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Topic: Trivia(Archive1)
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Bungo
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posted 04-27-2002 06:21 AM
I can't find anything, Marcho. You've got me stymied. ![[]](icon54.gif)
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 04-27-2002 01:58 PM
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The place was full of goblins running about, and the poor little hobbit dodged this way and that, was knocked over by a goblin who could not make out what he had bumped into, scrambled away on all fours, slipped between the legs of the captain just in time, got up, and ran for the door.
To be able to slip between someone's legs on all fours, without getting caught, I'd say that person has to be a couple of feet taller than you. I figure the bigger ones, like the captain, are clearly over five feet. If you crawl through my legs, and I feel it, I'm going to clamp my legs together pretty fast, even if I can't see you! My concept of the goblins/orcs has always been a bit shorter than humans, taller than hobbits and slightly taller than dwarves.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 04-27-2002 02:02 PM
An excellent question. A pity that the rest of us were not up to the challenge.
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Nimruzir
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posted 04-27-2002 02:47 PM
Bungo, consider this also:
"A bit low for goblins, at least for the big ones," thought Bilbo, not knowing that even the big ones, the orcs of the mountains, go along at a great speed stooping low with their hands almost on the ground."
Bilbo identifies at least two different sizes for goblins, where he calls the bigger ones ORCS.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 04-27-2002 03:20 PM
Not exactly; Tolkien calls the bigger ones orcs. I don't see any indication that Bilbo knew the difference.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 04-28-2002 05:51 PM
So who is up next?
*Waits impatiently*
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 04-29-2002 01:14 PM
Let's try this:
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A short while ago I set a question asking for evidence that dwarves live longer than elves. There is another property which elves get the best of in LR, but which it could be argued from The Hobbit belongs to a different race. What is it?
Of course, this is rather open ended, but that means that there's more scope for an unexpected (yet correct) answer... ![[]](icon24.gif)
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Bungo
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posted 04-30-2002 02:45 AM
Very tough question, my friend. I'll get someone working on it right away. ![[]](icon39.gif)
p.s. As I write, there are currently 27 guests logged in at Minas Tirith! What's that about??
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Lugbúrz
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posted 04-30-2002 06:55 AM
From the Lord of the Rings it would appear that the elves were the closest to animals and could communicate with them the best.
From the Hobbit that award would surely go to Beorn.
Cigar?
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Thorin
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posted 04-30-2002 10:01 AM
What about walking silently through woods and fields? In LOTR the elves are the masters, but in the Hobbit it states in several places about how hobbits are the best at moving quietly.
P.S. Bungo, the word probably got out that you were on the site, so everyone quickly logged on to see what brilliance you were posting this time! ![[]](wink.gif)
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 04-30-2002 12:00 PM
Both reasonable guesses, but I think that it is reasonable to say that the example I have in mind is more clear-cut.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 04-30-2002 07:35 PM
Another try: do you allude to Bard and his Black Arrow? Elves are regarded as the best with the bow.
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Thorin
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posted 05-01-2002 08:55 AM
I have to take another swing too. What about eyesight? The Eagles of the Hobbit had some pretty impressive long-distance vision.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-01-2002 11:40 AM
Thorin is thinking along lines closest to mine. However, I can think of no time in LR when the eyesight of eagles is compared to that of elves.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-01-2002 11:59 AM
Now I dunno, but if it's eyesight, are you perhaps referring to Bilbo being the one with the sharpest vision?
And elves do see better than hobbits in LR.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-01-2002, 12:18 PM
Lugbúrz, you have the solution that I was looking for. Would you care to back it up with any quotes?
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-01-2002 12:28 PM
No. ![[]](icon28.gif)
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"The Eagles! The Eagles!" he shouted. "The Eagles are coming!"
Bilbo's eyes were seldom wrong. The eagles were coming down the wind, line after line, in such a host as must have gathered from all the eyries of the North.
"The Eagles! the Eagles!" Bilbo cried, dancing and waving his arms. If the elves could not see him they could hear him. Soon they too took up the cry, and it echoed across the valley. Many wondering eyes looked up, though as yet nothing could be seen except from the southern shoulders of the Mountain.
This quote makes your question very strong, unlike how you made it out to sound.
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-01-2002 01:05 PM
It makes it fairly strong, but in light of what we know from LR, it could be argued that those that looked up were men and dwarves; not elves. I suppose that it is strengthened by the fact that he chose to position himself amongst the elves.
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Marcho Blackwood, MSS
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posted 05-01-2002 10:15 PM
Wow! Excellent question!
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-02-2002 02:26 AM
A very good question indeed. I would say much stronger than the dwarf-connection, which was more of a figurative simili.
I am working on a new question. ![[]](icon22.gif)
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-02-2002 07:42 PM
Portending the future in subtle ways was one of many attributes to the Professor's genius in creating an epic or a world of this size, and yet without contradictions.
But, just to highlight that this may not always have been his intent(predicting the correct outcome, that is)...
Where could one find many wrong predictions about events yet to pass?
And by predictions, I allude to these subtle methods of doing so.
List all these events too.
In addition to the above, any further confusing subtleties are also welcome. ![[]](icon41.gif)
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The Laurenendôrian
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posted 05-03-2002 12:52 PM
There is of course Elrond's prediction that Sauron will not be banished for many ages (but I think that I have used that as trivia before).
I look forward to hearing the less obvious ones.
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Lugbúrz
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posted 05-03-2002 03:16 PM
I was looking for one place in the book where you could find a whole lot of them. And the events I refer to happen during the course of the Quest itself and are not "big" events in the scheme of things. Of course if they did occur, then...
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The Mighty Musnud
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posted 05-06-2002 08:25 AM
Did it occur during Bilbo and Gandalf's return to the Shire?
Oh, and by the way, Happy Birthday, Lugburz!
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Thorin
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posted 05-06-2002 09:35 AM
Here's an idea. When the party was up in the Misty Mountains during the storm, Thorin predicts that they will be blown off, drowned, struck by lightning, and / or kicked by a giant. He of course was rather depressed about their predicament. Later in the cave, they all predicted what they were going to do with their share of Smaug's treasure. At this point they were all rather happy. Of course, they weren't blown off or drowned, and some of them (Thorin, Fili, and Kili, for instance) never got to use any of the treasure.
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