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LATEST NEWS! 11/11/08

KTM is pulling out of the 250cc Moto GP class. The Austrian Motorcycle maker is not going to build a 600cc 4stroke to race under the new rules. They are also ending their 250GP race efforts before the schedualed switch to the 600cc 4 strokes. They will continue to build and support the 125 Moto GP class.

ALSO KTM .... I have read in the "Save the Two Strokes" poll comments, "WE NEED SOME TWO STROKES TO RIP THE 4's ON THE TRACK" I thought I would address this! It happens all the time actually. American Nathan Kanney rode to victory on a KTM 300 XC 2 stroke at the Sugo Circuit in Japan on November 2nd. The race was the final event of the Japaneese National Cross Country Series. This is but 1 of many examples. The factories contract/hire the best riders. They expect them to race the bikes they provide. The factories are all trying to sell their new 4 stroke motocrossers. The old saying win on Sundays means sales on Monday is TRUE! Let's face it tho! For example... James Stewart is going to win Supercross and it doesen't matter if it is on a Kawasaki or a Yamaha,Suzuki,Honda etc. He would win if he rode a 2 stroke or 4 stroke. He is just the better rider. Most of the top bike brands are all pretty good! The diffrence is the talent of the rider! the factories have their best riders on the 4 strokes because that is what they want to sell to you!

MORE NEWS!

The F.I.M and all of the motorcycle companies have agreed to replace the 250cc 2 stroke Moto GP class with 600cc Four strokes. Now all the motorcycle companies have to decide if they are going to compete. It is not known what KTM and Aprilla might do. This also is a problem because of the already existing 600cc Four stroke World Supersport Series. The exact specifications and rules will be discussed and established in the future. The change is schedualed to happen January 1, 2011 This information came from a FIM press release.

MORE NEWS! I recieved a letter last week from a Marc Alias. He is a mechanical engineer and technical journalist.

"Dear freinds,

as a mechanical engineer graduate, I do agree with you and clean two strokes!

Now as technical journalist, I did some two strokes articles in papers and web here: www.motoservices.com/technique_moto/moteur_2_temps.htm

www.motoservices.com/technique_moto/reponse-de-Marc-Alias.htm

www.motoservices.com/actualite-moto/spip.php?breve22098

So if you want to make a link or need some pictures, let's go!!

Best regards.

ps ! My press pseudo is Mark Twostroke...

Cordialement.

ALIAS Marc

Journaliste technique

MORE NEWS --- 250cc Gran Prix 3 YEARS LEFT?

The 250cc 2 stroke Grand Prix class will be replaced from the year 2011 on. This is what a meeting of officials and Motorcycle company executives have decided just recently in Malaysia. What they did not decide was what would be the size of displacement of the replacement bikes. It appears it may be a 500cc twin 4 stroke or somthing based on 600cc current road based engines. KTM has said that they would be willing to produce 250cc 2stroke engines for all competitors if Honda decided to pull out of the series.

Honda stated "The world trend is that we will go four stroke." They said with the right regulations they could keep costs the same as the top two strokes.

Many people are fearfull of rising costs involved with racing. This affects track owners,promoters,racers and the public. To see what may happen in the 250 GP road racer class look at the introduction of 4 strokes to Motorcross. What has the 4 stroke brought to Motorcross? What do you make of the Large gap between the factories with huge budgets and the privateers? Motorcross bikes are now more expensive to buy,maintain,fix and race. Has this caused less bikes to show up at tracks and in races? Has this affected the quality of the racing show? Were the races more exciting when everyone rode a 2 stroke? With 3 years to go for the 250's, I hope that this issue is not settled yet.

MORE 250GP NEWS!
Some of you may be aware of the rumors of a change in the rules for the 250cc 2 stroke Grand Prix Racers. As you may know Moto GP changed from 500cc 2strokes to 990cc 4strokes in 2002. The 990cc 4strokes have now been changed to 800cc 4strokes. The rumor is that a agreement has been made that the 250's would be replaced in the year 2012 and that the replacement bikes would share the track with the 250's for a few years before the end of the 250's in 2012. The Battle seems to be between Honda and KTM. Honda has announced that they will not build any 2 stroke by the end of this year 2008. This includes race bikes. KTM and Aprillia are the big 2 stroke companies. They have both invested heavily in the current crop of 250cc race machines. Cycle News Magazine Issue #38 of 9/26/07 has a great qoute from Harald Bartol the Technical director at KTM.
"I think the 4stroke thing is a political decision basically comming from Honda, the rest of the Japaneese are following"
Bartol also said "To sort it out we need to sit down all together ... what kind of bike can we build? ... What sort of restrictions? ... around a table, it's going that way and we will have to find a way without an explosion of costs. I believe Honda is pushing the 600cc 4stroke idea, but there is no European manufacturer with an engine like this. To find a class with the same performance as a 250cc 2stroke without an increase in costs ... this is not easy. We made an agreement last year to last for 5 years. We cannot have it that a series is changed by one manufacturer. So we have done a calculation on how much a good 250 with a production run of 20 bikes would cost. This would be cheap. If Honda pulls out, then we will make more bikes. maybe in the long term it would be better to do somthing 4stroke. Aprillia would do it now" (End Qoute)

A current 250cc Grand Prix 2stroke Racer

I wanted to tell all of you it is very important to future improvements in 2 stroke technology what happens in the 250cc Grand Prix class. If the 250's go away it may affect the application of Orbital style technology on all future 2 stroke bikes of any kind. Or if there will be any more 2strokes at all. Research and development money would be spent to build complex 4strokes and not on improving 2stroke engines. Orbital is an Australian Company that has a patent and systems that allow a 2stroke to run as "clean" as a 4stroke. www.orbeng.com It would be a shame not to see future advances in this "clean" 2stroke technology. PATRICK HARRINGTON

In 1975, Yamaha tried to find a solution to their power deficit and fitted their dirt-tracker with the 130 horsepower engine from their TZ750 roadracer. The result was a monstrous, nearly uncontrollable machine. However, in August 1975, Roberts rode this TZ750 dirt-tracker at the famous Indy Mile dirt-track oval, winning the race ahead of Jay Springsteen and Corky Kenner. He later admitted that the TZ750 dirt-tracker, which could hit speeds of up to 240km/h on the straights, was too scary even for him. ‘They don’t pay me enough to ride that thing,’ said King Kenny, and within a few weeks, the AMA went on to ban the TZ750 engine from dirt-track racing – that was the end of the machine’s short-lived dirt-track career. The TZ750 dirt-tracker only won one race in 1975, but will still be remembered forever Today, how does Roberts remember his old steed? Says The King, ‘You had to throw it sideways to get it slowed for the corners. There weren’t a lot of riders who could throw it sideways at 240km/h.’ Amen…

AMA competition bulletin: amateur motocross class rules changes
To: AMA Off-Road Congress delegates, AMA promoters
Please be advised that the AMA Board of Directors ratified a new amateur motocross class structure for the 2008 racing season at its May 2007 meeting.
Nationally recognized amateur motocross classes for 2008 will include:
MX Lites (100cc-153cc 2-stroke/151cc-250cc 4-stroke); 125 Class (86cc-125cc 2-stroke only) Motocross (154cc-285cc 2-stroke/251cc-450cc 4-stroke); 250 Class (126cc-250cc 2-stroke only); Open (251cc-500cc 2-stroke/390cc-650cc 4-stroke). Displacements may be OEM or achieved by aftermarket modification.
The amateur motocross class structure for 2008 also includes Plus 25, Veteran 30 and Veteran 40 for riders at least 25, 30 or 40 years old, respectively, riding two- or four-stroke motorcycles with displacements of 86cc-open; and a Women's class for women riding two- or four-stroke motorcycles with displacements of 80cc-open.
The AMA amateur motocross classes for 2008 will also recognize a Pit Bike class. The specifications for the Pit Bike class are still being finalized and will be submitted for AMA Congress approval at the October meeting.
The 2008 structure for AMA Youth Classes will be the same as in 2007.
The new class structure is the result of a directive the AMA Board of Directors issued to AMA staff late last year to consult with technical experts in the field and recommend a measured approach to leveling the playing field between two- and four-stroke motorcycles in amateur motocross.
Also at the May meeting, the AMA Board of Directors ratified three rules that passed AMA Congress in 2006 for the 2007 season but were not ratified at the November 2006 Board meeting.
These additional changes to Amateur, Semi-professional & Youth Competition Rule Book take effect immediately:
Add sentence (chapter 4, section B, paragraph 3, page 14): "In addition, in Dirt Track, TT, Scrambles and Ice Race, riders changing machines must start on the penalty line on their next race." Last sentence to read (chapter 4, section B, paragraph 7 I, page 15): "and riders will be started in a procedure consistent with Pro Racing restarts." Change (chapter 5, section C, paragraph 1, page 44): "Class 6 Change age to 7-11. Delete Maximum (adjusted length) wheelbase 45 inches. Move brackets between 85cc classes and hillclimb classes 13 & 14. Place the wheel sizes below to be included with classes 13 & 14: Front Wheel Max 17 inches, Rear wheel min 12 inches, Rear Wheel Max. 16 inches. Delete Wheelbase 51 inches or less for Hillclimb."
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Latest News! Sorry folks but, it is bad news. Kawasaki is no longer importing the KX125 2 stroke motorcross bike to the United States. The Honda Motor Corporation announced that they will be no longer manufacturing any 2 stroke motorcycles starting in 2007. You can still get a Kawasaki KX125 2 stroke in Canada. Anybody miss the CR500 Honda yet? This is probably a sign of what is to come from the other Motorcycle Companies. Thanks, MIKE
MORE COMMENTS!

I guess I should add my two-cents. I started riding back when Honda first introduced the Cub. I worked in the motorcycle industry for many years, including bike development at American Honda and Technical Analyst for the Motorcycle Industry Council, where I served as go-between, representing the motorcycle industry in government affairs such as safety and exhhaust emissions. I have also been designing two-stroke engines for about 40 years. Anyhow, I probably know a bit more about this than the average guy. Most of what the public gets -- on this issue or any other! -- is bull. I think it is finally beginning to get through that Orbital, E-tec, and others have demonstrated that the two-stroke doesn´t have a problem with exhaust emissions. It is probably not well known that Honda built and tested their own "clean" two-stroke and published the results in an SAE paper in 1998. (I don´t have the number at this moment, but if anyone wants to order a copy from SAE, I could dig it out.) This was an excellent test because it followed the LA4 driving cycle and compared the two-stroke with one of their four-strokes. With or without a catalyst, the four-stroke had 5-times the CO emissions and 7-times the NOx emissions of the two-stroke. Immediately after this, Honda started telling all their dealers all over the world that the two-stroke was doomed. "In five years", they said, "there will be no more two-strokes". Of course, they also got all the race-rules changed to make it look like their prediction was coming true. And do you know that Rolls Royce (aircraft engines) had a secret WWII two-stroke development program? That ended when the jet became the obvious way to go for aircraft. But at the end, Sir Harry Ricardo got over 350-hp from a single-cylinder engine with a 5.1-inch bore, at 4000-rpm. That was in 1945! Look, I could go on like this for a long time but it comes down to this: We will never get the "best" technology, we will get the technology that makes companies like Honda the most money. It´s NOT THE SAME THING! But lastly, the question on banning two-strokes is a bit odd. Nobody (EPA, CARB, etc) has suggested this. They set standards, they don´t dictate engine types. Some years ago, the EPA did say that they didn´t think two-strokes could meet their standards. Now, they say that four-strokes or DI two-strokes can meet any of their standards -- and already have. __If you have any questions, my e-mail is tchickox@hotmail.com Tim Hickox
we need some two strokes to rip on them four strokes on the track!!

Modified 1972 Kawasaki H2 750 3 cylinder 2 stroke. Owned by Anthony Bruscella of SanDiego,California

4 strokes are destroying real motocross. They cost a fortune, sound like @%$, are no more eco-friendly than a 2 stroke, are getting tracks shut down, and make great riders (e.g Bubba) look ordinary. In summary, ban 4 strokes - the whole thing is an OEM conspiracy
Let's get real for a minute, are you telling me that riding my two stroke is polluting more than a factory or the space shuttle that does so much damage to the ozone. The deisel from our war effort I guarantee will outsmoke all of our 2 strokes and 4 strokes combined. If you are really concerned just do it and to hell with those that say we can't. Are they going to have trials police? Give me a break. Let's get away from complacancy, stand strong and say get back in your rig and get the heck out of here before we use your Gas Guzzling SUV as part of our race course. Then if they don't leave use it as an obstacle and put your Sherco on the roof and do some hops to leave a lasting impression. Don't worry, it won't get that bad. Let's not let some of the news media let us make this mole hill a mountain, OK
Bugger The environment, I ride a Kawasaki 750 H2! Anyway, you can't blame cars or bikes or anything else we have now for global warming. This planet was in an ice age once, and we wasn't around to cause global warning then. The planet is just getting warmer FACT! so get out on ya srokers and turn the air blue to the smell of Castrol R.
They say it is because of pollution, the fact thet the 2-stroke burns oil is bad. I guess the rocket scientists who came up with this idea has know clue obviously because diesel and jet fuel are oil. Let's wake up america.
2 strokes are the first and they will be the last I swear I will not go down without a damn fight scs
Riding a 2 Stroke takes more skill, and its funner. ^&#^#^ 4 stroke you dont even have to know how to play with the clutch. Real men ride 2-strokes!!! so don't follow the hype... double the displacement and everyone thinks a four stroke is faster... think again
2 Stroke 4 Live
you %$& hippies that want 2 strokes banned need to shove it because like this article below says that 2 stroke dirtbikes etc. do less than 1 or 2 percent of the damage of the air.
My car is 2 stroke!
Instead of banning the 2 stroke motorcycles, why not find another solutions like retrofitting, or addtives that makes the emmision be lessen ,maybe we need a help from engineers,
Most of the pollution is gargantuan SUVs, and not by 2-stroke bikes. So it does not make sense to ban 2-stroke street bike while ingnoring the SUV mileage problem.
A world without the stench of thick blue 2-stroke smoke is not worth living
2>4! Thats all i have to say...
you f$^&s let me ride my bike. %*& greens
2 strokes ^&%*&! Who wants to ride around looking like someone out of mad max? I see more smoke spewing out of those 2 stroke pieces of crap than any SUV!
2 stroke is a fast bike
I own a ktm 85sx and is the weakest motorcycle over earth!!! these motorcycle s^&%&s, they are only sound and nothing of power... 4-strokes rocks!!!!
do u have to premix the petrol with 2 stroke on a road bike
why should 2 strokes be banned when the typical american family car is around 4 litres and drinks petrol ike it was going out of fasion, thus contributing to the largest pollution producing place on the earth?? if theres a catalytic converter on them what is the problem?? long live 2 strokes!!!!
I like the benefits of 2-strokes. Light and fast. I wished that Yamaha and Kawasaki would have made a street legal 4 cylinder 2-stroke street bike when they had the chance. The exhaust note would have sounded like music from heaven.

1979 Yamaha IT400 2 stroke

2 strokes are the $#!+ screw you 4 stroke lovers...4 strokes are for ppl who cant handle 2 strokes!!
4 strokes s^%^k
If two strokes are to be banned then SUV's and anything using a V8 should be banned with them.
any rider can ride a 4 stroke because it bearly involves clutch, but when you can ride a 2 stroke and beat the 4's than you are a good rider and the 2 strokes always kicked &* and what are they going to do when it comes to the 80 and 60 classes, mini 4 strokes will s^&k so bad. But i would love to see 2 strokes come back they were the best bikes you could get its just that no company spends money to improve them anymore
I couldn't agree more, harleys are over rated ,2 strokes are way more fun , I'd rather ride a 100cc two stoke then any 1200 cc 4 cycle , its way more fun.
2 strokes rock 500cc all the way bring it!
back off *%*&! grow some &$&s!!
you *%*% tree huggers need to get your proirities straight! a$%oles!
four strokes are for those who dont have the $^%s to work a two-stroke!
Four strokes are 4 pussies who cant handle a two stroke powerband!!
2 strokes rule and are easier to tune. Long live the 1979 Yamaha RD400 F Daytona special
I think that most vehicles need to be improved in efficiency, two strokes are great fun though some four strokes are also fun (NC30 anyone?).
It takes about 20 years of brain washing to change things in society. About one generation.Honda & Yamaha are doing this now.You must support company's like KTM&Gas Gas who are not bad mouthing 2-strokes.The big 4 jap companies run the AMA. That's where the stupid rules are made.In the end 2-strokes will win, because it is a better design.When everyone owns a 4-stroke, the big four will come out with a revolutionary design (2-stroke).Everyone one will have to run out and buy one to be in style.Just like the style now is thump-thump.Like it was in the 50's till about 1966.
I like the 2 stroke engine because of it's power and light wait.
this is bull about all this crap they have all these power plants spewing out fumes but they have to pick on the pepole who just want to have fun
two is better than 4 %*%^*%*
2 strokes should not be banned PERIOD because they kick
I've been riding off-road for 20+ years. In that time I've only owned one 4-stroke, a '94 XR250. This bike was very quiet compared to modern 250 4-strokes. My son and I just attended the Arenacross in Albany, NY. We last attended this race in 2004 when there were still a number of 2-strokes racing in the 250 class. Whether it was the motocross-lites (250 4-strokes) or the 250/450 class (450 4-strokes), the sound was deafening. During each race my son covered his ears. IMHO the manufacturers have taken a huge step backwards. Excessive noise has been the main killer of off-road riding areas. While most of the "new generation" 4-strokes meet the mandated decibel level for exhaust noise, most riders add an aftermarket exhaust system to get that extra horsepower or two, which they will never need. In short the 4-strokes are killing our sport.
whats the point in banning them,
two stroke till death
If we didnt have 2 strokes we would all be fat couch patatoes, because they say when you hop on a four stroke you get lazy, keep on a singin two strokes.
I have ridden 2-strokes all my life not because I don't know any better but because they are better
I have a rs 50 and i think its the best 2 stroke on the plannet. the acceleration is brilliant and the handiling is great. the only problem is that after 13,000 mile the engine needs a rebuild. I think 2 stroke bikes are the best
Can't beat the rush of a 2 stroke
WE BUY THEM LET US RIDE EM
two strock has pickup
the government can ban them now but it does not stop us saving what are left!!!I keep my powervalve in the bedroom ,beats waking up to the wifes face!!!!
i lve rideing my totally restored 1981 yz125 yep 4v2 old school water cooled cant beat the power the sound also my82 it250 speed kills live forever ride a 4 stroke
4 strokes cost more to repair and put out the same db. Amsoil has oil out that reduces premix smoke so it levels the exhaust output.
No matter what we are all going to die sometime, so let us riders be and let us enjoy life the way we like to.
Of course there is global warming;we just came out of an ice age!duh 32:1 klotz mixed with av gas The staff of life!
don't stop making 2 strokes.. they sound great. go great. and are more responsive.
i love 2 stroke i had a 2 stroke made a 125 YPVS 2 stroke and i miss it so much :(
all you 4 stroke bastards let me ride my 2 stroke and that's the way i want it. If i didn't want power i would get a 4 stroke but i love my power and the sound and jsut the feel of it so whoever wants to band 2 strokes can jsut go themselves
2 strokes are faster, make more cool noise, and are easier to fix and cheaper, its fine, the govt needs ot stay out of this

1997 HONDA CR 500 2 stroke

i just got a CR 500 i have so much respect for it its a killer. thay realy should bring them back
1977 Suzuki Pe250b, P.E
Why you guys talking about 4 strokes that way? Theres nothing wrong with them? There banning 2 strokes, nothing to do with 4 stroke retards.. In reply to the guy that said that 4 stroke are for people that cant ride 2 strokes, now days 4 strokes blow away 2 strokes, you need
Down with 4 stroke!My idea is to save on the 2 strokes emmissions give it a belly pan so you can have the crank and rod lubed up.More Relibility with out sacraficing speed and sound like a turd!
Long live the 2 strokes there bark has been a trademark sound of a sunday arvo in the suburbs or out in the bush for years!
THE GOVERNMENT NOTHIN IS AS MUCH FUN AS A 2 STROKER
1.I've a Rgv 250 stink pot in the garage, only this nanny state could think of banning such a great bike-if the government is so worried about global warming lets ban the 4x4 muppets first.
i have a yz 125 and i love the speed and my friend has a yz 250f and he love riding my bike
theres no reason to ban 2-strokes. 2-strokes are the best bikes ever built. everybody but yamaha is putting most of their money into their 4's, 2's cant be beat. in 2007 2-strokes wont be allowed to race, which &$*# because i just bought a 2 and now i wont be able to race. 4's should be the ones to be banned, ive had both a 4 and a 2 and 2's put out the most power and have 'the' sound of the dirtike.
$&^ those tree hugging hippies. If some desk jockey can drive a V-10 deiseil truck to his computer programming job, then I can ride my bike for few hours a week.
$&^$& globel worming let us ride ower 2 strokes n have fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why take away 2 strokes the ^*&%& goverment will loose money if they take them away because all he wants is MONEY 2 strokes should NOT be band from this world!!!
The few dino's remaining won't kill our world and our children ! Keep them rollin ' !!
I Have a CR125 and love it
wat bike is a bike with no two stroke.if you want a real bike buy a two stroke bike thank you
2-stroke smells best :D
they can take my two stroke away if they can catch me on it lol - dj_spike@orange.net
I've got a YZ125 ain't no-one gonna stop me from riding my little beauty.
I think that banshees should go on for ever because they're the best 350 on earth and it should stay that way too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2strokes are for the skiled rider take that away and its not as fun. they can teach u control techniques u cant learn on a crappy 4
long live 2strokes
I don't see anything in the U.S. Constitution that allows the U.S. government to ban our personally owned vehicles.
i love my rm 250. its my life and all i have...please dont take it away from me!!!!!
i have an 05 trx 300ex and it will woop a 2 stroke cuz it's real fast, but i still like 2 strokes
i love my 2-sroke and i want to keep it i have been riding for six years and i'm 11 please don't take away the 2-strokes.
The pollution issue which is used to justify the phaseout of 2-strokes is simply nonsense. Technology is available to manufacture highly efficient and low emission fuel injected 2 stroke engines. But alas, the pollution debate is not alwasy based on rational assessment.
yamahas are the best ever bikes made in india they are giants.350 is father all the bikes in india
^*&%*& americans and their stupid laws- land of the free - do what you want
We should ban the ama they are at fault there short sightedness and careless rule making has put to end a great era of motocross history die ama die
Flatheads forever!
I am 15 and ive been riding 2 strokes for 14 years dont bann them
We need Shifty from New Zealand!
Hands OFF the 2 smoke, nothing like the smell of castor oil......
all those tree hugers can go drive their hybrids and we can ride our two strokes. if they want to baned twostrokes they all can go ^%$ themselves.
i love two strokes and i have been riding them all my life. i never rode a four stroke and i dont want to start now. im 12 thats a long time to not ride a two stroke. so please dont take my two stroke!
all u 4 stroke luvers can shove it.only real men ride two strokes. all u 4 stroke luvers are a bunch of $&$^%$^#^%$# u 4 strokes
I have a 1988 500 quadzilla and it runs 80mph and what stock 4 stroke will run that?!!!
2-strokes are extremely efficient engines producing twice as much power compared to a four stroke, i dont see why manufactures don't invest more in direct injection on larger two stroke bikes instead of just on the 50cc bikes.
It has been proven, 2-stroke engines burn cleaner than most blubbering 4-strokes..... why is Chrysler trying to introduce a 6 cylinder 2-stroke power plant for their cars... why is the Government trying to squash it (they say there was no O2 sensor on the exhaust.... 2-strokes don't need an O2 sensor!)???? Long live the big bore 2-strokes.
2 strokes are the pride of Motorcross and who ever thought of 4 strokes suck balls. 4 strokes are worthless pieces of shit. 2 Strokes should always be something that a person can rely on. I'm defenitly on the 2 stroke side.
two strokes rule they sound good and even better ween the power band kicks in.
POLITICAL AGENDAS WILL KILL THIS PLANT LONG,LONG,LONG..BEFORE MY TWO-STROKE! LET ME BE HAPPY BEFORE THEY KILL THE PLANET!!:}D.R.B.MPLS
i am also doing a speech on dirtbike 2 stroke ban
2 stroke= less weight more power =spanked 4poke
we should ban the escalade and bring back the RZ
Who cares that there are four strokes out there tehre good bike JUST LEAVE THE 2 STROKE ALONE! I love my 2 stroke! Ride red till the dea your dead!
Britten v1000 would blow away any pussy little 2stroke, a 4stroke is mans bike unlike 2strokes which are screaming little girly bikes. 2STROKES THEY ARE CRAP BAN THEM!!! (ps the only good 2strokes are detroit diesels series 53,71 and 92)
Into my blood flow 2 strokes oil! The bike is a dreeam!
My FZ750 got OWNED by an RD350! I went 2 stroke and never went back.
2 strokes are the best bikes on earth they have the most power so dont stop making them.
jesus would ride a 2 stroke!!
I HAVE A 04 KTM 300EXC BUDDIE HAS HONDA XR650R BOTH HAVE 11 LITRE TANKS HE RUNS OUT OF FUEL AT ABOUT 100 KM AND I CAN GO AT LEAST 130KM AND OUT ACCELERATE BY A LONG SHOT AND AFTER ABOUT 2KILOMETERS AT FULL THROTTLE HE CAN ONLY JUST CREEP BY ME PS. MY BIKE IS A STOCK 2 STROKE AND HIS IS A 4 STROKE WITH A POWER UP KIT
the 2 strokes have more power then a 4 stroke
WTF is wrong with 2 strokes, when there's dumbass nascars driving around in circles and wasting gas. its all about handling the turns!!!
2 stroke will spanked 4 strokes all day with less displacement and all. less weigth too and they just look better unless you're talking about street bikes well then four strokes . but buy what you like because i know one thing ones you get on that 2 stroke you wont get off. jajaja .15. cr85rb
250 2stroke vs 250 4stroke? 2stroke wops its &$%#s itll never be the same without 2 strokes LEAVE EM THE OZONE IS ALREDY SCREWED
Banning any type of engine is bad. The moron who wants one banned over the other will only see his choice as the next target. Wake up people!!!
4 strokes are for dumb pamsy rednecks!!! 2 strokes will devower a redneck 4 stroke ? Real men ride 2 strokes.
Who ever thought of banning 4 strokes, *%%* 4 strokes. Self sentered little %$^&!!!
Jet Skis and Bikes UNITE!! Leave the 2 Strokes alone!!
I love the smell of 2 stroke motor oil!!
Long live the 2 strokes F*&%^*& the 4 strokes!!!!!!!!!!
f*@ the whales save the 2 strokes
Any more then 2 strokes is a wank!
I believe four-strokes are the future of mx. I just came off a two stroke and got onto a 4. And i like it way better than a two stroke....2 strokes shouldnt be banned or anything like that, its just that they will eventually die off. _dont take my comments personally
4 strokes own all you hicks
omg the two strokes hurt the enviroment f them power plants hurt the earth more so the goverment can kiss my white S
Still kick A.. on two strokes!# 681
soll jeder fahren,was ihm gefällt !
f the goverment
Kill those 909 #$%@*&##$ who've voted against 2 strokes!!! BLOODY *&^@#$%&^&@#$!@#!!!!!!
CR500R's RULE!, If 2 strokes are outlawed, only us outlaws will have them. I do however think Honda did a good thing making the 450 4 stroke, gives us a new chassis to put out 2 stroke 500's into, cuz everyone knows the 4 strokes are like owning a dodge, take out a mortgage to keep her runnin, or park it in the bush!
2 strokes are the best f@!k the people who wanna ban 2 strokes, we just wanna ride bikes not get f@!ked around!
i currently ride a ktm 2005 85sx and i love it!!! my dad has a yzf426 and i keep telling him to get a proper 2 stroke but he reckons there panzy bikes, there not!!!!! there the best kinda motorcycle eva made!!!!
Fill them 2 strokes with thermite, and ignite those crap sounding scooter engines and use the molten metal for something usefull!
to much polution good acceleration though
2 strokes rule! what cud b better than a mad power surge tryna spit u off at all times, with an awsome whining baking trak. 2strokes4eva
My 2 Stroke is awesome, never got the same experience from 4's
two strokes are f junk
would you fly in an airplane that used a sh two stroke?
dont sell smoke credits to al gore
Kill all those $#@%&*#@ who say 2 strokes should be banned!!! BLOODY MO@#$R F#$*&*S!!!!!!
kids dont smoke ride a 4 strroke
2 stroke 4 ever
4-strokes are the reason tracks are being closed down, they are way too loud.
who the f*# made this rule.2 stroke is the king of all.
i happen t won a 750 2stroke Yamaha 1 cyl thumper dirtbike and i have beat the sh outa brand new ninjas at the drag strip.
THE GOVERNMENT KNOW S TAKE A LOOK AT THEM!!!
2 stroke engines can be clean!! Please update the Bimota 500 V-due with modern electronics!! That engine is a real orgastic!!
4 strokes are for ers who cant exept the power of 2 strokes I.E. CR 250
who ever wants to ban 2 strokes is super ugly and can eat my butt
2 strokes r slow, thing of the past
A direct high pressure injection MX bike similar to the evinrude E-Tec outboard technology would make a crazy amount of power at allrpm ranges with emmissions similar to a four stroke.
2-strokes should be allowed in America.2-strokes are very fun to ride and that's why I have one.
nothing can touch a cr500 tho.....
2 strokes with injection !!!!!
Im only 10 years old and I think two stroks kick SS
2 STROKES RULE
i own a Vespa PX125 and have a lot of friends who have Lambrettas and vespas by banning 2 stroke this would kill of a great english tradition that has passed down from generation to generation i wsnt my 2 sons to experiance all the things i have riding out to Rallys etc banning 2 stroke would destroy a tradition
Read "Design and simulation of two-stroke engines" by Blair Fact: 2 strokes can be cleaner than 4 strokes if properly designed
f the whales, save the 2 strokes
4 strokes have ruined motocross. I'd rather watch a 'ki netball match than a motocross gp now. Here in the UK we now have a 2 stroke only series - the revolution is on. This is all about what honda (with a small h) want. Don't buy their ste products. W*nkrs.
4-strokes are like tampons.every pussy has one. ride 2-strokes all you 4-stroke $^%%f
Could a Motorcycle company please make a modern Direct Injection 2 Stroke Sportbike. Please!!!! 4 strokes are soo boring and I refuse to upgrade to a new bike until there is something worth buying!
Hey Mike my name is Hank Im 10 years old and I live in Rockland PA. I think two strokes kick ss and if you dont think so go h345 your dog
Pull your heads out! A small 2 stroke engine emits more green house gases than a bus!!!
Future in 2-stroke technology BIMOTA 500v-due; first two-stroke motorcycle in more than 10 years to meet the EPA requirements of all 50 states in the USA
Thanks to govt. regulation we can say goodbye to simple, lightweight, and inexpensive power for everything from weed trimmers to motorcycles.
my yamaha 175 2 stroke from 1973 will own and 4 stroke 175 anyday. 2 strokes have way more power compared to any 4 stroke, my friends honda ns50 from 1990 is 2 stroke, it redlines at 11500 rpm and compared to the 4 stroke xr80 it kills it every time. KEEP THE TWO STROKES ALIVE!!!
2 stroke cheap cheap cheap 4 stroke $$$$$$
4-strokes ARE whales. KILL the whales , save the 2-stroke !
2 strokes do have their place, but, have you ridden a modern 4 stroke lately?
IF YOU DON'T RIDE A 2-STROKE THEN %*& YOU
I AM WITH ALL THE GUYS AND GALS IN FAVOR OF KEEPING OUR 2 STROKERS!!!! HERES A SIMPLE TEST. TAKE A 250CC YAMAHA YZ AND MATCH IT UP WITH ANY 4 STROKE 250CC OF CHOICE, AND I WILL BET ANYONE WHOS WILLING THAT WITH AN EXPERIENCED RIDER ON BOTH BIKES THE 4 STROKE HAS NOT GOT A SNOWBALLS CHANCE IN H@@L!!!! LEAVE OUR 2 STROKE BIKES AND SMALLER SCOOTS ALONE!!!! DAMN BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS!!!! LONG LIVE THE 2 STROKE!!!!!
I OWN 5, THATS RIGHT 5, HONDA AERO 125 SCOOTERS. ANYONE WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THIS SCOOT KNOWS THEY ARE 2 STROKE BIKES AND AS WELL KNOWS EXACTLY HOW WELL THEY PERFORM. I WOULD NOT TRADE ALL 5 OF MY BIKES FOR A TRUCK LOAD OF THE NEWER 4 STROKE SCOOTS!!!! I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIDE A 150CC 4 STROKE SCOOT ONE DAY AND IT DROPPED DOWN TO AROUND 25 ON AN HARD UPHILL CLIMB WITH MY 300LB + OR - A ON IT. I CAN CLIMB ONTO EITHER ONE OF MY 2 STROKE SCOOTS AND TOP THE SAME HILL AT 45 +. AND MIND YOU MY BIKES ARE 25CC LESS IN ENGINE SIZE. SO TO ALL THOSE WHO WISH TO BAN THE 2 STROKE BIKES, YOU WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF AND LEAVE THE REST OF US TO DECIDE FOR OURSELVES!!!! IT IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE, AND GUESS WHAT???? I CHOOSE 2 STROKES!!!!! LEAVE OUR BIKES ALONE!!!!
Mine's a little YZ80. It's small/safe for me and easy to ride, no 4-stroke can be this, why be a jerk & take away what others enjoy...it' s really not such a free world sfterall, is it?
There are so few these days that can appreciate the engineering in 2-stroke engines..long may they live
Yes! 2-strokes are the best and I plan on keeping my CR500 bad-s!
2 strokes are super bike and should be kept alive to represent it's class.

1974 Suzuki GT 750 2 stroke

I like 4 strokes, but I want an option to buy a 2-stroke. If my 4-stroke motocross engine goes, it will set me back over $1000. A 2-stroke, probably $200. I think the Idea of a 2-stroke series is a good one. Wish we would do that in the US! Let us have choice!
Two strokes are the best. i have ride bikes for 2 years now nd im still in high school. if you get stop the 2 strokes half of the people cant ride peroid. 2 strokes are cheaper, they put out less pollution than the 4 strokes. the also put out more power. the freakin manufacters are ruining all of our fun. first they got ride of the 500's, those things were a blast, and now their trying to stop the 4 strokes. theres no reason for it. so just make the bikes that we want. and let us worry about everything else.
I have been racing 2 smokers for 18 years now and i will never buy a 4 banger!! i hate them!! this is a just a con by the japaneese and the AMA to part the average racer for more money!!!!!!!
not fast without mixed gas.
The only thing wrong with 2 strokes is the noise.
youve got to change oil in four strokes every ride or the sh$& boxes blow up, plus oil filters and the way they go threw valves gost more to run so who is more enviromently friendly? id say the good old 2stroke
FOUR strokes rule. 2 strokes are the whimpiest pieces of crap. My yzf426(4 stroke) whoops the s$& out of a cr500(2 stroke)
i raced 2 strokes for three years and now i am on a four banger and i think just beacuse 2strokes make more nosie is no reason for us to bann them if we bann them from the races there will be no comp for the four stroke
2 strokes are the best! they sound nicer, smell better, cheaper to repair, more fun, and more of a challenge to ride fast (thats a good point!)
THe last year they they make a KX250 I will buy three and store two. I'll be able to have my favourite dirtbike untile I retire!!!!
yea 2 strokes are the best....Sure lots of pro's riding them....stewrt carmicheal,reed, ....ect
Unfortunately Go green kawies didnt go green fast enough or any other manufactures. 2 strokes are a lot of fun but you have to control the blue.I believe the next few years there will be some big changes in the industries and will effect all bikes so have fun and eat some mud
$%&& all you 4 stroke haters!! I don't want to see the 2 strokes get banned but now what I see some of you writing about 4 strokes, Ban the ^%*%*&%*&%&*!! I'll beat any you on my 450!
I say ban the 2strokes!! I'll beat any one you all on my 450! ricky carmicheal was running faster laps on a 4stroke than a 2!! so if your saying 4 strokes are slow! than you better do some research!!
4 strokes are for LAWNMOWERS
im replying to the guy who sais 4 strokes kill to strokes... yea if you have a 450 2 stroke racing a 250 2 stroke lol... race a 250 2stroke with a 250 4 stroke see who wins &$%& ut
to all you who say that just cuz pros ride two strokes they are better well there ^$%&y 's let me ride my two stroke i love the smell of two stroke gas in the moring cuz if you ain't mixing gas you aint kickin ss
the TWO stroke was in vented by sir dugalg clark in 1958 march 30 i am forteen and ride two strokes &$%& all those tree huggin flat head hippies
the devil ride a tracker lozer ban four strokes
all i have 2 say is the noisier the engine the better and the 2 stroke fits the bill ROCK ONN
sweet blue smoke 'n screamin' noiz forevah!!!
Bmbba....Brrrr.....Brrrrrrrrr....BRRRRRRRRRRRAM.Ba...BAM ....BAM..BA.BAM :) :) :) ----<===>- <;.:,'.;*,.":;
Ban Joan Claybrook and Ralph Nader instead.
if you aint mixin the gas your a f$%#ing dumb a$$!!!!!!!!!
I love 2 strokes and 4 strokes, the point is neither should be banned!!! 2 stroke lovers should embrace what 4 strokes can do and likewise for 4 stroke lovers to 2 strokes. Both have advantages and disadvantages and so lets get focused on corporate corruption that create these ridiculous laws through mass brainwashing and lobbyist control of congress and ultimately corruption at the top levels of government via the revolving door. We are losing our right to choose to criminals. Now face it and do something about it! Oil men killed JFK. Hint Hint
Evinrude ETEC is a 2-stroke engine that runs cleaner than the 4-stroke engines. Can that technology be used for bikes?
all i have to f%^4strokes long live all 2strokes
HOW ARE THEY GOING TO STOP 2 STROKES THEY HAVE TO CATCH US FIRST PLUS THE SOUND IS A BUTIFUL THING
please save the 2 stroke
two strokeds are far superior to there fat lazy cousins simlp because they weigh less and are capable of reachig a higher rev limit therefore making them a better engine,so up yours you fourstroke fools
If you mix the fuel right they're cleaner than any five year old diesel truck..
How can a few minimally used recreational vehicles even come close to the enviromental travesty of the full sized SUV or air travel etc etc etc...
I go through 2 gallons of gas a week on my 2-stroke, How many do you burn w/your car ?
look guys as much as we love 2 strokes they are still banning them so we are ft but enjoi it while it lasts
Direct anj obital injection are going to save the day for 2 strokers
My 2004 KX 500 is the true meaning of " insanity in its pureist form " You can call me crazy, but I bet you can*t catch me. 2stroke 4sure.
damn guys stop hatin on the suv's and trucks with 8 cylinders without them we wouldnt be able to get our 2 strokes around in bulk =-}
hi yea 2 strokes should not be band but i have 2 admit they are alot of maintenance then again the 4 stroke race modeles are 2 ae well yea if they made a kx 65 or 85 or any of the 2 strokes id be happy!!!
fourstrokes too loud,expensive,heavy, hardstarting and kind of boring to ride.The jump from 80s to 250fs is to great weight, starting power ect.With 2 strokes to be fast you have know how to ride along with tune carb,fuel,mix ect.Four strokes to easy till they blow up then expensive scott fittshur A class D16
fs let us ride our two strokes
dudes? What about the air? I have an idea! Lets all commit mass suicide! It is cleaner that way! And remember that your kids breathe that smoke, too. If you do have kids since your l off because of all the fumes...
Two strokes are harder to ride, but way more fun!
hell no dont baned them u whant to go fast mix ur gass
strokes suck, they make no power and sound like a fart. 2 stroke for life.
Tree hugging hippies die! I hope you get hit by a banshee doing 80!!!
I am currently riding a '82 IT 465 on the week ends and still lovin' it! I do like some of the new 4 stroke thumpers, but I'll always have a soft spot for the 2 strokes!
i love 2 strokes why would we ban somethin that halls ss
I LOVE 2 STROKE
man i think the goc can take the band and stick it up there a cause thers way worse things then a 2 stroke dirtbike there full of sh!!!!!
modern DI 2 strokes are brilliant. light,powerful and economical. I wish someone would start making big road bikes with this technology.
My banshee kicks any 4 strokes s
4 strokes sk 2 strokes are the best
First they will take your 2 stroke, next they will come for your four strokes. What make people think the envirmentalist will be happy When there are still things burning fuel that can be banned?
where is the scientific evidence to support a ban?
bbrrrraaapppppppop not pppppppfffffplop.....4 fgs.
i love my dirt bike its was more peppy with a 2 stroke
If you ain't mixin gas, you ain't kicking arse.
yeaa 2 strokes kick a
2 strokes are faster then 4s
two strokes are cancer incarnate. Im sick of tasting gas mix.
never in a million years will any one ever get a four stroke to produce the power of a 2 stroke in band on full song i race a yamaha 350 2stroke quad in stock standard form havent even pulled the factory mufflers off and i can kill a yamaha 660 quad that has had some fat work done to it tell me a four stroke is better, the proof is in the race every month on a saturday same flat track same score same trophy in my cabinet to add to the collection FOUR STROKES A SLOW AND LACK POWER.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS TRY AND TEAR UP A 2 STOKE ENGINE IT IS PRETTY TOUGH TO ACOMPLISH,NOT ONLY ARE THEY TOUGH BUT THEY DELIVER POWER A 4 STROKE CANT TOUCH,I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO RIDE MY 2 STROKE UNTIL THEY PRY MY FAT FINGERS OFF OF THE HANDLE BARS
2-stroke Yamaha ate 4-stroke Honda's for breakfast!! Bring them BACK!!!!
wat bloody idiot would vote yes...and govt knows bests mate..NO WAY !! let us ride our bikes =] LOSSERRSS!!
cant we all just be happy and ride our dirtbike 2 strokes or 4 strokes?
Banning is always a bad thing. Sound regulations may improve technical achievement and that is the way to go
Farmers ride 4 strokes! Men ride 2 t's! Ride It Like You Stole It!!! Joe
wr 200 rules
keep your KDX 200 2-stroke running at cyclepedia.com
Two strokes rock so just shut up and let me ride
I love the RZ350 and RZ500 that I had. I still enjoy my TZR today. Nimble and fast. Outruns most 600cc 4 strokers! GRrrrrEAT BIKE!!!
2-stroke kick a^*^*& against 4-stroke for the sam engine size so screw the 4-stroke
doubt about it and its probably city folks who dont like them so they can just go back to the damn city
Make a fourstroke that doesn't constantly cost the rider high maintenance in valve adjustment's and rebuilds....For example...It cost me 2000.00 just to rebuild the topend of a Yamaha YZ426F. I road it one year before the valves needed more work...My friend had two new Honda's, a CRF450R, a CRF250X...Both were junk after less than two years. We both now ride 250 twostrokes...His, a Honda CR250 & mine, a Yamaha YZ250....THEY ROCK!!! If they ban twostrokes, only outlaws will own them....you will find me there...J.H./IDAHO
Four strokes sk blls, all they do is bogg out and hesitate the throttle responce is sickening! I will never ride a four stroke ever again, Two strokes For life!
you guys sk 4 strokes ROCK MOTHER FS 4 FOR EVER
All I got to say is. If you where stroked 2 Times Right on! if you got Stroked 4 Times You got Screwed!!!! Quated By Me Wicked M.S. USA! LONG LIVE 2 STROKE TECHNOLOGIE!!!
2 strokes are by far better. they have power ban which takes skill to ride more than a 4 stroke. live on 2 strokes
I`m sure any doctor would tell you that having two strokes is better than having four strokes .
Well no dates on this but I hope its recent. its good to know that there are still a lot of people who care about the best type of bike engine.....you know....the one that all the idiots got together and managed to ban from the prmier class cos it was toooooo good and would never be beaten by a normally aspirated junk 4 stroke. They should let the 500 2 strokes compete now the 4 strokes are limited to 800cc. I reckon with a year of development the 500s would be winning again. Shame but I bet no one who can change how things are now will ever read any of these comments. Still at least we tried. Ben (uk)
i am 13 and just learning how to ride a 2 stroke so they better not bann them or there will be problems in the world with peaple who ride like us.....
save the two strokes motorcycles life isnt life without them save them
have a 1973 yamaha RD 350 and it kicks ss! On the starting line I can smoke any poor little 4 stroke out there..lol... so anyone with a 4 stroke put it away and go with the real bikes, the 2 strokes!!!
too many ahles in our sport now. don't let them take away the most powerful c.c. for c.c. bikes ever made!!!!
why stop 2 strokes when 4 strokes are still creating polution as well
In Brazil, TWO STROKES Survives!!!!
They better not ban them or someone shall be ruined!
Strokers were here before their futile counterparts and I'd bet my life that the last running petrol engine on this planet will be a stroker. I can almost taste the oil :-)
I like 2 strokes but they are wreaking the enviorment thanks for global warming.
Four strokes are gay, we need the Two Strokes, let me ride my bike, two strokes for life!!!
4strokes are for pussys
bought a yzf450,an after 1st ride could,t believe the heavy,lazy peice of st i had bought,an traded in in next day 4 a 2stroke yz250.finally happy.long live the 2stroke till death
why not persue the fuel injection route to clean up the engines polution levels
Yes the 2 stroke is a far superior design, if we did not have them we would be hailing them as the greatest thing since sliced bread, it's unfortunate that we've come to this place and i really like the energy of all the comments but what we need is to pull together and fight for the right to return the best. thank you
let me ride what the hell i wanna ride
I've got some 2 STROKES and they RULE !!! Valve's are for a car and toilets. MauriceRD from The Netherlands
I STILL NEED TO GET ONE, LIVE FOR EVER 2 STROKE, WHO NEED A 4 STROKE WHEN THERE ARE 2 STROKE!!!!!!
there quick
4-stroke better 2-stroke kills enviorment
2 stroke is simpler, easier to work on, and NOT "worse for the environment" (" "=most abused argument of the century)
Riding a 2 Stroke takes more skill, and its funner. ^&#^#^ 4 stroke you dont even have to know how to play with the clutch.
2 strokes are the first and they will be the last I swear I will not go down without a damn fight scs
They say it is because of pollution, the fact thet the 2-stroke burns oil is bad. I guess the rocket scientists who came up with this idea has know clue obviously because diesel and jet fuel are oil. Let's wake up america.
Bugger The environment, I ride a Kawasaki 750 H2! Anyway, you can't blame cars or bikes or anything else we have now for global warming. This planet was in an ice age once, and we wasn't around to cause global warning then. The planet is just getting warmer FACT! so get out on ya srokers and turn the air blue to the smell of Castrol R.
Let's get real for a minute, are you telling me that riding my two stroke is polluting more than a factory or the space shuttle that does so much damage to the ozone. The deisel from our war effort I guarantee will outsmoke all of our 2 strokes and 4 strokes combined. If you are really concerned just do it and to hell with those that say we can't. Are they going to have trials police? Give me a break. Let's get away from complacancy, stand strong and say get back in your rig and get the heck out of here before we use your Gas Guzzling SUV as part of our race course. Then if they don't leave use it as an obstacle and put your Sherco on the roof and do some hops to leave a lasting impression. Don't worry, it won't get that bad. Let's not let some of the news media let us make this mole hill a mountain, OK
The devil rides a tractor - ban $#^%# 4 strokes!
2 strokes are the #$&$# best dont ban em
my 2 stroke sounds like a 4 stroke, wtf?
Just because a bunch of tree huggin' hippies complained the rest of us shouldn't have to lose our toys if they don't like it the should move to a place where people don't know how to have a good time like Iraq where they have to worry about getting murdered instead of the air quality. TWO STROKES WILL ALWAYS RULE.
If you ride a 4 stroke on a Sunday, chances are you wear a dress on a Saturday night. Real mx bikes are 2 strokes. Ban 4 strokes before they kill the sport with the noise issue, and bore everyone to death.
aight first off 4 strokes just %$&... if your gonna go out and race a 4 stroke your not really a motorcyclist your a little pussy doing it for money and not for fun... riding and racing a 4 stroke is like driving a damn mini van instead of a lamborghini. hey if you want to go put a 450 4 stroke in a race with a 2 stroke how bout we put a 450 2 stroke and see how that works out... 4 strokes suck end of story... they cost more... much less fun... and any 250 four stroke can go eat my yz 250s %^ cuz its not keeping up with it even when my yz's idleing... hey go get urself a 450 four stroke ill go get a kx 500 or cr 500 2 stroke... wanna race with that? no you probably wouldnt... 2 strokes arnt half as bad as they are said to be... hey bush why dont u go %$& a *$^& or somthing no one likes u... why dont we just go bomb iraq thats gonna solve all our problems... hey look bin laden just took out the twin towers lets go attack iraq? hey %$&^ wrong country... bin laden lives in afganistan good job ;-) I ride a 2 stroke and im proud as hell of it so if u wanna say 4 strokes r better get ur ^%$ over here nd race me i dont care if u have a 4 stroke 450 ill burn ur *^$ with my 2 stroke 250 any day
THis is b/s love 2 strokes(rm250) they should make them run cleaner like a exaust cleaner in the pipe i dont care if its quiet just as long as they keep making 2 strokes .... frome angelo my s/n is ddmracing125
My 2 stroke is TOO FAST!To be banned
2 STROKES HAVE TEN TIMES THE POWER BAND THAT A 4 STROKE WILL EVER HAVE BRING ON THE 4 STROKES
2-strokes are engines that are lighter,lot more powerful,allow low center of gravity...therefore they cannot be ever banned because it does not make sense to any normal person!
Just another thing "Big Brother" wants to control in his typical HALF A**ED way!!!
Just another thing "Big Brother" wants to control in his typical HALF A**ED way!!!
They have to physically take it away!With a big fight.
I say F*#@! Y*# to the man. Theres no stroke like a 2 stroke
^%&* all u c%^$s who dnt like 2 strokes jst cuz u cnt handle that they ^^#$t all ova 4 strokes.
1Let $*&$%*& two strokes be... $^& the goverment of California...$#%#^ CARB...I got a joke "Four Strokes are like Tampons every pussy's got one" hehe
over my dead body will they ever take my 2 stroke
I think We Should Respect The Enviroment, but Modern 2-srokes, with fuel injection, and catlaylic convertors, and improved chamber ciurcluation, are very good, and for small engines are better than 4-strokes , because of simplicity, and better power to cc ratio, which is important for cc restricted vehicles such as mopeds.
No matter what you guys keep saying they are gonna get banned!!! They are $&^$&^ pieces of $^%^$ that need to be done away with.. They sound like a weedeater.. Grow some balls and live with it! Oh and to the funny guy that had a joke, i think you should line up with reed carmichael and stewart and than tell me whos a pussy eatin the other guys roost!
I have a 1993 yz80 and I can even beat a four stroke 250 and it is three times as big. bottom line screw four strokes they $%^&k! 2 STROKES for LIFE!!! rock on!!! by:kory
I have a 1993 yz80 and I can even beat a four stroke 250 and it is three times as big. bottom line screw four strokes they ^%k! 2 STROKES for LIFE!!! rock on!!! by:kory
2 stroke let it just be another motor you can have why not hane ever thing dont bann any thing
come on people in the uk let us ride our bikes plz i wont have no were ellse to ride dem
my RD rules
Pussy's ride four strokes! Because, you can't ride a 2 stroke. 2 strokes are for the original rider-- see Jeremy Mcgrath. I'll take a 4 stroke in the hole shot any day. So shut up or blow up your 4 stroke and see how much it cost U. Tweeser!!! Team D.A.D.T.
2 srokes are the best. i love the brooooop! sound of them. dont ban them. they kick ass
2 strokes rock, they say 4 strokes have more power, why do you see 2 strokes have more top speed and accelaration
two strokes rock. with a little r&d could be fast an clean as four stroke easy
Being a smaller rider, 2-strokes are lighter, and in my opinion, just more fun
62 strokes kick
2 stroke over 4 stroke any day!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If 2-Strokes are banned i would have got no bike because all of my bikes are 2strokes and they are the best, much better than the 4-stroke ones!!!
If 2-Strokes are banned i would have got no bike because all of my bikes are 2strokes and they are the best, much better than the 4-stroke ones!!!
Aprillia and Piaggio have the technology to save the 2-stroke,it will be expensive but clean. Jim
2strokes have came a long way if you dont like them dont ride them. it aint fast if you dont mix the gas
lets have a one litre three cylinder two stroke in moto gp then we will see how fast the four strokes are!!!
2strokes dont use enuf gas to suport the oil co. that run the guverment so out thay go.
sorry, but I LOVE BLUE SMOKE!!!! the look and sound of a stuttering popping expansion chamber with a nice thick blue cloud... well I have always loved it TOO MUCH!!! Get over it and let us ride!
last guy was a #$& 2 strokes rule
yah i think banning these 2 stokes is total bull ****thats the only thing i race
THERES NOTHING LIKE A TWO STROKE POWER BAND AND QUICK TRODDLE RESPONSE.LET US RIDE OR LET US DIE.
Hell yea iwant 2 strokes. Whoever wants them to be they are dumb
2-stokes r osm.they r so much fastr and SHOULDNT b banned
2-strikes r osm let us ride them!!!!!
hell no, i love my cr125, its my baby...lol
Luckily they don't plan anything like that here in Finland yet, I love my 2-stroke RD...
I love 2 stroke
The EPA is paying companies and rides to ride 4 strokes and are brain washing society to ride 4 strokes. Everyone thinks that 4 stokes are better. If they are better (which they're not) why does a 250 have to race in the 125 class? Then some people say 2 strokes can't have bottom end, thats BS you can adjust and tune a 2 stroke to what ever you want it to have. 4 strokes have the same crappy power range no matter what you do. LONG LIVE 2 STROKE!!!!!!
I think everyone should spell correctly if there writting something everyones reading, but yes banning 2 strokes is bull stuff.
The only thing 2 stroke engines do is release more toxins into our air supply. It is not the engine that wins races. Trust me when I tell you, it is all about the rider. If you are against 4 strokes, ride one. Or are you too scared of its power?
All you %^$&^ that what to ban the 2 strokes are either tree hugging types or you're tired of getting your rear end kicked by a 2 stroke.
2-strokes kick ass.....
the smell of klotz is sick
Im only 14 years old ,I have a 2-stroke dirt-bike myself,in school im doing a speech on why they shouldn't ban the 2 strokes.I love to ride!I practice every wednesday at RJ moto sport track in Barrie Ontario and i say NO TO BANNING THE 2 STROKE MOTOR!
*&%&* 4-strokes, And &^%*& all you tree humping ^%$&
f all you two stroke hating sons of bitches
my 250sx is mad like it blows 450cc tractors off all the time
2 strokes 4 life!! its not the 2 stroke thats polluting its all the cars because america is letting 2 many people in that arnt suppost 2 be here!!
people who own 4 strokes are just mad because 2 strokes walk the dog on them
say no to drugs yes to two strokers and beer and women
I just purchased 2 brand new 2006 yz125s for my 2 sons and they are state of the art 2 stroke motocross bikes.... I think 2 strokes should have their own class to race in.... 2 strokes have been the flag ship racing engine for motocross for as long as I can remember.... 2 stroke engines produce more horse power and that is why they allow these no horse power 4 stroke 250 tractor engines bikes to race against the 2 stroke 125 real horse power engine bikes.... Its just not right.... SAVE THE 2 STROKES AND GIVE THEM THEIR OWN CLASS TO RACE IN.... BUY A NEW 2 STROKE MX BIKE AND SUPPORT 2 STROKE RACING.... RACE OWN 2 STROKE DUDES AND DONT LET THEM GET YOU DOWN.... James Stewart kicked the 250 4 stroke $% with a 125 2 stroke, so can you....
2 strokes suck down too much gas!!!!!
hey my names ronnie grannan and all u panzies who r hatin on 2 strokes go hug a tree
u can eat my 2 stroke kx 250s dirt
yo wats up im dakota. i ride a two stroke and its great. if you dont like two strokes thats your own problem. so stop bagging on us.
i love 2 strokes so go ^%*& tree if u dont
no 2 Stroke bikes and motors r the best and the fastest banned something else there u idiots!! keep the 2 stroke power around foreever
I WANT MY RZ350
If you want future generations to enjoy riding, get rid of all 2 stroke engines. 4 strokes are better anyway. Listen to the beautiful sound of them. Souds like they have some balls, not like a whiney little bitch.
4-strokes OWN 2-strokes
I want full knowledge of cat convertors for most any old two-stroke bike. Why the public cannot have this information is not apperant to me. I'd pay 500.00 per cat unit for yamaha and kaw bikes.
how much worse is a 2-stroke five hrs. a week vs. a pack a-day cigarette smoker???
2- strokes will always rule the world.
All I can say is.....Banshee.......yessssssss!!! 2 stokes forever good sir!!! It's the Uncle Smoothness!
two stokes do pollute but the snap of the engine outlats all of its cons
4 stroke engines require periodic oil changes. More than half of that used oil ends on landfils ore dumped on somebodies backyard. That alone polutes more than all the smoke from 2 strokes engines combined. New bombardier 2 strokes polute less than most 4 strokes in the market
i think its stupid all though air pullution there funner than heck i foud out if they bann 2 strokes they are leaveing the 85cc and under bikes alone.please email me if u want at zabner11@hotmail.com
2 stroke's got a bad name because they were built cheaply. An 2-stroke with Fuel Injection is hard to beat on weight and power
Im gonna miss the ole' two strokes :'( HELL NO TWO STROKES WONT GO...
I think they should do whatever because 2-strokes can't touch or catch 4-strokes these days.
I think they should do whatever because 2-strokes can't touch or catch 4-strokes these days.
4strokes are for the woods not the track! i love both 2 and 4 cycles but i can't stand to see them be banned they are the King of super/motocross! (YZ125)01"
4strokes make more heat 2 strokes run cool. The oil additive can be smokeless and I dont see 2 stroke bikes on the roads every day and I dont see them flying overhead or punching through the ozone to go to space or pumping warm water into lakes and rivers like large power plants do or pumping crap from sewers into lakes and rivers or fling rich people all over the earth like personal jets or spilling large amounts of oil into the ocean like tanker ships or burning a gallon of gas every 5 miles like large rich peoples hummers and SUV's or setting oil fires because America is invading a country that should be to its own or overwelming the USA with many people from other countries or biulding more roads and parking lots to acomidate the growing number of people in the USA. The only thing the 2 stroke is doing is cutting trees to burn because of the over priced gas and to clear land for the many numbers of people coming to the US to live.
Wait until my latest design: 2 stroke + Fuel injection + afterburner
2stoke power to cc ratio will never be overcome by the 4 stroke
^$&#^% 4 strokes
Let me use a damn V4 2-stroke in my project street bike...
New technology needs to be applied to the 2-stroke engines to further progress our sport instead of taking the easy way out and letting a legacy die
when you are to old to hang on, buy a 4 stroke.
2 strokes cant touch 4 strokes?.....HAHAHA u get yourself a 4 joke and i bet a slighty modded banshee spanks it
As long as we have sites like www.2strokesrus.com Will be fine. Long live 2strokes.
2 strokes are very weight and power efficient and don't pollute very much-we need them. engineered to remai up to date for years to come.
I used to ride a four stroke and now I have a yz 125 and I think is is so much better than all of the 250Fs. All of the emissions people need to refigure their thoughts. No one pays attention to all of that polluiion stuff its not like the whole world is going to die because of a fr%*&en dirtbike or 4 wheeler
2 strokes are the best because any more than 2 strokes is a wank ps ktm 380s rule
screw emmissions standards, everyone knows two strokes are better. Now we just need two stoke car engines.
we all love riding them and they give us the thrill of excitement and there vary light
I would not rule-out a new generation of cleaner running two-strokes. Through careful port design and stratefied fuel /air charges like some string trimmer are using or more complex systems like Orbital-Walbro, this is in the realm of possibility.
two strokes rule why would you want to get rid of them they have been so good for so long.I know this and I am 13
I've been riding 2 strokes for 35yrs tried some 4 strokes just ain't the same.still ride the same dirt bike I bought in 1986 a cr125r and you can bet your hiny it's a 2 stroke.When they stop corperate pollution then they can have there say!
I love the smell of Castrol Oil in the morning... It smells like.............VICTORY!!!
THE POWER- THE SOUND- THE SMELL, TWIST AND SHOUT 2 STROKES RULE !!!!!!!!
all the tree hugging,nature valley,bark eating,bicycle short wearing,sierra club granola freaks need 2 get a life!
listen i have a 2 stroke and any law will not keep me off of it
Honda makes a clean-burning two-stroker ("ExUp" I think it's called). Unfortunately, we have a blind ban on two-strokes so we'll never see it here.
Not sure what banning these bikes is going to do. How many 2-stroke banned from state parks will it take to really make a difference? Someone needs to do the math.
most of the places i ride aren't legal anyway so it really won't make a difference
Viva La Two Strokes
Only one manufacturer has the whole range of its outboard engines CARB (California Air Resource Board)3 stars compliant and reiceved the U.S. EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) Clean Air Excellence Award : Evinrude with its ETEC 2 strokes injection engine.!!!
2 stroke 4 life
2 strokes are the fathers of the sport , no dumb tree hugger laws are or will prevent me from riding my 2 stroke baby, RM125!!!
2 strokes are by far the best machines ive ridden ive had a cr 500, 250R, quadracer 500, atk 406 all two strokes. There is nothing bad coming from them that doesnt come from cars. LONG LIVE THE 2 STROKES!!!
four strokes r low roll on power the crf 450 is like an oversized xr 80. four strokes are junk. there aint nuthin like that 2 stroke punch. got a CR 500. twist the throttle and hold on! YEEHAW! by the way, there is no replacement for displacement. Ride on people.
2 storokes are the real dirt bikes
two strokes will never dye theres nothing like em power,smell oh did i say power.
If it was up to me, every engine would be a 2 stroke whether it ran on gas or diesel!
ban derv instead of two strokes
the laws suck but 2 strokes are the best and laws are gonna be broken by me and my friends cuz its 2 strokes all the way
If the bike is over 21 yrs old then it is ok. I just brought in a RZ 500 from Canada and it was an 84 model so we just made the cut.
A little 2 stroke engine compaired to a big diesel engine can't be any worse
Once a 2 stroke is nice and hot it problaby is a lot less abd stuff coming out of it than a 450 4 stroke
I don't care what the government says about 2-strokes but the thing is they will never catch me to give me a ticket
my dt125 will be on the road' what ever the law says
there is no way somone is keeping me off my yz 125!!!
four stokes are cool but they will never be as fast as a two stroke two strokes for life
As much pollution thats around busses,hoopties Etc a little 2 stroke will not hurt leave us alone and get a life
No they shouldent i have a 4 stroke scooter but like 5 of my friends have 2 strokes and they are just fine
2 stroke is the very best IC engine that will ever be!!! It smokes ,there not that many! Why?
i,ve got a 4 stroke now, but i honestly miss the instant power and the sweet smell of yamalube.
the pathetically small portion of air pollution that 2 stroke OHV's contribute is something that the EPA should not concern themselves with. how about we clean up our coal fired power plants, they contribute 40% of all air pollution! 2 stroke love!
i love 2 stroke and any1 who want to band them should ride 1 and sww wat 1 they like best and if u still want to band them the4n go %$^&$$&
no1 will ever keep me off my yz125!!!!!! and the cops will never catch me to give me a ticket
2 stroke all the way my yz125 can beet any 4stroke 250 any day for the holeshot i ride 125 jr and all the 2 strokes are the winners of every race so go shuv that up ur @$$
4stroke are like tampons all grls have 1
Nothing goes, handles or stops as good as a two stroke.
there is no way thay are keeping om of my quadzilla 500 or even come close to ceatching me anyway so i dont cear what that say !!!!
restoring a tzr 125-i love it and i wont begettin rid of it
Dont bann 2 strokes cause im just about to get mine and 2 strokes rule the trails.
2 strokes rock!!!!...youll never ban them...they whip 4 stroke @$$ neday!!!!!
music to my ears = a kawasaki kh 250 if you remember that bike you are smiling now
they never be able to catch me and im only 14
my gt-80 rocks
massive blue smoke and 2 stroke noiz 4 ever (gets me OFF!!! :)
who ever made comments 50 and 65, right on bros! email this sick toosmoke freak @ n2smoke@pacbell.net
Riding my'TRAIL BOSS' and forging unforgettable memories as those are what has made me keep bikes an ever present element of my life! My quickest ride [acceleration] ever was delivered to me by a Kawasaki 750 triple. Again,never to be forgotten by me. Two strokes eat four's for a snack! A dose of an old RD stoplight ride sounds great! Old school 'instaspeed'! What a RUSH!!! The powers that be need to leave it alone and collect taxes!
!!THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A CR500 BOYS!!!
Montesa 2 strokes are a thing of the past,lets hope Scorpa's are not next.
2 strokes 4 life bitch
no 4 stroke can ever match up to a 2 stroke
its 2 strokes all the way heres my favorite saying ( 2 strokes truck 4 strokes suck)
2strokes the way 2go im not gettin rid of my 85 ....go ahead and try 2 catch me f@76&^ss park rangers
4 strokes need almost twice as many cc's to get the same power as a 2 stroke, so thats just wastin materials for a big girly bike
4 strokes for those who dont feel the need for speed
Its the filthy US government! I was going to buy a moped but now im getting an AK47 !!
2 strokes are the best bikes out there. lets see a 250 2-stroke race with a 250 4-stroke, who will win, yes the 2-stroke
those ba^%*&ds
2 strokes rock! and roll over 4 strokes. I'll never give up my Yamaha '75 DT400 & Honda '78 CR250R. I always have a smile on my face when my little DT400 smokes a big fat harley 4 stroke slob at a light!
No one cares about stupid laws, (I'm a 4 stroke fan myself) but do you really think a governement ban on 2 strokes will stop people from riding them?
I ride a plated KTM 250 EXC "smoker" and love it. I just wish I could get a retofit kit to put Orbital's/ Aprilia's system on it!!! Long live 2 strokes!!
Keeping my 1984 rz350 street bike. Nothing like the smell of 2stroke smoke filling up the garage. If I am not out in 10 minutes, call 911!
4 strokes would make good farm tractors
The Gov't doesn't know %$!!! They are liars and deceivers of the truth!!! Just look at our state of affairs. So much to be done here in America but all of our resouces going to foreigners!! How could the Gov't even be considered in this poll? TZ's rule and would so today if given the chance!!! Look at the lap times of of todays stars vs the stars from the 70's.......especially on a track like Daytona. On a track like Laguna Seca( short and twisty) the 350's would probably run pretty close to the 600's!! Maybe kick their ass! Wake up America from the overdose of propaganda that we are all engulfed in. Hollywood,the media and even our very own Gov't!! They should all be hung for treason!!! They would if this was 1776!! gsxs11
im 16 and i know i wont cater to the 4 strokes.there loud,boaring to ride, and you lose your form(for motocross)2strokes are a much faster and agrresive riding style. everything you want for racing a 2stroke is and everything a 2stroke is a 4stroke is not.
2 strokes are better and louder
2-strokes are *&&$ my kx250f(4-stroke) will leve any 2-stroke 250 for dead any day 2-strokes sound like &$%*& and go li ke ^%*&t they spin to much and lose a lot of power as they get no traction compared to todays (4-stroke) i say ^%$&^ the 2-strokes ride 4 stroke
US Government: You stupid fools make the rules, Try to take our bikes and you'll pay our price.
its happening here to in the uk.nuffin like the smell of bellray eh
2 strokes are form men 4 strokes are for pussys
pick on who really deserves it! we live for our rights to the earth and ALL that comes with it!
their just scared of 2 strokes they dont wont none well kick their tail "WE AINT SKEERED"
4 strokes are way better......for girls
2-strokes are amazing
let people ride what ever they want
4 strokes is to long for me
2 strokes are the best
sure the bike co.like the 4 they cost cost more to ride
two stroke engine are light,simpler: much more of a physical challenge
I think before two-stroke engines are banned, the big trucks carrying supplies should be, and we pollute more in war then we do &&^ around at the local track
2 strokes Sound better
My a100 is awesome so the us gov can lick
they had to double the size in moto gp to get close to a 500cc 2 stroke
why should we band two strokes. what will people race with. they were the first race bikes made. leave them alone tree huggers. if you dont have a bike quit trying to take other peoples away. thats how it should be. eric blazier.
2-strokes are amazing machines, everyone should ride one to see for theirself.
The bloodline, the history, the smell, the powerband, the exhaust note. nothing can replace my love of 2 strokes
2-strokes it's cheaper to build so in the same budget always will have better performance.
i love my kx250 nothing compares to the snap of a 2 stroke
6no two stroks shouldnt be band that is all i want to ride
I believe the 2 stroke should be modified to fuel injection. Why aren't road going 2 strokes up to the standard of marine engines? Motorcycle companies are not developing the 2 stroke motorcycle engine.
4-stroke = torque 2-stroke = lightweight+fast
Save 2 strokes: Pros: Fast, cool and sounds cool. Cons: Stinky, rotten, dirty engines. Not to mention loud! 2 > 4 Go to Bombardier to prove that 2 strokes are better!
i got a 2 stroke and i wouldnt want to have to give it away i love ridin
2 strokes are way better,four storkes sk,they have made all the tracks easyer for the four strokes.
4 strokes are for men 2 strokes are for
yeah man their moist
i love 2-strokes and i hate 4-strokes 2-stroke are faster and way more fun
THEY SHOULD KEEP MAKING TWO STROKES CAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE THEM AND THERES SO MUCH MONEY INVOEVLED WITH IT. IF VECHILES ARE ALOUD TO DRIVE AND LAWNMOWERS ARE ALOUD TO RUN AND BIG STUPID 18 WHEELERS THAT POLLUTE ALOT ARE ALOUD TO RUN THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE ARE TWO STROKE BIKES
4 stroke are for ^%^&
We have no Govt. Only lobbyist who represent the wealthiest and pave the way for self rightous boring people (Peace and quite) to push their agenda on the less fortunate.
y i have an mz es 250 and imi forward to repairing it and returning it to its former glory i live in romania ,sucks but i will work to save some money and to repair it ( my father bought it and now it kind'a ruind so i will repair it ) hello !!
2 strokes hall ares but only when the powerband kicks in they are mad
I love it how 2-strokes have so much power when it hits powerband!
^%&$ the government two stroke is a way of life the ^*%*&s
i love two strokes they are FUN to ride they keep you on your toes part of the twostroke faith
In case the two-strokes meet the environment standards, why not?
2 strokes and 4 strokes rock!
Correctly designed twostrokes use less fuel, less to construct and are better for the environment than fourstrokes when full lifecycle costs are considered.
long live the tz 750
Forest fires do more enviromental damage every year than all internal combustion engines
green gas kicks %ss
I think "banning" anything should be banned.Did you know that 99% of running problems with a two stroke engine can be cured with a new sprk plug ?
Preserve our motorcycling history in all forms.
I wonder what the impact on the environment is due to the space shuttle program as to 2 strokes!
if 4-strokes are so much better then why do they pretty much have to double the cc to have a chance againts the 250 2-stroke? Race a KX500 against a RM450, and see who wins!
Injection technology will save 2-stroke engines and will even make them cleaner than traditional 4-strokes.
2-strokes give you powerband and that makes better accleration
motogp bikes would still be 2 stroke if they had to be 500cc
Im really worried about this now that 2007 is near im just getting old enough to finally buy a stand up jetski and now they may not be making them anymore. You cant use a 4 storke engine in a standup because they are heavy and less responsive we need to come together to save teh 2 strokes and not just hope everyone else does something about this. If we want to keep them we have to act now!
2stoke bike it like a 4 stoke with the same cc plus the turbo. 2 stroke way better, I love 2 stoke
not all of us have the $'s to keep a 4 stroke running, not to mention if it blows up. in the long run, 2-strokes only cost half as much, and there easier to start, and easier to work on
Develope a clean 2 stroke. I believe we can make it as clean or cleaner than the 4 stroke is we consider the life cycle and all asspects of emissions.
why should they be banned i wana ride my bike and since when does the government care about motorbikes only to look good by saying hes saving the atmosphere
I have a honda xr250 and a honda cr250r and my cr hauls twice as hard as the xr.Oh ya the cr is a 2 stroke
i know 2-strokes are way better than four strokes but they take more gas. any body have a sollution for this? write more.
Poorly written legislation (I apologize for the redundancy: the only well-written legislation we've got in the U.S. is over 200 years old!) banning 2-strokes outright will prevent further developments to produce a cleaner 2-stroke. How smart is that?
If all this new hi-tec knowlegde cannot be used to clean-up a high output, low mass, low maintainence, affordable for everyone (promoting economic stabilty) motors, then what is this goverment for the people by the people mumbo jumbo about.
in 2007 diesel engine emissions are going to get tougher thanks to our govt. more and more 4 stroke snowmobiles are replacing 2 stroke sleds and the same goes for marine engines. we must fight to preserve our right to ride our 2 strokes. sure the 4 strokes are better on fuel but you have to crank them twice as fast to make the same power and on top of that they weigh more too. 2 strokes rule
two strokes are way more eficient in making horse power. With so much more horse power to work with,.,why not make 450 2 cycles, that burn cleaner even at the expensive of a little hosepower it would still be lightrev than the 4 cycle and less expensive to ovehaul
The Nannystate hates all motorcycles. If they ban one they will ban all and their propaganda will make you feel good about it. Remember gun control only wanted to ban machine guns........
Leave us the hell alone,we pay for our gas!!!
Unfortunatly its really in the hands of industry to determine development. Once the first e-tech dual sport motorcycle goes into production will determine if we will get them back on the street since the EPA regulates emmissions and not engine design
Four strokes are for sissy girls and guys who cant handel the power of a big bore 2 stroke. Try riding a $%^& 500 instead of there 450.
NO,please the 2-strokes shouldn't be banned.They result in more power than the 4 stoke bikes.M best bike YAMAHA RD 350 also a 2 stroke bike can leave any bike behind.
JUST LET US RIDE
If manafacturers invest in the direct injection 2 stroke technology it'll be the way forward (i believe aprilia are and have a 500cc twin in devolpment that gets 90mpg at a steady 70mph whilst producing 70bhp and running a q/mile in 13.2 seconds - theyre calling them di-tech engines) i for one cant wait!!!! Bring back the powerband!!!!
EPA Tree Hugging Sissies. Oh the smoke is polluting - my a$$. Run a leaner mixture like you should be running - 80:1 with synthetic and voila! no smoke (or as much) and NO you will not blow up yur motor.
i know how to obtain huge power from 2-stroke without special fuels .....
2strokes dnt ban um ya dumb &$^ lol 2strokes wat made motorbikes and 2strokes are koooool and easy 2 tune :D lol
i dont give a ^$%#t if they band them and say i have to stop riding i will ride my 1991 yamaha blaster boared out to .75 over and a pc racing pipe and a keinin carb ill ride that bitch in front of the cops at over 60mph
the damage 2-stoke engines i.e.weed wackers,chainsaws,snowblowers,outboard boat motors and, ATVs; is more than likley to be less than 1 or 2% damage to the air than compared to industy, cars, airplanes and Sadams burning oil fields. this seems to me to be a fine example of big buisness being our government and not the people we have elected. in this age of technology;we have the know how to make an engine run cleaner and more powerfull than ever. 2-strokes pound for pound have the advantage over 4-strokes. less weight and more power and rpm's and to say the least much easyer and cheaper to rebuild. there are alot less parts to break or wearout. the only 2-stroke i can see fading out are boat motors because they put that blue smokey exaust right into the water. other than that there is no reason to stop making them;unless you are another dirty politican with big buisness in your back pocket. sorry for any bad spelling. at this time the polls are leaning toward our favor by 73%. HOPE THIS HAS SOME AFFECT ON THE LIFE OF FUTURE 2-STROKES.
2 Strokes can be the future! They put out more power per cc than 4 strokes, so I believe high tech 2 strokes need to not only be in bikes, ATVs, watercraft, and snowmobiles, but also cars! A smaller displacement 2 stroke car, using the latest technology, could get better mileage than a hybrid 4 cycle or diesel. How about a 2 stroke diesel again? Or a hybrid 2 stroke diesel! (How about 40+ MPG in a Suburban powered by one of these engines!) My guess as to why no one has come out with one yet is quite simple, money. Ford recently put on hold bringing clean diesels to its SUV line, because it would add too much to the price of the vehicle. Eventually, my hope is, that it will be more cost-effective to build these engines for automotive applications in the near future. It can be done in Bombardier's Evinrude and Ski-Doo engines, it can be done anywhere! If and when it becomes cost-effective, we will see a return to motorcycle street applications. I will not rest until I see the return of vehicles like the RZ500, DT400, Honda FL400(Dune Buggy), H2750, 250R and of course the Banshee. Honda had at least been working on the technology. Whether they are actually the first to bring it to market, who knows. But it is inspiring to see the experimental bike, the Honda EXP-2 finish 5th overall at the Grand-Dakar rally, and 1st in the 2 stroke class a few years back. If the technology works, who's to say even if Hoda decides never to pursue the technology, that someone else doesn't pick up on it? We can only hope. Seeing the reemergence of 2 strokes in snowmobiles is encouraging, maybe it won't be too long before we see dirt bikes, and even street bikes with this technology. Dave S.
4 strokes are for lawnmowers
EPA people are $%&^!! I say screw the EPA and keep ridin those 2 strokes.
direct inject two strokes will solve the problem
I think that the AMA started the death of 2 stroke race bikes by giving 4 strokes an unfair displacement advantage...starting with 400cc and finally ending with 450cc, a displacement that the manufacturers could use to get a performance advantage that a 2 stroke 250cc bike could not match. It is not an EPA thing since since race cars, boats and planes are not regulated. The AMA is the reason!! I would wholeheartedly support a sanctioning body that has the ability to come close to rivalling the AMA and eventually making the AMA just a piece of motorcycling history. Thanks, Tony
4 strokes ar for people who cant handle the power of a 2 stroke! you have to be an idiot to talk down on a 2 stroke motor, the advantages are simple, less weight, less moving parts, and the same power on half of the displacement. nothing beats a 250 2 stroke dirt bike hands down. 4 strokes aren't even cool in a go kart! that will be the day when i have to take my bike to the shop because it has all kinds of junk on th ehead that is retarded to tear into. The only 4 stroke i can give props to is honda's f1 v10 that turns 18,000 rpm!
Who wants to ride a flat 4 stroke anyway?
2 strokes are awaseome and I don't care what the hell the goverment says...i will still ride 2 stokes. How can you ban something the government allowed to be legaly sold (and took tax etc for ) in the first place
I want large 2 stroke engines to be street legal again!
Real men ride 2-strokes!!! so don't follow the hype... double the displacement and everyone thinks a four stroke is faster... think again
If Mr. France wants to "save" the Daytona Speedweek then he should consider bringing back the TZ350's and have them go against the 600's!! Bring back the TZ750's with todays tire technology and we'll kick the open class four strokes $^%!! After running into the Evinrude V-Tech infomercial I realized that an RD350 may rise from the ashes! Their motors are over a hundred times cleaner than the four strokes thatwere tested!! The technology is here! If you run out of oil on a four stroke what happens? Everything!! Do the same on a two stroke and it's a simple top end job!! With todays technology in oil and ignition,it would greatly enhance the reemergence of these great bikes from the past. Just imagine what it would be like to have a Banshee powered RD!! Yes I am a Yammy man. That company got the brunt of the political clout of the two stroke naysayers in the late 70's early 80's. Tz 350's with todays tech could probably run pretty close to the four strokes of today,especially on couses like Laguna Seca. Hell,they were running 165mph on the backstraights of Daytona in the mid 70's!!! .............I feel better now.

Where are all the bikes that exist in Japan? XJ1300?XJ400? Have you seen these bikes? Thay are awesome to look at and probably the same to ride! Everything is controlled by people that have an agenda or are on the take or both! And we're just talking bikes here! I love this country but completely disagree with the management! And we the people sit here and do or say NOTHING! Thanks to this website and others like it. We can still enjoy some freedom from the past!! Thanx mike!!
In the Philippines , we have a 2 stroke pollution device that reduce emission of hydrocarbon and carbon monoxide by at least 60&. The technology is US patented and newly modified for our tricycles. From Dave Garcia ( cleanairwatch@yahoo.com) Thanks for the survey
Well I don't really see how they can completly ban 2 stroke tech, cause if you look at it from my point of view loads of gardening equipment, and small vehicles in poorer countries like India where the avg income is around $500 - $1000 and the main type of transport is a moped of some kind, never mid china, japan, ect. you get the gist. Now my own view on a 4stroke is that they are not evil but should not be sold as the answer to emission control the way I see this is that motorcycle manuf. are trying to comply to a regulation of emmissions which is a moving target so they refuse to spend the money on the "clean" 2stroke because they fear that once it is designed and created the powers that be will ammend the regulation and they loose the moola. me I looooooooove my KX250 & KX500 so let me ride damn it.... 2-strokes for life! Long live 2-strokes death to 4-strokes
2 strokes are beast..i got an 05 yz 125 and its great and iv asked people that have 250 4 strokes and they say the 125 2 strokes are more fun and enjoyable to ride. thats what its all about is not fair if 2 stroke will be dissapeared The riding of old and new 2-strokes combined (total annual miles ridden nationwide) no doubt pollute MUCH less than all the diesel school/public buses, 18-wheelers, cargo vans, passenger cars combined. If the gov't is going to regulate pollution from vehicles, they should focus on the source of MASS pollution (including industrial plants), and not the minority!
BLANK al gore!!! Real men ride 2-strokes!!! so don't follow the hype... double the displacement and everyone thinks a four stroke is faster... think again
I OWN 5, THATS RIGHT 5, HONDA AERO 125 SCOOTERS. ANYONE WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THIS SCOOT KNOWS THEY ARE 2 STROKE BIKES AND AS WELL KNOWS EXACTLY HOW WELL THEY PERFORM. I WOULD NOT TRADE ALL 5 OF MY BIKES FOR A TRUCK LOAD OF THE NEWER 4 STROKE SCOOTS!!!! I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIDE A 150CC 4 STROKE SCOOT ONE DAY AND IT DROPPED DOWN TO AROUND 25 ON AN HARD UPHILL CLIMB WITH MY 300LB + OR - A ON IT. I CAN CLIMB ONTO EITHER ONE OF MY 2 STROKE SCOOTS AND TOP THE SAME HILL AT 45 +. AND MIND YOU MY BIKES ARE 25CC LESS IN ENGINE SIZE. SO TO ALL THOSE WHO WISH TO BAN THE 2 STROKE BIKES, YOU WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF AND LEAVE THE REST OF US TO DECIDE FOR OURSELVES!!!! IT IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE, AND GUESS WHAT???? I CHOOSE 2 STROKES!!!!! LEAVE OUR BIKES ALONE!!!!
All but the most recent comments have been moved to the Mikes4bikes.com "Save the 2strokes Page"! Thank you very much for your comments! Mike Harrington

yz250 was my first bike it was the most amazing thing ever! the power the speed the throttle response is amazing nothing els like it! please dont take this beautiful thing away from people! ESPECIALY ME!!!!!
Two strokes are $&*t, the ama is considering letting the 250 two strokes run with the 250 four strokes, little ^&%*s that ride 125 two strokes are *&$& and moaning because they cant keep up with the new fout strokes....well wake the ^&%^*& up, its the sport, if people dont like it, they dont need to be racing.....so get your heads out of your ^*&%*& and quit filling us with your ^%*&, cuz nobody wants to hear it
+ . 4 strokes are turkeys voting for thanks giving buying a crf is doing what honda want you to do i bet no one who rides them can fix them take them back to the shop and pay thats just what they want you all to do more money for Mr Hondas black box it makes me sick.
no of machine can reach to yamaha tzr 2 stroke he have the power of honda cbr 600s
lets just start a petition for injected 2 stroke bikes, convincing a manufacturer rather than changing governments mind might be easier, considering none of the government would empathize with us because they probably dont ride, or ride 4 strokes :)
if it wern't for 2 strokes mx wouldnt be what it is today...stupid $%& $&&& who banned them
A little "venting" from Mark Williams: The Dakar rally has been cancelled due to Al-Queada terrorist threats on the event. The 30 year old annual event starts in Europe and ends on the eastern coastal area of Africa. It involves motorcycles, cars and trucks. The early years were mostly motorcycles. In the old days it was called "Paris to Dakar" and took almost a month to complete. It truly would seperate the men from the boys, or women from girls. I can still recall the early days when BMW was creating an "adventure" market with their boxer twins and would win against all odds. More than the machines, it was the true determination of the riders that created the victories, and the respect of us "wanabees" around the world. I recall in 1984, Gaston Rahier crashed hard less than half way through the event and snapped his collar bone in half. Using sheet metal screws and thin metal plates, they drilled pilot holes into his bones and attached thin plates to secure the two bone halves together. Periodically injecting pain killer in that area, he raced on through weeks of torture to finish 2nd overall. The little 5'4" man was a hero to me and someone I would think about when I was off the bike pushing through the swamps only 50 miles into the Blackwater 100 with the lightning and thunder crashing down, or struggling through case deep mud during a downpour in a southern Ohio enduro. The Dakar rally is run by a French organization, and as such, it doesn't surprise me that they would cave so quickly to any resistance. It has been changed, but some time ago when you googled "French war victories" it would come back "none found, did you mean French war defeats" If you are wondering why you received this, thinking, this doesn't relate to me- Well, it does. The most significant dirt bike race in the world is no more due to radical middle east religion. What is your passion? I'll bet that is on their list of things to end as well. Mark Williams
ng 4 strokes there more powerful there ng not Go 2 STROKE!!!
2 stroke shouldnt be banned + there are way too many to be banned so i dont think this will go throgh
Four strokes have twice the displacment as two stroke just to get the same power. Why would you want that. Heavy peace of crap.
I am glad to see ther is still die hard 2 strokers out there,I am a 2 stroke fanatic long live 2 strokes for ever 4 strokes are for pussies that can not handle raw brute power.I would like to hear from more 2 stroke fans my email is janstapelberg@hotmail.com
My old CR 480 Honda is faster than a four stroke 450 and does not require an expensive rebuild every 30 hours of riding.Ban 4 strokes!
The verification thingie works as good as a four stroke moto crosser.Not.2 strokes are the best choice for moto cross and for that matter all off road riding.1.More power.2.Less weight.3.No expensive rebuilds after 30 hours of riding.What on earth were they thinking?For that matter I want find an old Kawasaki H2 and restore it for the street!
SAVE THE 2 STROKES
Belong to a 2 Stroke riding group in California. We all ride our 2 strokes just about every weekend. Check us out if you live in Califormia. Huge 2 Stroke Show Event coming up in August. 400 plus 2 Strokes last year. See past events for magazine article writeups. Link to Woodley Park info www.2-strokers.com Keep our 2 strokes alive
what is the point of making a bike that wil be banned so you just screw people over with money and the two strokes are alot of fun!!
[IMG]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t252/madcr500/My0CR500/Picture 1295.jpg[/IMG] I Love my two stroke. Nothing else has quite the same bang for your buck. Some of the locals hate it but nobody says anything about it in case i decide to use it more just to annoy them. madcr500@aol.com
They can have my 2-stroke when they pry it from my cold, dead hands! This goes for my guns too! Cars pollute more and kill more, but you don't see them banning cars! B.Caron
2 STROKE WITH NEW TECH...THE NEXT BOOM
H2 Kawasaki triples give me a bner! Check out my video! Smokin Joe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qROwMqCLAw
Someone get these 2-Strokes to run on Soybean oil.
2 strokes are the best bikes ever!!!!They are the bikes that started it all!!!
2 stroke are not yet banned here in Russia! :) Hope this never happens to us!
i love 2-stroke. cuz it so light and powerful then 4-stroke..
4-stroke is to much wright and slow.. I LOVE 2-STROKE! cuz it light and sooo powerful..
"2 Stroke" by RYDE Music Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=echeYDYFhlY
would rather ride a two smoke then a four poke =)
just make it clean...which can be done!!cc for cc 2s makes better power @ lower cost.hope 2 see fuel injected 2strokers en mass on the road soon!!
2 stroke rocks. Any one can compare a 125cc 2 stroke effect on global warming than the 300cc 4 stroke?
Have 04 kx250f great bike also have 02 kx500 holy sh*&^%$^&*&()_(&^%$$#$$%^t its awsome!!!!!!!
Death to 4 strokes!
I HAVE FUN WITH YAMALUBE
Greetings from Sapin
2 strokes rule !!! insane power would p%* over any 4 stroke !!
2 strokes kick a*% domt get rid of them it will just change the face of motorcross think of the juniors and the pepole who only ride 2 stroke its way more fun 0n a two stoke and better on a short circuit track wat abouit the powerban
2 STROKES ARE DIRTY AND LESS ENVIROMENTLY FRIENDLY THAN A 4 STROKE, THEY DONT LAST AS LONG, HAVE NO TORQUE AND WILL ALWAYS LOSE TO A 4 STROKE, HOW MANY 2 STROKES DO YOU SEE IN A PRO MOTOCROSS RACE?? HMMMM
chaeper to race than fourstrokes
first bike was a 81 it250h 2 stroke beautiful and fast no one can beat me, its the most comfortable ride and the powerband is amazing, there is no reason to ban 2 strokes 2 strokes were the best invention
I have a 1972 Suzuki t250j hustler. Its my first motorcycle it has only 2000 miles on it and I love it! Besides you can modify 2 strokes to run 80% cleaner and 50% more fuel efficiant with a direct injection fitting. Google it.
ppl should be able to ride watever they want. 2 strokes are sick. there just more fun. if ya wanna get rid of 2 strokes ya a head
If the govermaent can find a way to make a more less polluting fuel for the two strokes then they shouldnt be banned. Kind of like the biodeisel for diesel engines.
more pollution is caused by factories to produce 4-jokes
I love 2 strokes passionately.
i think that the government show go n get farked. if 2 stokes get banned im gunna rip the crap out of there front lawns!!!!
I had a 03 crf450r and traded straight up for a 03 yz250 with no valve adjusting to have to do and loved every bit of it. All they need to do is make all new 2 strokes fuel injected and the emmissions won't be a problem anymore.
Im saving up for a yz 250 right now. Why becuse it's cheaper and easier to fix. Thank god for co. like yamaha and ktm to keep it going.
Hey guys i just bought a 1986 cr500 what is the gas to oil ratio?
Loss of revenue, jobs, inconvenience for less fortunate riders, and just to please the "whining green-stick" bottom 10 percent!
I love 2 strokes :) Mike in Calif We need to talk to some lawyers and get industry back in California thank you..
Love my CR80
My first bike was an NSR 125. Probably the most fun I had on a little bike.
SX 65 rider here Beat the pants off anyone not on a 85 2stroke
BLANK al gore!!!
The riding of old and new 2-strokes combined (total annual miles ridden nationwide) no doubt pollute MUCH less than all the diesel school/public buses, 18-wheelers, cargo vans, passenger cars combined. If the gov't is going to regulate pollution from vehicles, they should focus on the source of MASS pollution (including industrial plants), and not the minority!
is not fair if 2 stroke will be dissapeared
2 strokes are beast..i got an 05 yz 125 and its great and iv asked people that have 250 4 strokes and they say the 125 2 strokes are more fun and enjoyable to ride. thats what its all about
Long live 2-strokes death to 4-strokes

Triumph, Norton & Bsa will live forever
Bultaco/Sherpa is #1
I agree with the Sherpa T comment. You should include more manufacture's in your poll.
who has a norton 750-850 commando motor for sale
Thanks for the videos Mike.
this 2 stroke ban %$&^%^ along with the government
bikes rule and are so few to cars. worry about cars and let the bikes fly
1 volcano eruption pollutes more than all internel combusiton motors ever produced. ever.
Long Live 2 Strokes... The Govt has bigger fish to fry than banning two strokes. war maybe but that is just me
Government should worry about other stuff and leave us alone.
This country has so many other problems...lets prioritize.
i love to ride and they won't stop me
mabe next theyl ban volcano eruptions, because one eruption pollutes more than man has ever polluted with any engine ever
the 4 stroke is a step backwards for mankind, The DI two stroke is a step foward, plain and simple.
why wont the government just leave us alone whats the big deal with 2-strokes, tractor trailors put out 100 times more polution than 2-strokes and you dont see them trying to get rid of them. i dont know but isn't there something wrong with that picture?
why wont the government just leave us alone whats the big deal with 2-strokes, tractor trailors put out 100 times more polution than 2-strokes and you dont see them trying to get rid of them. i dont know but isn't there something wrong with that picture?
Let anyone hit 7 grand on a stroker and they will love it!
2 strokes rule full stop
Hay Mike give me a call Help on R5 Yam Jim S
lets face it, any rotary engine kicks any reciprocating piston engine's #$% any day
In your poll SAVE THE TWO STROKES,Who are these freaks that vote The gov't knows best? Do they own a TV or read what the gov't is doing to this wonderful place we call The USA. Every day the Gov't is placing more regulations on our every day activities. Do you remember when we could say the pledge in Grammer School? Or when we could Have a Christmas party in school? Wear a seat belt!!!!! Wear a helmet!!!!!! BLA, BLA, BLA, !!!!!
THEY &^$*$*
There is nothing wrong with 2 stroke. Pollution is an issue with every vehicle, not one pertaining to only the 2 strokes. So why should our numbers be controlled?
why the crap should they ban em?!?
too hell with the damd four strokes 2 strokes still rule
Maybe my "girl" friend doesnt care about the production of 2 stroke motorcyles but i happen to cherish my beloved motorcyle and wish a happy ending to our relationship.
100+mph out of a 2stroke 125! enough said
2 strokes kick $#%^!!!!!!!
I will take my kx250 two stroke any day
Kawaskai H2 750 Tripple will still smoke an yam R1 in the quarter. I am working on a billit alum v4 2 stroke that makes extra bluish smoke. I like the smell!
ktm sx125cc can not be not beat the 2 stroke bike better then 4 stroke
2strokes4eva im 15 2strokes are awsome for learning 2 ride
We live in the land of the free, why do the minority dictate what we can, and can't do? I will ride my two strokes until the environazi's pry them from my cold dead hands!
Best type of engine ever. (4 strokes are boring)
2 stroke development is at a much higher stage on outboards, why do we have to put up with old fashioned technology on motorcycle engines?
4 strokes fires once and needs 3 strokes to recover, my 250cc Honda CRM goes like a rocket and has 72,000 k/m on it.
I like two strokes and four strokes but i have more fun on my cr250. it is just funner than four strokes
i have been riding as long as i can remember. i started on a 2-stroke and i'll end on a 2-stroke
i have been ridding bikes my whole life and it has always been a 2 stroke and more people have 2 strokes not 4 strokes so you cant banned them
i've got a KDX 200 and ill race any 4stroke 200 just to proove the 2 stroke power is better I dont see what the problem with having both 2 and 4 stroke bikes in full production... They both have their advantages and we should have the option of what bike we want to ride without the choice being made for us!
2 strokes kick %#$$
Two-Stroke motorcycles are a major part of motorcycle history. It would be a crime to not perserve them. Plus there aren't enough left to make any diference to the enviroment.
i believe that we should have both 2 and 4 strokes they both have there advantages.I currently ride a yz125 and i prefer the feel of a 2 stroke over a four stroke anyday. it's good to have a choice to pick
ok honestly 213 people voted to ban 2 strokes?!?!?!?! Bush gets elected and look what happens national IQ drops sharply.
Intersting enough your webstie has a starfield back ground, we cannot see stars in most places in Asia becasue of 2 stroke motor bikes with no emmision control. I live in Kuala Lumpur and am so sick of the 2 stroke motorbike plumes of blue smoke one perosn getting from point a to b creates that i have started surfing the net for solutions and answers as to why goverments allow this lousy technology to survive. I'm open to hearing your side of the story, school me please.
The big four should spend the money on fuel injection and continue the CR,YZ,RM oh and hey!! bring back the american DT market.
Bring back the DT.
I think that we should keep the 2 strokes they are faster than the fourstrokes... Airplanes and Trains and cars make more pollution then the 2 strokes. I hate the fact that Bush is dropping 2 strokes. I currently ride a KTM 85 SX and its the best bike i have ever had. The thing that im wondering is if they just arent goin to alow them to race or if the factories will still make them but im not sure please tell me if they are gion to cotinue to make them but just no race them or if they will toatally wipe them out...
Some political figure is trying to make a name for himself by destroying the pure excitement that comes from the rush only our 2 strokes offer. Funny how they chose an area that is mostly populate by kids who can't vote against thier self indulgent money hungry political goverment. That is some B.S. about u cant see the stars in asai . plus this isnt about asia this is totoally about the U.S. It isnt the little bike that pollute the air here anyways it the factorys and ships and planes and the big SUV/trucks the pollute the air more then these little bikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yo wew should not band 2 stroke bikes kuss they r fun to rid and it woould tick a lot of people off if they band them soooooo dont band them because i love to rid 2 stroke bikes and i would whont my children to have the fun that i did when i was a kid sooooo plezzzzz dont band them!!!
Keep the 2 strokes there fast and easy to work on
Simpicity and ease of maintenance of two stroke, helps to make motorcycling accessable to many people. I don't think when you consider the tendancy for manufacturers of other types of vehicles to build engines of ever increasing size, that the relatively small number of Two strokes on our roads poses, or will ever pose, much of an enviromental threat. This rubbish,is purely political posturing. Don't forget that air flight is about the fastest growing mode of transport today, proportioonately, and they dump milions of litres of unburnt fuel all over our cities everyday and rarely gets a mention. But then the airlines and the financial institutions behind them have fantastic influence on government thinking (not sure about the word thinking! can that be used in the same sentence as Government?).
I think we should keep the 2 strokes because of how fun they are and also thats what i started on and i want my kids to ride them. We all know that they pollute the air but we dont ride in the places where there is air polution
I can understand governments wanting to be seen as doing the righr thing when it comes to emissions but I'm pretty sure that the amount of polution our 2 strokes give out won't be any where near as high as the amount of polution created when a new bike is actually made. couple this with the drastically reduced polution of modern generation 2 stroke lube oil. The 2 stroke bike has a bad image as it produces visible polution, a bit like diesel motors. This isn't helped by folks running really worn out MZ's that are being lubed by old car engine oil at the wrong mix and pulling gearbox oil through the near non-existant crankshaft oil seals. I say recycle, keep old 2 strokes going.
2 stroke is the best
I think there is more street rods they are excluded and have bigger motors
amsoil 100 to 1 and a little acetone..clean burn lower fuel consumption, no hitec
The few 2-strokes that are left aren't giving that amount of polution. Keep them alive!!
2 strokes my pollute the air but not half as much as everything else does.i vote to keep 2 strokes
Hey thank about the freakin other crap we have it pollutes more then 2 strokes and think of x games nobody's gonna watch it any more this is stupid please don't bann 2 strokes!!!!!!!o by the way this is a stupid idea who's idea was it any ways
keep 2 strokes there way better than 4strokes there is a lot of other stuff the gov.needs to worry about 2 strokes dont pollute the air half as much as volcanoes cars factories and a lot of other stuff.KEEP 2STROKES
keep 2 strokes
this kid derek is stupid he said that he dont care if they ban 2 strokes or not he just thinks its funny cuz all u guys r mad paintballpro0528 everyone should im him and bitch him out
2 strokes are the best for racers
Go the two smokers. You just gotta love that tang tang annoyance factor....
keep 2 strokes. cause four strokes are #%@%
puff a smoke and we are gone,using strawbery two stroke oil ! the ladies love it.
This idea is rediculous. Let me ride my YZ 125, who wants to race and jump 4-strokes? Might as well just race my mother's mini van for $#%^ sake. Stop ruining our fun.
I agree KEEP 2storkes I hate how there trying to sneak 4 strokes in to the motocross, enduro ect I live in Australia and here with our small population of bikers I have notecs many people benign >>converted<< or as I say CONDED in to getting a 4 stroke motocrosser, enduro ect. As for the 2stroke road bikes I can say it was sad how they discontinued such bikes as the Suzuki GT750, RGV250 ect it was also sad to see Suzuki discontinued there 2 stroke cars like the LJ50 though in USA were you live there is only LJ10 and LJ20’s here in Australia there also LJ50’s (later model to the LJ10, 20) that weren’t imported to USA because of your tighter emission regulation that Australia is sadly following …..
youve got bigger fish to fry, go check the pollution on cars, 2-strokes rule!! and there is nothing like the beat of a 2-stoke!!! the sound could put me to sleep every night!!!
Four strokes are good for cutting grass.If I wanted to ride my lawnmower in the woods I would.
Firstly, I am biker, but a thing I know clearly, the 2 strokes are the sportest bikes of the world, the 4 strokes for the others......
anybudy have a kawasaki h2 750
I'm designing a sporty 2STROKE right now, maybe it'll pass the emission regulations and i start producing a small lot... Let's see!
With emerging technologies this point is moot. As far as size to power ratio goes 2stroke is where it's at. ! AN OPEN LETTER PART TWO!

January 31,2005 I would like to thank all of you who added comments to the most recent poll question. I was starting to think that nobody had a opinion one way or the other about this very serious change to the world of motorcycling. We are now less than one year away from the implementation plan of the U.S.A. Environmental Protection Agency that will require manufacturers of motorcycles,small scooters and mopeds to meet strict new emission limits. The plan calls for even more stringent levels by 2010! New motorcycles sold in the USA beginning in 2006 must emit no more than 1.4 grams per kilometer of hydrocarbons(HC) and nitrogen oxides(NOx). Those levels are reduced to .8g/km by 2010. The EPA doesn't mandate how the motorcycle companies will do this. I am guessing we will see more electronic fuel injection,liquid cooling and catalytic converters. Carbon monoxide requirements will remain the same at 12g/km The motorcycle makers will be able to do what the automobile industry does by coming up with a "average" for their model lineup on any given year. This way a cleaner running new bike makes up for a model a company may have in its lineup that pollutes more than the average. The EPA says the new regulations will not affect the aftermarket industry. Be warned that it is already a violation of the clean air act to tamper with pollution control equipment.
This madness is also spreading to the state level. The state of Tennessee is looking into a emission testing law mandating the testing of motorcycles. Many states may follow Tennessee's lead in this matter. This would be a way for many cash starved states to raise more revenue through their state run testing facilities. Remember what pollution control devices did for cars in mid-seventies when they were first implemented. The cars became less powerful,more expensive,harder to work on and less reliable.
WAKE UP PEOPLE! Motorcycles comprise a extremely small percentage of the total pollution being created on this planet. Could sombody please put a catalytic converter on Mt.Saint Helens!. How about emission testing for the jet airliners our govt big wigs fly around on! Why are govt vehicals exempt from emission testing? This is about control and indirect taxation not pollution! Fight to protect motorcycling from these people who are slowly stealing our liberties. Thank you!

The Following is a Email I recieved about "SAVING THE 2 STROKE!"

Hi Mike,
Firstly, I must declare that I own shares in OE(OEC.AX) company that has product targeting your concerns. I'm not a large shareholder, but a committed one. I believe in the technology. So do the "silent ones". If you know who I'm talking about, you'll understand. "They just don't want the story to get out" I've followed this stock for nearly 5 years now, and the truth has been "white-anted" at every turn....once would be ok, but they don't want the story to get out until they are compelled to "pay for it" by using it, in the way of royalties. Increasing royalties & a new CEO have meant customers are "coughing up" for engineering services. Some solace for you, and maybe something that will get your cylinders "fired-up" and telling all your mates!!! 2 Stroke is ALIVE & KICKING!!!!!!!!! (bikes are further down!!) "Direct Injection" of 2 strokes has delivered an outstanding result over the last 5-6 years. "NO SMOKE", and the fuel injection timing is exact and fuel droplets are less than 8 micron, the event being after "all ports"are closed. Although that depends on whether you want a certain ammount of ERG back into the cylinder. Tohatsu report a potential fuel ratio of 400:1, such is the accuracy of the ECM. All calculations by the ECM are done to ensure combustion every time......and this is PR from a licensee.
Mercurymarine makes 115hp to 250hp(6 models, soon to be 8) outboard motors that are CARB rated to meet 2004-6 emissions standards and beyond, and they are 2 strokes with Orbital's "direct injection". Their site, which is very comprehensive.... www.orbeng.com But before you check out these sites, read the email right through, please.....(thanks)......... Tohatsu (Nissanmarine rebadge) engines are 40, 50, 70 90hp, and they intend bringing out 120 + 140hp outboards in the future.....you will like this one!!
It's all about 2 STROKE!!! Link.....NissanMarine.com
Bombardier, a huge US company, use this "clean 2 stroke technology" on 2 of their jetskis and 4 pleasure-boats.............just "search", and you will find it.
Snowmobiles need the "low weight & high power density".....as you can imagine, snow is soft, and a snowmobile can get bogged.......2 stroke has many willing "customers".
This is where it gets interesting...... Right now , Aprilia, Peugeot and Piaggio each use Orbital's DI on some of their 50cc 2 stroke scooters.
THE BEST PART IS!!! Fuel efficiency as good as 4 strokes can achieve!!!!!!! Emissions as good as, if not better than competing 4 strokes!!
The results have been proven for quite some years now...........
The next part could be.........."very interesting"..............
Aprilia tried using Orbital's direct injection on some of their racing bikes............notably the RS250. This was back in 1998. Their riders complained that when they came out of a bend and applied the power, they got thrown, or close to it, so immediate was the power of the 2 stroke. This was reported on the web at the time because they had interviews of their racing team after the event. Any reference was deleted from their site soon after......it was an embarrasment at the time.
Low weight, high power density, simplicity of construction, low production cost, and now competing fuel efficiency and emissions are set to propel 2 stroke back into the "spotlight". The "word" needs to be spread that 2 stroke isn't dead, and they need to listen to consumers.
"Ucal" a carburettor supplier based in India is 25% owned by Mikuni, one of the largest motorbike carby makers and suppliers, has just agreed to use Orbital's DI and have announced a new R&D facility costing several hundred million dollars. All can be verified on the net, from press releases & company reports.
Please post this on any message board you like.......only through word of mouth it will get out. Even the big auto companies, have worked extensively with Orbital on adapting their DI to the car market, using Orbital's "low pressure direct injection".
Finally............to look for the signs....... It's commonly known as "LPDI", "TLDI" or Optimax in the marine sector. "Ditech" or something similar for scooters, which are gaining strong market share.
The "ideal configuration" for any 2 or 4 stroke is for the injector to be sighted at 90 or as close to 90 degrees as possible. When this occurs, and "it has been done"(15 degrees off-set), there occurs "complete burn" which is their lowest starting point(F/E & emissions), but then they have had to deal with the structural integrity of the "head". Having to include an "extra hole for the injector is a "bummer" when it comes to structural integrity of the mass!! This has caused a major roadblock....and I mean major.....they don't like the medicine, so will delay as long as possible while they work out how it will be done. GM has come to the party, and have given a paper(available on Orbital's website).
I could go on and on, but more importantly the "good news" needs spreading, and I can't do it alone. Please help me and many "die-hards" who are also my friends, spread the word.
This unique fuel injection will revolutionise 2 stroke more than 4 stroke.....it levels the playing field!!!
Kind regards, Rob

AN OPEN LETTER!

I began riding motorcycles in the Mid 1970's. The Bikes were Japanese and 2 strokes. Suzuki,Kawasaki and Yamaha all had dirt and street machines in the 2 stroke catagory. Mike, my brother had several trail/street Suzuki TS 125's and Yamaha Dt125's that were a lot of fun and of course 2 stroke.My 1st Bike was a 1974 Suzuki Gt 380 3 cylinder 2 stroke. The 2nd was a Gt 550 3 cylinder 2 stroke. Both seemed reliable,fast and fun. I street raced other bikes in Des Moines,Iowa at the time (mid 70's)with theese machines and I always saw the 4 stroke Honda's or Harley's end up in my Mirror's. I had a ridding Buddy at the time and He had just bought a Yamaha SR500 bike. Beautiful Machine! We would ride around the Downtown loop go to Bars etc. This get's to the point-When we would stop and have a few beers at Sam's Downtown he could never get that thing fired up. With the 4 stroke single,You have to position the piston at the top of the stroke then there is the compression release and a leg numbing hard kick.Maybe the beer didn't help him,but 1 kick on my Suzuki or a push of the button and I was ready to grab gears! I would ussually have anouther beer while he kicked and cussed his new machine.I ussually had to push him to start him.Seemed to me to be a lot of work for a bike with less Horse Power than mine.I fell in Love with the the nice Mid Range power of the 2 stroke as opposed to the low end grunt of a 4 stroke.I enjoyed the sound and even the slight small puff of smoke from the back which reminded me everything was running well. I was Heartbroke when I found out that the new Clean Air Act was going to be the Demise of the 2 stroke Street Bike.I thought a few small motorcycles can't make any difference to this whole planet with it huge jet liners taking off and Factorys belching huge clouds.This is just a bunch of limp wristed Do good'rs that don't want people like me to have a good time on the bike of my choice.Didn' t they know that the 2 stroke has less moving parts and is easier for the public to work on.Didn't they know about the powerband and how much I loved the mid range power. Had they never popped a wheelie or caught air coming over a rise at 80 mph on a country road early in the morning! HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO ME! Now they are TRYING TO DO IT AGAIN! This time the target is all 2 stroke motorcycles.The front lines are the Enduro/trail 2 strokes but they also are trying to Kill the 2 stroke Motorcrosser's and Observed trials machines which are both competition only machines.The bill has already passed,but if enough people complain the EPA can delay or kill it.Do not let this happen! Contact the American Motorcycle Association/Your local dealers and your elected public servants.Start with the EPA! We will all be sorry if this happens. I am not happy about the AMA letting 4 stroke Motorcross 250's compete with 2 stroke 125's and Open Class 4 strokes riding against 250 2 strokes.They are trying to set us up for the kill! This is a way to gradually sneak the whole thing past us! I like to imagine what the 2 stroke Street Bike would be like if the modern technology was applied to the old Machines.I do not want to be wondering what the technolgy of the future could have done for my 2 stroke KTM Motorcrosser. Even if your a 4 stroke fan you should support a persons right to be able to have a choice in the matter. Patrick Harrington

Email: msh62@webtv.net