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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-19-2002 10:27 AM
That was a brilliant question.
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If you were to set out from Bag End and go across The Water, as Bilbo did that fateful Thursday morning, (roughly) which compass direction would you be heading in? Answer from The Hobbit, please.
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Estel
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posted 05-19-2002 05:28 PM
I always seem to miss those key phrases. Only that one was rather large.
Since Dale is the wonder of the North, that means that they would be heading predominently north.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-20-2002 10:40 AM
I meant the immediate direction you would be taking in travelling from Bag End down to The Water, not the eventual direction of their journey, I'm afraid.
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Thorin
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posted 05-20-2002 11:49 AM
Great question, Laur! Here's my attempt at Sherlock Holmesing.
1) We know that Bag End had windows on the left hand side, going in, or the right hand side going out.
2) Describing Bag End, Tolkien states that the windows look over the garden, over the meadows, down to the river.
3) During the music, Tolkien says that: "the dark came into the room from the little window..." Since it was twilight-dusk, I would imagine that the windows faced east, where it would be darker than the setting sun in the west.
So I would imagine that Bilbo roughly turned right out of his door to run down the lane to the Water and would have been running approximately east .
Edited because my idiocy made me type "west."
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-20-2002 01:29 PM
That is a very well reasoned argument, and much more elegant than my solution. Were it not for something more direct which contradicts it, I'd give you the turn.
Edited because of poor spelling.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-20-2002 01:38 PM
I thought "across the water" meant south. There is a reference to the Old Took and his dwellings being across the water.
That is my guess at the approximate direction. Maybe south-east to be more precise.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-20-2002 01:41 PM
Lugbúrz, if there is a reference to the Old Took's dwellings being across the water, and a reference to them being to the South, then your answer will suffice.
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Thorin
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posted 05-22-2002 01:16 PM
Laur, you have me confusticated and flummoxed (in Bilbo's words). To help and / or support Lug, I found:
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...Belladonna Took, one of the three remarkable daughters of the Old Took, head of the hobbits who lived across The Water, the small river that ran at the foot of The Hill.
However, I am at a loss for discovering the direction without cheating and looking at the Shire map in LOTR. Are you asking for something a little off the wall? What about:
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running... down the lane, past the great Mill, across The Water, and then on for a whole mile or more.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-22-2002 01:24 PM
I'm afraid that that doesn't give a direction.
The answer is the sort of thing you might find if you were leafing through the book.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-24-2002 05:20 AM
We are on one of Laur's treasure-hunt yet again. Going by last many questions by him, I should have a good chance at cracking it(I think I've answered his questions ever since I joined). And the pleasure is multipled by the fact that it will most likely be a wonderful question wrapped in his humble style.
Any clue? I don't have my book to 'leaf' through. ![[]](frown.gif)
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-24-2002 05:22 AM
Then get it - that was the clue.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-24-2002 05:42 AM
Get it: as in get the clue or get the book.
The former may be due to my dimness, but the latter is quite impossible. ![[]](icon8.gif) I do not think that comment was in good taste. Hope the GCSEs... oh forget it, you poor exam-writing, school-going...
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-24-2002 03:06 PM
I'm afraid that you will probably find the question very hard to answer unless you have an incredible memory or a copy of the book.
Anyway - I did GCSEs last year.
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Estel
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posted 05-24-2002 03:22 PM
It just so happens that I have a somewhat illustrated version of the Hobbit. The map in my book doesn't have Hobbiton on but it does have the direction of Rivendel. Which is North East of the Shire. Therfor my answer would be East.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-24-2002 03:24 PM
That copy of The Hobbit sounds as if it might be useful for this question, but not in the manner you propose.
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Bungo
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posted 05-25-2002 03:37 AM
Great question, Laurenendôrian. I've been leafing backward and forward, north and south, and I'm lost. I await those greater minds to solve it.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 05-25-2002 07:40 AM
Well, I'm flummoxed! I say it is South, and here is the reason:
Tolkien has illustrated the Hill. Based on the following assumptions:
1) The picture is springtime - supported by flowering trees and the gardens ready for planting, but not lush.
2) It is morning. Length of the shadows supports about a 9:00 o'clock in the morning time frame. The impression is much more of the start of day then approaching evening.
3) Northern Hemisphere - The fact that it is Spring time would mean the sun would be a touch southerly.
Based on that, the road runs North South and the picture is painted looking North, straight at Bag End.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-25-2002 01:50 PM
Brilliant deduction.
I came to the same answer from the same picture, but in a radically different way. Perhaps you'd care to look in a little more detail at the picture.
At any rate, the floor is yours
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 05-25-2002 03:19 PM
![[]](icon46.gif) Duh! How in the world did I miss that? I guess I never considered the fact that there might actually be an answer in writing, in the picture! Sure enough, in black in white, the final confirmation of what I concluded through a large series of assumptions.
If it'd been a snake, it would have bit me!
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 05-25-2002 03:44 PM
Okay, let's be civil about this whole thing and discuss points of etiquette.
How often are manners discussed? Not how many times is the word used, but how many situations are they discussed? I have four very specific scenarios.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-25-2002 05:00 PM
Firstly there's the scene with the dwarves turning up on Bilbo's door. Then there's the bit where Gandalf knows how to be polite to the eagles. I think that Gandalf tells the others that they have to be polite to Beorn. The King of the Wood-Elves criticises Thorin for his manners. Finally, Smaug comments on Bilbo's conversation: "You have nice manners for a liar and a thief."
I'm not entirely sure what it is that you mean by your explanation of what you are looking for.
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Thranduil
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posted 05-25-2002 05:11 PM
How about when Gandalf is mocking Bilbo's use of "Good Morning" when they first meet, does that count?
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 05-25-2002 06:31 PM
Those are the five (I forget to count one!) that I had. Given the extreme lack of manners one encounters in youngsters these days, I found it amusing that even in something like the hobbit they are discussed and elaborated on. Your go!
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-27-2002 01:47 AM
Laur: Was this question formed while you were leafing through the deluxe edition? ![[]](wink.gif)
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