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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-27-2002 03:42 AM
Not quite, Lugbúrz.
How many times does Balin take the position of look-out or guard? We know that he always did the job, but how many times is it explicitly stated?
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Snowman of Forochel
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posted 05-27-2002 11:58 AM
Hmm. I just finished reading this last week, but I can't seem to remember exactly how many times. Off the top of my head, I would have to say six.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-28-2002 05:46 AM
I do not count that many, but I may have missed some.
Lest this degenerate into guessing (and there aren't all that many numbers below 6 ![[]](wink.gif) ), could you list the occasions, please?
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Thorin
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posted 05-28-2002 12:40 PM
1) Balin notices the trolls' fire.
2) On the eastern slopes of the mountains, Balin was the look-out when Bilbo found them.
3) In Mirkwood, Balin first notices the elven fires. However, he was some ways ahead and may not have been officially on the look-out.
4) Balin watches the sleeping elves when they escape out of the elvenking's palace.
5) Balin, Fili, Kili, and Bilbo scout out Dale. Again, this may not have been an official job of watching.
6) Balin goes with Bilbo into the secret tunnel.
7) Balin alerts the others to the lights of the army in Dale. Again, it doesn't specifically say he was on the look-out.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-28-2002 01:46 PM
I agree with 1), 2), 4) and 6). I had discounted 5) and 7) as not being strong enough. I had completely missed 3), and I suppose that it is arguable. Apart from that, I have one more occasion that you seem to have missed.
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Thorin
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posted 05-28-2002 02:37 PM
Ravenhill perhaps? It says that they all took a turn in watching.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-28-2002 02:43 PM
My version only has All night one of them had watched. This doesn't mean that they all did.
The instance I have is much more explicit and (to my mind) obvious.
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Estel
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posted 05-28-2002 04:33 PM
Off of that pic Laur, I gathered my info. I failed to see the small road next to the water wheel. I thought that the sign mearly told the direction of travle.
Btw I thought looking at the pictures was illegal.
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Bungo
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posted 05-29-2002 01:39 AM
I don't have the book with me, but wasn't it Balin who was watching for Bilbo outside of the Green Dragon on that first Thursday morning?
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Thorin
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posted 05-29-2002 03:32 PM
Curse you Bungo! ![[]](icon15.gif) ![[]](icon52.gif) ![[]](icon25.gif)
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Bungo
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posted 05-29-2002 07:05 PM
I receive that as the highest compliment, my esteemed Thorin. May your silver flow like the Sirion. ![[]](icon39.gif)
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Bungo
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posted 05-29-2002 07:08 PM
Btw, I bow to great dwarf for the next question, (taking his exclamation to mean that I was right about Balin at the Green Dragon) since, If I was right, I would still have only one correct instance alongside of his four, (perhaps five)!
After you, oh tassled one.
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Thorin
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posted 05-30-2002 08:48 AM
No, no, my dear friend Bungo. It seems to be tradition here that, whenever a question requires multiple answers, he or she who correctly answered the last of them got to ask the next question. So I must yield the floor to you.
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Bungo
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posted 05-30-2002 08:41 PM
Alrighty then...
Whether this question will be allowable is perhaps open to debate. I submit it to your combined judgment and shall humbly withdraw it if it does not meet proper criteria. It is in fact a *musnud, but in this case the scenario is not imagined but real, making the answer more arbitrary and not open to our usual subjective possibilities.
In the early 1980's, a corporate self-help book was on the bestsellers list entitled: The Gandalf Principle. As demonstrated in The Hobbit, (and yes, okay, even more often in LoTR), what did Gandalf repeatedly do which is now a recognized technique of effective leadership? In your own words, of course.
Again, if you think this question is invalid, do not hesitate to hammer it. ![[]](icon28.gif)
*a question springing from contrived circumstances outside of the actual text.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-31-2002 01:30 AM
Hammer, hammer, the quest for you
Is promising use in ways anew.
Interesting question. ![[]](icon27.gif)
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Thorin
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posted 05-31-2002 08:49 AM
Bungo, you continue to amaze me. I have no knowledge at all about this book, but could the selective withholding of information have anything to do with it?
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 05-31-2002 09:33 AM
While I don't feel this is a trivia question, and fits more into a serious discussion on the merits of various leadership styles, I believe that Thorin has hit it pretty solidly.
The wizard also shows a number of other leadership traits:
Avoiding becoming too involved with the 'crew.' In The Hobbit, he doesn't always accompany and share in the hardships, but in LOTRs, he, like Alexander the Great, shares in the difficulties.
Praising on a fairly regular basis, albet he also ridicules but more so in LOTR then H.
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Bungo
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posted 05-31-2002 06:40 PM
I'm going to give it to Marcho. I know the question was questionable. The correct
answer, in a nutshell, is: keep leaving. You get things rolling and then you leave.
Then you return sometime later when your presence is most needed, and then you
leave again. This is also a New Testament pattern for bringing the Christian faith
across to other people groups. If you hang around all the time, people depend on you too much and end up copying you. But if people are left on their own, they grow and achieve more on their own, and you just keep returning to offer guidance and the
occasional rescue. Hence, The Gandalf Principle.
Well, that was interesting. Your go, Mr. B.
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Thorin
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posted 06-04-2002 02:59 PM
*bump*
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Bungo
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posted 06-04-2002 10:23 PM
I don't altogether know the meaning of *bump*, but if it has anything to do with Mr. Blackwood taking too long to post a new question, I'll second the motion. *Bump* indeed, to all and sundry, and feel free to ask a new question, anyone. ![[]](smile.gif)
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Thorin
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posted 06-05-2002 09:00 AM
Bungo, I was "bumping" the thread back up in the hopes Mr. Blackwood would notice the thread and remember he was up. Since he is AWOL, I shall ask one.
While travelling in Middle-Earth, you notice a section of ground that has the look of being newly dug up. While investigating, you find a great deal of treasure - goblets, gold plates, jewelry, and all sorts of goodies. You think to yourself, "Well, #1 I need to find someone to tell me what this is worth. Then #2, since I can't exactly buy anything with a gold goblet, I need to find someone to help me turn this treasure into actual money." Who do you contact?
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 06-05-2002 09:17 AM
Personally, I would contact Messrs. Grubb, Grubb, and Bunowes who would sell by auction such items in exchange for a commission. As such, they are likely to have a decent awareness of value. And I am likely to have them dig it up, just in case there is any type of dwarven magic protecting the items!
Sorry about the failure to post a question earlier, frankly, I forgot I was up! And there is the old work thing to contend with.
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Thorin
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posted 06-05-2002 09:31 AM
Mr. Blackwood, you have answered #2. For #1, I was thinking of a different answer.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 06-05-2002 10:27 AM
You can't be serious? You really expect me to go to a dragon???
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Indeed they [dragons] hardly know a good bit of work from a bad, though they usually have a good notion of the current market value;
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Orome
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posted 06-05-2002 10:31 AM
Not to but in but how bout startin a new trivia thread. This one is awful long and it's not the kinda thing we need to archive is it?
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