of God is the scribe
that wrote the word of God. And He interprets it.
Be very careful, I still haven't heard a thing in 2 hours, and I'm
waiting to hear " Thus saith..whatever
Brother: Excuse me
JOHN the 2nd: I don't hear that
Brother: what's yer name?
John2: John
Brother: Jesus said " do not judge by appearances, but judge with
right judgment. So you can't just come in and say
"This is going on" you gotta have evidence.
STEW: Well, I'm sure they agree that we have to stay calm.(yeah)
I'm sure they agree we need to stay calm. And
really study and really honestly consider right?(YEEEEEESSSS) Okay,
no problem
JOHN2: Well I just don't have anymore time, it's been 2 hours already,
I've been waiting to hear(laughing..."he
really cares", clamor)
STEW: many months ago in a issue ofChristian History magazine had
an article on what was a group, It was called
perfectionism. Remember me speaking of that?(yes) I lightly looked
at the article. I know just about zero of what
they were saying. It ended horribly. And the group ended horribly.
This smacks of that. One of the worst possible
things is a wrong kind of " I never sinned." It's by the Grace of
God only and the word is "keeps" because "he who
is born of God, keeps him." It isn't that I do it. He guarentees
and He keeps me. it's by His first saving grace and
then by His keeping. Gayle was finding, she looked up in the
dictionary. There's always 2 different kinds of grace.
Remember? Saving and preserving. Saving and keeping. The flesh greatly
wants, greatly wants .........it's
okay....................the arrogant man will not abide............that's
sad....but I know that's going to happen a great
deal..... Each one of you are gonna mark yourself as a liar{{tone
of "or" here but ST doesn't say it}}} , each one of
you, not according to what I say either. And it's gonna take alot
more than 2 hours, was it 2 hours?Take alot more
than that for this to sink in enough for you to handle it. But you'll
be off and running and able to handle it, if you
really do love truth enough to.... to seek it, and if you love Jesus
enough and trust Him enough to surrender to Him.
the real thing is He corrects his opponents with gentleness. I am
confident that I'll never have a better. There is no
valid attack. But I know what I'm doing from now on..right?(yes..muttering)
You know that? hah....For three days I
was saying "well at least I'm back into having fun again. But I
mustn't....I mustn't back into interests.
I wrote out some cards...I never worked hard at anything in my life,
why should I? I never saw anything worth
working at. underline "saw"...I did alot of stuff... But I never
saw anything worth working at and getting serious.
Now I do ...Now I see the real thing. those verses he read were
all obviously the real thing. I'm aware most of you
are surprised. He seemed to be arguing, for the truth(muttering
in agreement). But didn't want to hear it. That's
what yer gonna hear from now on.
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God can keep you. Its well written. When I was writing em. And 3
times "don't lie and say He can't" it's written out
3 times, You're a liar if you say He can't. And that's the problem
right there. And why are you lying? "I don't want
to really surrender." "I don't want the concept of this moment I
am living on borrowed time. The life I live is no
longer for me. I don't want that." The flesh doesn't want that.
But I'm living on borrowed time. And I act as though I
am already dead physically. That I'm building nothing in this life.
Kevin, at the meeting, said he was starting, and he
said, it was clear he was looking to success. This vague feeling,
that somewhere down the line I'm gonna have
success. And that feeling means success in this life. And it's all
wrong. Any success that we have is 100% His
success. And this feeling that "I'm gonna have success" is of the
devil. I understand it. Last thing you're gonna see
me do is pick a fight or ahh..by the grace of God. One of the acid
tests is this word love. Not being nice to people,
not helping them out. Love isn't arrogant.
I really see something worth working at for the first time ever.
1John really is beautiful. Think we ought to take a
break?(yes, yeah...weak) Short Break maybe? (yes) I haven't even
referred to the notes. I'm just trying to get over
the initial shock. My hope already consciously is that....I know
many will hear out there and do their thing out there
and that somehow I can get to them before they do too much of this
suicide. I'm careful to construct that already. I
know what's coming. That's love , by the way. "you therefore must
be perfect, even as your Heavenly Father is
perfect." "Father", notice, not sheep. I'm telling you now the patterns
are perfect. These patterns. I haven't begun
to speak of them. They're Perfect!! Calm Down! Everything
he said made sense. "The 99 who have no need of
repentence." I don't need to repent. I have. For real. I don't need
to repent. And as far as testimony, What do you
think, Gayle?
GAYLE: I think you have
STEW: Well , there's one witness. If I have , for real , then I
don't need to. Unless I sinned again. So no wonder He
said "have no need of repentence." And everything makes sense. But
the flesh doesn't want to hear it. From now
on, there's going to be a division. And I am going to bear with
the failings of the weak, greatly! You know the rest.
That doesn't mean you surrender to the liars. But we don't need
to be liars, we can, we can ..be careful. So why
don't we take a bathroom break?(very weak yes). 10 or 15 minutes...right?(right)
God Bless you brothers and
sisters. (the break occurs)
Let's listen Now!! WANNA HEAR ANOTHER IDIOT TALK!!??!!( NO YES...confused)
That idiot talk was that
"sinless" talk recently. 'HO HO HO well you're just trying to be
sinless' and I started that. When was that? That
you can't be sinless?(bout 3 or 4 months ago, 6 months ago) Whe
was that?( February..clamor) well anyway What is
the real story? That we have sinned. And we have sin in our members.
But we can and must lead a sin-free life!
HEY PAY ATTENTION QUIT YOUR WRITING, PAY ATTENTION. HOW IS JESUS
CHRIST GLORIFIED
THROUGH US BY CONTINUING IN SIN?( He's not... clamor) Well then?HE's
NOT GLORIFIED BY HIS
SHEEP!! SHOW ME THAT!! HE"S GLORIFIED BY HIS SHEEP. Show me a shepherd
that is glorified by his
sheep. We are able to glorify Him. We are called to it. Meanwhile
we continue in sin. And excuses, well, excuses to
justify sin. What are we up to? This is His promise TO KEEP US!!
He who is born of God will KEEP him. What kind
of a savior is He. "Well, a pretty good one, but ahh, in other words....A
COMPLETELY SINLESS LIFE. Not that
you are without sin. If any says is, It says in 1John "If anyone
says he has no sin or has never sinned, he's a liar. Or
doesn't have sin, we have sin in our members. Wretched man that
I am, but thanks be to God, who doesn't it
Himself. gives us the victory. There is therefore now no condemnation
as long as you're over the fence. That is his
disciple. From there on , no condemnation. Completely sinless life
is available to you. DON'T LIE AND SAY IT
ISN'T. DON'T LIE AND SAY IT ISN'T!!! YOU'RE LYING IF YOU SAY IT
ISN'T. And you're lying because
you want to justify the flesh. On the other hand, If I admit it,
"I must surrender" or face that I am choosing Hell.
Ohh..I don't want that..what am I gonna do? Everything else is find
a teacher to your liking. Where you can feed
your fantasy. Everything else is find one to your liking. you will
see that. And also, also. What is the real reason
why you still are and desire to have to be in sin! Why would
you argue for that anyway? Because you really can't
help it. right? you really can't help it. There really is no way.
Hah hah. If that were true. If you really couldn't help
it. If there was not a clear. Look, all you've got to do is drop
dead and you'll never sin. No?(yesss)"I don't wanna
die"{{{ST mocking tone}}} "It isn't worth it to me.""I wanna live
for.".ooops..I shouldn't say that...this life." I don't
count Him really ...the best thing."or I do. Yeah there's gonna
be a real division. He said "Who is on my side, I'm
on the Lord's side, are you with me or against me, Remember he said
"who is on the Lord's side." How is Jesus
glorified if sin continues. And why does sin NEVER continue in the
New Testament? No where will you see the
word sin and anything from disciple on up connected. NOWHERE! The
word sin. Here's the disciple sinning, no
way. Here's the saint sinning, non- concept. It's over. Otherwise,
what did He accomplish? "WELL he was a big
sinner, now he's a widdo one." That's all He accomplished right?(silence)
Got it?(silence) Are you
listening?(YESSS). Get the point or not?(YESS) Alright the sin issue.
Sin is the most fundamental issue in human
life. And sheep, by the way, Human, soul...human and soul. The sheep
of course is the Human, including the old self.
Now the old self must die. You don't shoot the sheep! you shoot
the self. Crucify the self. Which is the agent of sin.
AND THEREFORE IT IS WRITTEN 'LOVE COVERS A MULTITUDE OF SINS. Because
where there is no
self, there can be love, they are against each other. There is no
way you can have self and love together. don't you
know that humanly?(yes..right) It's one or the other. The only way
for love to be operating is for self to die.
Therefore if you are loving actually and doing loving things, that's
what He said " Therefore he is born of God." "
Whoever loves is born of God." And his sins are covered. His old
sins. Doesn't mean new sins. No such thing as sin
in Christian life. There's no sense discussing it. The New Testament
doesn't. And I and all Christians talk about it.
All the time. Always sin, always dealing with the sin in Christians.
there is no such thing. These are sheep. Someday
they may be disciples. they may be Christians. but they're not now.
Isn't that clear?(weak "yes). Anyway I value
making Him look good. So I'll use the power He gave me. Gave them
power to become... yeah "All manner of sin
will be forgiven Christians, no way, ..man...just man. And the pattern
is everywhere. Sin is forgiven men. not
christians, because there's no sin to forgive. or they're not christians.
it's that simple. To go to heaven you have to
be very very good. "He who has suffered in the flesh has ceased
from sin." And even the meaning and intent of that
passage doesn't mean physical suffering. "Has ceased"..."COME TO
YOUR RIGHT MINDS AND WHAT?( sin
no more)..now how do you like that? RIGHT MINDS. Who are you?If
you are a sheep at all. If you're one of His
sheep at all. Why don't you come to your right mi..the mind of Chr..,
the man. they weren't. They weren't disciples.
isn't the brethren He's talking to. which is both together. You
look that up , the characters he calls brothers. and
furthermore John 8"He who commits sin is a slave to sin." "those
who belong to Christ Jesus HAVE crucified the
flesh."yeah..John 8 we always understood that "he who commits sin"
means he's really into it. But somehow a
weekend sinner is okay. "So you must consider yourselves dead to
sin." BUT YOU CAN'T. soYou must consider
yourselves dead to sin, You must, It's on you, BUT YOU CAN'T blank
..when you know what yer up to. And what
you haven't done. So why not be honest. "We were dead in trespasses
and sins, while we were physically alive."
Now we are still physically alive but we are dead to sin. This must
be the picture. You must be perfect. There is no
such thing as WEEKEND ABIDING Either...it ain't a hotel. "Surely
there isn't a righteous man on earth." that's
right , there isn't one. That's right , you fell for it. "Surely
there isn't one." By the way, another new saying, the
earth...the earth is good for 2 things. It's good for falling into
and bearing fruit and it's good for graves. And that's
all the earth is good for. Do not be deceived, as He said , this
is not just some ideal that we'RE STRIVING
TOWARD! I think is one of the tricks. "Well , yes, This is my ideal,
I sure would like to be this way, I hope
someday I am, but in the meantime, it's okay. It's okay. " Some
sort of "Wait and See"..Sin, you just haven't
started the Christian life yet. We may be the elect, His sheep,
we don't know it yet. What Sheep knows His
shepherd as a man? You hear His voice, a wind, there's a sort of
a elementary reaction. that's not the sheep "Of Hi
there Shepherd." He doesn't know Him as a man so. Sheep believe
as Sheep. And disciples believe as disciples.
That's quite a study right there. They both believe, but in different
ways. It's clear. Look for problems in these
areas, you won't find them. Not with this view. The mind of the
apostles. That is incredible. There's the pursuit of
sin, love of it and there's falling into sin. But don't be deceived,
both are committing sin. If the one is more humanly
understandable, that's neither here nor there.
Why didn't He just write in the bible, "Saints cannot sin"
somewhere, why isn't there another passage like this
somewhere. Then surely I would have noticed. Just another one somewhere
then. And as a matter a fact there is, in
the Gospel of John, somehow I always ran over it. John 8. "If the
son makes you free you will be free indeed."He's
a slave otherwise. to sin. Followed by "If you continue..." He said
to the Jews that believed in Him. He said to the
sheep, remember. He said "If you continue.." up to Chapter
12 and beyond. but then they started arguing. First
they talked nice. John 6 too, they talked "Lord give us this bread
always" and then they started fighting again. It
wasn't really listening. 1 Timothy 5 :24 "The sins of some men are
conspicuous, pointing to judgment, but the sins of
others appear later. That happened with me. Then there's the subject
of fighting sin. Remember a while ago,
fighting sin?Fighting the wrong way. There is, there is a taking
up the cross. But, um..yeah there's alot of wasted
energy by not.....by not fighting the fight of the faith. It's the
obedience of faith, remember! It's not being good. As a
little child understands. Although it's true, what the child says.
Well, we've gotta look at these things an awful lot
closer. I'm just running over them. And another thing, "As He was
in this world so ARE WE!" He is described in
one way. Being the same as us except that He had no sin. Er go what
must we be?(mumbling.."have no sin") Have
no sin. Not that we of ourselves have no sin. there is sin in our
members. But that's not me. We must be like Him.
We are in fact. 1 John is a very conceited looking book isn't it?(mumbling
yeah). You will hear many from now on
call me conceited. I say again, you will hear many from now on call
me conceited. But you know better. You know
better. "As He was in this world, so are we." He has freed
us from our sins. Therefore we are without sin, because
He freed us. "Who can say I have made myself pure?" That's true.
He has freed us from our old sins. And He has
freed us from sin period. And they're 2 different things. And He
has freed us from sin by allowing us to be able to be
united with Him in a death like His. so that we even now rise in
newness of life, mirroring His resurrection and ours.
We are united with Him now, in His death and His life as He lived
here in this world. We'll also be united with Him
in His Resurrection. As clear as can be. I count death with Him
far better than life in this world. Each of us will,
will.... prove what we are. I do or I don't......use some brains,
you're gonna die anyway, so why not commit suicide so
that's it's worth something. confidence for the day of judgment.
Have no sin , no spot. Yup, confidence for the day of
judgment. something we were always round and round about.(yup) The
only way to have confidence , to bold
approach the throne of grace is "I have no sin". What is this well
I hope here, I hope there, well I hope it's okay,
i'm sinning but I hope He forgives me. But there is no confidence
and no peace. The older ones , How do you like
that life?(nooo) Well it is not His plan or His will, that we should
be that way. Folks, are you getting sleepy...or
tired(a very sleepy "noo"). "Hope" and Mind" there's a very
good connection. In your minds, you know your
hope. And you certainly know if you are bothering and I know I never
did, that's one of the ways I know. I never
executed all hope in this life. Not consciously. got rid of it.
therefore it continued. If you don't get rid of it. Now
"Hope" and Mind". the mind is important. "With my mind I serve the
law of Christ." I have some notes about it.
Then there is this whole thing of the process of the upward call,
a whole bunch of notes about
sheep/disciple...friend....branches.... and overview notes about
the whole subject. the growing process. In fact, not
even growing, it's even the process before you're growing, that
is the sheep. From the sheep all the way to Saints.
And the language that is used always and therefore the view, that
they always had. Uniformly, all of the apostles at
every point. And after that is , yeah "Let the wheat and tares grow
together, lest in knocking this one out you
knock that one out." But the wicked, The really wicked ....drive
out from among you. but the wheat and the tares. If
it isn't gross wicked you don't know. But gross wicked should not
be there. Let the wheat and tares grow together.
Now there's honest Christians....no I'm sorry..there are honest sinners,
honest sinners, there's no such thing as
honest christians. you are either Christian or non. There's honest
sinners. There's christians. And then there's the
third weird category. honest sinners and again there is no such
thing as an honest backslider. He never was a
christian. period. Never saw Him, never knew Him and all the rest.
Honest sinners, there's Christians and then
there's the third weird thing, sounds like the owls and the bats
and all, there's wolves, liars,Truthsurpessers.
Lukewarm. what else? All weird things. honest sinners, Christians
and the third weird.
Now there's a difficult verse. "If anyone bears the name of brother."
Just brother not disciple, "And he is guilty of
immorality, have nothing to do with him, don't even eat with him."
Is it clear or not?(noo) Get rid of the word
brother, if he bears the name of brother. I admit, I am nothing
but a sinner."If he bears the name of brother.....you
have nothing to do with him. If he bears and he's claiming that
he is and He's guilty of immorality, if he's an honest
sinner, well...immoral people, if we are not allowed to talk to
immoral people comma..what's the rest?( we'd have to
leave the world) Therefore if he bears the name of brother. Now
how does he bear the name of brother. Obviously
he's not a christian. but somehow he's in there, now it got gross.
And He's guilty, that is , he's has not repented. If
he has repented, then he's back in the brother and the sheep category.
He still isn't born anew. But he's back as a
sheep. And we work on it. this is approximately what we have always
done. listen, let him be as a tax collector,
doesn't mean he's going to Hell. If fact, He even said go out and
bring in the bad ones. But it's that if he bears the
name of brother, that's the key. doesn't say he can't be saved.
perhaps later, and there is a clearer thing, and
perhaps he will become a real disciple. they didn't accept Paul
at first either, remember. 'He who puts his hand to
the plow and looks back is not fit.
What's he doing? Is he hoping? is he thinking again?(yea). so what's
the picture? He's a sheep! He's not fit for the
kingdom. and He's remaining a sheep. Does it make sense?(mumbling)
Let me break in here for a sec. The Sheep
is not fit for the Kingdom? How bout John 10 when Jesus the Good
Shepherd gives His sheep eternal life, Stewy?
Does it make sense?(YESS). I should think so. Quite clear...to me.
Then there's "saved" and "born again"...that's
a really good one. patterns showing in different areas showing patterns.
Statement of view, the importance of John
12:24, he who is died is freed from sin, the good thing about Hope.
what is the good thing about hope?Well you
know about it. since that is the..that's coming down to the crunch,
as to whether you are crucifying self or not.
You're in control of that. OH I know you're so pitiful, you can't
help it. That's standard game but for how long?
Because there was a way in this crazy thing. there was a way to
gain advantage. the real thing there ain't. the good
thing about hope. Hope is a thing over which we have power. if our
hope is only in him, it's only by His Spirit. How
could humans put humans to death. I mean how could you humanly put
yourself to death for no reason? hah in some
real way you can. It's only by His Spirit that you can do it. "No
one can say Jesus is Lord, actually say that.
Now you see, even though all of you, or some of you or whatever,
even though you were willing to set your hope in
God. i mean this is all hindsight, theoretical...even though
you were willing.....my example and the lack of truth has
made your problem worseNO KIDDING. that's the truth, sad to say..but
by..literally by the grace of God, no
longer. We all have the same problem. I was continuing the problem,
I was continuing in it myself. And so I was
making it worse for you. Cuz my example looks like "Wow he knows
what he is doing, hah ehah, oh well I guess it's
okay." got it?("yes"...weak and really in disbelief and a little
disgusted). Now he set us free. do you know that life
almost equals hope? There's an old saying... life ahh ...."Hope
springs eternal in the human breast" and that's the
whole problem. We were always hoping in Christmas Morning. Remember
that?(yess)Something now. in other
words there was a groping after this stuff...but it was not according
to truth. Like Apollos, fervent spirit, but it was
off. Life almost equals hope. So how many lives do you have? Really
only one. Trying to live as though you have 2
lives and 2 hopes. it's a fantasy , you don't. Now human beings
will tell you that. And Christians will tell you that.
And if you're with and in between, you'll hear anything. turns out
hope is the key. Faith, hope and love. Hope really
is the key. It takes faith and setting your hope , both to take
up your cross. That's the only way that you can bear
the fruit of love. Even then , you know, you're not bearing the
fruit of love in the wheat and John 12:24. That's
righteousness. the Harvest of righteousness. What we have done is
to continue 2 hopes, instead of executing one of
them and leaving only the other. Therefore Kevin says "Well , we'll
have success, Hey fella, we're gonna have
success, aren't we aren't we?" then a vague hope of "I'm gonna get
it together." therefore what happened
instantly?I said they don't notice it. "Why don't we forget about
this and just a life of close to Jesus. And what
happened?(blah blah) don't react , now why? what does that show
about you?
PAUL: that we chased after things like that alot
STEW: and maybe you have learned your lesson. you have learned your
lesson. Continuing 2 hopes instead of
executing the one and leaving only the other. the fact that we still
have a vague hope in this life is proof that we
have never been born anew. A vague hope is continuing. As of now,
as of now. It always was proof but now there's a
clearer standard. Y'll start to see it(yees). Chuckie?
CHUCK: YES
STEW: What?
CHUCK: I see that
STEW: THE WHOLE BILL OF GOODS or just some Chuckie?
CHUCK: I'm starting to see the whole bill of goods
STEW: Heey! We're getting there. let's proceed. If we judged ourselves
truly, we would not be judged. Now how
should I judge myself "oh , let's see, did I do this sin? ahh Did
I do that?" You know it's somewhere in what am I
really up to. okay ...what am I really up to? "Well I'm a nice fella""I
help people" Chuckie tells me I help people.
I'm not such a mean...I mean , I'm handsome(laughing). Now How bout
hope. Is there any hope in this life(noo).
Okay am I acting as though there is? Am I allowing a hope in this
life to continue or not? Now there's the right
judgment. And anymore that's going to become very clear.don't worry.
And we do have to understand the difference
between interests and hope. We have to!{{{tapping a file card on
table). This is part of why, you characters never
married.{{{{tapping file card}}} Marriage is an interest. And his
interests are divided that's true. But it's still the
best thing it's called. And it seems dangerous and treacherous.
Well the safe thing is to do nothing. But you're not
just doing nothing, you are continuing a vague hope. Anyway, interest
and hope. We are told, there was these
ones..."they all look after their own interests, not those of Jesus
Christ." Well, that's not saying, you mustn't have
your won interests and only Jesus. it's not saying that. That would
be wonderful. But another passage tells you,
directly, make sure that you also look out for the interests of
others not your own only. Indicating that we do look
after our interests, but it's , at His leading. And He does lead
us, concerning them. And we are responsible to Him
about it. When does interest become hope?Well now that will get
clearer. the peace that comes from one hope. Not
back and forth. No more conflicting thoughts. Accusing. if
you were physically dead, you would have no more sick
feelings would you?(no). No conflicting thoughts. living on borrowed
time..is that you're attitude? the life I live, I'm
living on borrowed time. There's a hope issue. Turns out Romans
6:7 is a very critical verse..."He who has died is
freed from sin." And only he who has died is FREED FROM SIN!!. Shoulda
stuck an only in there.
And , by the way, "You have been born anew, to a living hope." Now
hope has a great deal to do with it then. That
was the purpose. We glorify Him by hoping in His promise, instead
of hoping in this life. but we glorify Him.
Thereby we serve Him. But you know if it's a game. or if you killed
everything that moved..or did you let some of it
live? Yooou Know{{{mock accusing tone}}}. Secret life, we aren't
playing both sides. So therefore the pearl of great
price, when and sold all that he had and invested it. And there
is a double-minded man. He won't receive anything
from the Lord. He's a man, by the way, not a disciple, as always.
Every single time. "Brother" will include very
strange characters up to but not including open immorality. Up to
but not including ...that's where you draw the line.
And you know the case where he sentenced him to death. extreme
immorality. the pattern is there.
And then , of course , there are other subjects, such as Love and
Self. And the kind of thing, hah..I was always
saying, not doing it though, "I wanna" is Lord. "I wanna"....."Well
I wanna", "I don't want this" that's , it's going
to become very clear to these thousands of people that the jig is
up. And...well here's the thing, there out there
fantasizing "that I shall be safe, though I walk in the stubbornness
of my own heart." the jig is up. they are not safe.
They are going to find out that they are not safe. they may keep
it up. but there is gonna be a big division. no more
of this pitiful, nice and this and that. it's love or hate. can't
you see..Mind and Hope...the whole package here? the
Mind and Hope thing. Veeerrry important!! "On becoming a church."
"The theory of Stewart." describing our
church and what happened therefore. I was saying a month ago...that
I know that I must consecrate myself. I didn't
know what I was talking about. it was something like that. I didn't
know what. this is necessary for your sake. It's
also necessary for my salvation. literally , by the Grace of God,
literally by the Grace of God. the first is saving
grace and then His keeping grace. By that grace, I going to be the
best example I can be of a non-phoney but loud
mouthed christian that eh I don't know about the language but never
sinned ahh never sinning, that is ahh... a right
kind of boasting. Not at all this strange or sick thing that winds
up I'm good and you're bad. That's all wrong. That
winds up that way is no good is of no value. in order to show you
how true and how good this way really is. That's the
consecrated in truth part. To show you it works. it's true and it's
good. Yeah...and bear with the failings of the weak
as Jesus has with me for a quarter of a century. But I will by no
means surrender to the liars, and who are the liars
but those who choose to continue living in self and sin and trying
to call it Jesus or "I'm okay" or something else or
trying to muddy it. Well it's not muddy. Got it?(yeah) There is
and will be no longer anywhere to hide. You can lie
but you can't hide. This is the one and only true gospel. Know that
the Son of God has come and has given us
understanding to know Him who is true, the one and only true gospel.
This is true life, eternal life, little children,
make sure you only have one hope.